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WarGrowlmon makes sense in context: Takato (the Main Character of Digimon Tamers) is a big fan of Digimon Adventures 1 and 2 and literally created Guilmon and its first two evolutions based on Agumon and its first two evolutions. That's why WarGrowlmon looks as it does, because Takato (a kid) was creating an "improved" version of MetalGreymon.
@@KingofKnights1401 And the fact that Takato designed them and also that he's a fan of Adventure. So being based on the Agumon line is not that big of an assumption to make.
Worth noting that Pokemon's 'Double Edge' is called "Life Risking Tackle" in Japanese, but Digimon's Double Edge is the same in Japanese. So, despite the English dubs sharing a name, they're named differently in the source material.
@@TheSeeingman pretty much, yeah. Double Edge in Pokemon's localization is for Double Edged Sword, an attack that harms the target and the attacker. For Digimon, it's two blades. They're extremely different.
Yeah but since Pokemon has a move called Double Edge it owns that phrase, get the hell out of here old phrase “Double edged sword” also Roy and Chrom you have to change the name of your Double Edge Dance side special because Double Edge is a Pokemon move. To be clear this is a very enjoyable video but that is definitely the silliest name criticism.
@@blackcenturyking106 I still prefer the Old Line... this new one is cool, but... not Beelzemon Cool. Of course, I never really liked the Guilmon line(except the oft mispronounced Megidramon... which they indeed mispronounced here. Watch the anime, it's MEH-GHI-DRA-MON... Like Godzilla Foe King Ghidora, which has a silent o. MEGADRAMON Is a completely different Digimon)... I mean, nothing AGAINST The lines, but... I much prefer Certain other Digimon... heck, one line in that series only has a SINGLE Bad design,("cough" Taomon "Cough Cough") and even IT wasn't THAT bad... they DID ruin Terriermon though. I LIKED Terriermon... until Tamers... talk about a tamers mon that needs alternate lines...(Megagargomon is BAD. And Tamers Rapidmon is LAME Compared to Adventure 02 Rapidmon.) But yeah, Impmon is cool... but it's not the only Digimon that ws robbed of its top spot... Apparently, there was a Scrapped Digimon adventure 02 Plotline involving Dragomon, the Dark Ocean, Kari, and a group of Dark Digidestined(who were manipulated) With Evil Versions of the 01 groups Digimon(Black Agumon, black Gatomon, Black Gabumon, Arurumon, Tsukaimon, Etc...) And a group of Dark Digieggs, used to Blackarmor Digivolve into powerful Alternative Forms of the 02 Armor forms(except Pegasusmon and Nefertimon, for obvious reasons)... Elements of this plot were later reused for Tri, and we never got even concept art for the supposed final Villain, Apocalymon:Released Mode. (Literally the leftover will and data of Apocalymon, absorbed into the Body of the defeated Dragomon)... Which leaves the Question: WTF does Apocalymon look like released from the Prisonhedron-Thing? A question I still wonder to this day. (To make matters worse, the long ago leaked info was on a Site that no longer exists, and the series writers completely deny such a thing ever existed... despite the setup IN 02...)
I like to imagine HeavyMetaldramon performs Black Sabbath by folding it's wings in front of it and just raking it's claws across the guitars as they flap open, like a violent guitar riff.
Also don’t the necks of the guitars look like swords? I bet there will be a move that eventually has them being used as swords before returning to the wings.
The actual reason in universe for Impmon to get the dinosaur/dragon line is due to a mysterious bug, because Impmon's partner had a Beelzebumon deck that bugged out and became a Heavymetaldramon Deck
@@kiwi_arms Megadramon is from one of the first series of v-pets and megidramon is from tamers... So yeah not that long in real life terms compared to how long it's been since... which makes me feel old lol.
"Tears apart a foe with its claws, which have been sharpened by sound-induced vibrations" Tyler: i don't really know if the science behind that is SOUND that unintentional pun got a hearty laugh out of me also think Ampdramon would've been a better name for Loudmon
I haven’t read the Liberator novel, but Impmon’s partner’s deck type is Dark Dragon Discord so I feel like his new evolutions could be influenced by Yuuki’s deck if that’s the case.
@@gekikudo Ah, okay. So how did the change happen? Sounds like she already had Impmon in her deck before, but was it a situation like Pteromon changing Shoto’s deck?
@@Animemus TLDR: Impmon was already her partner, but she used a beelzemon deck. She randomly unlocked an effect on her tamer card that works with dark dragon/evil dragon, after which she changed her deck. We do not know what caused her to suddenly get an effect that works with dark dragon/evil dragon.
