In an increasingly complex world, is NZ's fuel supply secure? | Q+A 2024 

And how exactly can we achieve this?

@@bobdillon1138 Build a refinery FFS

The clowns who don't want any petrol chemical exploration weren't around, and have no clue of history. Look to what is happening in Europe, Russia are holding many countries to ransom.

No it's not, the WEF have dictated this .....go figure

Carless days actually saved no fuel. Cars just travelled more to compensate for the extra loss of the other non usable car. That's why it was a con.

Are we having carless days again? Will they enforce that on EV's?

​@@berkulous289?

look up nat hagens and art bergman ,

also look into the war on that place on the west coast , which has a oil well

You know Singapore and Taiwan are different countries right?

Absolutely right. Various militaries from various sides will shut down shipping lanes.. Narrow ones such as that between Indonesia and Singapore are much easier to shut off. Starvation of countries for fuel, food, and other supplies is definitely a powerful weapon of war. New Zealand **might** be able to get oil direct from USA, or perhaps ships passing to the South of Australia; unlikely via current shipping routes; and if there are ships prepared to even sail here... we'll pay a fortune for it. And we'll need to, without diesel to run our trucks, people will starve.

Don't worry everyone. Chinese would be really stupid if they invade Taiwan. There is hardly much resources they can get from acquiring a land which they already claim is their own. I saw online that most Taiwanese celebrities are not aligned with the politicians and they don't want a war with China. Businesses from Taiwan want to make money from the Mainland China as well. I think New Zealand would want to establish trades with countries like Malaysia and Indonesia too. Malaysia exports quite a lot of petroleum according the CIA factbook.

We better be good boys and girls in the eyes of WEF and WHO otherwise they starve us

Opening Marsden point wouldn't change that 🤣

The fuel Marsden Point refined was imported - exactly the same risk. The best way to enhance energy security is to use 100% NZ made electricity.

We don't gee close to that level of oil production from our fields nor is there that potential from the untapped fields they know about. Without change in our energy demand, we will always be reliant on 95%+ of foreign oil.

It's owned by overseas interests thanks to a Muldoon government 😊

@@TheLeftie600 Or we could use 100% NZ made electricity.

@@gpsfinancial6988 We dont produce that amount of energy to be able to replace oil /gas and coal.

From burning overseas coal​@@gpsfinancial6988

Unfortunately, it sounds like they have destroyed The Point beyond to repair 😢

​@overland_adventure_nz it was already needing hundreds of millions of dollars spent to keep it operational before it was decommissioned.

Rebuild it then.

​@@overland_adventure_nz Remember they couldn't compete, refurbishment would have been throwing good money after bad. Especially seeing we would soon have to import crude no matter what.

​@@carlsmith653 With what? ...our economy is shagged. They don't even want to feed our needy kids🤷‍♂️

The government didn't close it down you clown!

@@bevanfidler6809 The Government wanted it closed by its private owners who were paid off handsomely. At any point the labour loonies and their green diseased racist mates, could have legislated to stop the shutdown 2 years before it was announced as this was how long the backroom dealings took.

Really?

channel infrastructure, the publicly traded company on the NZ stock market who own Marsden point. closed it down. Anyone who was against the closure could have brought $5 of stock on shareies and voted against it? Im sure this is what you did right? Rather than go on the inherent and blame the government like some of those crazy ignoramus

@@cathmah8467 yes, definitely!

What does it matter if we can't import the crude to refine in the first place?

Marsden point could only refine imported crude anyway so it doesn't make any difference

@aleceshowe A nuclear war will be over in a matter of hours? or minutes not sure how you think it will last longer than 28 days? maybe you were talking about the fallout? Wrong again modern nuclear weapons don't have the same as the old "H" bombs

The word nuclear suggests that IF nuclear was used the fall out would take many years to diminish for anyone to reinhabit the radiation area from it. Have no fear, no one uses nuclear for that very reason .

@MrHart450. I think you are leading yourself down the wrong path in an effort to seem smart. The point is energy security. 28 days is not enough to run a country through any sort of world crisis. Life, as we know it, will come to a grinding halt if the machines can’t move. It all comes down to cost. How much does it cost to import crude vs the refined fuel?what’s the cost of refining crude? How much does it cost to run the refinery? Is it profitable etc. those are the questions that needs to be answered. Along with that a risk analysis would have to be conducted.. what are the consequences if they do or don’t build a new refinery or increase the reserves… It’s interesting and complex. Looking forward to how it develops.

