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In 1967 He Predicted What The Vietnam War Would Become On TV. He Was More Right Than Wrong 

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Walter Lippmann was an American journalist, political commentator and public “intellectual”. This recording was made in late 1967 and aired on national television. College students were selected to interview him live on TV. In this discussion, students ask Lippmann what he saw coming with the American involvement in the Vietnam War. His comments on the future from a 1967 perspective are fascinating in light of what we now know occurred between 1967 and the end of the war in 1975.
In this incredible discussion, Lippmann also discusses hippies and drugs, what a good American President needs to do to lead the country, other wars of the 20th century - World War I - World War II, civil rights issues and black power and more.
Who was Walter Lippman?
He was known for his support of progressive causes such as civil rights, social welfare, and international cooperation. Lippmann was also a strong advocate for the American democracy and believed in the importance of a free and independent press as a cornerstone of a healthy democracy.
The Vietnam War was big news at the time and it was uncertain what President Lyndon Johnson was going to do and whether or not he was going to run for president again in 1968. Lippmann was a critic of the conflict and the way it was being prosecuted by the Johnson administration. In his columns and writings, he argued that the war was a mistake and that the United States should find a way to extricate itself from the conflict. He speaks to what he thinks will happen in this video clip.
President Johnson was the primary architect of the US involvement in the Vietnam War. Johnson took office after the assassination of President Kennedy and was initially hesitant to escalate the conflict in Vietnam. However he ultimately decided to commit significant US resources to the war effort and oversaw a significant expansion of US military involvement in Vietnam. Johnson's handling of the war was highly controversial in Americans were debating the rights and wrongs of our involvement daily in every public forum.
I admired Walter Lippman because of his view of the difference between an individual reporter's view of truth and "truth". Though a journalist himself, Lippmann did not assume that news and truth were synonymous. He wrote, “a journalist's version of the truth is subjective and limited to how they construct their reality. The news, therefore, is ‘imperfectly recorded’ and too fragile to bear the charge as ‘an organ of direct democracy."
To Lippmann, democratic ideals had deteriorated in America and that voters were largely ignorant about issues and policies and lacked the competence to participate in public life and cared little for participating in the political process. The basic problem of democracy, he wrote, was the accuracy of news and protection of sources. He argued that distorted information was inherent in the human mind. People make up their minds before they define the facts, while the ideal would be to gather and analyze the facts before reaching conclusions.
By seeing the news first, he argued, it was possible to sanitize polluted information. Lippmann argued that articulating stereotypes subjected the American public to partial truths. Lippmann called the notion of a public who was competent to lead public affairs was a "false ideal." He compared the political savvy of an average man/woman to a theater-goer walking into a play in the middle of the third act and leaving before the last curtain.
Lippmann was also an early influential commentator on mass culture. Lippmann said that mass mankind functioned as a "bewildered herd" who must be governed by "a specialized class whose interests reach beyond the locality." The elite class of intellectuals and experts were to be a machinery of knowledge to circumvent the primary defect of democracy, the impossible ideal of the "omnicompetent citizen".
From the 1930s through the 1950s, Lippmann became even more skeptical of the "guiding" class. In The Public Philosophy (1955) he presented an argument that intellectual elites were undermining the framework of democracy. The book was very poorly received in liberal circles.
Lippmann was also an informal adviser to several presidents. On September 14, 1964, years before Lippmann disagreed with the president on the Vietnam War, President Johnson presented Lippmann with the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
He died in New York City in 1974.
If you found this 1967 program of interest, I would appreciate your clicking the super thanks button below the video screen. Your support will allow me to continue to present extraordinary progress from this era.
Thank you
David Hoffman filmmaker

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@fasilharer1291
@fasilharer1291 Год назад
This man would have made an incredible adviser and saved so many unnecessary bloodshed.
@JR-zm2yu
@JR-zm2yu Год назад
It is for that reason that he would not have been an advisor as ALL wars have been funded on both sides by Vatican etc.... God Bless Humanity when they realize & God Bless all victims of war including all those who served. 💜🙏
@Megaghost_
@Megaghost_ Год назад
25 minutes of people listening to someone talking about important subjects in a polite manner. This would be impossible today, TV time is ruthless as it demands vacuous one liners.
