Independent Baptist vs Christian and Missionary Alliance - What's the difference? 

Thanks Nathan, that's about the best response I could ask for.

Nathan Howard. -- This young man, Joshua I believe his name is, seems to always do an Excellent job when surveying & reporting on a Church Denomination's History, Beliefs, Affiliations, Pros & Cons, etc. He is very Professional and a "Tell it like it is" kind of person, which I Admire, at the the same time.

You have no right to call yourself a follower of Jesus Christ if you are deliberately disobeying His Word! Regarding women in ministry...God designed women to HELP men, not LEAD them! ‭Genesis‬ ‭2:18‬ ‭HCSB‬ [18] Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper as his complement.” [20] The man gave names to all the livestock, to the birds of the sky, and to every wild animal; but for the man no helper was found as his complement. [21] So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to come over the man, and he slept. God took one of his ribs and closed the flesh at that place. [22] Then the Lord God made the rib He had taken from the man into a woman and brought her to the man. [23] And the man said: This one, at last, is bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh; this one will be called “woman,” for she was taken from man. [24] This is why a man leaves his father and mother and bonds with his wife, and they become one flesh. [25] Both the man and his wife were naked, yet felt no shame. ‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:8‭-‬15‬ ‭HCSB‬ [8] Therefore, I want the men in every place to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or argument. [9] Also, the women are to dress themselves in modest clothing, with decency and good sense, not with elaborate hairstyles, gold, pearls, or expensive apparel, [10] but with good works, as is proper for women who affirm that they worship God. [11] A woman should learn in silence with full submission. [12] I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to be silent. [13] For Adam was created first, then Eve. [14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed. [15] But she will be saved through childbearing, if she continues in faith, love, and holiness, with good judgment.

So, physical healing was provided for specifically through the atonement? Do tell …

Thank you. I hope you'll look around at the other videos too - pastors like yourself are my target audience. I also have one other video on c&ma.

I actually thought the CMA church I go to is a non-denominational one until I asked my pastor about what our denomination is

I Honestly Feel Sorry For you.

It is spelled Keswick, based on a holiness emphasis convention.

No exactly.

It's not exactly right but sorta right. Many early A/G pastors had a CMA background. Most CMA already believed in divine healing, sanctifaction, & being filled w/Holy Spirit. Those who accepted the Pentecostal position of speaking in tongues generally left and went to the A/G.

​@@timothyowen4503i am from indonesia and my church is basically CMA church founded by R.A Jaffray, we didn't go against people who can speaking in tongues because we also belief that is also gift from holy spirit but we did go against the notion of every person can speaking in tongues if they learn how to, because it's gift from holy spirits (God Itself) so how can human learn to speak in the language of holy spirit if they didn't receive the gift. Sorry for my bad english

Four square was a product of A.B. Simpson movement and also the Assembly of God.... They make there own group because of minor practices especially the Speaking in tuongues..

Just search there history...

@@shonejoshua8801 I went to both CMA and 4 square. There are major errors in both but then all denominations have errors. There is a reason for these errors but they really magnify them or maybe because I experienced the condemnation from those pastors. Every week the same people would doubt their salvation and have to repent. Some would even get rebaptized. My dad was one of them that never felt good enough and was always going to the alter. It was what I knew and it was familiar then by happenstance I joined a 4 sq. It was not quiet, it was a rock concert and cool but still condemning to the soul and spirit. Pastor kept quoting Bill Johnson. That was my que to examine why I believed what I believed to see if it really was the truth. Turns out that I am saved but not because of what they teach salvation is. That is a different gospel. I will post more about different gospel than the gospel that the apostle Paul taught in a later post.

@@tims.449 Do not fine a perfect church or a perfect Pastor make your life a difference. As CMA christian and the doctrine we practice is in accordance with the Bible "Let the Bible Speak.. Only the People doubted their salvation because they combine the justification, sanctification and glorification that's the reason.. Their no doctrine was teach in CMA that we need to accept and accept Jesus Christ again and again. Only once we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior if you truly understand the Salvation... Their were times we doubted our salvation, probably you have lack of time in meditation, connection to God. That why Satan Attack you and your not aware..

@@shonejoshua8801 Have you ever heard of Bill Johnson? My pastor at 4 sq was a huge fan. Desperate for revival and in Florida there was a huge one. Go down there and catch the fire and bring it back. But I could not because of my job. So I watched on God TV. Then Todd Bentley comes on. I regress. Watch this please. It helped me to open my eyes and ask the question about the scriptures just before what Bill's is claiming to be our assignment. It names the names of the apostles. Why? Man I felt stupid. It names the names of the 12 because Christ was not speaking to anyone but the 12, it was their assignment. So simple. But I have so much more on the errors of these denominations. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0_bWxR6NyT4.html "Bill Johnson, God has given us an assignment". You will see before 1 minutes is up. Matthew 10. Matt. 10: 1-8 opened my eyes after becoming quite familiar with the first 10 chapters of Acts. What about the Gentiles is both Matthew and Acts?

