Before anyone else comments "Of course you didn't like it, you're an adult judging a movie made for kids", let me just say that there's this one movie that was made for kids, and I still consider it excellent, even as an adult. It's called "The Incredibles"
Who the fuck would say that? You are telling me that people are getting mad at for judging a sequel to a movie that was out before modern kids were even born yet? This movie was clearly meant partly for adults considering they even had a behind the scenes thing before it started that said "we are sorry we made you wait for 14 years". And that is completely ignoring the fact that "its for kids" is not a valid argument for something to be bad. And I despise that mindset.
Probably because Bob’s boss, Dash’s teacher, and Bon Voyage aren’t in it, which are 3 characters that gave the first movie a lot of personality, so Incredibles 2 is an indirect semi-sequel.
LOL, good one!!! The Incredibles waS great enough to be either its own standalone movie because Incredibles 2 turned its own franchise into Sonic the Hedgehog where then, the main characters used to make fun of cliches, but recently, things became cliches themselves.
@@gaboogarciaav Everyone saw the superheroes. They didn't see the underminer escape, did they? They didn't see the fight. The fight took place inside the underminer's drill. Not outside. *No one saw it.*
@@iheartheartssss Everyone saw him before when he destroyed half of the parking, saw his appearance and how his giant drill destroyed the city bank. I'm sure that both the press and the police had an explanation for the tremendous destruction of the city, which didn't go unnoticed.
@@iheartheartssss Like irl, a case like that has to give information about what happened and how it all ended. People deserve an explanation for something like that, especially in a world with superheroes.
You missed a great opportunity to say "The Incredibles 2 is a great movie and sequel" and then play the teacher from the original movie yelling "*I THINK NOT!*"
did they ever even talk about him again or did he just easily get away with all that money and property damage? like i dont think anyone, even government and news in universe even mentioned him after, like he was never there at all even tho he in an indirect way caused the entire rest of the movie to happen, AND GOT AWAY WITH SEVERAL MAJOR CRIMES!!!! seriously at least one person had to have died or been seriously injured during that sequence
@@birb125 there was a video game taking place after the first movie where you deal with him (never finished it because 9 year old me was a scrub in the later levels).
Critics: Paper Mario The Origami King Has a frustrating ring puzzle for combat. When Some people want to enjoy this new Paper Mario game for what it is: *COMBAT IS COMBAT!!*
I think that Brad Bird was trying to include some more weird designs because he thought it would fit in this crazy world of superheroes. Honestly I didn't mind the designs
I want to know how in the world they keep their identity secret when they're normal civilians. I wasn't around back then, but I'm pretty sure most people in the 1960s didn't have bright blue hair.
@@maroonggirl I thought the movie took place in the early 2000s? I thought the 19s was when Helene and Bob were younger and when Supers were outlawed; it's been awhile so I'm probably wrong.
They looked so gross to me. You can clearly tell that these were the first final sketches for their side character ideas, and they just rolled with them. I genuinely wanted to throw up watching them- especially the old frog guy.
@@danmakes2497 It's in the 70s or 80s. I'm not sure which year, but on the newspaper in the first one, when Bob reads about Gazerbeam being missing (or his normal day persona, rather), there is a date from that time. Additionally, there is room to speculate that Bob fought in WW2. The era also explains why Bob could be sued, with different types of legal immunity for state actors only being created in the 70s or 80s, if I remember right. This also fits with the cars and with Television being pretty new, being the official reasoning behind Screenslavers actions. It even fits with the math reforms performed to compete with the Soviets, explaining the "Math is Math" scene. It also explains the look of the buildings of that company of the brother of Screenslaver.
Even tho I hated how Violet was potrayed, I do appreciate Vowell making her sound more mature, she sounded like she was growing. T. Nelson & Hunter however, made their characters sound like grandparents!