Probably the reason the oranger Growlmon is less detailed and a different style is likely as it's the anime design, so simpler to animate and a bit friendlier as a protagonist partner.
I'm pretty sure the less detailed art they were using was also from Survive or one of the newer mobile games, both of which gave all the Digis in them brand new art.
@@eddmario Its from Digimon New Century, a chinese mobile game, they have been doing this with a lot of old Digimon, simplyfiying the designs and a lot of times not making them accurate to the official
Heavymetaldramon is the perfect distillation of Digimon Design in both appearance and naming XD Kyle has it exactly right, it's just 'Heavy metal dra-mon', but it's also the perfect digimon naming tradition. 'Heavy' and 'Metal-dramon'. And the guitar wings are just obviously required XD
I could have sworn that Black Sabbath was an attack from Mephistomon, so I checked, and it IS. Mephistomon basically preys for someone to die and then they will. The fact they reused the name for a completely different attack is honestly my biggest issue with the new line.
Dunno if it's mentioned in the video (haven't reached that part yet) but Punkmon's brass knuckles say "PUNK" on them, and the chest icon is the DigiCode for A turned into the anarchy symbol
Growmon is still pronounced like growl, just without the l at the end. And the reason Guilmon's line has so many moves is because it's been in a lot of video games and stuff; each form still has like, two MAIN moves. Oh and the assault balancer is the beyblade ripcord you guys hated
Specifically, the Digimon that have been in the fighting games got a lot of extra moves in those. And like I said in my other comment on this, I'm pretty sure they added the "l" into the English name specifically so people wouldn't mispronounce it like the word "grow".
Just two facts to you guys: The reason that the art for growlmon is so smooth in one of the versions is because that one is the anime version, made that way to facilitate the animation. Assault Balancer is the long cable in Megalogrowlmon back. Don't ask me what exactly it's use beside the attack since i actually never stopped to search it lol
For anyone watching the video, Guilmon line is basically Takato's (Tamers anime MC) OC version of Agumon but better. Why? Because in Tamers, Adventure series is literally just a franchise from anime to old card game. Guilmon's final evolution line species is literally parts of two different OP digimon's group, one is The Royal Knights and the other is The Four Great Dragon...
14:19 Here we have Mitch reconsidering his opinion on the franchise. 30:14 Copyright’s a little different in Japan. It’s how JoJo gets away with all of those music references. Heck, one Super Sentai series, Goseiger, used movie references for almost every single enemy the rangers fought.
A lot of people have already mentioned it, but I will too! (why, because why not) The reason that this Digivolution line is based on the Guilmon line is a reference to the fact Impmon was supposed to be Takato's partner Digimon. But this was later changed to Guilmon. Also, too be fair about 'Double Edge', in Japanese the Pokemon move 'Double Edge' is written "すてみタックル" which directly translates to "Life-Risking Tackle". While the Wargrowlmon's attack is written in Katakana as 'ダブルエッジ" and translates directly to "Double Edge", unlike the Pokemon move.
I’m sorry but I cannot take any criticism on digimon names from Pokémon fans when you have a Pokémon calles KlinKlang and another called Slowbro. Great vid by the way
30:34 considering that sound can be used to sterilize medical instruments and alter the patterns of growing crystals (water and mineral), its not too farfetched. also the megado bit was quite entertaining
The literal reason as to why the new Impmon digivolution line looks very similar to Guilmon's is because, inicially, Impmon was supposed to be the original partner of Takato's but the producers or the director wanted the main character's partner digimon to look similar to agumon
I literally predicted before the names released that heavymetaldramon would be named exactly what it was and it's a point of great pride for me as a mega digimon dork
The new Impmon line is in reference to the fact that Impmon was originally planned to be Takato's partner before Guilmon was chosen/developed into that position.
Nimrod Megiddos greatest achievement is having his first named used ironically on elmer fudd which in a double dose of irony caused people to associate the Name Nimrod with being stupid
Ok but thw bit of "the final battle between good and evil armageddon" is realy funny cause Megidramon is PHYSICALLY armageddon, his x form is defined to be "the greatest sin of the x-antibody" and literally him existing completes the warning of the digital hazard (the symbol in all of guilmon's line) since he eradicates all of existance, and the worse part is that that's not even his true form, the true form (which would be chaosgallantmon x, which does not exist) only can be seen if you give up all hope in living, which means that in whichever universe he appeared, no person was willing to give up their hope, which just sounds SO EPIC
Yes! A two for one special! I've been waiting for this! Also, leviathan does exist in the *extended* digimon universe. It's just an ai that wants to take over the consciousness of humanity and stuff.
