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In the Battleship's Nixie Room 

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In this video we're inside the battleship's nixie room.
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@jamesburns8247
@jamesburns8247 Год назад
The degaussing coils that you pointed out didn't leak an electrical currant into the ships hull. They produced a predetermined magnetic field to cancel out the ships inherent magnetic signal hence , making the ship invisible to magnetic mines. Different coils incircled different sections of the ship as to the amount of iron there was to negate. I stored charts listing the amperage needed in each coil at different locations on the Earth and maintained a log of changes inspected by the XO.
@AM-hf9kk
@AM-hf9kk Год назад
Thank you! Ryan's explanation bugged me. If you're "leaking" electricity into the hull, you've created a whole host of problems that screw your electric plant, your hull, and your electronics, as well as your sailors. I was lucky enough to visit NSWCCD Philly, where they're developing superconducting degaussing coils that (should, eventually) weigh less and require less maintenance to do the same job.
@ross82
@ross82 10 месяцев назад
Um, magnesium and conductive materials reminds me of a transformer for some reason… you’re suggesting the steel hull isn’t electromagnetically effected? How else does it cancel out the built up charge causing the ship to become magnetic if it doesn’t induce an equal but opposite charge?
@turkeyboyjh1
@turkeyboyjh1 8 месяцев назад
@@ross82who said anything about magnesium
@ross82
@ross82 8 месяцев назад
@@turkeyboyjh1 physics did,
@justadudeonaphone3927
@justadudeonaphone3927 2 года назад
I was kinda expecting to see drachinifel just wandering around the ship while Ryan was filming.
@tcpratt1660
@tcpratt1660 2 года назад
Yeah, for a double courts-martial - Admiral Halsey for "sailing his fleet cavalierly into not just one, but two frikkin' typhoons!", and BuOrd, for the Mark XIV fiasco
@MrCantStopTheRobot
@MrCantStopTheRobot 2 года назад
He was clinging upside-down from a degaussing bundle, they just didn't sweep the camera past it.
@jackgibsxxx0750
@jackgibsxxx0750 2 года назад
A what??
@studinthemaking
@studinthemaking 2 года назад
He was. Ryan just didn’t see him.
@justadudeonaphone3927
@justadudeonaphone3927 2 года назад
@@dickJohnsonpeter I'm gonna help clarify for ya, Drach was in the U.S for a sightseeing trip during this if you watch the video on U.S.S the Sullivans from a day before they're actually in the same room as each other. Helps to watch their videos.
@michealfeeney8920
@michealfeeney8920 2 года назад
@ 4:00 You are quite correct about how noisy a Iowa can be. We could hear Jersey on our gear over 100000 yards away, by our sonar path calcutations that shift. This is also why its pointless to mount anti sub weapons on a batteship like this. She would have been at the center of the fleet formation, and the 'little guys' (cruisers through frigates) would be stationed between her and where we thought the threat might be. THEY are the ones supposed to detect and engage the sub before she gets in torpedo range. So they are the ones with the ASW weapons! The Nixie is, as First Class Howland mentions, the OH SH!T backup defense; it was held in our division if she ever had to use it the battlegroup commander would pay us a visit looking to collect scalps! (and backsides)
@jameshowland7393
@jameshowland7393 2 года назад
I was an STG1 when I left the Navy. Our division operated, repaired, and maintained the NIXIE equipment. @ 4:45 NIXIE actually doesn't detect anything. It radiates a series of frequencies in preselected patterns that are designed to attract torpedoes and prevent them from attacking the ship.
@aaaht3810
@aaaht3810 2 года назад
I was going to ask what rating operated this equipment. I guess you answered that.
@jimdennis2451
@jimdennis2451 2 года назад
Pheromones for torpedoes...
@timsmith1125
@timsmith1125 2 года назад
I’m another STG and served on two different guided missile destroyers (DDG) during the late 1970’s. On both ships (Adams class and Forest Sherman class) this was mounted on the fantail. Kind of a maintenance nightmare because it was exposed to the elements on the weather deck.
@CoachNealF
@CoachNealF 2 года назад
Yeah. He misspoke about how the Nixie operates.
@Jagdgeschwader52EH
@Jagdgeschwader52EH 2 года назад
Another Stg here.. also was gonna say. The A/c is for the equipment not the crew lol
@tomschmidt381
@tomschmidt381 2 года назад
I'm an EE geek so to me NIXIE means the preLED neon tube numeric display.
@muskaos
@muskaos 2 года назад
Every Nimitz class carrier I was on had a dual Nixie drum out on the fantail, starboard side, just like the one shown here. I can remember on one hand how many times I heard about one being streamed over my 20 years, and 7 deployments.
@7891ph
@7891ph 2 года назад
Interesting fact; the degaussing system requires that the cable he pointed out is one continuous piece, no splices or joints allowed. That means that when the cable was installed, it had to be pulled all the way around the hull three times. Dad worked for the Defoe shipyard in Bay City Michigan until they shut down in the 1960's; the last class of ship's they built were DDG's, and his description of the grunts pulling the cable around each hull was very.... descriptive.... Fortunately for him, as an I.C. electrician, he only had to work on the final connections when it was pulled into place....
@craigtate5930
@craigtate5930 2 года назад
Any idea why it could not be spliced?
@7891ph
@7891ph 2 года назад
@@craigtate5930 I remember him describing why, but I can't remember the exact details. He told me that story back when I was training in a machine building shop, industry came up with a new standard for automotive assembly line equipment for spot welding. Everything out a certain distance from the gun's had to be non magnetic, which meant stainless steel. My dad was laughing and wanted to know why we didn't just degauss the system. That's when he told me about it. And I can't just ask him again because he been gone going on five years....
@craigtate5930
@craigtate5930 2 года назад
@@7891ph thanks
@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont
@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont 2 года назад
Sometimes when I watch one of these videos, I stop to think that EVERYTHING in those spaces had to be drawn on a drafting board and EVERYTHING had a lot of paper "working drawings" for the engineers, repair teams, etc.