@maximeb190
@maximeb190 6 месяцев назад
Thank god for podcasting!
@unnamedpodcast603
@unnamedpodcast603 5 месяцев назад
If you like Walter Lippman, you'll love Edwards Bernays 😅.
@davidk6269
@davidk6269 Год назад
My lord, it is incredibly gratifying to see wonderfully insightful, open and honest discussion of very deep and contentious issues facing the US society (and indeed the world) being aired on national television. No rancor, tribalism and insults. Just calm, reasoned dialogue and analysis. It deeply saddens me that such discussion is impossible in 2023's degraded version of America. How far we have fallen, to the profound detriment of all.
@dannyherron9455
@dannyherron9455 Год назад
Wow
@anthonyluisi7096
@anthonyluisi7096 6 месяцев назад
I concur
@TheWhiteWolf_bf2lm1
@TheWhiteWolf_bf2lm1 5 месяцев назад
Degraded version of the World
@hazknow12
@hazknow12 Год назад
As a daughter of a 2 tour vietnam veteran who barely survived her upbringing and the combat zone called home(undiagnosed complex PTSD in dad)....the treachery of this conflict exceeded the battle grounds it was waged on by both, time and space.
@arktos298
@arktos298 6 месяцев назад
National Security Order 263.
@Visitor2Earth
@Visitor2Earth Год назад
"WAR IS A RACKET", a book by USMC General Smedley Butler, is a must read for all rational human beings.
@douglasjones2570
@douglasjones2570 6 месяцев назад
Yes!
@bachelorchowTV
@bachelorchowTV 3 месяца назад
I'm reading it now at your suggestion. I haven't disagreed with a single thing said so far.
@IamwhoIam333
@IamwhoIam333 Год назад
I was in 7 grade when this war was going. My brother was 16 year's old and asked my father to allow him to go into the military 🪖 because he wanted to help our country. My father wouldn't do it. Said to my brother that there is no winning in war.
@suzukibn1131
@suzukibn1131 Год назад
No winning THAT war anyway.
@pegschwalbach2500
@pegschwalbach2500 Год назад
@@suzukibn1131 no winning in ANY war.
@tartantod8252
@tartantod8252 Год назад
In 1935, Major General Smedley D. Butler wrote a short essay about the nature of war (all war), titled "War is a Racket". It is available to read online for free. Butler knew the topic well, having spent a career with it, becoming the most decorated military man until Chesty Puller later claimed the title.
@Jamestele1
@Jamestele1 10 месяцев назад
My father was a drop out from a small high school (graduating class of 80). He was working on a ranch, and got in trouble after a fight. The police found a little pot on him and offered him the Army & likely Vietnam vs prison. My grandparents signed him over when he was only 17. He saw such horrible things as a Combat Engineer, leading him to indulge in the nearly pure Heroin in Vietnam. He came back to Colorado, after a year in Leavenworth (drug charges) a changed man. He would disappear for weeks into the hills. He was violent and disturbed. Poor guy - I never met him, as my mother met him whilst he was in Army school at Ft Belvoir for Engineering. He was a Cowboy turned PTSD hippie, with violent "episodes".
@Jamestele1
@Jamestele1 10 месяцев назад
@@pegschwalbach2500 In the long run, war only takes away. We may "win" but you end up with "victorious" PTSD young people, and society having set a low bar for the future. Peace
@lebien4554
@lebien4554 Год назад
Reminder that Ho Chi Minh stayed and worked in the US and France as part of his journey to find a way to liberate Vietnam from the French colonialists. He helped the OSS mission in Vietnam to fight the Japanese during WW2 (Deer Team). He directly referenced the US constitution in the 1945 Vietnamese Declaration of Independence. He was obviously very much inspired by US ideals of decolonization and self-determination (seeing as the US liberated itself from Britain). The turning point came when in 1919, during the Versailles Treaty after WW1, he tried to argue for Vietnamese independence and was rebuked by the Western powers, including US President Woodrow Wilson. It was then that he realized the capitalist West had no intention of following up on their promises of Freedom and Equality, or at least not for people they considered "inferior". After this, he pivoted to Socialism and the USSR, considering it as the only way Vietnam could achieve independence. And the rest was history.
@mikloridden8276
@mikloridden8276 Год назад
Yupp the US was foolish for following what the French desired, such a fumble the US could have influenced them but France wanted it for itself.
