In the Mind of Colonel Jessup: The Savior Complex 

..either way I don’t give a damn💪🏿

I see what y'all did there😏😉

@@normanndaba8823 very intelligent answer, deep thinking…

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Added to that, no one asked him nicely…

was it an analysis of the character? It felt like a movie recap.

Oops my bad haha 😬

@@inthemindofavillain nah its all good man. I actually liked it👍👍

On top of that, Jessup didn't run an Army platoon. He is a Colonel in the United States Marine Corps.

Kind of like Magneto,survival of the fittest,if you consider mutants as fittest

DAMN RIGHT. Jessup may be a High ranked Officer in the U.S.A. Military, so he's on the side of the Good guy's It seem's by the Uniform he wear's and That he's IN the Marine Corp's. But the Truth is, he's REALLY ONLY fighting for Himself. AS Jessup is a egotistical and egomaniacal and arrogant fool who think's He has the right to make up his own rule's an law's and he thinks the actual Law's and rule's are inferior to him. Jessup was 1 TWISTED CRUEL MESSED UP S.O.B. And im REAL HAPPY He was Shut Down. It REALLY show's him the Hard way He's Not invincible and He's NOT Above the Law like he So Delusionaly believes He Is. All the stuff he says in the courtroom scene is just BULLSHIT Excuses which Only fuels his Paranoia and shows us All how insane he is. We have PLENTY of Other High ranked Officer's out there in the U.S.A. Military who are skilled an Now FULL DAMN WELL how to Fight an Lead and Protect our Beloved Nation, But of course, cause Jessup is a childish delusional arrogant idiot, He thinks that He is the ONLY 1 capable of Defending the Nation and he seems to also believe I think he "OWNS" The Marine Corp's. Col Jessup DEFILED ALL the Marine Corp's and its code Stands for with the Bullshit he pulled. I REALLY wish we could have actually seen the look on his Face when Later on he is COMPLETLY STRIPPED Of his rank and Dishonorably discharged from the Marine Corp's which We ALL Know is EXACTLY Which is gonna Happen to him. It would have been SO MUCH FUN to see him Kicked outta the Marine's and See his Face as he Realizes Finally there TRULY IS Other's who DO of course outrank him and have Power over him.

Frollo from The Hunchback of Notre Dame is the perfect example of this message. Just because he’s a religious person doesn’t mean he’s incapable of committing evil deeds in the name of God, when, in truth, he’s doing them in service to his ego.

Heck, it even comes down to simply justifying doing what you think is right for your side. Remember General Zod in Man of Steel: "Every action I take, no matter how violent or how cruel, is for the greater good of my people". He literally wanted to genocide humanity in the name of saving his own race. This shows how Jessup and Zod are truly among the most dangerous men you could ever encounter.

The US military are far from being "the good guys"

Well put, nicely said.

Yeah maybe. ... He's probably done a lot good things, before this situation (Santiago) ... People from his squad have probably been promoted, as excellent leaders, going elsewhere in the country. ...

It's just time. His ego was peaking, off the charts when the Santiago problem happened. And because of his anger, he didn't stop to think maybe the *Dr.* made a *wrong Dx* .

it's because they follow orders or ppl die. is that simple. Are we clear??

@@carlostejada1479crystal

The movie assumes troops are morons. Typical hollywood stereotype.

I couldn't agree more!

No, their only mistake is that they broke a rule created by some candyass, liberal politicians who never served a day in the military, yet they think they’re qualified to write military doctrine. I love the movie, but I hate the message.

You’re the first to point out that error 🤭. Major narration oopsie. 😬

Sir, Kaffee literally is coffee in german so yes, you absolutely can, sir.

@@domanz1you missed the point. This is an English language movie.

@@jeffchampeau Sir, point taken, but you forgot to call me son, sir.

That’s possible but Jessup would’ve known too, from the fact of Santiago’s repeated collapsing from heat exhaustion.

The doctors at MEPS (Military Entry Processing Station) and at boot camp. They get examined at MEPS, and everything is OK. At boot camp, they do another exam. I went through MCRD San Diego, and I lasted a week. I got sent to Balboa Park Navy Hospital for another examination. It was loose over there IE no bed checks, you get to watch TV, read books, newspapers, and magazines. I got to eat what I want. I was intervied by a Navy pschyatrist and a psychologist and about a week later. I was declared that I was not suitable for military service. I was given a new set of civilian clothes, $500 and a one-way ticket on a United Airlines Boeing 737-200 to San Francisco.