@@kumikamii Cuphead kept getting delayed, but people were still excited for its release. And when it was released, people were blown away by how great it was. So I was comparing them for the concept, not for a direct comparison
Fun fact: I was hyping up for both Incredibles 2 and Ralph Breaks the Internet and I was cynical towards Spider-Verse because its studio made The Emoji Movie. But both of them ended up disappointing me and Spider-Verse subverted my expectations in the best and outstanding way. Most of the new superheroes sucked, especially the Fortnite Guy and the "Chad" Clopin. "Chad" Clopin's character desing is so laughably bad.
The issues: 1. Pixar didn’t make Fronzone ask for his super suit 2. Edna didn’t say Edna darling. Honestly this could have redeemed some of the movie for me.
I disagree. It would mean the writers would just re-use jokes because of internet popularity. It's the worst thing you can do for humor, aka, repeating it because of the memes, despite the fact that memes are themselves boring repetitions of the same joke.
They actually did. There's a deleted scene where Frozone battles his wife for control of his super suit, and it's wicked funny! I have no idea how all of the great ideas from the deleted scenes never made it into the movie, and I'm shocked that the final cut ended up so unbelievably average.
After she stops the train, and the screen says "welcome back, Elastigirl - Screenslaver" her eyes widen like she recognizes the name, at least that's what I thought it meant at first. I was really excited that this would be some recurring villain that Elastigirl had fought in the past, someone who had a cat and mouse game with her but disappeared when she went into hiding because there was no point without her, and came back after seeing her fight Syndrome's robot and the Underminer on the news. It was super disappointing to get a lame twist villain instead, I think that would have been such a cool plot! A villain from her past to compliment Syndrome, who had started out as Mr. Incredibles biggest fan and turned evil when he was shunned by him. When Bob is surprised that she used to have an Elasticycle, she says "there's a lot you don't know about me, eh, you didn't miss much," but they just never build on that in the movie?? I really thought we'd get a more Elastigirl centered plot, and we did, but the whole time she was just fighting someone who was letting her win and pretending to be her friend the whole time just for a twist betrayal. Also the moment she pulls off the pizza guys mask and he's acting all confused and not knowing what's going on, like the conductor on the train and everyone else who'd been hypnotized, she would have immediately pieced together that this young 20 year old dude wasn't the screenslaver and was just being controlled like everyone else.
Woah, Screenslaver being an old enemy of Elastigirl sounds immediately so much better! And it definitively felt weird, how much in the beginning the movie kinda promises to build up, but then none of it ever really happens... I was also really disappointed when she didn't connect the dots with the pizza guy, you'd think from all the previous scenes that she'd be smart enough to realize that.
The biggest thing that bothered me personally, is that they NEVER bring up the fact that literally almost all the old generation of heroes were genocided. Like, there was even a character in the MOVIE obsessed with the classic hearoes, but no mention of their deaths, THE HEROES THAT DIED WERE EVEN IN THE MOVIE IN A FLASHBACK. It makes me so upset, and honestly feels like a huge middle finger to the previous movie.
Yeah I gotta be honest, that part coming to light would be a better argument for legalizing supers as well, since their isolation was part of what let Syndrome kill as many as he did.
I became incredibly angry over the major plot hole that is BRICK. Like, Mr. Incredible in the glory days was like All Might, the number one hero. And then this closeted hero Brick is introduced, and when they 1v1, Brick shows strength that FAR surpasses Mr. Dad. And as far as I know, Mr. Dad has no other powers, so why is he such a big hero? Why wasn't Brick the All Might of this universe??? WHY WAS BRICK A WANNABE
Pixar wasn't owned by Disney back when Incredibles came out, Disney wouldn't have ever let Syndrome waste all the Supers in the first movie if they had executive control, that's why it never gets mentioned.
ReDiculous22 @ everyone in this thread, go check out the deleted scenes for this movie! theres actually a big scene where they address everyone being dead because of syndrome and mr incredible gives a big speech about it in front of a buncha mourning people, basically a mass funeral of some sort. it does seem a bit out of place for the tone of the final movie but i agree it wouldve been nicer if they’d addressed it in some sort of way, even if small.