Labour screwed the pooch without doubt. But National is not doing anything good for New Zealanders, they have cut funding to the massively underfunded health system. Have you been to a hospital or required surgery recently? There is not enough staff as the conditions are terrible. There is unprecedented numbers leaving for Australia and other countries which is a massive skill loss. Nz will be left with foreigners and dole bludgers. National has never improved conditions/life for regular people, only their big donars get treated well. The wholesale cuts to government services are to pay for tax cuts which they hope to use to win the next election. Instead of creative and beneficial policies winning elections they have to bribe with worthless tax cuts that benefit a small minority of people. Wages are massively lagging behind inflation and absolutely nothing is being done to improve it. Both governments are appallingly bad for our great country.

@@craigdavies8099 You think this situation started overnight and was caused by the current govt?

@@jandrews377 Not at all, the last few governments have contributed. What grates me is all the Nat supporters constantly crapping on that this government is so much better than the last. The reality is both National and Labour are completely shit, neither is capable of actually improving life for regular kiwi's. When working families cannot support themselves the government has dropped the ball. I'm sick of Nationals plan to slash everything ie health, food for kids at school etc so they can bribe us with tax cuts to win the election. Donkey sorry I mean John Key did exactly the same thing, not one good policy to campaign on, just tax cuts that benefit a few and worsen the health and education systems. Luxon is truely useless, Hipkins is a nice bloke but completely ineffectual, Jacinda was idiotic, John Key was as bent as ever a prime minister has been. There is nobody worth voting for...

Hahaha, it's only a vote getter

@feesullivan3439 In case you missed it?? Timestamp 2.31 It had nothing to do with the govt.?? So not to sure how you think a change of govt is going to fix it?

so you remember sir bob jones starting the new zealand party to split the nats vote , to bring sir roger douglas to power . to sell it all off . the labs and the nats are on the same team

@Motumatai3 Just one second? You are missing out some key points here. While your mum and dad may have paid taxes? the government borrowed addition money in order to build it, maintain it and do upgrades. Soooo much so that assets had to be sold to stop the country going into bankruptcy and faulting on those very loans needed to build this thing.

Winter hasn't even hit and we were already asked once not to charge EVs. Being green would be great but jumping at it instead of walking will expose us to risks that would make a pandemic look like a day off work.

@@olsaffa7679 In fact we were asked to reduce energy including cars between 7 and 9 am. Mark Ryall from Transpower said "We have a very peaky system where first thing in the morning and last thing at night the load is a lot higher than the rest of the day." The jokes on the EV forums were that nobody charges between 7 and 9am anyway s it’s the most expensive price. We all charge overnight when there is a kilt of spare capacity.

@ObiePaddles Point taken but the electricity supply is obviously near top capacity at some points. Nothing to cripple a country like electricity or fuel rationing. Let's stay well clear of it. Once it gets to a public announcement like that : time to reality check.

@@olsaffa7679 it is and we should not be impressed about that as electricity demand is rising with or without EVs.

@ObiePaddles Very true. Australia's public sector infrastructure deficit is at 250 Billion and NZ's is at 500 Billion. We have a bloated government starting at its navel while politicians are arguing about "native peoples rights."

Public transport maybe, but bike lanes? Bike lanes are empty because the idea sounds great until the wind picks up and the rain rolls in. Even on great weather days, they are not used enough.

so you can power them from imported coal instead of petrol...

⁠Why would you use coal? It makes up less than 3% of the NZ electricity grid.

@@jamesclendon7635 depends where you are i guess

What resources do we have to keep the national domestic car fleet going?

@@chrismckellar9350 Electricity

Why you say that?

Our oil is not suitable to refine plus there is not a lot of it support the country for a long time.

How kind of Shell and the other explorers to leave NZ with it's vast acreages of oil just waiting to be plucked. Even NZ Oil and Gas is shifting to Aussie - this is after Shane and his sheep said "drill baby drill"

@@chrismckellar9350 rubbish. Our oil is just different from the stuff we were importing. That’s why I said we need to set it up to process our own oil. Apparently our oil is very good. Big oil is just leaving it for when the stuff they are exploiting now runs out.