@NH2112
@NH2112 2 года назад
And then you have to think about how many different teams of draftsmen were working on those plans. Some drew framing, others guns & associated equipment, there were drawings just for steam pipes & fittings, electrical, fuel oil bunkers and their associated pumps & piping, etc. Everyone had to talk with everyone else because as big as the ship was it was built to be just big enough for its equipment and no bigger. There was very little margin for error.
@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont
@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont 2 года назад
@@NH2112 and they did it all without smartphones and email!
@johnross6314
@johnross6314 2 года назад
@@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont and no AutoCad, or Solid Works. Today’s engineers could never pull off almost anything like Iowa, bridges, buildings, using basic math, ME skills, CE skills, paper, slide rules, drafting tables, PM teamwork on the scale our fun men and women did years ago.
@kingrpriddick
@kingrpriddick 2 года назад
@@johnross6314 The argument has been made over the KC-46's camera that modern computer aided design has decreased the quality of our military hardware, allowing design mistakes old engineers would have seen with their eyeballs.
@johnross6314
@johnross6314 2 года назад
@@kingrpriddick yep, one of the big problems. Game Boy raised engineers have no idea. With almost all pre-baby boomers passed or in wheel chairs, and the few real sharp baby boomers left in workforce, no wonder Boeing is one cluster frack after another. So much to unpack for the real reasons of the planned by the taskmasters demise of USA and representing life, liberty, property, sacred honor. In the case of advanced development (fast paced completion) in .mil tech, we are in sad shape. Maybe, just maybe a handful of millennial and iGen people will unpack all the chaos, and be successful in keeping the whole thing from sinking into the abyss. We are at such a bad state now, there is not time for the classic example of the 25 year program called the massive frack up F35 like time to elapse before things recover.
@TheWookie_USN
@TheWookie_USN 2 года назад
So back in 81 I was one of the more junior AW’s on the USS America CV66 ASWModule. My first GQ station was manning, deploying and retrieving the Nixie on the fantail next to the jet engine shop. Great place to watch flight ops, though a ramp strike would have been unfortunate for me and the other guy! We were connected by sound powered phone to CIC/ASW.
@imadequate3376
@imadequate3376 2 года назад
Man I wish you had film of that view, that must have been awesome. Thank you for your service
@TheWookie_USN
@TheWookie_USN 2 года назад
@@imadequate3376 yea I think about that often, but this was the early days of “portable” VHS recorders and they were huge. Taking it with me from one end of the ship to the fantail during GQ probably would’ve been noticed. And, during my flying, those cameras weren’t conducive to joining you on an ejection seat. 😬
@raybin6873
@raybin6873 2 года назад
Why is it called the Nixie?
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat 2 года назад
@@TheWookie_USN RAF crews used to take 8mm recorders with them sometimes, on craft with a navigator, obviously the pilot couldn't use it. I'll try to post a link in the next comment but they often get deleted these days
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat 2 года назад
@@TheWookie_USN Bucc crews practising their low level skills, which are honestly just superhuman, they would invert when cresting hills so they could pull positive Gs to prevent skylining themselves and getting shot down ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ex4pyyjav2o.html
@kb18guy
@kb18guy 2 года назад
On the USS Iowa our helium storage was one deck below. We used to have to hand wrench the hatch in that room to access helium for our weather balloons.
@leftyo9589
@leftyo9589 2 года назад
we had nixie on my last ship, but if you need it odds are pretty good you're going for a swim soon. the fast attacks that accompany battle groups, and the ASW helicopters are a much better anti submarine/torpedo defense.
@McSkumm
@McSkumm 2 года назад
It was probably just intended as a last ditch effort if everything else fails.
@hansvonpoopinheim4215
@hansvonpoopinheim4215 2 года назад
I was talking to a surface guy championing the nixie and I was like bro you know we carry more than one torpedo, right? Operation Talisman Saber we killed the Shitty Kitty 13 times in one day with never being found/counter-detected, then promptly removed from the wargame.
@bwhaz
@bwhaz 2 года назад
The torpedo is supposed to exhaust itself, not hit the towed system. ... Obviously, it is better if it hits anything that it hits that than the ship but, the idea is to not have anything get hit. You can stream two devices at the same time, which is why there are multiple ones. If one device gets hit, then that is only one torpedo down out of a possible salvo of 3. And there could be multiple salvos if there are multiple submarines.
@davideasterling2729
@davideasterling2729 2 года назад
I was a SONAR Technician on the Oliver Hazard Perry Class Guided Missile Frigate USS Curts FFG-38 and remember running out our two NIXIE "fish" for maintenance on several occasions. The drums on New Jersey looks very similar to our, probably because they were from the same era. The main difference is we didn't have spare NIXIE fish.
@DILLIGAF2101
@DILLIGAF2101 2 года назад
I was an ET on USS Rodney M Davis (FFG 60) and was waxing similar nostalgia to you. I watched CURTS leave Yokosuka in 1997.
@davideasterling2729
@davideasterling2729 2 года назад
@@DILLIGAF2101 I came on board Curts in 1999 after her return to San Diego. I met her in Puerto Rico on deployment and sailed back through the Ditch.
@whelk
@whelk 2 года назад
I was an STG on Underwood FFG-36. We had two towed bodies but no spares.
@drtidrow
@drtidrow 2 года назад
_New Jersey_ , like most other "capital" ships, really depended on its escorts for anti-submarine warfare (ASW). I figure she was always escorted by at least one Ticonderoga-class cruiser and several ASW destroyers/frigates, possibly even a fast-attack sub - the best defense against subs is to have one of your own nearby.
@meldroc
@meldroc 2 года назад
IIRC, battleships in the 80's cruised in battleship groups, akin to carrier battle groups (or today, carrier strike groups), so New Jersey would have been accompanied by a couple of cruisers, a couple of destroyers, maybe more ships like frigates or submarines. Those ships & all the aircraft were her anti-sub defense, just like for carriers.