Dash was reduced to a one dimensional psychopathic "comedy relief" character who only knows how to shout his lines, like when he desperately attempted, several times, to fire missiles from his dad's car into innocent civilians. Hilarious.
I think I finally realized what bothers me about this movie. TLDR: The 2nd movie discontinues the 1st's main themes of being stronger together by separating Elastigirl from her family for the majority of the film. LONG explaination below. In the first movie, Mr. Incredible/Bob has this whole complex about needing to do everything himself. He wants to keep his family safe, he doesn't want Helen to know he lost his job, so he secretly leaves on the mission. When Elastigirl/Helen finds out what's really happening, she immediately sets out, leaving her kids behind - to keep them safe. Obviously, Violet and Dash sneak onto the plane anyway. During his time on the island Mr. Incredible realizes he can't do everything alone, that he needs his family's support. And from the moment they all meet up, they continue to fight together through the climax with Syndrome. Hell, even the final shot of the movie has them prepared to fight the Underminer.....TOGETHER. Cool, right? So to have a 2nd movie where Elastigirl leaves her family behind to do her own mission just feels so....pointless. Why not have them all set out on a mission together? If they wanted to spotlight Elastigirl, they could've gotten separated or something, in a way that doesn't diregard the entire 1st movie. Like sure, they all do come together at the end, but I wanted to see more of that throughout the film. FWIW I enjoyed the 2nd. It's a good movie, just not a good sequal. Anyway, that's my deal. If anyone has thoughts feel free to share.
I completely agree. This is summed up in the scene from the first movie “I’m not strong enough”. I felt the same way. This movie should’ve been about them all being superheroes throughout the entire movie. I read someone’s story idea somewhere a year before this movie came out that had all the characters aged and Jack Jack was the villain. I like that better as an idea than the movie we got.
@Andrew Brindley Also Syndrome was just objectively more entertaining to watch. I was getting into the screen slaver during that apartment fight. Afterwards, it was all downhill.
I just don't understand how Helen looks younger yet thiccer 15 years later Edit: I realize no time has passed in the movie, I meant that she looks *younger* and *thiccer* somehow, despite being the same age. It's been 15 years since the last movie, and Bob clearly looks like he's older.
I'm the one man on earth who never wanted a second _Incredibles._ I LOVED the first movie, and was thoroughly convinced that Pixar would blemish its good name with an inferior sequel. I was right. I hate it when I'm right.
I share your opinion. I always said about the first movie: the end is not a cliffhanger, they don't need a second movie after the first is obviously complete by itself. In my case, unfortunately I was wrong.
Why am I the ONLY ONE who is upset that they found out ab Jack Jack's powers at the end of the first one but there was still like a whole subplot about finding out Jack Jack has powers in THIS movie??
Because in the first movie they actually don't discover that Jack Jack has powers. When he is fighting Syndrome, Elastigirl says something like "What's happening?" letting you know that they can't understand what is happening from that distance.
@@federico6690 The movie actually expected to believe the family was stupid enough to not know jack jack had powers! 1. The voice mails carrie sent only refer to a "replacement" at the final mail. 2. Decker had to know something from someone that the baby had powers to interrogate carrie! 3. Bob could listen clearly to syndrome when he said "I will get your son eventually!" & Also, why would jack-jack wait 3 damn months to show his powers?
@@jalslair1229 There was no Mozart played in the Parr household after Kari left. This made it less likely that Jack-jack needed to use powers. Bob did not necessarily hear Syndrome. Throwing the car at a dangerous murderer who just tried to take your son does not need further prompting. The voicemails were vague and did not necessarily demand that the family (who had a lot on their minds and were already under the impression that Jackjack had no powers) investigate Jackjack's "Special needs" which may or may not exist. Kari isn't in Helen's mind a reliable narrator.
@@michaelmccarty1327 in reason 3, I bring it up, cause people use it to back up how "they couldn't see or hear!" And the boom comics were more thoughtful on jack-jack's powers.
