In Trousers (1985) 

Thank you so much! I was so lazy to actually do it 🥺🥺

Jamies Sunflower No Problem!

ur literally an angel thANK YOU

TYSM OML THAT MUSTVE BEEN A HELL OF ALOT TO DO

@@koolaidman8656 You mean a... Helluva lot? I'm not sorry for a helluva pun

YES! YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT! Sometimes the themes are clear as day and sometimes it's up to interpretation, I love discussing certain plot points with others, because we all understand it in such different and unique ways!

It's so sad what happens in falsettos.

At least Trina does find someone who will happily hold her

He didn’t “try to love” Goldberg he was groomed.

Mendel fr aint doing anything 😭

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@user-gj8ei2pp7ftrue. Marvin says that he no longer has a physiatrist in act 2 of Falsettos since Mendel is with Trina now

he only has one on the jewish holidays 😢

Especially when the show seems to blame Marvin for being groomed

Slay

You're a god for this honestly

YOURE AMAZING I love this interpretation I also love to see somebody giving a reasonable theory other than Miss Goldberg is a creep because it seems everyone forgets that Marvin fantasizes and recalls all of these things from YEARS ago so half of it isn’t even true/didn’t occur.

this is some delicious interpretation 10/10

Oooo yes i agree and I also think she sort of represents his struggle with sexuality as a whole

That's such a beautifully smart way to put it! And the fact that a teacher is exactly the kind of person a child denying their true orientation may fixate upon because they're utterly unattainable...oh gosh it's so perfect and saaad

absolutely. not to mention with what little we hear of marvin’s mother says she’s cold and withholding- similar to how ms. goldberg treats him. not to mention how her lack of interest in him means she is likely safe- in that she’ll never return his affection like trina or sweetheart do.

there's also the interpretation she sexually assaulted him, and he reframes the narrative to look like he wanted it

SHE GROOMED HIM.

You're my favorite character in life simply for your sentiments regarding slide-kun the SHSL whoosh

YAS

It's because is May 27th

REAL

@@Radiosilencing IM SO HAPPY ABOUT IT THOUGH in trousers needs to become more well known

@@azurazy IM ACTUALLY JUST GETTING STARTED ON IT, IM COMIGN HERE FROM FALSETTOS 2016 REVUVAL

@@Radiosilencing OMGGGG UR SO LUCKY TO BE WATCHING IT ALL FOR THE FIRST TIME 🤞🏻 YOU SHOULD TOTALLY WATCH THE BOOTLEG WITH THE OBC FROM 1993 ITS SO SO GOOD

LMAO have you seen falsettos? honestly just read through the comments on it on genius or somewhere. the first time i watched falsettos i had the same problem, then i rewatched it more carefully and understood it, now i have no problem understanding in trousers

@@lenaurban7706 oh yeah!!! no i’ve watched falsettos a million times i was just trying to be funny! i’ve read so many comments on genius too i swear, i’ve like, written essays to my friends about the characters and stuff. and i’ve watched in trousers a ton of times too!

@@this_is_creative9395 LMAO OMG IM SO OBSESSED WITH FALSETTOS TOO I RECENTLY GOT MY FRIEND TO WATCH IT AND NOW WERE BOTH OBSESSED AND KEEP ANALYZING IT. NOW SHE ONLY HAS TO WATCH IN TROUSERS

@@lenaurban7706 YESSSSS I GOT MY BEST FRIEND TO WATCH IT BUT SHES NOT AS OBSESSED AS I AM BUT SHES THE ONE I WRITE MY ESSAYS TO

i need it

I would give anything for one

I didn't know this! Wow, good for them! And yeah! They kind of revived the In Trousers fandom, now THAT'S a legacy

That was exactly my reaction

@@grimamies I would be surprised if that was everyone's reaction

I was having a perfectly cry-less morning until I read this

OMGG

@@jayan7112 OMG I never understood that lyric this is so sad 😭

They really did

DO YOU HAVE A VIDEO OF IT???

