Independence Day: An American Disaster 

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Having rewatched this movie last night with some friends, I was shocked it lacked a weird hallmark of Mr. Emmerich's later movies: the milquetoast stepdad character who is presented as an antagonistic rival for the main character, if only by way of being in a love triangle with his ex, who dies in an oddly horrible way you think would be reserved for an actual villain. All _Independence Day_ has is David and his currently still single ex-wife eventually getting back together, meaning there's no need for Mr. Emmerich to kill some poor guy who hardly deserves it in particularly cruel and targeted way for once. Yay? (By *total* coincidence [/s], that particular romantic subplot feels like it's where you could mostly cut down the movie without harming it unlike the apparent exposition with David about how he made the virus so damn fast that *actually* got cut out.)

Yep, it is a formula alright.

A sub-class for the token cannon fodder is if they're also the step-dad. Though that only really happened in 2012 and Moonfall (still weird it happened twice)

It literally moonfall

I love wontons. Especially fried wontons. I'll never forgive this man for destroying them in all his movies 😔

Hate to say it, but I'd have laughed for the wrong reasons, too. It was a good change on so many levels. For starters, putting him in a fighter jet gave him A) a chance to relive the "good" parts of his past and B) made everyone, including him and his kids, think he was gonna walk away from this. And then the wonderful tense moment of "Oh no, the missile's broken. That was humanity's last hope!" only for him to _then_ decide to make the hard choice. It went from a sorta-standard and lackluster suicide bombing to a heroic sacrifice.

In the DVD / BluRay releases it’s an alternate ending you can pick 😂

Honestly that probably would have been more believable than somebody learning to fly an F18 in less than a day lol.

Like that black geologist that is best friend of the Xfiles guy on the Evolution movie :D

Pure cinematic art.

The alternate ending is really priceless and sells it even better

"f**k you Rick Berman, you ruined this as well?!.. Wait a minute, that ain't Rick Berman... What is it with RICKS?!"

Faster, more intense

It's not a loop, it's a spiral.

and with Destructions

And we British go out and vote. At least this year.

Explosions so hard that they’d make Micheal bay blush

Fireworks are explosions

And will smith songs

Lol, Independence Day: Resurgence (came out decades later, and I heard it was bad too)

​@@cuckoophendula8211 read again

@@JDRoninstone Ironic sarcasm is now more apparent. Approved! Edit: and of course my previous comment makes absolutely no sense now, lol

Cuz the sequel was too abysmal, so it ain't exist. Period. :-)

I know, right? Imagine how horrible it would have been, especially without Smith...

And amity from the owl house edit also remember the episode where Ross broke a little girls leg by accident? That’s the same girl!

and is Roxxie Richter from Scott Pilgrim

Oh dope

Her?

And Her? From Arrested Development

Because that's like saying that a computer from the 1950s could upload a virus into a modern military supercomputer.

Because computer virus or lets say malware works by exploiting vulnerabilities in the operating system, this is why there was the impression Mac OS was less vulnerable that Windows because virus written for Windows wouldnt affect Mac OS. And I just realized what my example is considering the virus was done on a Mac, that is amusing for me in many ways ... So even if they were "reverse engineering" the technology that would be hardware, not software because just like we write software based on programing language that in term is based on our language (just look at code, you can tell) the aliens would do the same, the whole thing makes less and less sense the more you think about it and even if you dont, well people know on a basic instinctive level we dont catch virus from other species (that is true and false but often is true) so you trying to sell people something they think its wrong. Simply there is no way they could write code to infect a OS created by a alien species, its not really how a computer can interact with another because you can run Windows or Mac OS in the same hardware, you can even make Mac OS and Windows communicate with each other but malware will be designed to infect one or the other, a "human" computer can interact with a "alien" computer but malware would have to be specific designed to target the Alien OS.

Computers of different years often can't interface properly with computers from the same company that are just older, never mind from a completely alien source separated by decades, hence the eye-rolling.

​@@shan4680 Sure, but you can build interface adapters and create compatibility scripts and whatnot.

@@shan4680who knew that in 1996? Not the audience. It’s akin to disliking Dracula because Bram Stoker didn’t understand blood transfusions (blood transfusions were the hot new technology, but Bram Stoker didn’t know about blood types).