@@jalslair1229 What evidence is there to support that Bob heard anything Syndrome said? We the audience can hear it, but Bob did not need any further reason to throw a car at Syndrome
Evelyn Logic: I'm going to help the good guys defeat the bad guy so the good guys can come out of hiding... and I'm the bad guy... and I don't want the good guys to come out of hiding... why am I helping them?
Carlos Plata So once they are out of hiding, I can turn them evil. People starting to believe in supers just to get their rug pulled from under them will make them hate supers more than if the supers just were evil to begin with.
Evelyn Logic: My plan is to make Supers illegal. So Imma bring one out of retirement, renounce their illegal status, just to enslave other Supers, showing how they're a threat, thus the public clamouring to make em illegal! Even though they had already been illegal for years at that point...
The airplane missile chase scene in the first one was better than even the climax of the second one. Seriously the scene still gives me goosebumps and raises my blood pressure to this day. Just my opinion.
It's because of the stakes in that scene. We see a mother panicking because that missile might just be the end of both her and her two children, and it's creeping ever closer. It basically showcases Helen's maternal instincts under intense fearful pressure. Also, the climax of the second movie is just a boat going a little bit too fast. The climax of the first one was a giant city-destroying unstoppable robot that Syndrome no longer had control over. There was a whole lot more at stake. The death of a couple supers and maybe a few beach-goers isn't nearly on the same level. The fact that it may or may not result in Supers becoming illegal again is also way too vague and uncertain to actually be a threat, and it basically tries to tell the audience that the public will turn on literally every super because of the actions of a few, which is quite unrealistic.
As a mom, that scene is SCARIER now than it was when I was a kid, and I didn't think that was possible. I really finished it recently for the first time in years and thought "Am I holding my breath like I don't know what happens???" lol
Best part of the movie for me was when Bob got frustrated over Dash's math homework because that's exactly what my dad did when I was in school. Like almost exactly word for word. I liked how Bob was trying to understand how to be a better father during the movie as well. Otherwise the movie was alright. It had good moments and... odd/bad moments but I enjoyed it for the most part.
I swear Bob's 'being a better dad arc' was the only good part of the movie that actually made me feel something. I wish it was written more entertainingly but it overshadowed by the action plot that wasn't even very good (which is ironic bc Brad Bird's films were really more about emotions than action).
Yeah, exactly! Nithing is wrong with kids movies that are not that great for adults, but the kids movies who work just as well if you're older are what you should aim for. Children live if the movies they watch are deep and introduce them to mature themes (in a way that fits their age if course, like Elastigirl fearing Bob is cheating), and the shallow mivies will just be forgotten once their older
Disney's making their movies too long and they need to STOP with the twist villains. They're so bad at it. The new designs are shit, the setting is shit and it ignores the time period it is set in. The movie reduced the complex mom to the tired "feminist" archetype that Disney keeps using over and over. The voice actors sound exhausted and old 'cause they are. This doesn't feel like an impassioned Brad Bird movie, it feels like a soulless modern Disney. It's such shame. The first movie still holds up and I'd argue it's even better as an adult. The sequel? It's hardly appealing to adults or children, despite their efforts to give it an adult edge. Fuck this movie for making the first movie's ending pointless. Not aging the family was a stupid decision that made no sense. They clearly wanted it to be set in modern day, so why not make everyone older? What a waste of time and money.
"Tired feminist archetype" Buddy, you won my like. I disagree though with them starting where they left of because i believe more stories can be told at their current age than skipping ahead and making the older characters retired. I feel it would remove some of the dynamics. But i seriously agree that it made the first ending pointless. Especially after Tony gets his mind erased. That's putting Violet literally at square 0.
@@damotoneko1500 I actually groaned when it showed the start of the fight and the parents were refusing to let Dash and Violet help... I remember thinking "oh, great, they just destroyed all of the character development from the first movie and we are only 30 seconds in."
