In search of the perfect speed-drift in Trackmania 

One more little nitpicky feedback for the title: I wish the word -drift- was replaced with "speed-drift"/"speedslide", or anything else. Not being familiar with your usual content, first I thought this video would be about "normal" drifts used in the Tech style like in this linked video, and not speedslides for fullspeed: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iR3QetfahMI.html

@@Mandarin9900 Thanks for the feedback! I've updated the title to be more specific.

Oh okay, I guess I missed a community-wide vote where it was decided you speak for all of us?

@@realityveil6151 You know, usually when something like this is said - you don't have to take it that seriously, you can just ignore it... it's just an expression. You got any more issues with my comment? I guess you have a problem with the comment having a positive message.

@@Mandarin9900 I like positive messages. I don't like trumpted up idiots who don't think before they say something. It's not just "an expression". In proper media, not youtube comments, "On behalf of" when used properly is only used by those empowered to speak for a group. You're just some schmuck who plays trackmania sometimes. You don't have the right to speak on behalf of everyone. I agree with your statement, it's a fine video, but you don't speak for me.

agreed. this is probably the best and most in-depth explanation of a speed-slide/drift ive ever seen, and the software is crazy

My man , start speaking English and stop speaking Biology

Quality pfp

I've been playing it a lot lately. It appeals to me in the same way that speed running Quake does: lots of niche physics bugs to exploit!

@@MattsRamblings If you like Quake, do you know about Nadeo's arena shooter, ShootMania? It might be the perfect match for you. Quake + what you love about TM = ShootMania: Storm, might be worth a try.

@@MattsRamblings Makes sense haha but no matter what you do upload, i always end up enjoying it

This tool is pretty useful and very cool, the main problem is that many people can use this to gain a unfair advantage in competitions and for speedruning tracks

@@calitts4708 I don’t get how this tool would be unfair if made public since everyone from 0 hours in the game to carl jr level player will have free access to it

Thanks, and thanks for the tip about the larger play area: As you might be able to tell from the vid that was a problem I hit with my flat test maps. To do slopes properly I think I'd need to investigate custom blocks, since the default set appears to be limited in the number of gradients you can lay out. It's certainly something that would be interesting to look into.

@@MattsRamblings You don't need custom blocks, just a bigger map base, you can use openplanet to create one or I actually have a bunch of them of useful sizes in a discord if you want to just download some.

I see, thanks

Let people use it in competitive, they can have fun crashing while they are too busy looking at their SD graph

@@HS-hq6eg Maybe some beginners would crash a lot trying to use this tool, but more advanced people can use it more easily to gain advantage, I think he shouldn't release completely for the public. But it is just my opinion, I understand your point and Nicks's point

@Calitts how would using this tool which will only help tas runs give a competitive advantage? Plus everyone can use it if it is made public meaning everyone gets the same advantage and therefore no induvidual advantagw

@@fishtail2616 practicing with active system feedback is very effective. The melee community rocketed up in skill and execution when systems became viewable in the GUI.

@@lazygamemaster748 But it will not give an unfair advantage since everyone will have access to it. I feel like the tool would at least be very useful if added to donadigo’s tas tool

It should if nothing else be added to the TAS program

That being said, AMAZING video. You should make a lot more videos - the quality is sick.

Steering and gears is a lot more straightforward and easier to understand just by feel. You'll lose speed if you're upshifting while sliding, since the shift will take longer than normal. I don't think deciphering the effect needs research and a video like this really, even if it might be a nice reference.

I'm sorry to say but you're kinda outdated in that term, TMS has been made possible to run on modern OS like Win10

@@tobiasauyero1078 How? My DVD of TMS would install with StarForce and then win10 would not boot and would show me a blue screen (yeas I already tried that and almost had a heart attack as I had a lot of data on my win10 PC).