@jameshowland7393
@jameshowland7393 2 года назад
Ace in the hole!
@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818
@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818 2 года назад
Ehhh, I would argue the point about a submarine being the best defense against another sub. I would actually argue the best defense against subs is ASW aircraft, as a Sub can do very little against an ASW aircraft except hope that it doesn't get detected by one, where as an attacking sub can attack and sink the escorting sub. This was especially the case in WW2, WW2 era subs where pretty bad against each other unless one got the drop on another surfaced sub.
@0xFF48
@0xFF48 Год назад
In the modern era a battleship would be pretty much a sitting duck. In the first Iraq war it took multiple aircraft and ships using chaff and missiles to protect the Missouri from an inbound silkworm missile. Today anti ship missiles are so much better, a iowa class battleship would get turned into a reef almost instantly. Like the Moskva was
@Firefyta2
@Firefyta2 Месяц назад
​@0xFF48, I still think with the right protection, the Battleships could be an asset to the modern navy as fire support. It should have all of those protections mentioned and be a part of the carrier task force. There should be 2 new nuclear powered battleships of the Montana Class completely up to date with 2-18" Turrets, one on the bow and one aft, 3 barrells each and missiles in every space where room remains, with 5" guns, and twin 40's or 50's all around. Fully automated except for the main guns, the 5", and support weapons (manual), that would be an analog computer like the Iowas to allow the ship to function even if the satellites were down or if an EMP strike were to happen. They should use updated tech to make the shells reach farther inland than 24 miles and carry nuclear tipped shells as well, like the Iowas in the 50's. Be built to the same armor setup and make the hull thickness thicker than the Iowas so they will take torpedo hits. Thicker steel to take missile hits as well. Have the smaller ships protect both the carrier and the Battlewagon. That's my opinion.
@whelk
@whelk 2 года назад
Nixie was my GQ station on a frigate in the 90's. To defend against torpedoes you would need to already have nixe streamed and ready, you wouldn't be able to deploy it fast enough to react to a torpedo detection. The nixie room would have had a large electronics cabinet to drive the signals to the towed body. The fan coil unit was there to keep the electronics cool.
@thomasmoore8142
@thomasmoore8142 2 года назад
I knew the air had to be there for the electronics equipment. Glad you survived.
@whelk
@whelk 2 года назад
@@thomasmoore8142 For GQ it was sitting in an air conditioned space, on the sound powered phones, trying to stay awake. I usually kept a book there.
@kurt53641
@kurt53641 2 года назад
Just stopped at the USS North Carolina today. Going to take the family north to see the USS Wisconsin soon.
@decepticonshadows3901
@decepticonshadows3901 2 года назад
Same here! Wisconsin is the next one. I’m down in Charlotte so I’ve been to NC twice so far, hoping to again this year!
@thatkancolleguy
@thatkancolleguy 2 года назад
How did the old girl look? Its been nearly a decade since I've seen her well before they put the cofferdam in place.
@kurt53641
@kurt53641 2 года назад
@@thatkancolleguy still doing renovations. Looks a lot less rusty than the USS Alabama last October.
@kurt53641
@kurt53641 2 года назад
@@decepticonshadows3901 you need to visit the USS Alabama in Mobile
@decepticonshadows3901
@decepticonshadows3901 2 года назад
@@kurt53641 I plan on visiting all 8 battleships plus Arizona. The next closest after NC is Wisconsin. The rest are like 10+ hours away lol
@westlanddave78
@westlanddave78 2 года назад
I expected to see the other kind of nixies in the Nixie Room…the little neon numerical display tubes that were the predecessors to seven-segment LEDs. Shows how much I know! Lol
@DILLIGAF2101
@DILLIGAF2101 2 года назад
Reactivation would require the latest and greatest iteration of AN/SLQ-32, AN/SLQ-49 decoys (rubber ducks), NULKA, whatever is replacing SRBOC, losing at least one 16” turret and replacing it with as many Mk 41 VLS cells as possible, replacing the steam plant with either a shitload of gas turbines or go nuclear… By the time I’m done, it’ll be cheaper and more effective to procure about 20 DDG 51s.
@jimdennis2451
@jimdennis2451 2 года назад
Plus you would have to close the gift shop!
@tcpratt1660
@tcpratt1660 2 года назад
AND - giving Ryan a commission as First Lieutenant in the US Navy Reserve, thus encrewing him onto the USS New Jersey for its deployments (Public Information Communications Broadcast Officer).
@filanfyretracker
@filanfyretracker 2 года назад
Nuclear powered battleship would be cool, but its something that should wait until we get railguns working because 9 railguns would be brutality if they ever work up to what the Navy and BAE systems claim/want them to. Even then of course its still a 1940s frame, I cant imagine the cost of a true total gut and upgrade to be a 100% modern navy suitable ship. I do wonder if the analog computer could compute guns with the muzzle velocity of a railgun though. They used the WW2 computers even in the 1990s for the main guns, They still worked fine and with a modern radar got more accurate because they had better input.
@jmd1743
@jmd1743 2 года назад
Wow! 100k Subscribers! Pretty soon you'll hit a quarter of a million.
@curtisburnett6384
@curtisburnett6384 2 года назад
I'd like to see a nuclear powered rail gun battleship. You can't jam physics!
@oldtugs
@oldtugs 2 года назад
Those degaussing cables carry high current but lower voltage direct current. The 440V you mention is what powers the degaussing motor generators. The cables don't "leak" electricity into the hull, they induce a weak magnetic field.