@LCTesla
@LCTesla Год назад
Pivoted towards the USSR to achieve independence 200 IQ move
@douglasjones2570
@douglasjones2570 6 месяцев назад
@@LCTesla But they DID achieve independence. Complete and total independence. So what, exactly are you talking about? And yes, there’re capitalist enterprises all over Vietnam today.
@LCTesla
@LCTesla 6 месяцев назад
@@douglasjones2570 the USSR collapsed if you weren't aware. without that development any pandering to their ilk would have backfired in due time. The world averted that fate NO THANKS TO vietnam's submission.
@jad647
@jad647 Год назад
My father was a huge Walter Lippman follower. Every Sunday in our eastern Pa. town he would purchase the N.Y. Times, largely to read a weekly Walter Lippman column. I think this very interview convinced him that this country was taking the wrong stance in Viet Nam. Little did he or his high school 1965 grad know that in 1966 I would be drafted and by 1968 find myself in Viet Nam and in the wasted morass of that war.
@bcarr1122
@bcarr1122 Год назад
What happened to your father---did he survive the war?
@cosmicgregg
@cosmicgregg Год назад
Once again David a needed to hear video. People have such short term memories today, people forget or don't know how similar things have always been. Well done my friend.
@michaelcarbajal.
@michaelcarbajal. Год назад
Get off your moral pedestal buddy
@cosmicgregg
@cosmicgregg Год назад
@@michaelcarbajal. lol don't know what pedestal you're talking about buddy. I'm included in that comment. I'm not special and have to check myself all the time. This why I love David's videos, I usually learn something.
@michaelcarbajal.
@michaelcarbajal. Год назад
@@cosmicgregg sorry man. Wasn’t in the best of moods yesterday
@cosmicgregg
@cosmicgregg Год назад
@@michaelcarbajal. no worries, I've been there lol. Hope you're better off today man
@drewpall2598
@drewpall2598 Год назад
This is a fascinating discussion between Walter Lippmann and the college students. I recall Senator Wayne Morse was one of two who voted against the Tonkin Gulf/Bay resolution which got us involved in the Vietnam conflict. The sad thing about our Vietnam policy is it cost the lives of more than 58,000 U.S. military members and 153,000 were wounded. Great write up in your description David Hoffman.
@gabrieleriva651
@gabrieleriva651 Год назад
Your uploads are always gems!
@AlphaFemmeXtine
@AlphaFemmeXtine Год назад
💯💯 his work is a treasure. I love his videos
@stevehoward3475
@stevehoward3475 Год назад
Thought provoking discussions, thanks for posting this David ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
@jaimejaimeChannel
@jaimejaimeChannel Год назад
Thank you, David. I don't think I've ever read or watched Lippmann - what an amazingly sharp and prescient guy.
@alabama2uz
@alabama2uz Год назад
Great commentary. Thank you, David..
@cherylcallahan5402
@cherylcallahan5402 Год назад
*David Hoffman Vietnam War appreciate your videos Listening 🌟 from Mass USA TYVM 💙 🇺🇸*
@RavenNl403
@RavenNl403 Год назад
I find this very interesting and somewhat educational. Thank you David ❤️
@ADAMSIXTIES
@ADAMSIXTIES Год назад
LBJ gave Walter Lippmann (who coined the term Great Society) the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I just wish he'd listened to him on Vietnam
@silgofak
@silgofak Год назад
Love this, so interesting especially in the context of the World today
@alexmiles40
@alexmiles40 Год назад
I wish people like this were here to help us now. Good post. THX
@ArtbyAtlas
@ArtbyAtlas Год назад
What an insightful conversation from start to finish
@matthewfarmer2520
@matthewfarmer2520 Год назад
You must have a lot of videos on that subject about Vietnam lol thanks for sharing the video Mr. Hoffman film maker 🎥🎞️
@Sudupe16
@Sudupe16 Год назад
12:26 This is a good reminder that people often think they're living through a terrible time in history. But now when we look at 1967 it seems just like any other year.
@russellgover8899
@russellgover8899 Год назад
Every point discussed in 1967, correlates exactly to today. People need to wake the hell up.
@kategarcia4301
@kategarcia4301 Год назад
This is such an important well thought out interview. My granddaughter and I will watch this together and then have a conversation about it.