@@damotoneko1500 1. Main focus is not given exclusively to Elastagirl for the feminist propaganda. All characters are given focus and development just like the first one, and maybe with the A plot for her like it was for Mr. Incredible but not to such an obnoxious extent. 2. The children are treated with respect and not used as background decoration. 3. The setting of 1960's-ish with some scifi tech is maintained. 4. Totally different plot, no surprise villain, but still based around the idea of Supers finding a way to come out of hiding. Maybe have a plotline around super villains becoming more and more active due to the absence of supers and the government realizing it is safer and cheaper to let supers deal with them or something. 5. Or maybe just let a classic stand on its own and never make a new one because that's just derivative and stupid.
I did not like the new character designs. It didn’t fit in, all the supers before were normal looking humans. But the new character looks just felt too cartoony, almost like something from MHA.
I’m twelve and I see people saying stuff like, “this movie was made for kids and that’s why you don’t like it.” I can confirm as a kid this movie is not good.
I am 24 years old and I loved it. But people have different tastes. It's fine to dislike it. You and me are not perfect representations of our demographic
Whenever I criticize movies in front of my mom, she gets so mad saying that it's a kids cartoon and I'm just mad it's not anime, but I'm the same person who sees the flaws in anime movies/shows. Help.
This is why I hate the "kids movie" term being used for almost every movie merely because kids just so happen to enjoy them. It became a cheap excuse to defend rather weak movies.
Yes! As a 13 year old, I cant say that the excuse that this was a "kids movie" is stupid. Its just an excuse to let this movie be bad. Its not a bad movie, but its not good either
Here, let's fix this villain. Starting with the backstory, Evalyn and her brother should have had their parents killed by collateral damage caused by supers during a villain attack. Say, Bomb Voyage destroyed a train's rails many years ago, and the Incredibles couldn't catch it in time, and so their parents died because of it. Now Evalyn and her brother treat grief different ways, where her brother ends up going into denial, pushing down his grief for years, but Evalyn tries not to outlaw supers, but to destroy the Icredibles' and Frozone's entire careers by becoming the Screenslaver, who does whatever they can to make the Incredibles look bad, which begins to ruin their lives as the movie goes on, but they have no idea why. But as Evalyn starts to bond with Elastagirl, she starts to question her own motivation, since ruining Elastagirl's life becomes mor painful for Evalyn. Finally, when the Screenslaver has them right where she wants them, before she's about to ruin their careers, she tells them about her grief, and what they did. At that moment, her brother comes in, and they have a deep conversation about their grief, both of them opening up to one another, and she realizes what she's doing isn't the right thing to do. With Screenslaver's power and influence over the city, she stages a triumphant defeat to make the supers look good, and restore their status. This way she has inner conflict, understandable motivation, *heavy* impact on the plot, and actual sympathetic qualities that make her a great villain.
I don’t get why it was too hard for Pixar to come up with a strong villain even if it’s Evelyn Deavor of all antagonists (being proven by you to be perfectly capable of being a stronger character!!!!), other than Pixar, in mid-2018, happened to go from one of the most misogynistic businesses (that you’d think would be as great as most of its films) to a misandristic company, the way it handled main female characters by making them Mary Sues and Karens at the same time and call it “real female empowerment”. FU Disney!
I really didn't like that villain backstory. It felt so lazy and generic, it's like the most basic and cliche "tragic villain backstory" you could come up with.
Screenslaver's backstory was one of the primary reasons why this film fell flat for me. Forget just lazy and generic, it wasn't even logical. I had my fingers crossed the whole third act hoping a character would tell Screenslaver how stupid and misplaced her anger is. Also was really hoping her brother would tell her that he wished she had died instead of their parents but I guess that's too dark lol
I was watching this movie with my family in theaters, and half way through the movie my brother turned to me and said "I think it's Mark's sister." And I just agreed and we went over all of the clues of why it could be her and when it was revealed to be her we just turned to each other and my brother said "We called it" and I was just like "Yeah, pretty predictable."