@@Eel-7 😔

have you guys seen this college's production of falsettoland?????? Its this entire cast + actors for mendel whizzer and jason ITS LITERALLY AMAZING.

​@@Eel-7was it on youtube or vimeo or what? there must be a chance someone has it right..... IT CANT BE GONE I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT WATCHING IT💔💔💔💔

You mean the og ones or this college production?

Hello fellow Hazbin hotel fan

Hazbin and a theater kid….your fucked brother.

Nah

Yep!

Yeah I'm currently trying to find all the songs form the original musical but I can only find the 1979 version (not the 1985)

Yeah but did u know Lisa and Lizs' full names are both Elizabeth

@@raz8869​​⁠yeah but did u know that liz’s middle name is daria and lisa’s middle name is andrea

@@M1CR0P0P Yes i did! i know liz lombardis current occupation and address too

@@raz8869 oh fun! i ended up finding all of their full names in a college directory while looking for a picture of the actors but i didn’t dive that far deep

@@M1CR0P0P yeah, if you go to the yearbooks and look up their last names, they're pretty easy to find 😅

in some parts marvin is 14 and in some oarts hes an adult Also before its too late then imma just r/wooosh myself

@@Meretrix2 I know. It was just a joke I made a while back!

@@Jewbeep my bad i knew it 😭

yeah we’ll ignore that

yes 😁😁😁😃😃🥰

thats Bill Finn for you

I'm sorry there's what now

Good

I am so confused too my goodness Reading the comments here that seems to kinda be the point, and idk how to feel about it hahah

so sigma

@@skibidi4429SO SIGMA

I feel all this so strongly ugh

Is there a recording or something if the original in trousers???

@@user-hi1gk9vp1xonly the soundtrack

I agree with the two children idea, but according to interpretations, the parakeet has been seen more as a metaphor for relationships then an actual real bird because there are lots of metaphors in this lol because it's just a fever dream lol

bro are u kidding me thats exactly what happened to me

​@@teethgiver Holy cow which tiktok did you see

Me too wtf

I’m here bc I’ve had a rlly big falsettos obsession lately and I decided to watch this too 😭😭

@@teethgiverMIDORI?? HELP??

Yes and they also took out your lips and me which is a literal crime

@@oldprincebolkonskyiscrazya782 uhmm and marvin takes a victory shower too dont forget about that bop of a song 😤

Where can I watch the original version? Is it on RU-vid?

@@n03mi no i think the original was performed in the 70s so-

@@gnarlybootsrag Ohh alright thank you

its mor about chest than it is chess

​@@Thismightjustbeclaypuppingtonnah it's more about blowers then about chess,and,you're right,I feel like the Falsettos Fandom HEAVILY infantilize Marvin,as a Marvin and Falsettos fan,and even strangely relating to Marvin..in..some..a lot of points,anyways like I said it's kinda annoying how the Fandom is making Marvin seem like an innocent when he was a huge dick for half the play-

@@Grilledcheesecake so true like "yeah he did slap his wife but poor Marvin he's such a baby" no he's not

@@Thismightjustbeclaypuppington YES! I SAW A COMMENT SAYING "POOR MARVIN HE'S TRAUMATIZED BY HIS TEACHER" When ms.goldberg didint even have anything to do with that! That's how I perceive it,she got annoyed with Marvin and let him in the play,and then Marvin,THE GAY TEENAGER he is just.. Dreamt about r-ing ms.goldberg,because he was confused,like his fantasy with Whizzer,THAT'S IT

@@Grilledcheesecake Like even if she was grooming him R@PE fantasies is where the line is drawn. LIKE NOOOOOPE. come on Marvin.

Yeah! I've always thought the 1985 rewrite was a more explicit version of the original for those who found it hard to understand or, as Chip once said "A fever dream" haha

Probably cause here they used the revised version, which i think its from 1981( or 1985 i cant remember). in a panel William finn said he shouldnt have rewritten it. i do like the og songs better for the most part tho

nausea before the game is a Huge loss

I don’t Want to be that guy but litterally all of those songs were my favorite. Bro the world will never know how good victory shower, nausea, survive the night are.