> Jessup is a good illustration of someone you would want in a foxhole with you He's the kind of guy who learns nothing from war except how to win it. He learns nothing about peace, humanity, or morality, because to him, war is the highest calling of man.

Santiago's medical problem may not have been manifest before he got to Guantanamo. We aren't given much information about it, he could have got some mosquito bite and got sick or food poisoning or maybe something else that deteriorated his health there that was not a problem previously. Without any such knowledge it does not make sense to talk about how he would not have made it into the service.

@@stevenwilson5556 Yeah, but if were something like you described, would not that have been disclosed as a reason to transfer him off the base? In real life, such a thing would be disclosed during the investigation, would it not?

@@ZetaReticuli_ a lot of things might happen different in real life than in a movie, but I have seen enough weird shit in the past couple of years to really question all the "in real life" stuff. Real life is far too weird and absurd to logically predict what will happen "in real life"

@@stevenwilson5556 I the last two, going on three years now, life has become much stranger than fiction. I'll give you that.

im sorry for you.

I hope things are better for you now.keep strong

Sounds like your father was/is a narcissist.

I hear but you gotta admit your father made you tougher. The world isn't fair man. You gotta get through bullshyt in life or you will crumble. God bless you man.

@@jaronbridges4784 you’re assuming his intention was to make me tougher. It was instead to set me up for failure so he wouldn’t feel like a failure. There are some sick people like that. I learned that I had to cut him off and find my own strength. Some people break you down in order to put you back together and make you grow. Others just want to control you and keep you weak

The doctor admitted that he was not a criminalist and couldn't have possibly been diagnosed Santiago's heart condition, given his own ego & lofty position and godlike attitude. He saw Santiago as a fake, a gold brick, too lazy to perform calisthenics or putting in roadwork endurance training!! The one innocent person in this movie was Santiago, then LT D. Kaffee, he was put into an impossible situation, who was being stonewalled at every turn, by both defendants and Prosecution witnesses!!

Awesome commentary

Spot on

Nathan Jessup saw himself in Lt Kendrick when he was a junior Officer!

Great analysis.

That's what I like about Markinson. Unlike the other two he never forgot his humanity and that's why he remained humble. He should've been promoted to full bird colonel not Jessup.

Thanks!

@@inthemindofavillain Stop calling them soilders. Their marines not soilders.

​@@robertisham5279 Its the same.

@@robertisham5279 *they're

Howdy hi hi Richard Steele That assessment was exceedingly well written. I enlisted as a 19D Cavalry Scout in the U.S. Army back in '89. And like Santiago, I suffered from undiagnosed ailments that limited my capacity to perform. For me the chronic illnesses are known as: Factor V Leiden, Antiphospholipid syndrome, and ocular migraine. I can attest to the supplemental disciplinary actions taken by certain individuals. I was fortunate enough to recognize that the environment in which I found myself was not a place where I would thrive. And as such I requested discharge, and was by the grace of those whom do hold honor in their hearts, was granted that request. At the time, a reduction is the total number of military personnel was being enacted. But I can also attest to the brutality of some individuals who saw the recognition of one's limitations as an athama. And who did make every effort short of obvious self incrimination to wield their authority to punish as exceedingly as they were able to enact. Choosing, as did Jessup, to act through others. Who lacking knowledge of the limitations placed upon such disciplinary actions. It was clearly hoped would inflict grievous injury. Once the day of my discharge was upon us. The soldier who was assigned to torment me, took me aside. Made sure I understood that he had been acting under orders. This was something I was already aware. He expressed that I had at the very least earned his respect. Because no matter the methodologies employed. He felt that I had acted with honor and respect for uniform, the flag, and the Army. And that he had, in executing his orders brought only shame upon both himself and the Army. I don't know what ever became of that soldier. Nor of the Drill Sergeant who issued those orders. But I do know, that within our armed services. There exist, side by side, men and women of both the highest, and the lowest of character.

Marine officers are not as cruel or fanatical as Jessep was shown to be. They are tough, strict, gung-ho, extremely disciplined, etc. But they are not arrogantly stupid or reckless.