Hey, Black Sabbath and especially Tony Iommi's guitar is very heavy. They were just recording on really old equipment in the 70s, so it sounds thinner on their earlier albums. Basically all modern heavy metal has its roots in Black Sabbath.
The Assault Balancer is the dangling metal chord on MegaloGrowmon, which can move, holds the Digimon in place when it shoots, and is sharp. It's referenced later as the source of Dukemon's ponytail design.
When I hear “Dino Kick” it reminds me of these dinosaur toys I had as a child that would connect the foot to this thing that can rotate them and make them fight, until the loser is jettisoned by a hit to the weak point, which I think was the gored part of its side, and they mentioned a dino kick on the box or something like that. Loudmon’s name reminds me of Luna Loud from the Loud house who is also a purple punk rock character and I think would pair nicely with the line. Pronouncing Megidramon as “Megadramon” is throwing me off, most people usually pronounced it with a hard “Gi” or “ghi” rather than a “guh” and at the risk of ruining any potential quizzes, there’s also already a Digimon that’s actually called “Megadramon”
I'm stealing that pick up line. That was incredible, I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. I only just realized how much Megidramon and Gallantmon share design elements and Megidramon is one of my favorite digimon period. Does Impmon's new Mega look a lot like it was designed off Megidramon X over standard Megidramon to anyone else? Big fan.
*35:38* to add to that, the dark evolution happened in guilmon's case because Leomon was killed by beelzemon, so it can easily be chalked up to rage and grief And for the sake of giving yall stuff to think about, Lopmon in Hurricane touchdown evolved into Wendimon/Wendigomon out of pure loneliness and isolation, and in adventure 2020, metalgreymon alteros mode was in the process of evolving into machinedramon/mugendramon because donedevimon devoured taichi. either way, i figured some extra context in that regard would help, to show that it isnt always because of forced evolution. (Interestingly, the only dark evolution that didnt become a berserker was gulusgammamon, and even became a recurring antagonist)
The funniest thing is that this is Impmon's third evolution line, it also has a fairly recent one in the Chinese gacha game New Century. Although with the fact the names and designs are based on very Chinese things, probably wouldn't make for a good quiz The line being Impmon > Lianpumon > Xingtiangmon > Dijiangmon. It's incredibly Digimon with how there's little aesthetic cohesion, but I kind of adore it because of that, and the final form is so edgy.
The thing that bothers me more than the beyblade cord (that i see as some type of ammo strip) in wargrowlmon are it's incomprehensibly thick legs in it's official artwork
I am not the biggest fan of the new Impmon line but I understand the reason they designed it, but Megidramon is one of my favourite apocalypse inducing monsters in fiction so getting another design inspired by it makes me very happy. It is rather weird that we have Agumon line which heavily inspired Guilmon line and now Guilmon line inspired another line for Impmon.
Ah sweet 50 minutes. Hell yeah! Also, y'all should do an episode for the Ghost Game squad. Edit: this video is a good demonstration of how a lot of Digimon designs are vastly improved when you know what it's referencing/based on. It might be good going forward to write down what each mon's design/name is based on in future episodes
One thing I love about Punkmon is the knuckledusters that in backwards digi code spell knup so when it punches something with them it will imprint in digicode the word Punk which is just well done and super nerdy Also loud mons tire track looking arms are actually guitar pedals which is a fun switch from the arm blades To answer your guys question about the assault balancer that's the long weird metal spike cord thing hanging out of wargrowlmons back. I don't have any concrete proof of it but I always thought it seemed like a weird reference to Omega Red from marvel comics.
fun fact about Black Sabbath being an attack name for HeavyMetaldramon, Black Sabbath is often considered to have released the first heavy metal album, so it actually fits
Growlmon's less detailed second render was likely based on the Tamers anime. That removed details to make it easier to animate, and to emphasize that anime Guilmon's innocent personality is still in this two-story tall frame. Early Digimon Tamers does some interesting stuff with the first Digivolutions. That's what you get when you give a whole season to the writer that decided the Cthulhu mythos was canon in Digimon. Wild that they gave him the reins even after immediately retconning that.
The difference between Megiddo Flame and Megido bite is probably a misspelling on Bandai's part, not the wiki's, but the Wiki is stuck using that because that's the only official spelling they have.
Straight up thought Magadrimon has a giant elephant trunk PP before parsing it was a tail...part. Also god thats not a car -_-;; RIP Kyle, at least the chammel will evilve and change
Megidramon is pronounced (Meh-Gee-Dramon) not "Mega-dramon." In Japanese Ga and Gi are two different characters. It does lead to a lot of name similarities at times in English, like Megadramon and Megidramon, the distinction is more clear in Japanese. Another bad case of this is DORUguremon being translated as DORUGreymon(and having to be clarified as NOT a Greymon on every TCG card targeting Greymons). Love tbis episode and comparing both lines. Very fun and I never thought of WarGrowlmon as a car but I like the idea, it's funny.