@@CoriLane3060where can i listen to the songs that aren’t in this production? i’m sure i could find them if i looked but if you had a link you could send me that would be great!

@@alyssa8902the soundtrack is on this RU-vid playlist: ru-vid.com/group/PL6Z7-7o8WP1IEaeT7cbeOzaouSlhBGlSR&si=P52Xxru2JfwxGVmf

Its about marvin trying to prove to himself he aint gay by getting into relationships with these women but then whizzer comes along and marvin accepts his sexuality. The songs represent the relationship marvin had with these women

So it’s a frame story: Up until ‘How Marvin Eats His Breakfast’ is the night he spent in Trina and his home after she found out he cheated on her with Whizzer. HMEHB up until “Breaking Down” is him laying in bed reminiscing over how his life up until that moment. Him being 14, denying he was fantasizing of men, his high school sweetheart who wanted to get physical and he refused viewing her as a friend at best. He convinced himself that he just didn’t like young women, and that Miss Goldberg was clearly the perfect woman, and he tried his best to fantasize about her putting her on an unreachable pedestal. “Marvin always gets the things he wants” “except the things he wants...” Could be a clever word play, because Miss Goldberg can clearly tell Marvin’s a gay theatre kid and is actually pleading he should “accept the things he wants” Then he gets older, meets Trina, they hit it off, we know from Falsettos that their marriage was rushed on account of Trina unexpectedly pregnant with Jason. We see this wedding. Trina is happy she gets to be his wife, Marvin views this as a funeral instead of a wedding. His future sealed. Trina suspects something’s going on. Marvin’s distant. He probably found a woman he loves more and is cheating on her! Who is this woman?! It’s Whizzer Brown and he went down Trina found out! Marvin spent one final night in their home, packed his things, had breakfast over sugar with Trina, left her a letter coming clean about his side of their marriage. He’s happy with Whizzer but it’s a big adjustment of his lifestyle. Trina tries to adjust to sleeping alone after a decade. High school sweetheart was always a bridesmaid never a bride, drinking away her sorrow as an adult, Miss Goldberg also seems to be without a lover herself. Marvin finally got his fantasy come true of everything happening in trousers only, no skirts. The Columbus stuff was an allegory of Marvin’s marriage, putting him in that role of the school play was to center him in that metaphor “Marvin’s Giddy Seizures” are absolutely an illusion for arousal. He was unable to have a giddy seizure like ‘the old days’ until right after he slept with Whizzer. A symbol for passion, a symbol of Marvin’s sexuality. He was definitely postering it as a teenager even if he didn’t actually feel attracted to that girl. She did seem to know, “is it something he made up or is it medicinal?” It’s not genuine and she knew it. But after Whizzer? His laughter and joy was genuine, it’s the brief time in the show he’s happy: Whizzer Going Down and Marvin’s Giddy Seizures (reprise)

@@heath6802 this is so helpful tysm!!

​@@heath6802Where in Falsettos do they say that Trina was pregnant when they got married?

@@fools4jules I never wanted to love you “My father cried, you’ll marry, you’ll marry” Trina’s father insisted that Trina marry Marvin so the child would not be born out of wedlock. Marvin was okay with it because he did want a child “I just wanted to see my face in yours” so he married her to keep Jason in his life, despite him knowing he is not straight

Thank you! My native language is not english and since it's an old recording I found it a bit hard to understand at times, that's why I added subtitles! I hope it helps others like me

@@grimamies and thank you I love you (si eres latinx ti quiero)

I KNOWWWWWW

Me too she’s so pretty ( no homo) I seem to picture her character as sweet yet a bimbo

When is Nausea Before The Game. I couldn’t pick it out

@@belllllaaaaa1392 Nothing is solid when it comes to In Trousers, but I always assumed it happens in the same time period as Love Me For What I Am considering that it directly precedes the song on the 1979 cast recording

@@belllllaaaaa1392 Nausea Before The Game is only in the 1979 cast recording. It is unfortunately not in this production of In Trousers as this is a later in production version of the script/musical (the 1985 version)

In my opinion they still gave his character the same way of thinking and acting through songs what was expressed well so this version didn’t need it, but I respect ur opinion ^^ love that song

I feel you, your lips and me is my absolute favourite and i am so sad its gone

I LOVE YOUR PFP >:]

WAIT REALLY??