@garywayne6083
@garywayne6083 2 года назад
I had no idea this room existed on the battleship until Libby took us there on a tour - so cool! Thank you fro doing a vid on it
@JohnTBlock
@JohnTBlock 2 года назад
I'm sure, much like carriers, battlewagons like the Iowas, in the 80's depended more on the battle-group assembled around them to screen her from submarine/torpedo attack, as well as aircraft. Operational point : Weren't the Iowas, when deployed in 1980's combat zones like the middle-east or Persian Gulf, part of a battle group that INCLUDED a carrier, for long-tange air defence from things like Backfire bombers full of anti-ship missiles? The modern mission was so different from what they were built for in the 40's, when fights between armored giants were expected, on the high seas. But they never got to face a Yamato.
@jimjensen1414
@jimjensen1414 2 года назад
great job, as usual, Ryan !!!!!
@owenkegg5608
@owenkegg5608 2 года назад
That's pretty funny to me. I would expect it's like a chute or something you see on those aircraft for deploying probes, but nope. Someone just grabs a nixie and yeets it out of a window.
@christianweagle6253
@christianweagle6253 2 года назад
Your mention of the crane reminded me to ask: does the ship have a general-purpose 'hold' space anywhere? Something for otherwise unassigned cargo that could be craned down into some empty compartment. If this were an Indiana Jones movie that's where the Ark would go, right?
@colosseumbuilders4768
@colosseumbuilders4768 2 года назад
There are a lot of "hold" spaces in the form of storerooms. They are not as easy to access as in a cargo ship because they are below the living spaces.
@commandershepard4235
@commandershepard4235 2 года назад
I would imagine there were all sorts of unassigned small compartments around the ship that could be used for storage. I mean, after all the museum did find a random office many years after taking possession of the ship. According to ship schematics the space it was in was just a void space.
@20chocsaday
@20chocsaday 2 года назад
When you look at almost anything you will find a space to store something. Just don't forget where you have stored anything.
@watsonlr
@watsonlr 2 года назад
Not sure, but since it's an armoured deck, the fewer big openings the better. I'd imagine there is storage space, but to get it there would be hand bombing.
@colosseumbuilders4768
@colosseumbuilders4768 2 года назад
@@watsonlr The storage spaces are fore and aft of the armor.
@Echowhiskeyone
@Echowhiskeyone 2 года назад
With Nixie, you need an advanced warning. Because it is not a quick to deploy decoy. There should be a Nixie Remote Unit in CIC or more likely in CEC.
@TheWookie_USN
@TheWookie_USN 2 года назад
Refer to my post above.
@JCT442
@JCT442 2 года назад
Nixie replaced the old T-MK6 Fanfare system. I was on a FF that had the T-MK6 replaced with Nixie in 1987. The problem with Nixie is its effective only against acoustic torpedoes. The Russians had (have) heavyweight wake homing torpedoes that track up a ship's wake. No effective/reliable defense for that other than acceleration & turning radius which our BB wasn't designed to do very well.
@invader440
@invader440 2 года назад
Same here. As an FF ST I got to work with both Nixie and T-MK6 on 3 different Knox cans.
@Vehrec
@Vehrec 2 года назад
There is the 'barn door turn' if you want to get hard over as fast as possible, but I believe that putting the rudder hard over at like 80 degrees for that operation can do some damage to the steering gear *and* slows the ship way down.
@imadequate3376
@imadequate3376 2 года назад
@@Vehrec Well when SHTF, think fast or eat ass.
@Hewitt_himself
@Hewitt_himself 2 года назад
Assuming you couldnt break contant with a full red october grade turn, the only thing that could disrupt a wake quick enough would be an explosion... depth charge (or any thing rigged as a depth charge) might break contact with one
@squiblift2019
@squiblift2019 Год назад
Liked seeing all of the Phrog images in the video.
@earlyriser8998
@earlyriser8998 2 года назад
never heard of this before ...neat
@31dknight
@31dknight 2 года назад
Great video from the battleship.
@MrZeke701
@MrZeke701 2 года назад
Very cool. Thanks!
@robertarmstrong3478
@robertarmstrong3478 Год назад
Acoustic torpedoes were a WWII development (albeit less sophisticated than now, of course). There is a very interesting account of the incidents that prompted the UK to develop a counter (towed noisemaker) before the Germans actually deployed the weapons in Secret Naval Investigator by Commander F. Ashe Lincoln.
@henrycarlson7514
@henrycarlson7514 2 года назад
Thank You ,
@TAllyn-qr3io
@TAllyn-qr3io 2 года назад
I was on a destroyer and we were low value…BB’s and Carriers were high value, of course. We were ASW as are frigates and the subs…Jersey and the other three were pretty damn safe as we had ASROC’s for a possibility of a “wolfpack” type attack.
@Vinemaple
@Vinemaple 2 года назад
I think you covered my answer to your question in your Iowa vs Kirov video... anyway, my understanding is that the first acoustic decoy system was developed in WW2, actually, just a towed noisemaker, and that the Nixie was basically a refined or engineered version of those improvised or 1st-generation devices. Acoustic torpedoes were so new when they first appeared in small numbers in WW2 that nobody would likely have bothered fitting anything like that to a battleship that would be operating with ASW escorts.
@judsonkr
@judsonkr 2 года назад
Love what you do. Keep it up!
@thomasmoore8142
@thomasmoore8142 2 года назад
Thanks for the video, I have pondered that those openings were for towing cable of sorts but haven't thought to ask so my thanks to whoever thought to ask, well done. My thanks to all who escorted our Capital Ships!
@ericanderson8965
@ericanderson8965 2 года назад
Those metal waterbreaks are actually called cofferdams per the DC manual. I had to do PMS on those when I was on the USS Carl Vinson.
@CountryBoyMoto
@CountryBoyMoto Год назад
The nixie was my first battle station when I got on the ship in 86’
@stevenkovacsi5848
@stevenkovacsi5848 2 года назад
Fascinating information.
@ricksadler797
@ricksadler797 2 года назад
Great video thank you 😊. Keep up the great work
@Basetornado
@Basetornado 2 года назад
Nixies great at telling you where a ship is and where to aim.