Hear hear!

Same for me The sequel may not be better than the original but still it's a good film on it's own right

Your first sentence applies to me too.

Same here!

Maybe

Every single time

ID4 is the greatest movie of all time

For some reason RU-vid is offering to translate your comment. XD

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I wish the aliens would invade, at this point.

because we can all agree who the enemy is in the case of alien invasion from outer space so we all have the same general idea about what we gotta to do, whereas in the real world we have mostly man-made problems and we can scarcely agree which men made them or get further than the brainstorming stage towards actually solving the problems

@@ValterStrangelove4419I mean, it’s obvious who the bad guys are in real life. They aren’t clever about it, I don’t think anyone who says they can murder somebody in Times Square and nobody would care is a good guy

Growing up in the 90s pre 9/11 was so different in every single way

Meanwhile, Arrival: One country nearly ruins first contact while another country is making good progress.

Speaking of, were starship shields sci-fi mainstream before the 1960s Star Trek?

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jesus christ Arrival was already 8 years ago?

@@gregory-of-tours unfortunately yes

W mom and dad

@@gregory-of-toursred dead redemption 2 was 5 years ago Edit: 6 years ago

Your parents are a credit to our species.

Even when I was watching the movie in 1996 on the big screen, I realized that the dog and the fire were never in the same space. The effect was a bit too "rear projection" even then.

Independence Day: Vietnam

Which movie? The first one or the sequel?

​@@03-AALIYAH_GamingThe sequel.

First comment on the second comment!

This guy might be a fed. Caution brothers

Hi, Fellow human, I'm totally from earth

Hi

Omg Obama is that you

When Santa comes down your chimney only it isn't Santa but a giant death ray.

This guy gets it.

It goes to show that a simple concept can go a long way with a great cast and excellent special effects. I think that’s what a lot of modern blockbusters fail to grasp: simplicity and balance. I’ve seen to many modern blockbusters tank because they either focus way too much much on lore and explaining things that it gets in the way of an entertaining/thought provoking story or they don’t explain enough and fall flat on their face. They fail to ask one of two questions: 1. Why does this matter? 2. Why are the characters doing this?

I mean, that's NOTHING compared to the cut to "But it ain't the end of the world, buddy." in 2012.

yeah sometimes humor makes it easier to digest, what is hard about that and 25 years to recover is nothing and pretty easy especially when we have the tech, hey they destroyed Houston, my hometown, but they mainly only destroyed Downtown. Houston city area is the size freaking Connecticut.

Oh pre-9/11 disaster cinema, were you can get away with showing entire cities getting destroyed and still have room for Will Smith to make a corny one-liner about "kicking ET's ass"

Death is meaningless in Disaster movies unless it's a main character dying. The heroes of Independence day didn't give a shit that half of humanity died. They were just pissed aliens attacked the human race and wanted to kick the aliens collective ass for that. There's no real inclination the heroes fight against the aliens to save humanity. No, they fight to regain their honor.

@@munjatkumo1929 wow your messed up with that interpretation. dam that's hearless, seek therapy.

That's why the Transformer movies are successful.

Fr😂

​@@SourRobo8364exactly 😂

There actually is an animated movie almost exactly like that. Kinda a meh movie but it has an interesting premise.

Imagine if Independence Day instead became the decades running 10 seasons+spinoff scifi show. It could have happened

Or the sequel film and the canceled third film

@@Dystopikachu And then Emmerich would have also said how stupid that show is and his original ideas for a sequel were soo much better ... thanks to ID4 Part II: ID Harder we know how much that's worth. 🤔🤔🤔Come to think of it: Did he ever talk about the Godzilla-animated show that followed his stupid movie and was actually pretty good?

y'all need to watch moon 44, it explains why they picked Liam Hemsworth for ID4 Resurgence: Because he looks like a generic gay porn actor. And Roland Emmerich loves gay porn actors.

Yeah Stargate kicks ass

I love how the aliens are probably all "hahaha these stupid creatures, thinking their pathetic weapons can do anyth- WHAT WHAT THE FUCK STEVE DID YOU TURN OFF THE SHIELDS AGAIN"

@@adamkaufman724 they forgot the greatest human aircraft tactic of all time. If you don't have a weapon, you become the weapon

@@taomongkol5921 BANZAI!!!