This is my take on how they could’ve bettered the villain. They could’ve just had the same concept that the Screenslaver’s father was a big superhero fanatic and invested his fortune on them. He installed the phone shit and whatever. They could’ve had it that when they were being burgled, one of the super heroes did come in try to save them after the call. However, her mother called the cops just in case behind her husbands back. This superhero tried defying the new ban against supers and when the cops came, he could’ve beaten the burglar himself but he ran to protect his identity and family. Which resulted in the death of that guy. This could’ve helped perpetuate the idea that you shouldn’t trust your life in the hands of superheroes and that they shouldn’t be the crutch to your solutions. Superheroes are nothing more than just a deluded concept. The same delusion that got her father killed and her mother to die from heartbreak. Wanting to keep superheroes in the dark forever.
Hey fun fact this movie is called Incredibles 2 and the word “the” isn’t said through the entire movie. Not sure why that is but they did it anyway lol...
Thank you! Finally someone mentioned the other super heroes horrible character designs. They were such a downgrade from the other supers from the first Incredibles.
I agree, but too be fair, these were supers that had to come to be during the ban. There was no real chance for them to develop. Downgrade because they were in their infancy.
Personally I wished that they had used the 14 years of space between movies to their advantage! Like actually age the characters within that time gap! Seeing the kids grown up and what their world has become would be AWESOME! Maybe some flashbacks perhaps to when Jack Jack finds his powers or something, but that would have been so much cooler and entertaining to me.
Brad bird stated that he didn’t want to jump forward in time because it would either remove or drastically change the family aspect, which is what the whole franchise is about. I get where you’re coming from, it just wouldn’t work as good as you think it is in pen and paper. My main problem with the film is that it played too safe and remained in the shadow of the first film. It lacked a lot of complex emotion, and that’s a big thing that made me love the first movie so much. The incredibles 11/10, Incredibles 2 8.5/10
@@imasparagoose4451 Maybe jumping forward 14 years would have been too long, but a five-seven year jump? Violet about to leave for college, Dash now in high school, Jack-Jack an elementary schooler who can now have an actual personality? Or even a two year skip, maybe with heroics already legalized as the first movie implied. You wouldn't have to throw out the family dynamics, but they would shift and change... y' know growth. Honestly, it sounds like Brad Bird was too lazy (or lacked the imagination) to picture a family growing over time. A family doesn't stop being a family because the kids get older.
I feel like flashbacks in most movies are just cheap ways to move the plot forward. BUT I think Pixar knows how to use flashbacks really well to make us emphasize with the characters and love them even more (Jesse's flashback in Toy Story 2 is a great example)
@@StarryEyed0590 5 to 7 years is still long as hell by then lmao, the family dynamic would’ve definitely shifted substantially even by now The best they could do is 3 years or less
@@firefiy8789 we are talking about a guy WHO fought an 15 m over 2000 ton robot WHO killed dozens of supers and the same guy can't beat a guy with jackhammers now that's an low ball
Thank you for mentioning the absolutly AWFUL character designs of the new supers like they don't even look like they belong in the same universe. I can't believe someone drew them up for this movie let alone that a PROFESSIONAL and ACCLAIMED studio actually rendered and animated them and PUT THEM IN THE FILM. They all look so out of place.
Honestly, Incredibles 2 is fine as a standalone movie, but once you start comparing it to the original film (the villain being far better in 1 vs. 2) I2 is kinda disappointing.
I did like this movie, but I was a bit disappointed to see that the Incredibles only fought as a family at the beginning and at the very end of the film. I thought that since they were a team by the end of the first film, that the sequel was going to be full of action sequences featuring the Incredibles fighting crime as a team. But instead, as soon as the family moves to the motel, we get a scene of Helen saying that things haven't really changed, and that what happened on Syndrome's island won't carry over to their real lives. That the kids have to go back to pretending to be normal. It felt like we were going back to square one.
If Incredibles 2 was a B-movie, or even an independent movie with different character names and appearances, it would've gone to DVD within two weeks, at best.