@dnguyen9747
@dnguyen9747 2 года назад
The US anti torpedo torpedo system has been removed from the carriers. Navy said they didn't work.
@jackshittle
@jackshittle 2 года назад
My child's name is Nixie - but I've never heard of a "Nixie" system on a Navy ship (even though I flew in the Navy from 1990-1995). Great video.
@thomasmoore8142
@thomasmoore8142 2 года назад
NIXIE is also a great type of electronic display tube. Electronic techs love them as does many old timers.
@christianjunghanel6724
@christianjunghanel6724 2 года назад
As far as i know the Us navy is working on a anti-torpedo system based on regular torpedos, while germany is developing a system called sea spider which uses smaller/faster/manoueverable and expandable underwater missiles! Also the russian RBU systems already in use are said to have some anti torpedo capabilitys!
@tomtrenter3208
@tomtrenter3208 2 года назад
RBU's are a weapon of chance, not skill.
@christianjunghanel6724
@christianjunghanel6724 2 года назад
@@tomtrenter3208 Agreed!
@texan-american200
@texan-american200 2 года назад
Looked like a good place to take a nap with the A/C there.
@raulcoronado6024
@raulcoronado6024 2 года назад
Thank You 😊
@wfoj21
@wfoj21 2 года назад
I know he was thinking SLQ-25, but his mouth said SPQ-25 at about 0:23. then at 6:50 - very nice shot of the stern. The port side former 40 mm gun tub has something in it. If I remember the video correct storage of higher ocatane fuel for the UAV in the 1980s- rigged for quick discard overboard if necessary.
@muskaos
@muskaos 2 года назад
Carriers have a remote sponson on the port side aft by the fantail that is where MOGAS is stored. There are gas powered bomb hoists that the ordnancemen use sometimes to lift heavy stores onto pylons. The entire sponson has a manual release in a safe spot so you can jettison the gasoline if it is on fire.
@johnross6314
@johnross6314 2 года назад
Prairie Maskers, modified, would work well as active countermeasure preventing finding and targeting Iowas. Towed array sonars would work great for detection and jamming. They would fit where the Pixies went. Conformal sonar would also be well utilized, regardless of the noise. Also, there is active tech to mask sound with these, like what your Bose noise canceling headphones do that would reduce signature. Today’s tech overcomes threats. New 7 blade or thrusters would reduce prop noise and signatures. There are a variety of wake canceling tech do deal with current/future wake homing weapons. These new on ship sensors should be used with massive an easy install active weapons creating a below surface battleship capability to wipe out underwater threats and weapons incoming. Like a F15EX type concept, Iowas would become giant warfare arms delivery system. Also, with those huge guns, they could be aimed to fire new advanced self propelled above water, and underwater weapons, delivered at basic hypersonic rate to the attack zone. Also think of this like a AC130 gun ship. It looks vulnerable, but against the enemy, those enemies want to be as far away as possible from the AC. With various networked battle and defense systems with other ships and subs, would also enhance the offensive and defensive capabilities. As a centerpiece or distributed massive offensive set of platforms. These ships are big enough to carry various high speed drone swarms both in the air and under the sea. We could do much with these excellent oiler powertrains. To silence, and or be used in stealthy noise mode to assist when needed and already on the attack other quiet new power/powertrain systems. Or, plenty of room to replace steam systems entirely with two to three Jimmy Carter or Ohio class, or Columbia class Uber quiet reactors. The only way we could afford, and the fastest way to create the 21st century battleship are grabbing these back. Verses creating them from scratch with the crappy criminal .mil industrial complex let loose to create something brand new. This platform is large enough to house anti space weapons aimed at Navy assets that are coming. And take a hit or close hit, and keep going. If I were POTUS, I would capture these all back into service. With a little bit of 21st century forward thinking, these would be affordable, and top capable platforms. Enemies would be want to run away underwater or above from this combined arms platform in one hull. Let alone working with other underwater and above water Navy and other service assets. If someone paid me, I would create a white paper that would go much farther and in detail why we need the 21st century large scale battle system. Unless someone was a woke moron, or a competing criminal not placing the best interest of the country/people first, no one would argue against the white paper. Great channel and great content! Thanks for asking for feedback if today or future, Iowas would be assets, competitive, and dominate against the enemies we are/will face. The answer is clearly yes. So say we all…. :)
@CMDRSweeper
@CMDRSweeper 2 года назад
MAD or Magnetic Anomaly Detector is NOT a dipping thing, you do that it doesn't do you any good. You have it underneath your helicopter and you fly around while looking at the Earth's magnetic field. Once you cross a big metallic object like a submarine or a ship, it will show a significant change in the magnetic field from the earth, indicating something metallic is below you. It isn't that useful for finding submarines, but confirming the true location of something triangulated with sonobouys (Triangulation isn't 100% accurate) it is a great tool.
@stephenbritton9297
@stephenbritton9297 2 года назад
NJ and all large warship's best defense against subs is their escort screen. Then as now. Also, I'm willing to bet that AC wasn't for the people as much as the 1980's electronics!
@randybentley2633
@randybentley2633 2 года назад
The latest Laser Defense system test demonstrates the survivability quotient for any vessel large enough to carry all the various layers of anti-air tech has improved tremendously and does give the reactivation for bombardment crowd another arrow in their quiver...assuming there is sufficient power for all the aforementioned whizbangs. Given that the Zumwalt class vessels are no longer to serve as the coastal tenderizers they were intended to be then why not go with the next better option? Even in this day and age of precision-guided bombs and missiles, there is still a quantifiable need for shell slingers. The advancements in artillery tech that are making rocket and even scramjet propulsion could potentially see a day come when maximum range could be in the 3-digit ballpark.
@abyssus9304
@abyssus9304 2 года назад
Only reason to reactivate an Iowa would be to use it as a test bed for Railguns.