@@cyrillawless - Yes, NZ oil is different hence global petroleum companies have assessed it is to expensive to extract and refine it.

@@chrismckellar9350 no it is different to the Asian oil we are being shipped at the moment. Yes it is harder to extract but they don’t need it and as NZ is a fairly stable country politically speaking there is no hurry to exploit it until the world gets short. Read the book “floating on oil and gas” by. Brian Jackson. It will open your eyes to the bullshit and incompetence of governments past has done to one of our biggest resources.

Our farmers need Diesel to produce food. The trucks and trains need diesel to transport the food and other goods. No diesel no food. There is more to this than just cars.

We could delete diesel Fuel if we really want to be independent from the oils of other countries... Electric Vehicles could do that if we put our money to that technology... Not another refinery to add more Green House Gas to our planet... One step at a time! NZ should invest to this green technology.

We should, and can produce our own ENERGY. The easiest, cheapest and quickest form of ENERGY we can produce is ELECTRICITY. And why would we want to continue to send millions of dollars offshore every day?

EVs are heavy and so expensive to maintain. They are going to destroy the roads. We’ve got back to petrol

@@feesullivan3439 no, trucks destroy the roads, an EV is no heavier than the Ford Ranger Ute’s everyone likes to drive. And what’s the maintenance cost? There’s no engine, so what do you think is being maintained!!

Currently it is coming from refineries in Indonesia.

It seems that you got your information disinformation, misinformation and conspiracy theories on social media and from rabbit hole media and radio.

It's said multiple times in the video that it was labour's bill that required these companies to store more fuel.

@adrianparkes396 after 2 terms how much extra real actual storage did they secure or create? Zero I believe.

@@ProximaCentairi24 They passed a bill that requires these companies to increase their storage. Not only did they address it, they put in regulations that will increase storage.

@adrianparkes396 So how much actual extra storage is there...seems.the same outcome as extra social housing under Labour.

@user-gk3jk2wr4u The storage will increase in January by law thanks to labour Not sure what you're referring to about housing. Labour built more houses than any other government since the 50s

Not in the 70's but a couple of weeks ago, we were asked not to charge EVs because electricity was running low. Check the chaos if NZ goes through managed power cuts to keep the grid from collapsing. Who would have guessed this the week before the announcement?

The ETS is a con dreamt up by Al Gore. If it worked we will have seen the temperature of the planet start to drop by now considering it was brought in by the Helen Clark Labour Govt all those years ago.

Are you show that electricity is generate from fuel.

@@chrismckellar9350 Not all of it, coal and gas are a type of fuel though right? so yeah most of it is generated by fuel. We don't and won't have enough renewable hydro, solar, and wind to be self sufficient for a long time, we still have to think about what happens between then and now.

@@ElusivGaming - 85% of power generation in this country is generated by hydro, solar, wind, geothermal and the remaining 15% can be from wind/solar/battery home generation and possible methane generation.

@@chrismckellar9350 In New Zealand we are fortunate to have renewable energy sources providing most of our electricity (around 82%) and around 40% of our total primary energy. This includes geothermal, hydro and wind. The other 60% of our energy comes from oil (32%), natural gas (21%) and a small amount of coal.* Natural gas is piped throughout the North Island to homes and businesses. The South Island does not have a piped connection but bottled LPG is widely used. In total, there are around 400,000 users of natural gas and LPG in New Zealand.

@@ElusivGaming - You forgot solar. By the way, the country can be a 100% renewable. For need to think outside the nprmal 3 yearly cheap quick fix solutions.

You voted for Labour tho

They didn't. NZers saving a few cents at the pump by buying cheaper direct imports from companies like Gull made it uneconomic to refine in NZ.

We can't and it's impractical.

More like Shane Jones scaring everybody so his mates in the industry he's having private dinners with can make some bank.

So is fossil fuel a disaster. This country can produce green hydrogen.

You might be happy to pay an extra $2 a litre, but most won't.

@@gpsfinancial6988 No Fuel , no economy, you choose

@@philbennett4494 It refined imported oil anyway. You are in la la land if you believe there are billions of barrels of oil just waiting for harvest. The majors already walked away and NZ Oil and gas is moving to Aussie despite Shane's offer of bending over and taking it with no lube.