Tbh the way they handled Violet was even more frustrating than what they did to Dash. During The Incredibles, she had such an amazing arc of finding her own voice and valuing family, and she played the part of the emo teen so well! Then, in the sequel, she looked more like a whiny kid than the badass teenager that had been such an icon and inspiration to me. “OMG, my crush doesn’t remember me. I hate my life.” Ugh. They basically erased all the progress from the first movie.
This was my biggest problem with the movie. They retconned the character arcs from the first movie. Walked out of the movie halfway through I was so frustrated.
wylinder in my opinion the main reason i thought this movie was meh was the villian. If the the villain had a better backstory and a better motivation the movie would be a solid A
juanto tree in all seriousness the main villain should have been someone else honestly. Or if they ended the movie with showing that the villain was wearing contact lenses that had a screen and it was like “ooooo wait another 14 years to find out what happens. Trust me guys this is gona be amazing”
Damn this was Shaff 4 years ago! He sounded so much more dull and not as confident at expressing what he feels towards something, really lets you appreciate who this incredible reviewer is today!
Scott Larson So did i. When they entered the building i was thinking “someones the villain” and i saw the sister “Yep... That’s the screenslaver” and although the movie wasn’t bad. It wasn’t that good.
They introduced and designed her horribly. I mean, her name is Evelyn Deaver. Evil endeavor. Who the heck approved of that? What's the point of having a surprise villain if you literally name her evil. Gah it's frustrating!
''an improvement over the first is the animation'' As much as I like the elastagirl sequence, I will put dash running scene from the 1st pitted against any scene on this one
Everything about the first Incredibles movie is amazing, there isn’t a single thing wrong with it. It would have been impossible to create a sequel good enough to stand up to it. But this sorry excuse for a sequel is laughable. There is no memorable scenes at all and the story is bland and uninteresting plus Mr incredible’s super powers are essentially nonexistent. A sequel to the Incredibles is definitely hard to do, but this is just awful.
This movie felt like a long version of what happens when animated films get tv spinoffs. Has all the same looks and characters yet couldn't be more lost from the original genius that was "The Incredibles."
1:38 Kinda a weak point, because it's literally his job to find loose ends, record what happened in their words, and then erase their memory of it. It's just consistency in canon
Personally, I really liked this movie, but I will say that it was painfully obvious that one of the Deavor siblings was gonna turn out to be the Screenslaver. I think that Disney and Pixar really have to stop doing these "twist villains" and just give us a regular villain for once.
The twist was that he wasn't the villain. The twist was super predictable, kinda cheesy, but I really liked the interactions afterwards between the two siblings. He didn't go along with her, he didn't change her heart via the power of love. She was stopped by the power of getting punched in the face if I recall correctly.
Shitty modern disney can't help it, they keep ruining potentially good movies with that garbage trope. Don't worry, Toy Story 4 will have a twist villain as well, despite the fact it had done twice already.
One thing that really irked me was the lack of Edna....she had roughly the same amount of screentime that she had in the first movie if not a bit less when she's clearly a fan favorite.
I think it was a good amount of Edna, but what was missing was Edna's impact. She utterly controls the conversation in the first movie,masterfully getting Bob and Ellen to allow her to show off her superhero suit making skills. Yeah she kind of did that for a second when agreeing to babysit Jack Jack, but Bob was so sleep deprived at the moment, I feel like anyone could have done that.
You know what would’ve made it so much better? If Evelyn wasn’t necessarily the main villain, but more of a supporting villain. Let me explain. Her motivations are kind of there-just extremely underdeveloped. Her grudge is against supers in general, so why target Elastigirl, aside from convenience? Contrast that with Rick Dicker. Mr. Incredible has caused countless headaches for Dicker, and we saw in the first movie that Bob’s weakness is his wife. Now after the Underminer fight, Dicker is jobless. It’s personal-like Syndrome’s motivations. And really, making that one change wouldnt have changed the storyline much at all. Dicker couldn’t act alone in terms of building up Elastigirl only to tear her and the rest of the supers down, but he runs into Evelyn, who has a grudge against supers, and the two decide to use their complimentary skills to rid the world of supers.