I thank you for your service to our nation. I did not serve in the Armed Forces, but I was a police officer for a number of years. Regarding the people in charge of defending our nation, I stand with Colonel Jessup on this one. I realize it’s a movie so, the whole situation is hypothetical. That being said, I do believe that our “trained professionals“ shouldn’t be catered to. It is this very mentality that is putting our countries safety in danger. I want men who can only think of destroying the enemy that dares to challenge them. I think our soldiers should crave the taste of Chinese, Russian, or North Korean blood. Directly through poor judgment in leadership, our military is, apparently, going woke. This is not a good decision. This will give a strategic advantage to our enemies. Similar to what Colonel Jessup says, weak men in the military puts lives in danger. Recently, I watched an ad put out by one of the branches of our Armed Forces. Soldiers discussing what their preferred pronouns are. If garbage like this continues, this country will fall. America is the only superpower on the planet. We’ve obtained that title by not giving in… by sheer force. It is only by our military mite that we are who we are. It took a long time to get here and, it could all collapse in an instant. I don’t care about anyone’s political affiliations. I do care when those ideas creep into our Armed Forces. Does anyone truly think that the Chinese are above polluting the heads of our military? Is it so far fetched to believe that the greatest threat to our country are those who seek to weaken the men that are willing to die for us? This is not a joke. Many members of Congress have been infiltrated by China and, openly, take sides with them. It will not be long before they sabotage our military and bring our country flat on its face. I don’t think China or Russia is teaching their military men to get in touch with their emotions and identity. Lest we forget, China has over 2 million soldiers and Russia outguns us, in terms of the nuclear arsenal. Our enemy is beating us without firing a single shot.

@@robert_costello I think I understand your point of view on this. Certainly there is there is more than just merit in ensuring that our fighting men and women are up to the job. And from my own experience I can assure you. That there is no training if effect that is teaching them to get in touch with their feelings or identity. What has happened however, just as it did previously with the issue of race. Is that our military is realizing that there are untapped human resources that were excluded for reasons that have nothing to do with the fighting efficiency or ferocity. As a law enforcement officer you must fully understand that there are rules of conduct that you are expected to follow. And if you disregard those rules, I expect that you understand that there will be consequences for such failure. As you may or may not be aware for this movie. Col. Jessup disregarded his orders with respect to having untrained soldiers enact disciplinary actions under their own authority or via direct order. Rules of conduct had been established for the very reason featured in this film. Pvt. Santiago gave his life under circumstances that under the uniform code of military justice should not have occured. Even if Pvt. Santiago was a so called sub standard marine. His death robbed this nation of any and all service he may have given during his lifetime from within the civilian populous. By Col. Jessup's own testimony, his marines follow orders or people die. But he sought to excuse himself from that same standard. Col. Jessup failed to follow his orders. And someone, perhaps many someones, died because of it. Per your reference to Russia's nuclear arsenal, it really doesn't matter how many warheads there are above the point of being fully capable of completely annihilating one's enemy in a nuclear exchange. The full release of any one of the arsenals of Russia, China, india, or the united states would essentially end our lives as we know them anyways. It doesn't even matter where on the planet they were detonated. The ensuing particulate matter in our atmosphere would desimate food production and effectively end at least 95% of all human life within a few short years of such an event. North Korea, France, and Great Britain would most likely need to combine their arsenals to have the same impact. Per your reference to the number of military personnel within China's armed services. Yes they do out number americans two million to one point two million. However, to match that two million, it would take somewhere between a hundred and fifty thousand, to two hundred thousand U.S. troops. This is due to the vast superiority of U.S. weapon systems. And the degree to which U.S. troops are trained. Nearly one point eight million of that two million troops of China's. Have virtually no training whatsoever. With the gear that does exist going to the two hundred thousand troops who are well trained. This means that the vast majority of China's fighting force is basically the equivalent of civilians. Russia suffers from this problem as well. But not nearly to the extent of China. As such, you can rest easy. Neither China, nor Russia are truly peers to the united states in terms of military might. At best the phrase near peer is most appropriate.

@@empathyisonlyhuman7816 nature The miniseries _Band of Brothers_ made a point worth pondering with the story of the vain, arrogant and cruel Capt. Herbert Sobel. The point, which other officers in his regiment agreed with, was that cruelty within limits is very effective in training - even if an officer is incompetent at his duties (as Sobel was). Sobel killed or injured nobody. He was arrogant but he wasn't stupid. He simply believed putting his soldiers thru hell was a sacred trust. He was also fair enough about it to treat his junior officers no better than the lowest grunt.

Thank you!

Yeah but Jessup was especially a dick about it - Is the point I think the narrator's making. ~ Went WAY into his (perceived) personal shortcomings, and everything.