@@gpsfinancial6988 Hence it needs upgrading to refine our own oil so we become an exporter, i respect your thoughts but i beleive we have plenty of oil here and the alternatives are not pallatable, as with coal , we need a Fischer -Tropsch plant built , you know like Germany did in the war years to become 80% self sufficent .

Leave the caped woke crusader alone 😂

She wasn't running the country on mushrooms, she was eating them all lol

@@PowerboatTraining along with everything else haha

It was a business decision to close as the refinery was old , so why blame labour?

It seem that you got your information from disinformation, misinformation and conspiracy theories on social media and from rabbit hole media and radio.

Labour and green party done alot of damage to nz.

@@hardlydavidson1937 - Rubbish. It is 38 years of 'for profit at least cost' neoliberal economics and governance with its 3 yearly cheap quick fix solutions has create the current economic, social, infrastructural and housing mess the country is currently in.

@chrismckellar9350 yeah labour and green govt take a look at all the damage they done. Even when Helen was in she also done so much damage

Not just that, any manufacturing done here is using imported materials because they closed all our mines down, which in turn increases the cost of everything across the board. We've become almost completely reliant on the rest of the world for everything we produce when we have the materials right here to do it ourselves. Pretty arrogant to say "we have to save our environment by not mining anything" but then expect the other countries around the world to do that to their environment to prop up our supply of everything.

It will come down down if car owners in NZ want to pay $5, $6, or more per litre.

@@ElusivGaming - Nature doesn't care a dam about the human race. What is important, the human race or digging up NZ to sell the country's remaining silver and creating more planet warming emissions?

Reopening Marsden Point will be jobs and money circulating within the New Zealand economy. It will improve the balance of trade and raise living standards within New Zealand. It is more expensive relying on foreign resources for New Zealand rather than on being energy self-reliant.

@@chrissolutions - The cost of reopening of the refinery will be expensive and the question how will pay for it, as the refinery site now being used as fuel storage is still owned by its petroleum company's shareholders. By the way. are your prepared to pay $4, $5 or more per litre to have refine petrol, etc processed in the country?

Where did you get your information from other than from disinformation, misinformation and conspiracy theories on social media and from rabbit hole media and radio?

@@chrismckellar9350 Ask any nz citizen who moved out of the country in last 5 yrs. We still in covid face struggling to get back to normal where other countries-up and running nz Pushed so much talent out side of the country, No development, no jobs, high inflation, mortgage trap made 2% during covid and now 7%. Instead of creating job markets, jasinda they just watched and collapsed and in the end abandoned. Inexperienced to run the country.

@@mahen9394 - More tiresome old misinformation. Hey the world has moved on. By the way, the SARS-cov-2 virus is still around globally.

The global petroleum corporations need to keep their profits up. NZ is petty cash to them.

Politicians say nice words to get votes, what would you expect from a heart attack victim

😂 we get our fuel from Singapore. Ever wonder where they get their fuel from.

Really,what country are you in.

@@jamesstewart2993 Russian bot lol

Maybe the ostrich should be that national bird of NZ

Sounds great but jumping at that instead of transitioning in a secure measured way would crippled us. Don't forget we already had a "no EV charging" morning before winter.

Efficiency of scale... 🙄

@@growtocycle6992 ownership...

@@olsaffa7679 green waste recycling, rental hub, power production, carbon credits (algae), Negative = high-end engine performance, Positive = farming sector, postal hub, gotta promote collateral benefits...

Yeah right, Ivan

Have you actually listened to what China and Russia (the kingpins) propose as a "multipolar world?" They simply want to dominate their own "swears of influence." There's no plan for 'international equality.'

So they can fund their invasion of Ukraine. Yeah right Ivan.

Relying on "cheap Russian oil" at peril. It will be used as a political weapon against us.

Ahhh two more koolaid drunks that think Putin invaded Ukraine because he's "A MADMAN" ... because murica told them and they're the good guy's.

​​@@olsaffa7679America is fighting China and Russia, we can't buy brics oil because America said so. Funny story- Asian oil is brics oil but we're paying a middle man through the nose so murica can save face. ...tell me - who's fighting us? ...that's right ✅️ - nobody! Wait until we're in aukus before you say China.

​@@chrismckellar9350 Ignorance is bliss. Stop believing what you're told by governments.