@@attractivegd9531 Well, just last year, a patch for the game has been discovered and everyone (including myself) can now play it without any issues. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-18jLklAE7q0.html here's the video that explains how to install it. Remember to install all of the official game patches as well (which is shown on the video)

@@tobiasauyero1078 Thanks but I'm not taking 2 risks for this game. 1 the game still installs StarForce, 2 I won't download a dodgy non official patch. And the worst part is that the patch requires you to run it as admin which is VERY dangerous.

@@attractivegd9531 StarForce doesn't get installed at all, even if You restart your PC with the patches, it doesn't BSoD every time. And also the game itself requires you for Admin perms. I've installed TMO and ESWC as well (both with StarForce protection) and nothing happen since then

Could be useful for TAS

when holding the gas car always has forward momentum until you slide then forward momentum changes to sideways momentum (so you can drift corners) a speed drift was originally a bug that occurred that let you have both the sideways and forward momentum gain at the same time, this was later added as a feature.

I don't know, I think it would give an unfair advantage for people hunting, it would even be possible to write a tool based on this one that automatically corrects the slip angle to give maximum speed output. It seems like quite a dangerous thing to release for the community.

@@red13emerald a tool like that has already been made and shared to quite a few people plugins like the one on the vid wont really do much

@@skrrtskrrt9288 details?

Thanks! I've played TMNF but haven't investigated it in the same way, so I'm not sure if the curves match exactly, but it should be possible to grab the same type of data and do a similar investigation.

sufficient computer science skills or 50 bucks to hire someone on fiver : p

I agree with Not Jarrett. Let everyone learn how to speed slide to make the competition harder and the results better!

Even if it's released, is it worth restricting even to solo/offline? That could still be an advantage as well. We had enough cheating drama lately, if this is already causing a little controversy to release or not.

@@Mandarin9900 Speaking hypothetically if the pluggin were guaranteed to only run on offline maps (not beeing able submit anny times), I fully belive this should be available to download (free or donationware as TM is free and creating a $ barrier would be unfair). My reason for thinking this is that we allways want to push the limit and approach "the perfect run" in TM. I believe this is the reason why Donadigos TAS tool is freely available. I am hevely invested in the TM world, but have yet to delv fully indepth to the most competitive aspects. So if the tool is guaranteed to only work offline I belive it should be accessible, but as all things are, the degree of probability of hacking the tool to work online is something I don't know how to weigh in on. Still if someone were to create a tool such as yours and use it for them self online, that would be worse that having free acces to this tool offline. Ultimately as I don't know how secure an only offline tool would be, I belive having Wirtual consult other key people to be the best choise for the TM community. (I would be heavly confused if Wirtual does not take notice of your video within some weeks) PS: I think it is funny how you inadvertently gave the evidence/explanation for why the wiggling-technique on grass and dirt is faster than driving straight. As wiggling the car initiates drifting in and out of the ideal overlapp zones XD

1. the game isnt meant to be realistic 2. it raises the skill ceiling 3. people have spent a lot of time mastering it and i see no reason why they should change it for you 4. im not even sure how you'd go about "patching" speed drifting, considering it exists because of the engine. it's like trying to patch bhopping from csgo "I have a friend that quit the game because he kept getting beat by people using speedslides online which he viewed as an unfair abuse of game mechanics" its not unfair, he could learn to do it too. this is literally the "i dont like that these people are better than me" argument and yes i know this comment is 3 months old

​@@rraaiin It's a game with cars in it, they should intuitively behave like cars. It doesn't have to be a sim but it should reward precise driving and taking an optimal racing line over abusing unintended physics glitches. Just because a minority of idiots wasted their time mastering a glitch in a videogame doesn't mean the devs should cater to them. Patching it would be easy, just like they recently patched the stupid wiggling on ice. They can leave it in the old games, let the new game move forward instead of being so stuck in the past. And no, my friend's complaint was not a "i dont like that these people are better than me", it's more of "I don't want to waste my time learning broken unintuitive mechanics which suck the fun out of gameplay" The trackmania community is so stubbornly stuck in the past it's ridiculous.

What is your problem dude?

@@Mandarin9900 the joke is about the tool he talked about releasing