@alanjameson8664
@alanjameson8664 2 года назад
The Nixie would be a successor to the Foxer and Fanfare torpedo decoys used in WWII.
@RuralTowner
@RuralTowner 2 года назад
2:30 Rooster tail. Odd term to hear applied to something as large as an Iowa.
@TheWookie_USN
@TheWookie_USN 2 года назад
Oh BTW, in addition to my previous Nixie comment. You mentioned in your video “why no sonar” on a BB. The same could be said about an an aircraft carrier, yet, CV66 had one managed by the AW’s in the CIC / ASWModule when I was there between 1/81 and 8/83. It was ripped out during the PNSY yard period in 1982. I believe that I was the last to hit the “ping” button towards the end of the 1981/82 Med-IO cruise. Yes, it makes no sense but there it was!
@user-ll3gc1lo2p
@user-ll3gc1lo2p 2 месяца назад
The "sense" behind it was that the carrier had such a deep draft that the actual sonar dome/transducer was below the thermocline, where the temperature of the water makes a sharp drop. For a destroyer with a shallow draft, the transmission would "bounce" off the thermocline back to the surface. A sub could get extremely close before being detected by active sonar. Was an experiment; worked, but told the sub exactly where the carrier was. And, as the carrier had no ASW weapons, aside from S-2/3 fixed wing and helicopters, was not really workable.
@jimbobisme1
@jimbobisme1 2 года назад
I doubt the space would have been continuously maned. I imagine the air conditioning was more a humidity control for the electronics installed in the space.
@ytlas3
@ytlas3 2 года назад
They have those units all over the ship and they're not really air conditioners. Air conditioners use freon to remove the heat out of the air. Those are air coolers/chillers. They contain copper tubes and 43 degree chill water is run through them while fan motors recycle the air in the space through the unit. At 1:29 in the video you can clearly see two insulated lines running parallel to each other. They're the chill water supply and return to the cooling unit
@TheStefanskoglund1
@TheStefanskoglund1 2 года назад
@@ytlas3 The water is chilled using a heating pump ie the heart of an air conditioner. The cooling plant in a moderna supermarket is based on indirect cooling of even the freezers. Usually CO2 as distributing medium, while in the heating pump itself the refrigerating media could be propane, CO2, ammonia or some of the HFC. Including that both the condensing side cooling is based around indirect cooling to minimize the amount of refrigerating media.
@ytlas3
@ytlas3 2 года назад
@@TheStefanskoglund1 The chill water on Navy ships is chilled in one of the main AC refrigeration plants. It's the same chill water system that supplies all the chillers in habitability, radar cooling, magazines, etc. Only the chill water to the SLQ 32 antennas is in a separate loop since it's chill water mixed with glycol. The actual reefers probably used freon as their medium. The freon valves and piping on the front of refrigeration units require double wall insulation due to how cold the one side gets. So.... the point of the whole mess is that the units are coolers, not AC units. You'll only find chill water inlet and outlet, and a drain line. You won't find any kind of freon piping on those units.
@TheStefanskoglund1
@TheStefanskoglund1 2 года назад
@@ytlas3 This is an indirect system - they didn't use refrigerating agents directly in an air cooler like that. The condensing side was probably a sea water cooled condenser, though risks gettting seawater inside the refrigerating agent - bad. Much more durable using a heat carrying media like water from the engineering spaces boiler water plant in the AC plant. Trouble in the condenser ? Then you have desalinated clean water in the compressor etc - much easier to deal with. Compare this to a single sealed unit for a residential setting there both evaporating and condensing side is direct.
@seanm8030
@seanm8030 2 года назад
Nixies have their own room? I thought they had their own tube full of inert gas.
@bwhaz
@bwhaz 2 года назад
Wrong Nixie. lol. "NIXIE" is the acronym given for what the video describes. :P
@seanm8030
@seanm8030 2 года назад
@@bwhaz Sorry. I have a distinctly electrical engineering sense of humour.
@bwhaz
@bwhaz 2 года назад
@@seanm8030 Hahahaha it's all good. :) I actually didn't know what a nixie was for the longest time until the other month. XD and I was one of the better technicians on my ship regarding my understanding of electronics. :P
@GoodGnewsGary
@GoodGnewsGary 2 года назад
I see what you did there.
@Gunbudder
@Gunbudder Год назад
8:20 we also have a flying torpedo that gets launched from the P8 now!
@silverado0938
@silverado0938 2 года назад
Now this is freaking cool
@hanktorrance6855
@hanktorrance6855 2 года назад
As part of a coordinated battle group, I think the ship would be adequately protected, particularly if we presume that the aircraft could deploy defenses and counter measures. On her own....no, capital ships would be "sitting ducks" but again, on their own was not really how they were supposed to operate. Thanks for these fascinating looks at the ship, her history, and life on board.
@tcpratt1660
@tcpratt1660 2 года назад
From sitting duck to ruptured duck in three hours or less, see the IJN Yamato during Operation Ten-Go...
@Dave-zu1fv
@Dave-zu1fv 2 года назад
162 days until my visit to the USS New Jersey!
@jamesrichardson1326
@jamesrichardson1326 2 года назад
New Jersey is pretty old at this point. I don't see her being reactivated anymore. Great video though
@charleschris4123
@charleschris4123 2 года назад
Fire Intercepts
@patrickradcliffe3837
@patrickradcliffe3837 2 года назад
there should be a set of "rattle bars" that could also be streamed with or in place of the Nixie that was unpowered accoustic noise maker.
@rerd6614
@rerd6614 2 года назад
Great video! I would like to learn about the AN/SLQ-32 and other jamming defence against incoming missiles. Especially the likelyhood of successful jamming against soviet shipwreck missiles fired by the Kirovs or Slawas.
@CharlieK92004
@CharlieK92004 2 года назад
Thought for a video idea, by satellite view, explain what types of ships are in( for instance )the Philadelphia navy yard and others?