YEAH I LOOKED UP THIS COLLAGE AND HE WAS THE FIRST PERSON THAT POPPED UP AND IT TOLD THAT HE WENT THERE@@grimamies

It was produced the year after he graduated sorry my mistake but these students were still there when tucker carlson went there

This is supposed to be kinda pre falsettos. Falsettos is made up of acts two and three.

The trilogy is In Trousers, March of the Falsettos, and Falsettoland. Falsettos is the final two of the trilogy of one act musicals

its the prequel actually, so this is marvin before coming in terms with his homosexuality

Same

Hope you got your sleep

No- no you got it wrong.. Miss Goldberg is just a teacher,it's just Marvin's confusion about his sexuality here's a post from Tumblr that explains it So no, I do not believe there was a physical rape, as it wouldn’t really make sense story-wise (it makes your main character completely unsympathetic, which doesn’t seem to have been the prerogative of William Finn) and it just doesn’t suit the overall building of tone. Note: High School Ladies at Five o’Clock is described as a “calypso fantasy” - which would make sense of their song pairing (as you see in the cast recording of the 1979 version, a single song is entitled “High School Ladies at Five o’Clock / The Rape of Miss Goldberg by Marvin” as in they paired these two short songs together). Both songs do not truly take place in the narrative but rather in teenage Marvin’s mind. Through these dreams, I believe teenage Marvin is trying to figure out just what he wants (does he want to “rape”/sleep with a woman like Miss Goldberg? Or does he want to “screw his friends” - in other words, men?). So, this means that no, Marvin did not rape Miss Goldberg (at least not in the physical, literal sense of the word). However, it does poise a question of to how he affected her (because he did affect her in the narrative, as evident throughout the musical), and if a “rape” (a metaphorical one, of course) really did occur. Throughout the rape scene (It should be noted that it is cut into “scenes,” just like Marvin at the Psychiatrist. I believe this means that - like the Three-Part Mini-Opera - these scenes take place several days apart at least), Marvin is more transfixed by her glasses rather her breasts or genitals. Actually, he makes no real utterance of an attraction to her physically (he just says that he thinks she’s “cool”). moreracquetball Anonyme a demandé : Whats your interpretation of "The Rape of Miss Goldberg" from In Trousers? I know its probably not meant to be taken literally but how do you perceive it? Well, let’s look at the (1985 Version) In Trousers for the answer to whether it is “literal” or not: As you can read, the lines: a fantasy which is better abstracted. So no, I do not believe there was a physical rape, as it wouldn’t really make sense story-wise (it makes your main character completely unsympathetic, which doesn’t seem to have been the prerogative of William Finn) and it just doesn’t suit the overall building of tone. Note: High School Ladies at Five o’Clock is described as a “calypso fantasy” - which would make sense of their song pairing (as you see in the cast recording of the 1979 version, a single song is entitled “High School Ladies at Five o’Clock / The Rape of Miss Goldberg by Marvin” as in they paired these two short songs together). Both songs do not truly take place in the narrative but rather in teenage Marvin’s mind. Through these dreams, I believe teenage Marvin is trying to figure out just what he wants (does he want to “rape”/sleep with a woman like Miss Goldberg? Or does he want to “screw his friends” - in other words, men?). So, this means that no, Marvin did not rape Miss Goldberg (at least not in the physical, literal sense of the word). However, it does poise a question of to how he affected her (because he did affect her in the narrative, as evident throughout the musical), and if a “rape” (a metaphorical one, of course) really did occur. Throughout the rape scene (It should be noted that it is cut into “scenes,” just like Marvin at the Psychiatrist. I believe this means that - like the Three-Part Mini-Opera - these scenes take place several days apart at least), Marvin is more transfixed by her glasses rather her breasts or genitals. Actually, he makes no real utterance of an attraction to her physically (he just says that he thinks she’s “cool”). Of course, her glasses are one of the many metaphors and symbolism of In Trousers, of which that don’t have a concrete meaning. Her glasses could be sex, or confidence, or control, or fear. Really, it can be any and all of these things, and we’ll never really know for sure which is the intended metaphor (again, it’s all up for interpretation). However, we do know that whatever it is, Marvin wants them. Not just so Miss Goldberg could be stripped of them (and here’s what I think the rape really is - Marvin took something away from her, but it wasn’t physical or sexual. It was metaphorical, like control or confidence or fear), but so Marvin could possess it himself (after the “rape scene” Marvin is shown to be wearing Miss Goldberg’s glasses). This leads me to interpret the glasses as either self-confidence or control, both of which that teenage Marvin (undergoing a sexual awakening that scares and confuses him) would desperately want to possess. It’s clear throughout the play that Marvin admires Miss Goldberg (see: My High School Sweetheart), and he might - in his weird cocktail of sexual discovery and confusion - confuse that admiration and envy as sexual lust. And so, by “raping her” (again, in his dream, and again, not physically but of a metaphorical sense), Marvin “gets the things he wants.” Because he got to physically sleep with her, didn’t he? That should satisfy him, shouldn’t it? But then Miss Goldberg adds, “Except the things he wants” (so the entire line would be “Marvin always gets the things he wants - except the things he wants”). So, Marvin “got” Miss Goldberg (which is something that he “wanted”) but he didn’t truly get what he wanted (as in, to sleep with a man). Also let's.. Stop infantilizing Marvin?? The guy's a huge jerk for like, 2 musicals out of 3