@@taomongkol5921 the aliens should have done that in the first place that would be more effective than hovering over cities

Lol I would have loved to have seen that. Sounds like you have an awesome dad.

Yeah right lol

And everyone clappe- oh wait.

Your dad has my respect

Those customers must really like balloons filling up with air.

C'mon now, that would require imagination and care to pull off!

Or they could've flipped it. Scrap the aliens. Humans have reversed the Alien tech and expanded out into the solar system. Human Colonies are in the solar system and they provide resources to earth so that they can make the alien tech. The central earth gov has become increasingly oppressive demanding more tithes from the colonies cause they're paranoid that the aliens will return. Then the crazy president from the first movie can lead the independence of the colonies from the earth gov. Which would be the plot, the colonies win their independence and humanity is fractured and weakened, then they can sequel bait with the aliens actually making a return as a post credit scene. Some shot of them flying past Pluto or something idk.

This would have been much better.

He should have made Moonfall as the sequel. Bill Pullman should have blown up the moon

The show Starblazers 2177 should be exactly your thing

Accurate RU-vid creator experience.

The same ol' 7 subs snip

Topped off by random pilot dude giving the most epic salute ever

Will smith carried the movie

God, I love that scene

Which is when Trump stands up to deliver another stirring speech about sharks and batteries and will once again play his greatest hits: "Who wants to hear the Sssnake story. Ohhhh, you love that snake story." While the country crumbles into dust and two nearly equal sides who hate each other more than any American has ever hated an enemy prepare for political violence. After a supreme court has determined presidents are Kings... Yes, America, happy Birthday and GOOD LUCK! You are going to need and, and believe me, this may be your last one before the country breaks apart. Maybe July fourth can become, American separation day. The day you all realize that you hate no one as much as you hate each other. Nice, real nice.

​@@larrystevens7410 Calm down weirdo.

'90%' is a strange number I think my favourite percentage is '32%' something about it just seems oddly specific but right when you're talking about percentages. Anyway, I'm not sure why you're talking about percentages.

I hate to say that you're right, lmao.

Aw shucks, now aren't you smart and above the plebians!

@@munjatkumo1929 Thank you!

@@AtticusE-qs1vc I was talking to the grammar police actually!

That's the best way to describe this movie. It may be cheesy and campy, but it has what a lot of movies wished they had: charm.

@@buragi5441 And you can tell the actors were having a good time. Wouldnt happen in todays greenscreen environments. Thats what always hits me about older sci fi movies. They do have effects, but at least the sets are real and the actors are in the same room together. Acting. Not just reading lines in an empty studio.

self awareness is so rare now

@@buragi5441 charm like Ralph Wiggum has charm

Honestly! It’s like a deep fried cheeseburger but it’s made with such high quality ingredients and put together so masterfully that you can’t not enjoy it.

Yawn just people in for the money

Cool story

Who

That was almost a decade after he first did the film, and he was already OLD in the first ID4 movie! At his age, he must have been too exhausted to give a crap anymore. Poor dude. lol

But what about Boomer!!!

@@saisameer8771 Boomer will life!

Thank god. The dog was the moast important terran in the movie.

@@uselessDM [high-pitched squealing]

@@louisduarte8763I’m Mario

Are you familiar with _All Tomorrows_ by Nemo Ramjet (C. M. Kosemen)? If you're not I believe you will find it very illuminating regarding your question.

Ok that goes hard as fuck I'm ngl

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I think it was the novelization that also establishes that the computer virus Jeff Goldblum's character uploads works because human computers were one of the technologies reverse engineered from the crashed ship in Area 51. Emmerich's movies may be junk food, but they have a way of inspiring tie in material that takes them seriously and expands the lore way beyond the intent of the original creator.

so the reverse of the Skyline movies. Where the aliens ant to scoop oout our brains and use them as CPUs to operate their bio-machines.

My response to Resurgence, honestly. Well, ‘love’ might be too intense, but it was still a way to pass some extra hours, that’s (probably) something.

Did you just imply Stargate is trash?

Also, sums up most 1996 action flicks: ID4 The Rock Twister Ransom Eraser Executive Decision Even Mission Impossible which was severely flawed, but nobody really cared as long as they were having a blast.