@georgedistel1203
@georgedistel1203 2 года назад
Nice explanation of the nixie system so did they only cary 4 of them ?
@phillipbouchard4197
@phillipbouchard4197 2 года назад
Thanks Ryan for another off the tour route video location. Are you planning to do one of the Helicopter Control Station in the future ?
@BattleshipNewJersey
@BattleshipNewJersey 2 года назад
2 videos for you ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bfM8BjdMG9U.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7h-gco8_pVE.html
@robertsistrunk6631
@robertsistrunk6631 Год назад
Well the battlegroup that was assigned to her would be more than enough i would imagine
@robertn2
@robertn2 2 года назад
On Makin Island CVE 93, My father told me that they fire at a mine. As what he describes mostly small arms weapons from the officers and senior enlistments.
@recoilrob324
@recoilrob324 2 года назад
As the submariners say: There are submarines and there are targets. Modern towed antisubmarine devices are pretty smart and (I think) able to detect incoming torpedo's and then depending on what kind of homing device it's using deploy countermeasures. But more important are the detection systems you hope will detect the sub before it can launch at you. Helo's dropping sona--buoys then relaying that information back to the ship from altitude which extends your reach over the horizon...which can then triangulate the sub and deploy ways to destroy it. I know they were working on anti-torpedo torpedo's but don't know how they're doing with it. The Russian SHKVAL cavitation torpedo's would give you not very much time to defend especially if it's not coming in on a ballistic trajectory but maneuvering for the kill. Nasty business.
@gordonlawrence1448
@gordonlawrence1448 2 года назад
Interesting. I had forgotten about this tech. There is also other tech used for torpedo decoys IE the 5 inch room equipment on a submarine. That could work on a smaller ship. Plus some types of sonobuoy can be set to "echo" mode for active systems IE they can record on a loop about 2 seconds of sound from the ship then repeat it themselves. As for the anti-torpedo, torpedo's these have been worked on in one form or another for 50+ years. I can remember it being proposed that Mk 54 (I think) inch helicopter launched torpedo systems would be ideal. However they would be modified with a blast rod warhead rather than shaped charge. I don't think this ever got further than concept stage.
@keithmoore5306
@keithmoore5306 2 года назад
80's era torpedos wouldn't leave a wake Ryan! i don;t think a nixie system would have mattered anyway they'd came at her with wire guided keel breaker torpedos!!
@memadmax69
@memadmax69 2 года назад
They still using nixie and degaussing today, along with dropped acoustic decoys as well.
@axelrajr
@axelrajr 2 года назад
they still have the degaussing systems on modern stuff. i imagine the A/C was more for dehumidifying then comfort.
@c.a.mcdivitt9722
@c.a.mcdivitt9722 2 года назад
I have heard there was a upgrade discussed for the Iowas that would have seen the rear turret pulled off in favor of a Mk 41 VLS?
@Mariner311
@Mariner311 4 месяца назад
Was Nixie LPO aboard USS Kitty Hawk in 1996 - also wondered about it's need - though the Soviet wake-homing torpedoes MIGHT have been distracted. Nixie was under the ASWModule control. Got to agree with others that a battleship or carrier really only could make use of an ASW system like Nixie - they're too loud for passive sonar, an ASW division takes up more space and berthing... the small boys should be doing the ASW to keep subs clear of the capital / HVT ships. A CARRIER has an ASWModule to analyze the data brought back by the embarked ASW Aircraft - we had no passive sonar... well unless you had crazy AW/ST types who might throw a passive sonobouy over like we did when we had an ROK sub alongside to "cheat" and start the tracking 30 minutes before he exercise FYI - MAD (Magnetic Anomaly Detector) did NOT "Dip" - on helicopters it "streams" behind the bird on a cable, and on fixed wing birds (Orion & Viking) it was affixed to the rear of the aircraft as a "boom".
@mpeterll
@mpeterll Год назад
I just had a thought: Instead of rock-paper-scissors, did sailors play destroyer-battleship-submarine?
@scottbruner9987
@scottbruner9987 2 года назад
Ryan, To answer your question at the end, yes, I do think she was properly equipped with sensors and countermeasures. Both directly her own, and those of embarked helicopters. My reason for saying this, she is still there..... never sunk.
@thatkancolleguy
@thatkancolleguy 2 года назад
she was reactivated against a nation that at the time didn't have the type of weaponry he was talking about. A battleship like that would not survive a war against a modern power like China or Russia in the configuration she is in. As stated she has next to no submarine defense and while some of her AA is modern its sparse. She would serve as a propaganda tool and that would sadly be about it.
@scottbruner9987
@scottbruner9987 2 года назад
@@thatkancolleguy I guess I should have mentioned that I was replying to the part of the question: "at that time", not against a possible current enemy. But she never traveled alone.....
@TXGRunner
@TXGRunner 2 года назад
In other videos, you discussed meeting with other ship museum curators (e.g. BB Texas, North Carolina, and most recently The Sullivans), have you have met or spoken with the folks working on IJN Mikasa or the ocean liner Hikawa Maru? Have you ever seen those ships? You said previously, you don't generally like ships out of water because of the long-term damage. I understand Mikasa was placed in concrete to meet the obligations under the 1922 Washington Naval Treaty. Is she flattening out?
@nickgriffin5835
@nickgriffin5835 2 года назад
Can you do a video on the Revolt of the Admirals?
@Sed1676
@Sed1676 2 года назад
Really enjoy your channel. I’ve visited the Iowa up in San Pedro. In regards to anti submarine defense, why wasn’t the New Jersey or Iowa equipped with the Asroc system when it became available?.perhaps the ships were decommissioned by that time. Thanks! John Harris Oceanside, Ca
@williambacker6581
@williambacker6581 2 года назад
i had one of those on my ship LPH-7
@Odin029
@Odin029 2 года назад
As far as modern countermeasures, it seems like the US Navy is throwing a lot of money and research into laser technology for anti missile defense since you can't fly a missile faster than light. As a smart man once probably said, "If you can track it... you can kill it." And this is the first I've heard of the anti torpedo torpedo, but seems like a good idea to me.