Black Sabbath is a good attack name , yes it's the name of a metal band but it's for a Digimon named Heavymetaldramon that is influenced by Megidramon (which is usually pronounced as Megēēdramon) which is based off Armageddon in Christianity. And Black Sabbath is like a Black Sabbath, which Sabbath is supposed a day of the Lord and it being Black so to speak is no goods.
Yeah, the runes in Growmon are meant to be there, the reason why it's not in the new one is because it's based on the Toei version of the design, which is meant to be more "animation friendly" so it has fewer details. Also, the name in japanese is still pronounced "Growl" because it's meant to be a shortned version of the word. It has to do with how Growl is written/pronounced in japanese, which would be "Gurauru" (グラウル). For comparison, Grow would be "Gurou" (グロウ). And the reason why some moves have multiple names is because they come from the english dub, which is not know for being consistent. Not only the moves names keep changing every game/anime, some Digimon have more two or 3 names in the dub too. Check out WarGreymon's page in the wiki, there's one or two moves with 6 dub names in it.
And also, pretty much like most of the Pokémon moves names, they're don't have the same name in Japan. It's like when Pokémon introduced Mega Evolution and people made the connection to Digimon because of the name, but Mega isn't the name of the Evolution Level in Japan.
Megiddo Flame and Megido Bite are different because Megido Bite is a named attack that's not on Megidramon's reference book entry but instead it's from Digimon Masters, which is a Korean game not directly linked with the actual franchise itself that spells certain things differently and is not exactly consistent with Digimon stuff, let alone its lore. So this is literally just language barrier problems. Hope this cleared up some things cause Megidramon is awesome to me and I love it.
@@TheTakato122 Well just cause everything is canon it don't mean it's like super in sync with the rest of thr franchise itself. Masters just kinda does whatever it wants to this day, which is very old school Digimon stuff tbh.
Also if I had to guess they probably spell Megido with one d while translated in an attempt to avoid referencing Christian concepts in the children's show...where in the previous seasons a villain was a Devil and a hero was an Angel, but whatever, kids localization is fucking stupid.
Kekekeke If ya'll reading this... THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN HAS CUT THINGS WITH SOUND IN THEIR LAB... WOOOHOOO!!! On a more serious note, if Nico and Kyle are interested in the reason for the randomness of the design, have them read the WarGrowlmon section. Kekekekeke, Ah more Digimon Liberator shiz! I wonder if the modern style of Digimon suits you guys more than the older ones you have seen. A lot of older Digimon were usually enemies or monsters of the week, but kids found them cool and every Digimon could potentially be someone’s partner, so when you see them fit into a line kinda strangely, keeping that in mind can help ya folks understand Digimon more as it usually is them slipping them into an existing line as an alternate. Going into lines like this does help you folks, but I do miss when you were tortured by the stupidity of some things like weird recolors and strange one offs. Growlmon - I noted this Digimon last time when talking about Crys Paledramon. I hope ya can see what I am talking about. Paledramon > Crys Paledramon looks more like Guilmon > Growlmon. As with Guilmon, this creature was designed to look like something a child designed as in the anime. (Not sure if Nico or Kyle has any interest in this trivia I throw out). Now, the reason why they have so many moves is because of the fricking video games. You can’t really make an RPG moveset out of the moves they normally have, so generic options are normally added. Dino Kick for instance was a move Growlmon used in a Digimon Fighting Game (Rumble Arena 2). A lot of different names are due to our friend, the spotty dub of Digimon. Note 1: Yeah the old artwork is iconic, but it sometimes looks really rough. I kinda miss that old days since they do kinda remove some of the more monstrous aspects of the Digimon when they modernize the art. Like the odd proportions and freaky teeth were originally part of the appeal of Digimon. And usually they are in COMBAT mode in those pictures. Modern art usually depicts them in a casual pose for reference when other artists are animating/drawing. On an interesting note, the modern image used is for Growlmon in the Gatcha Game Digimon New Century… man didn’t expect them to drop the ball that hard, but I get it. It was designed for a small mobile phone screen, so details wouldn’t be noticed anyway. Punkmon- I don’t have much to say in regards to trivia. It is a punk rock variant of Growlmon. The interesting note on it is that it is so showboaty that if there is no audience, it throws a temper tantrum since it can't get into the groove. Its tail can actually be used as a guitar pick. It scrapes it onto the ground to produce music that it can fight to. All in all, growing on me and I am glad there was a reason other than nostalgia for its design as noted for the others. WarGrowlmon- See… this