And it's also like "Whizzer going down" Whizzer never gave a.. Blowie.. To Marvin.. Atleast not yet.. It's just Marvin making up fantasies

@@Grilledcheesecake THANK YOU FOR THIS IVE BEEN SO CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT IT REALLY MEANT

@@FalsettosFreak you're welcome :3

@@Grilledcheesecake From my gathering of this production Marvin was literally raped by his teacher, he is painted as the victim of a paedophile

Just keep in mind if you ever leave your wife for a man and she decides to marry your psychiatrist, you do NOT hit her

@@mysticalturtle9889 Thank you for the advice lol

@@mysticalturtle9889 Also never trust that psychiatrist, he's lousy at his job

get well soon

@@sandraohs_wifeforever haha, thanks.

i'd suggest you check out the lyrics on genius! Then the lyrics start to make sense, i remember the first time i hated it because i had no idea what i meant lol

It's actually a prequel to falsettos/march of the falsettos

I forgot to turn on captions when I first watched this and I had headphones on, 3 Seconds Murdered me too

It's the first ever "Marvin musical" This was literally Bill's 1st ever show.

Same! I never knew that there was other ones part of it

it would be chaos

I say have all 3 acts together to make a Franken-musical

in trousers has a really different song style being obvious but also metaphorical, while falsettos is literal but subtle. In trousers also feels like it has distinctive songs to show sudden snippets of a life, while falsettos have seamless musical progression. In trousers may need to be workshopped again to compensate the style difference, but it’s my wish nonetheless to see the trilogy in one.

@@shawnbay2211 Compared to Falsettos, In Trousers has little to no narrative structure and mostly shows moments in Marvin’s life in a vignette style. Because we have Marvin introduce the conflict in the beginning of the show, we already have an idea what had happened in In Trousers. I feel In Trousers is a really intriguing character study of Marvin and how he navigates through life, as well as the lives of the women in the show.

Fr but I still love it

same gorly

tbh I find it more normal than the chip one

*original one

@@mazzeyyis there a recording of the original in trousers with the songs that were cut in this version??