@wst8340
@wst8340 2 года назад
Lasers are useless in fog or misty conditions, Plus they need multiple seconds to damage a target,Good for slow moving drones but useless against high speed threats,
@Odin029
@Odin029 2 года назад
@@wst8340 This is early in the evolution of lasers as real weapons. In the beginning radar didn't work well in the rain. Early laser range finders didn't work well in the rain, but now radar works fine in the rain and even commercially available laser range finders will work in the rain. Maybe the technology will be a dead end, but not because of rain or fog.
@redcitadel8354
@redcitadel8354 2 года назад
@@Odin029 I think it will be more a power issue, if you brute force enough power into the laser, the attenuation from rain/fog will be overcome, but it would take a ridiculous amount of power to just ignore the fact that its foggy out and hit a missile from any decent range. But who knows, maybe we will find a way. Also, the anti-torpedo, torpedo, has been a research subject for a while now. But I believe are only just becoming practical. They effectively track an incoming torpedo, attempt to get within a close distance / direct contact, and explode to destroy the incoming torpedo. It's a lot easier underwater to destroy as the shockwave will still mess it up if it's close, probably easier than the US-supplied anti-rocket rockets that Israel uses. The Iron Dome Missile Defense System. I would assume the torpedo's work on a similar premise.
@loosh5101
@loosh5101 2 года назад
At about 4:00 there's a filled in circle over Ryan's shoulder which looks to match the one visible above the "E" and "R" in the nameplates. Window for a crane operator in the pre-Nixie days? Sheltered lookout position?
@quazy1328
@quazy1328 2 года назад
That looks like a old Manitowoc VICON boom hoist drum.
@ashman187
@ashman187 2 года назад
BB = Banger off the Back
@67daffy
@67daffy 2 года назад
I used to deploy Nixie when i served RAN
@CidVeldoril
@CidVeldoril 2 года назад
I would assume that New Jersey would still not suffer from being too large or "slow" or easily attacked. Supercarriers have the same issues and like supercarriers, New Jersey would not enter battle solo, but as flagship of a fleet or taskforce. Defending the BB would be the job of other ships, while the BB's job is to use those big big big guns to explodiate the enemy.
@tcpratt1660
@tcpratt1660 2 года назад
Commenter awarded "Distinguished Drachism First Class" for "explodiate"!
@c1ph3rpunk
@c1ph3rpunk 2 года назад
Yea, it doesn’t need much for sub defense, it wins through sheer force of will. And an entire group of other ships around it but “sheer force of will” sounds cooler. It’s also super cool that despite resigning they named it after President Nixie. Wait, or was it the grocery store down south, Winn-Nixie. Hmm.
@B1900pilot
@B1900pilot 2 года назад
Did they install “Prairie Masker” on New Jersey during her last commission?
@johnross6314
@johnross6314 2 года назад
No.. Dick Cheney cut that out. And was part of the Bush Bot One brigade the started gutting DOD, especially the Navy and AF from his time late in Reagan years, Bush One years, and Bush Two. He is/was horrible strategic player. As bad as McNamara (JFK/LBJ days), and the various DOD chiefs in the Clinton days. That is bad to the point of criminal. :)
@freedfree7933
@freedfree7933 2 года назад
Has a big fish ever bite one of the sensor thing?
@pbyguy7059
@pbyguy7059 2 года назад
Hey if a person volunteered to paint anything you want you'd let them into plenty of off tour spaces right? Cuz I'm a REALLY good painter
@QurikyBark32919
@QurikyBark32919 2 года назад
Would the South Dakota’s or North Carolina have a better representation of NJ’s WWII era catapult plane setup? Or does it not make a difference?
@stevenckaroly
@stevenckaroly 2 года назад
When you go into a compartment, can you explain which division is responsible for it? In this video, I saw S2 on the bulkhead during your intro. S2 was the food service division. I know the galley and bake shop are in the general area of the fantail. They, obviously, wouldn’t have maintained the Nixie. I also saw OE division, one of the operations department divisions.
@5commandomerc
@5commandomerc 11 месяцев назад
S2 usually denotes "military intelligence".
@stevenckaroly
@stevenckaroly 11 месяцев назад
@@5commandomerc not in the US Navy (except in the Seabees). S1, S2, S3, etc., are Supply Department divisions on a ship.
@wolfhalupka8992
@wolfhalupka8992 2 года назад
again, it boils down to "never send a capital ship out on her own". unless you intend to get sunk in a heroic but futile battle. when USS Iowa visited my home port, very many years ago, she was accompanied by USS Ticonderoga for air defense and some frigate (sorry, can't remember that one) for anti sub warfare. I seem to remember that it was suggested there would be a SSN joining the group to reinforce that anti sub thing if so required. that makes perfect sense, as either you can kill other subs using your own hunter-killer, or you can prosecute underwater contacts using the frigate and the helos.
@calebvaldecanas8867
@calebvaldecanas8867 2 года назад
“Unless you intend to get sunk in a heroic but futile battle” feels very targeted against the Yamato😂
@wolfhalupka8992
@wolfhalupka8992 2 года назад
@@calebvaldecanas8867 in fact it wasnt- I was thinking of several incidences in the Atlantic theater of ops, during WW II, not wanting to name specífic ships.
@calebvaldecanas8867
@calebvaldecanas8867 2 года назад
@@wolfhalupka8992 makes sense, although the Yamato is still a prime example of what you were talking about
@AdamSmith-kq6ys
@AdamSmith-kq6ys 2 года назад
Battleship _New Jersey's_ torpedo defence was the attached destroyers, as I understood it...
@bubba99009
@bubba99009 2 года назад
Sounds like the new anti-torpedo system was given up on as ineffective and removed from ships it was installed on (or was in the process of being removed a few years ago).
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