was interesting. The original name of this guy is Megalo Growlmon in reference to the Megalosaurus and the fact that it grows like 10 times larger. I think Tamers was when they decided to stop translating things as Mega in the names of Digimon due to it being confusing as Mega is a level. It was always supposed to be designed as a kid trying to one up MetalGreymon. The dood is over designed to a fault and that is the point. It has many design aspects to reflect this. That thin tail thing is called an Assault Balancer. Its main purpose is combat related. The design is primarily a head on attacker, so something needed to cover its back. That whip can be controlled to whip and slash at enemies attempting to exploit its vulnerability to back attacks. Now if only they showed that off in other media. The two back things are thrusters that allow it to fly. The mask is supposed to be like a muzzle and is supposed to restrain it in a “Oh my guy is so powerful he needs a limiter” type of way. It is actually surprisingly accurate to what a 10 year old might design. I really love this guy as it was always so goddamn cool as a kid to see it just massacre its opponents in the anime. The 3-D models for it are amazing as it shows how this thing can actually move. It pretty much is a design that is better in motion than as a PNG. A fun thing is to fill out a roster of some home arcade console called Digital Monster Battle Junction (that was only released in Japan) alongside a Yellow Growlmon. Note 2: The name is grow, but it is pronounced like Gurauru… aka Growl. Again, the romanization does make it seem weird, but here is how the language works. Growl is Gu-ra-u-ru. In Japanese, they shortened it to Gu-ra-u-mon. Now, this does work, but Gurau sounds like Growl with a Japanese accent. I am on the fence about who decided not to just just romanize it as Guraumon. Note 3: There is no car influence from what I know of Wargrowlmon. Ya guys just seem to have grasped onto it, but I can see it. Also… again, kid overdesigning his partner due to the “rule of cool”. The mechanical part entirely is cause it was designed to one up MetalGreymon. From the lore aspect, Guilmon, Growlmon and Wargrowlmon are basically “Original Character Do Not Steal” in the form of a Digimon and the final form is the Digital World itself taking those aspects and making an Mega form. Loudmon- Eh on the name too. It adds onto the idea of a musical theme and I do enjoy the design. It takes the purposefully overdesigned Wargrowlmon and makes it somewhat work. Everything that seemed superfluous in the original has a purpose. The aux cords, the speakers, the microphone on his chest. He attacks by singing and using sound waves… which has actually been done in labs in the real world!!! The dood treats all battles as concerts and stops caring about winning, just creating a good show. Megidramon- Sadly… this thing doesn’t show up enough due to what it represents. It is Guilmon when it loses control and becomes the embodiment of the Digital Hazard, a calamity to the entire world. Its existence is destructive, like a Black Hole and as a result, it cannot show up much without literally fucking the world up. The fact that Gallantmon exists means that most Guilmon protagonists will always have a “light form” that it can become. At least they allow us to raise one in many videogames and Vpets, but I want it to show up as part of the Four Great Dragons group as a counterpart to Gallantmon, a calamity held back by 3 holy dragons while Gallantmon is Guilmon rejecting its nature and harnessing its power for good. Strangely enough, it only has 3 moves… but understandable as Gallantmon is more marketable and shows up more. Note 4: The reason why Megiddo Flame and Megido Bite are spelled differently is that one is from Japanese and one is from Korean. A Korean MMO called Digimon Masters Online usually gives Mega Digimon 3 attacks and Megidramon only has 2 normally, so a 3rd was created. That is the only time the move ever showed up and there was a closed Beta in NA that translated it with NO CONSISTENCY and didn’t use a second d. The fact that it was a translation error doesn’t matter as the only OFFICIAL source had it misspelled… yes as a Digimon fan… ughhh. HeavyMetaldramon- I will say… I really like this one. Those guitar wings are chefs kiss in the design for a musical based demon dragon. It is a fucking YuGiOh level of overdesigned, but man it feels like something that could was born from heavy metal music online. Some notes from the bio I found interesting is that is actually has a similar personality to Beelzemon. It seeks strong opponents to fight, but instead of testing its power, it is seeking to one up every performance it makes. And since like his previous forms, he sees battles as a show, he wants to find and stronger and stronger opponents so the heat of battle makes his music better. Note 5: There have been card releases now that might give you a better picture in a dynamic pose. Not too much better, but better than nothing.
The reason why the new impmon evos are similar to guilmon was because for digimon tamers impmon was supposed to be the mc digimon before it got replaced by Guilmon so that's why the new evos look similar to guilmons at least thats what ive heard