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Год назад
Kate: Thank you for your comment. I am pleased that your granddaughter and you will use this for conversation. If your resources allow, I would sure appreciate your using the THANKS button under any of my videos including the one you have commented on. It is something new that RU-vid is beta testing and would mean a great deal for my continuing efforts. David Hoffman filmmaker
@karenh2890
@karenh2890 Год назад
I seem to remember my parents watching Mr. Lippmann on TV. Interesting interview.
@davidotness6199
@davidotness6199 Год назад
The film is in excellent shape. This episode takes me right back to "the Day."
@nerdbamarich2063
@nerdbamarich2063 Год назад
Great footage
@antoniboleslawowicz8095
@antoniboleslawowicz8095 Год назад
Bravissimo, Mr. Hoffman! Thank you so much for posting this treasure. Lippmann is the kind of a voice we need today. Was this by any chance a part of that marvelous, short-lived program “Public Broadcast Laboratory”? Not long after this exchange of views, Robert Kennedy -- then equivocating about whether to run for President in 1968 -- came to Lippmann and laid out his case. Lippmann replied to him, “It’s none of my business to give advice to potential candidates for public office. But let me say this: you say that the re-election of Johnson would be a catastrophe. You say that the election of Nixon would be a catastrophe. I agree with you on both points. The thing you must live with is whether you did everything you could to avert that catastrophe.”
@baxtermaxtor
@baxtermaxtor Год назад
"Television brought the brutality of war into the comfort of the living room. Vietnam was lost in the living rooms of America - not on the battlefields of Vietnam." -Marshall McLuhan
@ronaldmcdonald3965
@ronaldmcdonald3965 Год назад
Domino effect: Financing the the Vietnam war created deficit spending. 1971 President Nixon took us off the gold standard, which allowed the US Government to engage in reckless deficit spending. Here we are in 2023, with an excess of 130% debt to GDP ratio (this is Warren Buffets ratio) where instability starting to set in. My mom said my job was to take my younger brother to Canada if he got drafted. I was a little older, and my age fell in the a couple of years where there was no draft in US..
@CristinaAcosta
@CristinaAcosta Год назад
Wow! Thank you
@fernalicious
@fernalicious Год назад
Amazing. Thanks for posting. He's so right about the attitude of the nation coming from the top, scary to see what happens when it's mixed with populism (see Jan 6).
@jeffscheiner1553
@jeffscheiner1553 Год назад
Lippmann nailed the issue of Vietnam from the beginning. It’s just a shame that Johnson did not follow his advice.
@krakenmcbubble6275
@krakenmcbubble6275 5 месяцев назад
Public Opinion is a must read. His concepts of "stereotype" and "pseudo environment/pseudo reality" are incredibly relevant
@Daniel-Strain
@Daniel-Strain Год назад
We in the U.S. have always talked about democracy and human rights (a government system), but when you look at what countries we get along with and don't, it has always aligned instead with whether they are communist or capitalist (an economic system). We regularly get along with dictators that let our corporations in, and are hostile to communist countries even when they are democracies. In other words, what we REALLY care about is not democracy or human rights - but whether or not our corporations can make money there.
@ifrancus9623
@ifrancus9623 Год назад
Thanks! From a fellow Long Islander who lived through this era.
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Год назад
Thank you fellow Long Islander. That is much appreciated. David Hoffman filmmaker
@paulgaskins7713
@paulgaskins7713 11 месяцев назад
4:56 well, now we’ve got that kind of man.
@robertashton8069
@robertashton8069 Год назад
"We will lose 10 men to your 1, but you will tire of the war first." Ho Chi Minh
@BlueWaterSTAX
@BlueWaterSTAX 4 месяца назад
This guy is brilliant. What I would give, to have him here now. Advising the monstrosity known as the Federal government
@TedMcCarthy
@TedMcCarthy Год назад
Best video since Murray King's video! Interesting.
@calebmc8915
@calebmc8915 2 месяца назад
why can't our government have conversations like this. Man did he nail the head on the loss of hope. Our government has fallen so far for nothing.
@outdoorloser4340
@outdoorloser4340 Год назад
Clearly a very wise man.
@tomsawyer2338
@tomsawyer2338 Год назад
I remember people like these. I miss them.