Moonfall and resurgence were actually bad, bad for his standards in his own genre

Emmerich movies are junk food cinema

This made me spit my drink 😂😂

Yes!! How cool is the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind… compared to just shooting the queen? What happened to Hollywood, why can’t they tell what’s cool anymore?!

​@@davidbeaver958 Simple. They're only paying attention to marketing researchers telling them what will personally make them even more money.

@@aw3299 and end up losing money anyway because marketing researchers suck

Somehow by destroying the alien mothership, all the shields on the smaller ships went down. Also, none of the smaller ships were shown falling on the cities they were above, also how were they supposed to down these ships anyway? For just one example, Australia's air force would have been obliterated in the first 37 seconds of initial fighting because as good as the individual planes and pilots are, there's not exactly very many of them.

@@shan4680 Well, in the first movie, it wasn't the destruction of the mothership which shut down the shields of every other ship. They discovered that the mothership was sending signals out to them. So our heroes uploaded a computer virus to the mothership which disabled the shields, and that virus was sent from the mothership to all the others, disabling theirs. Is that a stretch using an Apple Mac Book? Absolutely, but Hollywood treats computers like magic. They can do anything! Point being, at least an attempt was made to not cheat out of having to engage in a long, grueling fight to push back an invasion. The studio could have simply made it so that you just destroy the mothership and all of the smaller ones fall. It would have saved them money from having to make that last epic aerial battle. But they didn't do that, which is appreciated.

yeah 90's Jeff Goldblum was great because he was the uncanny valley given human form

Everyone personality change with time

The original version where Russell flew his crop duster into the fight with a nuke strapped to it, practically.

​@@christopherwall2121 yeah and that got scrapped later on (I think the scene exists in a directors commentary) and even that was too ridiculous and depressing.... so I liked how they allowed the borderline schizo drunk to fly an actual combat plane instead of a nuke strapped crop duster (can they even carry nuke ordinance?) to make the sacrifice with the vindictive joyful "Hello boys, I'm back!"

That always confused me, it makes you think there’s three other “ID” movies that somehow you’ve never heard of.

Yeah, I remember hearing that even Chinese citizens didn't like the pandering any more than Americans did, feeling that Hollywood was trying to cannibalize their film industry. Speaking of which, China's film industry mirrors America's in that people have grown tired of overblown star-stuffed blockbusters and prefer smaller, independent efforts, leading to lots of indie films finding mainstream success. Funny how that works out.

Hollywood movies absolutely don’t need to pander to China to be successful. For example, Oppenheimer and Dune 2 popped off in the Chinese market. I think the irony is that Hollywood is being somewhat racist by assuming all Chinese people only watch mindless patriotic action movies when they are capable of understanding complex western films. Like, if Chinese audiences want to watch a patriotic action flick, they’re domestic industry is perfectly capable of that.

The thing about Hollywood movies is that it doesn't need pandering. Everyone in the entire world watches Hollywood movies because they're *American*. China already has their own movie studios and their movies that represent Chinese culture. Hollywood attempts to pander to Chinese audiences makes their movies just look like a cheap knockoff attempt of Chinese culture in Chinese movies

If only they listened to transformers and put in a character with all the negative stereotypes of a race they don't like.

​@@truggeredx4351yeah they have some bangers of patriotic movies And some that are uhhhh they are movies

Why? Sounds kinda dumb lol

@@AbuHajarAlBugatti youre telling me man, i live in australia

@@zachary_gongaga Was it big in Australia for some reason?

@@ColonelSandersLite lmao not that I'm aware of

That just straight up sounds like some kind of visual stimulation pacification, like some kind of pretty lights and motion to distract the cattle as they graze kinda deal lol. I mean, I guess it wouldn't change the quality of the movie much without audio, either way it's consciousness white noise.

I was excited to see it and the trailers looked really good. I took my friends to go see it. I'm still apologizing for that to this day.

Got a source for that?

I thought he was Charlie Hunnam before Mr. Hub said his name.

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Even better, it’s independence day

uwu yes

that's a fact

Cody is to Emerich as to Space Ice is to Seagal

Coz it’s a GOOD MOVIE, unlike the crap they produce nowadays

I'm in the UK - hopefully by the end of this 4th July we will have something to celebrate here. (Looks that way, but never assume.)