This film had so much potential if they just fleshed out the story and characters more, but they didnt. If only this film hadnt lost an entire year of production, it could have been a masterpiece like toy story 4 ended up being. I appreciate some of the ideas, the dialogue, and especially the action, but yeah, id give it a 6 or 7 out of 10
I gave it a 5/10. A 7/10 is definitely too good of a score to be giving to this lackluster sequel. Also thank you for being another Toy Story 4 stan, I love that movie.
@@Yimika777 I barely made it through the first season of korra (literally just watched through avatar the last airbender and started Korra this month because quarantine). I didn't even bother to start the second season of Korra. And I don't think I'm going to.
My school is currently watching the movie for whenever we have indoor recess, and I somehow managed to pinpoint exactly who the villain was just by looking at the character.
I completely agree. Honestly, syndrome was a better villain, he had a more personal connection with the heroes themselves, his plan was better thought out. In incredibles 2, the villain was not planned out and had so many holes in their scheme. It was so predictable that my friend guessed the identity of the villain before the character was even introduced. (Slight spoiler ahead) he said “so I looked at the names of all characters in the film, this guy has a yet to be named or seen sister, it’s probably her”
That short traumatised me. She just unhesitatingly ate her dumpling baby. Imagine your son is moving out and your first instinct is to go into a murderous rage and kill them
I just want to add that I absolutely hated the new heroes shown later on in the film, isn't this movie supposed to be set in the 60s? They dont feel like in the right time at all and it's really confusing. It feels like this movie just flashed forward by years and not a day like its supposed to be. To me it's not a good sequel but because the new character building/world building.
I know, the new heroes look like dorks and don't exactly resemble people like the first movie(except for Void I suppose). They don't fit within the world of The Incredibles, compare the side heroes from the original movie and the new one. The original heroes from the first movie were supposed to resemble humans more because when Mr. Incredible started all that legal trouble that made them go into hiding, they were supposed to blend in being described as "average citizens and average heroes" in hiding but I guarantee that if you saw Brick on the street using his real name and in citizen clothing and already saw him in his suit on T.V., you could totally tell it was him. The new heroes are very overexaggerated and stand-outtish.
@@thestoolthatyoungminbroke3388 I mean her figure is normal but her outfit is a little to colorful. If they tweaked the outfit, she'd be perfect. The original outfits for the side characters usually had darker color schemes.
The problem was that these supers felt totally wasted in the long run. They would have had a lot of potential if they weren't used near entirely as Evelyn's mindslaves. Instead they were just used as more background characters with little to no development. And yeah, their designs were way too fucking exagerrated. That does not belong in an Incredibles movie. Actions and personalities are exagerrated but physical appearances are not.
My cousin and I went to see this movie when it first came out, the moment we saw the woman (I can't remember the names of any of the new characters, shows how memorable this movie is) we both immediately guessed that she was the villain.
Me when Schaffrillas says Shark Tale, a favorite from my childhood, is bad: I respectfully disagree Me when Schaffrillas says Incredibles 2 is painfully average and exceedingly dull: I LIKE YOUR FUNNY WORDS MAGIC MAN
Pixar needs to cut it the fuck out with these last-second twist villains. It’s become so bland and predictable. Syndrome was such a great and memorable villain because he was revealed halfway through the movie and was actually given time to develop. Sure it was still a twist but it was done RIGHT.
...It wasn't a twist. She revealed herself as anti-super very soon after she was introduced. You were supposed to realize the villain's identity as soon as pizza guy starts monologueing. If you listen, it's the very same ideology she was pushing.
It was a poorly introduced twist that was just too predictable. You didn't even need a proper motivation to figure it out, she had the means and opportunity, and EVERY SHOT they talk about the Screenslaver, you see her in the background trying not to be conspicuous. It was honestly hilarious seeing her act subtle.