@georgestemple3310
@georgestemple3310 Год назад
This is an excellent video to bad the advice wasn't followed to many lives lost and to much blood shed a good friend of mine lost a brother my brother almost had to go as did I
@RichardNixonsHippieRemoval
@RichardNixonsHippieRemoval 10 месяцев назад
This is fantastic. Anybody can go over the past, but few can explain the likely future. And who's the blond lady? Very nice.
@mth469
@mth469 Год назад
holy! everything this guy says is right on point.
@garethowen8730
@garethowen8730 Год назад
Very intelligent man
@cosimo7770
@cosimo7770 Год назад
In November 1961 (yes, 1961) I warned that the USA Government was hellbent on escalating to a full-scale war in Vietnam, taking over from the French, to achieve permanent US political control there. I had requested, and the US Embassy in London sent me extensive technical and disarmament information concerning nuclear weaons policy; and in the same large envelope was detailed information advancing a policy of US military control in Vietnam, beginning with placing of so-called "military advisers". At my university, I advised everyone to "read between the lines" of (what we now call) the mainstream media. I also recommended, that to be politically well-informed, one should listen to the media no more often than once per six months. But the response was that my warning was fantasy. By 1967, Walter Lippmann was about the only American mainstream journalist with the moral and intellectual honesty to disown his Government's militarism in Vietnam. But why did he and the anti-war protest movement need to wait until 1967 or later to recognise the obvious ? The US war plan for Vietnam had started and was already visible in 1961. The lesson, as ever, is for every single person to ignore the mainstream media, to think critically - however painful that may be, and no longer to wait belatedly for the appearance of another Walter Lippmann.
@joekni2002
@joekni2002 6 месяцев назад
Be a part of the solution to your own problems. Wish there were more people who could follow that advice these days.
@justcollc2151
@justcollc2151 11 месяцев назад
How Lippmann isn't mentioned in primary education is absolutely 🧠🤯
@_chueyee_
@_chueyee_ 2 месяца назад
yea
@Sassy-Patriot
@Sassy-Patriot Год назад
I was born in 1967 this is definitely interesting 🧐
@vivianoosthuizen8990
@vivianoosthuizen8990 5 месяцев назад
Beautiful to see such young people interested in politics
@pito1957
@pito1957 4 месяца назад
So incredibly ACTUAL ! I am French, 65 years old. I wish I could have been taught so much earlier in my life that all of History learned in school and further was just fairy tales when not pure Lies. I wish to have been taught that "History" is always written by the so-called "winners". And when I see this video, I just remember the quality of the TV broadcasts (programs?) of my youth. Good for me I just threw away my TV set almost 40 years ago. @Megaghost says the rest. Help us God.
@MacCionnaith
@MacCionnaith Год назад
What an intelligent man
@H0mework
@H0mework Год назад
I wrote about Bernays versus Schwarz's usage of propaganda, and the insight from Lippmann is incredible. I heard Bernays was so good at propaganda that most people don't know he nearly completely copied Lippmann's books such as Public Opinion.
@joeswanson733
@joeswanson733 Год назад
Walter Lippmann (September 23, 1889 - December 14, 1974) WW1 veteran During the war, Lippmann was commissioned a captain in the Army on June 28, 1918, and was assigned to the intelligence section of the AEF headquarters in France. He was assigned to the staff of Edward M. House in October and attached to the American Commission to negotiate peace in December. He returned to the United States in February 1919 and was immediately discharged.
@pdxeddie1111
@pdxeddie1111 Год назад
As a young man, House and his companions harassed recently-freed slaves verbally and with slingshots. His diary entries "consistently reveal a deeply felt racism" and a belief in white supremacy.
@damyandiroma2087
@damyandiroma2087 Год назад
whats the full tv show anyway we can get a link? i could watch the entire show
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Год назад
I have not posted the entire show. David Hoffman filmmaker
@suedoe4316
@suedoe4316 Год назад
Who is the first guy talking (the guy who is seemingly the host of the show)?
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Год назад
He is not the host. He is just one of the students who was invited to interview Walter Lippmann. There was no host to the program. David Hoffman filmmaker
@DavidKeithWilliams-hg5nm
@DavidKeithWilliams-hg5nm 10 месяцев назад
Mr. Walter Lippmann has long been deceased. He mentioned that he was very concerned about the country losing hope in 1967. If he was alive today, I wonder what his view of the country would be on 9/22/2023.