@@unfeathered Well Sunak is done for, even before seeing results, so thats something.

On this day everyone is American 🫡

I am an American who watched this movie as a 13 year old. It was dumb fun and one of the few things I can look back on fondly. I remember being a small child and hearing that war was forever over in 1991, then I was in middle school for the OKC attacks, in high school when the Columbine shooting happened. Still a stupid teenager as I watched 9/11 and saw smoke rising from the Pentagon while taking I 295 to get home, had the economy crash in 2001, got laid off from my first job out of high school, joined the army, participated in 2 pointless wars, had the economy collapse a second time in 2008 ruining my post army job (and destroying my marriage) watched most of my friends continue to fight in 2 pointless wars that we ended up losing....in addition to all of the post 2015 non stop insanity. But I will always love movies like independence day or The Mummy as stupid dumb fun where I could just shut my brain off and enjoy.

@@tonybrewer7536 Everyone except, well… a certain people that America did a lot of terrible things to…

I remember the Fox special on the show! The model makers who made the exploding White House talked about how they even put little nods to Bill Clinton in there, like his cat Socks and saxophone.

I also remember the "Breaking TV News Special" where it was basically a "news" broadcast of the Aliens arriving. Similar to The War of the Worlds radio broadcast.

It wasnt just pre-9/11, it was pre- subverting expectations and pre- subjective morality and all that. Anyone who paid to see this movie knew exactly what they were getting, and they loved it.

Do you mean with a new TV show or a new movie?

@@summernovah movie

@@summernovaha movie that regards the tv shows as NOT CANON for that matter

Worst thing to happen to the World Trade Center since the 1993 bombing.

Yes 911

Me too.

It's too bad that Scarabs are slow as fuck, but let's be honest here, Hollywood no longer uses common sense (in a bad way for some reason?) so the Lekgolo-to-Lekgolo neural pathways having proper speed would be thrown out the fucking window (this too can be thrown out the window if it's convenient to the plot)

This. I don’t really think it’s really much of an alien movie. It’s a war movie. Its closest analogy to me is Pearl Harbor, but where the Japanese are aliens.

Didn't realize this video was 43 minutes long holy shit

I´m not even American but that Speech makes my heart goes to 350 bpm and brings the necesity to jump into an F-18

The movie was indeed dumb as hell. But in the theater when he said 'Let's nuke the bastards' the entire place erupted into applause.

These days, getting within 50 yards of Randy Quaid will make you tear up, and that's just from the stink. I mean to be deported from Canada, coo-coo

I'm going to take issue with calling it a "dumb, bland popcorn movie." Sure, if you critique it academically, which the professional critics did at the time, you can say that. But this movie does what the sequel and more modern popcorn flicks don't - it resonates. Despite the video suggesting it's only good in hindsight, he's wrong. The public absolutely loved this movie when it came out and they absolutely love it now. It played damn near every day on some cable station for a decade after it was released for that reason. Like the video suggested, and for all the reasons you list in your comment, it presented a situation that people could relate to--via grounded filming techniques and actual reverence for landmarks beyond just cannon fodder--put unique, charismatic, and human characters in that situation, and resolved it in a way that reflected the emotions anyone in that situation would be looking for. Is it a 1:1 reflection of reality? No, of course not. But it allows the audience a means in which to become more emotionally invested in a way that an accurate reflection of reality can't. Too often these days, everyone seems to be eager to tear something down because characters don't act the way they think they should, then they wonder why more modern movies make them feel nothing. Most people in the 90s didn't go into a movie with that mindset, and so we weren't besieged on all sides by superheroes as the only means for indulging our fantastical ya-yas. That's just my two cents, at least.

@@mouserue oh it‘s dumb, but it sure as hell isn’t bland

I feel like it could have been better paced, especially since I forgot that it's over two hours. That might take only cutting out like ten minutes and, as someone who rewatched it last night, do away with those blinding and overbloomed wipe edits that are way too numerous.

@@MusicoftheDamned Respectfully disagree! That's one of the quirky things I like about it.

There were plenty of black people with prominent roles in 70s and 80s movies. Blazing Saddles? Beverly Hills Cop? What were you watching before this movie came out? The whole "people with X amount of melanin dont get big roles" narrative didnt even start until the 2010s