@@martindebrois1472 Agreed, but not all civilians understand military protocol. That was my point.

@@militarypsychologist7255 Ok maybe.

Bullying carried a moral weight of its own, as long as it enforced the will of society. In organizations like the military, it still does carry that weight, because it forges unit cohesion and "it saves lives."

Yes, everyones right. But everyone loses.

His mistake is believing that there is no higher moral good than the job he does.

Jessup has a high opinion of himself and doesn’t take kindly to anyone questioning his authority.

Thats a possible option too, my guess is perhaps he was requesting to transfer to a non combat vocation rather than leave the military entirely. Perhaps also if he were to resign, he may have gotten even more flak from his commanders, given Jessup’s approach to training.

Resign? You cant resign. There is a phrase in the military. DX. It means direct exchange. If an issued piece of gear you are signed for breaks, you take it to supply and "DX it". If its not performing up to spec, but not technically broken, sometimes servicemembers will intentionally, secretly, finish breaking the thing in order to DX it. If you, as a leader in an infantry unit, get issued a soldier or marine not up to the rigors and stresses of combat, you absolutely give them hell. One of two things will happen. They'll acclimate. Or you get to DX them. But you've got to break something to DX it. Is it warm and fuzzy? No. Does it save lives? Yes.

@@inthemindofavillain . True, I too was wondering.

@@nickanna8857 . Your justification is not reasonable to believe

@@rajufrancis374 it's reasonable, for the military. It's just wrong as hell. Both parents were in the military, both have mental health issues.

He would have understood that "just obeying orders" was not a working defence, in the US at least since Maj Wir after the Civil War. The problem, the two young Marines might not have known about Andersonville Prison, but they knew about illegal orders as well. As for the spelling of colonel, I think I will buy Webster and change...nah.

You give Jessup far too much of the benefit of the doubt. From what you wrote, the moral world of the infantry is not to be interrogated by the greater world, not even in peacetime. That the system provides freedom is not to be questioned. There are no greater moral questions, only matters of individualism. The greater world's codes of conduct are nothing more than metrics and externalities. Of course Aaron Sorkin wanted Jessup's soliloquy to be compelling, to invoke basic realities, to make a certain kind of sense. Otherwise it would have no impact on the audience. Jessup has to come off as a highly intelligent man who has sworn himself to the simplest, starkest principles. But Sorkin also wanted to raise questions about those principles...starting with "the manner in which I provide" American freedom, if in fact Jessup and the Corps do provide it.

Not at all. My battalion commander was a Lt.Col., and he didn't know the names of half of the men in his unit : maybe all the commissioned officers, but that was about it.

Military doctors tend to be macho and will close ranks..all they see is strength and excuses .

@@boshirahmed Fair enough. But Jessup wasn't an MD, and this was all he had to go on.

Those are the rules, it comes down to bring effective, was he effective, in the film he is not as could have done things differently..

To be fair though, most Officers and Warrants tend to address each other by their first names if they are of the same rank or if they are addressing a subordinate Officer. I’m not exactly sure why this is (I’m an NCO) but it’s not necessarily a symbol of arrogance by itself.

100% agree and I appreciate the comment. Some of those parts were just speculation. The rest were as it happened in the movie.

@@inthemindofavillain Yes, very important to see what’s there and not what you’re making it out to be. I guess that’s why we have art and art critics. I hope there aren’t a lot of art critics assessing the deeper meaning of Qanon? You tell me. Not that that was here, but do you know the shear number of Qanoners we have?

@@thetruther954 'you want answers??

@@carlostejada1479 Unless I already know them. You got any?

@@carlostejada1479 I'm not waiting for a gay response, am I? You asked me. John.

In hindsight, you’re actually right and I would edit that portion if I could. Kaffe should have been more aligned with military decorum, especially when interacting with a full bird colonel.

Are you implying that they don't have the right to question it?

I rather You Say thank you and go by your way

He’s a fictional character.

No, most people can't tell the difference.

You’re the second to point that out. But you’re right, it’s an error.

You people that police the way others pronounce words are annoying. Did that somehow ruin the video or make it irrelevant because he didn’t pronounce a name right?

I have a close friend who is a head psychologist, in the US Military... He's in charge of assessments. He says while maybe not in the '90s, a 'Nathan Jessup' *would* get flagged, today.

My bad, thanks!

Mistakes were made 😔

That’s what you took away from the video?

*Minds* like his decided the Holocaust (GENOCIDE of certain people, that would make the world better) was ok.