@@aleksandrala7810 if youre talking about the 1985 version then not really although there is an LA production from 2019 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nK2ns62oGqI.html the channel has the rest

True!! I have also seen a couple of theories abt this being either symbolism or Marvin’s recall of it rather than a literal thing. Marvin’s perspective isn’t completely accurate because of his “giddy seizures” making him an unreliable narrator (he says smth like nothings exactly like I say it is). The symbolism part is either just to emphasize that they’re sleeping together (cigarette after sex trope), or because cigarettes were typically associated with lesbians it’s to place Whizzer in a more feminine role in their relationship? Obv the musicals were written at different times but I still think they’re interesting ideas :)

Maybe he used to smoke but quit? 😅

“lights another cigarette” is a sexual metaphor lol

I saw someone say that Whizzer never smoked the cigarette he only lit it. He could’ve lit it and handed it to Marvin. So it could still ring true that Whizzer never smoked, Marvin might have though

It's a sex joke lmao

yeah... but i mean, its not even the productions fault really 😭 im pretty sure they're using the 1985 libretto (which according to my research, may be the only published version, and the 1979 libretto including nausea before the game, your lips and me, etc.. was just never published??) which cut a bunch of songs and added a bunch more to.. make the production "make more sense" im assuming? but it can be argued that the production makes even LESS sense with some of the changes.. like sure some of the songs are make "in your face" with their meanings but the story over all is still all over the place

I don’t know a lot about this show, could you tell me about some of the bits they cut?

@@miraglaser4766 yes!! so, i don't know about what bits of the actual scripting/dialogue was cut out in the 1985 libretto since the 1979 one seems to be unpublished, however i do know the songs that were cut out!! (some of these songs are also detailed in the description of this video) that being "Your Lips and Me" "Your Lips and Me Reprise" "The Nausea Before the Game" ( although the track that accompanies "The Nausea Before the Game", called "Love Me For What I Am", was not cut in this version) "My Chance to Survive the Night", and "Marvin's Victory Shower". there are also some tracks that are still featured in both versions, but significantly changed. for example, "Marvin's Giddy Seizures" was originally sung by Marvin, referring to himself in third person, instead of Sweetheart singing it. And "I Am Wearing a Hat" was originally sung by Ms. Goldberg. you can listen to the original versions of the songs as well as the songs that were cut in this playlist: ru-vid.com/group/PL6Z7-7o8WP1IEaeT7cbeOzaouSlhBGlSR hope this helps!

@@yaricalamari thank you so much! if you don’t mind could you tell me a bit about what the songs are about?

It kinda does you just have to watch it on a loop for a year and hope to go insane so it makes sense

the other one is jason

there's no dislikes now bc youtube thought that was a quirky fun silly goofy thing to do

THEY'RE NOT SHGFDSHJ, the only real fact was that he owned the Niña, the Pinta and the Santa Maria

@@grimamies it was only a theory. Never proven. He also started a genocide against natives

@@Zzzk23 Oh! Tbh I thought it was, and yeah, he was truly a horrible person, its sad to see people legit praise him as a "discoverer" still, hell, even MY OWN COUNTRY IS NAMED AFTER HIM (Colombia, I'm colombian, born here lived here all my life) IT HONESTLY SUCKS, however, most people understand his shitty ways and thrown down statues of him, but coming back to In Trousers, its kinda nice to see Will Finn poking fun at him in this musical, but I totally see where you're coming from.

They aren't but he's a gay icon. He did name America after Amerigo Vespucci.

@@Jewbeep THIS IS MY NEW FAV COMMENT

🥺🥺🥺 Thank you✨✨✨

scrubby dubby

Dubby look at Marvin take a shower look at Marvin in the tubby scrubby dubby

dubby he is soapy with the soap he uses

why cry??? 😭☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

Same, hon.

You're welcome! I hope you enjoy it!

I knoww!! i was so sad when i found it they had privated it :(