@richardcolemanjr3749
@richardcolemanjr3749 Год назад
Some of those young people asking those important guestions have a doppelganger.
@paulcoster8374
@paulcoster8374 Год назад
this guy knows his history
@josealmeraz1484
@josealmeraz1484 6 месяцев назад
He wasn't lying about the backlash for the Black panthers 😢
@bryantoconnor691
@bryantoconnor691 Год назад
WAR ????
@turboredcart
@turboredcart Год назад
What is our exit strategy, on Ukraine?
@williammorris3303
@williammorris3303 Год назад
I would be interested in seeing this panel converse about the state of america now. No way could these people have imagined that america would turn towards communism. They may have imagined that corruption would attempt to grow to the massive state that it has, but I doubt they would have believed that the corruption would be accepted
@greggb1416
@greggb1416 6 месяцев назад
Anybody here know who the other(s) folks are in this group..? I don’t, just curious. The black man looks familiar.
@Sir-Kay
@Sir-Kay Год назад
The Vietcong's resilience is so admirable, they held on & handed the enemy its own @$$ & drove them back to Alabama just like they should, slava Vietnam!
@elihenley6982
@elihenley6982 Год назад
These reporters look 18 and 50 at the exact same time
@dannyherron9455
@dannyherron9455 Год назад
Imagine if this man had been in charge of .. Anything? Everything?
@Jamestele1
@Jamestele1 Год назад
Wow, where did this brand of measured political discourse go?
@kategarcia4301
@kategarcia4301 Год назад
McNamara's War.
@troygaspard6732
@troygaspard6732 Год назад
There is little debate about this anymore. Yet we ended up invading another foreign country, and stayed much longer than we did in Vietnam.
@Sokol10
@Sokol10 2 месяца назад
19:17 - Interesting, at time the Latin "n" word can be used.
@gaspode505
@gaspode505 Год назад
All years later and humanity didn't learn anything. Ru-Ua no winners in this war apart from the "Military complex"
@williamglaser6577
@williamglaser6577 Год назад
Man I thought that was a younger Gerorge Soros !
@HomesteadForALiving
@HomesteadForALiving Год назад
And it’s all about to happen again in Europe…
@Babinskusreflex
@Babinskusreflex 3 месяца назад
America last, as usual.
@arktos298
@arktos298 6 месяцев назад
National Security Order 263.
@iakona23
@iakona23 Год назад
He’s forgetting about the example from the previous decade where South Korea did survive the attempt by communists to conquer the entire nation. The British also succeeded in Malaya. South Korea became a wealthy industrialized democracy and part of the Western alliance which is now producing huge amounts of high tech artillery and rockets and tanks and jet fighters for our NATO allies such as Poland. South Vietnam could have developed along similar lines with smarter and more consistent policies by the U.S. It was the left, acting through the Democrat Party, which cut off aid to South Vietnam post 1973. Lots of blame to go around for the mismanagement of the war prior to 1970. The Viet Cong were eviscerated and defeated by the change in the counter insurgency strategy prior to the 1973 peace agreement between North and South Vietnam.
@iakona23
@iakona23 Год назад
@@yeldarb4245 Or they could have ended up like Thailand, Malaysia, Taiwan, South Korea or even Indonesia. Who knows?
@timothymeehan181
@timothymeehan181 Год назад
The difference between Korea and Vietnam was simply geography. As a peninsula, we could “circle the wagons” and defend South Korea. This is “combat 101” stuff, plain common sense, which was obviously lost on the “geniuses” making those decisions.
@spot-on-world
@spot-on-world Год назад
He's Wong
@Jagueyes1
@Jagueyes1 Год назад
Leaders like Kennedy and Reagan brought out the best in us. Those are real leaders, the ones that have that effect on all as a Nation.
@Twentythousandlps
@Twentythousandlps 6 месяцев назад
All like-minded liberal students.
@alicedee5540
@alicedee5540 Год назад
The most fascinating thing about this discussion is how everyone LISTENED to each others points of view, noboby interrupting or insulting one another. It's sad how we've taken 2 steps foward and 5 steps backwards in how society treats each other in today's world.
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