Jessup was not "old school", but an arrogant and self-serving prick. Rather than having Santiago's physical and medical condition looked into properly, Jessup insisted that he be brought up to standard, without considering the damage this could do to either the unit or Santiago. He subsequently gave orders that (unintentionally) led to a man's death that could easily have been avoided, then tried to cover up his involvement. This shows that, despite his rantings about "duty" and "honour", he failed in his most basic duty as an officer - taking responsibility for any orders he gave - then acted dishonourably by lying about it. Jessup only cares about himself and his ego, rather than those under his command - a basic principle of leadership. He lives in a fantasy world with himself as its saviour. If you still can't see that after watching the video again, then you have serious issues.

@@johndoe6298 why you hide behind an anonymous name, scared?

the old school wasn't always right. where do you get that from.

The issue was how he conducted himself. He went on a big rant about how much he values honor and loyalty, but where was his loyalty to his men when they were going to take the fall for his order? Where was the honor in valuing his career progression over the lives of two soldiers who followed the chain of command unquestioningly? We see numerous times throughout the film his hypocrisy, his martyr/god complex, how he believes in the rigid adherence to the chain of command... Until it reaches him. Never does he show any respect towards those ranked above him unless directly called out on it. A broken clock is right twice a day- you gonna rely on it to get you to work on time because of that?

@@om3ga109 I don't use a clock, I look at the sun, and how did he conduct himself, like a Vietnam veteran that was shown little to no respect when they came back, which is why he went on his rant, because he had a right to do it, and to humiliate the navy guys, and he didn't have to answer questions that's why he went on his rant,

Agreed, the speculation on the background went a tad too far in this one, it’s been toned down or nonexistent in subsequent videos.

Let's be clear. Jessup was NOT just putting Markinson in his place purely in the name of command. Markinson voiced a legitimate concern about the effect on unit morale. Jessup's response was that his exec could only have done so out of jealousy toward Jessup's rank and decorations. No background needed. It's all in the dialogue. It's a shot across the bow. He's telling Markinson, "You have no right to second guess your commanding officer on any matter concerning the good of this unit. If you think you have that right, I will assume it's your ego talking. And my ego can beat yours right into the dirt. So I am shutting you down, and you will _stay_ shut down." And Markinson stays shut down. He _lives_ the chain of command, and when it fails, he cannot go on living. His suicide note to the Santiago family says, "Your son died because I wasn't strong enough to stop it." What he doesn't say is that he saw it as his duty not to stop it.

He is not

​@@human6631... Lol exactly. He's only a hero in his mind.

Soldiers. Soldiers. SoldiersSoldiersSoldiers SoSoSoSoSoldiers. Soldiers.

i mean pushing reality on non realit is like idk .. lets count the midiclorians in Anakins's blood .. and make it a CNN n BBC headnews ... ppl wud defiantely take it as real .. in todays' fake world XD... idk if im gettin thru but why makin so much shit ... yea okay i see .. the channel if it grows and enuf idiots listen to it . then can be monetized .. sheer truth .. but i wanna rather stufy idk .. the bipolar disorder of stontes and waves on the sea ... instead of colonal jessup ..

Dude, it was just a little flub-up ...

How? He certainly has Savior Complex - He thinks his *existence* , + every decision he makes is *saving the country* ... Every week. He's an egomaniac to the Nth.

Umm no. - I think there's somebody I don't know SOMEWHERE BETWEEN a 'Jessup' and a TG, who might be *good* . 🙄

We called it blanket parties.

so the circumstances that made Pfc Santiago anything other than a shitbag do not concern you.

"Anyone could understand his actions... When it came to the coverup." ...Brilliant. I mean that, it's not wrong at all, I completely understand why a criminal wants to conceal their crime from the public, especially when their career is at stake. They're still fucking wrong though. What uh, what exactly where you trying to say there? What exactly were you trying to justify?

Funny joke, Nick.

He disobeyed orders for a start

Jessup was probably revered by his soldiers. He had a strict code of discipline and honor even if he didn't apply it to himself.

@@chuckoaks6756 He had no honour. His actions led to the death of a young man, the suicide of another, and the impending imprisonment and career-destruction of two promising and dedicated marines, and instead of taking responsibility he tried to cover it up and escape justice.

Col Jessup failed in following the code of the Marines, "to fight for those who can't fight for themselves." Private Santiago needs the outmost help to move him closer to home and he denied him of it, out of Pride.