Because he is an independent baptist.

1 Corinthians 13 teaches that tongues and prophecies will cease at the end, at the Second Coming of Jesus. It also says that faith and hope will cease. Cessationism is a anti-biblical.

@@angelbonilla4243 You are reading into the text what it does not contain. This is so typical of people. The passage in question has become a playground for people like you. I advise you to read over your post. It contains errors.

@@angelbonilla4243 Your post reflects careless exegesis if we can call it exegesis. Nowhere does it say that faith and hope will cease. They abide as does charity. The passage is comparing what does not cease with what ceases namely tongues, and the kind of knowledge that is revelatory. Paul is anticipating the error of Gnosticism and Montanism whose followers refused to close the canon of scripture.

Yes faith hope and love "abide" but the context of v. 8 is found in vv. 9-12. These explain that prophecy, tongues, and knowledge are done away with when the Perfect (my capitalization) comes, not before!!

@@rev.stephena.cakouros948 you are certainly reading into the text what it does not contain. You are certainly using poor exegesis if you can call it exegesis. Its very sad. It hurts good people. The context of 1Cor13:8 is clearly shown in the next few verses to be "when that which is perfect is come" & "now we see through a glass dimly but THEN face to face" & "we shall be known as we are known." This is when we get to glory. There is not one jot or tittle here to suggest he's talking about canon. One day Praise God we won't need gifts of tongues or faith or knowledge because we'll be with Him. But Praise the Lord that He still abundantly pours His Spirit out on us now.

I Honestly Believe All C&MA Churches are A Gigantic Cult in Itself because of my Personal Experiences.

@@ahuskyplaythough3826 does not true CMA one of the evangelical church evangelical church is not CULT.

@@benexsaber4496 Welp, I Only Said Cm&A Churches are a Giant Cult Not Any Other Christian Churches.

@@ahuskyplaythough3826what is your basis that CMA is a giant cult?if you have no evidence you better you shut up.

@@benexsaber4496 BOY! I Said Just CMA is a Giant Cult, Don't Tell me to Shut Up.

what's the difference between everlasting torment and eternal anguish? They sound the same to me

The CM &A only rejects the doctrine or dogma that Speaking in Tongues is ALWAYS the INITIAL sign of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. It believes in a Baptism in the HS, That some people may speak in tongues, and it even believes in the doctrine of Healing in the Atonement.

@@angelbonilla4243 physical healing was not provided for in the Atonement and the official doctrinal position of the C&MA does not affirm that it was. The C&MA believes that God may heal or not heal at His will, but that we are encouraged to be anointed with oil as a way of surrendering our fate to the Great Physician. I suggest you read the Fourfold Gospel by A.B. Simpson for more info.

Hello. This is incorrect if you read Simpson's "Gospel of Healing" You will see very clearly that healing is provided in the atonement. This is a central teaching of Simpson and early alliance theology. Blessings.

@@felixguerrero6062 Simpson has been dead for like 100 years. He also believed that missionaries could receive the gift of tongues and ship language school, but I’ve yet to meet a C&MA missionary who didn’t have to learn the language spoken in the foreign country they were sent to.

@@thurlravenscroft2572 Simpson didn't teach xenoglossia was normative. You are incorrect, and shouldnt speak on subject that you do not know.

I was raised in CMA but also went to a 4 sq who tithe as well many denominations do. You are right the tithing is not for us. Tithing is linked with a curse but we can not be under a curse like that Jesus became a curse for us. Gal.3 [10] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. [13] Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: I have come to realize that the Law of Moses and the preaching of the kingdom over lap. John the Baptist started preaching the kingdom to verify the coming of the Saviour. The Law of Moses is being obeyed in the book of Acts after the ascension of Christ. See if that is not the case and check out Matt. 10:5-8

@@tims.449 YOU SAID. "The Law of Moses is being obeyed in the book of Acts after the ascension of Christ." ACTS 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could NOT BE JUSTIFIED by the LAW of Moses.????????? In Mathew 10:5-8 is your follow up verse. remember that. that verse is an event that Christ is still alive at that moment. because he was trying to persuade the Israelites to accept him. You are not reading the whole chapter of Galatians 3. Read it fully bro. you don't know what you are talking. you Fool. read it on verse 1. I'll give you the whole text and read it carefully. 1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

@@kuyzwengbarber I am quite familiar with Galations. You missed my point I think. Peter is doing exactly what Jesus instructed the 12 to do in Matt 10. Exactly. He and his congregation are following the Law of Moses. The are avoiding Gentiles still. Same reason that you stated about Christ in trying to achieve in Matt. still offering Israel the Kingdom. When Paul was saved and made an apostle he just did not run of and evangelize all the world because the Jews in Acts 1 to 11 didn't he went to the Jews first to reason with them that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. But still they rejected Jesus. Acts.13 [46] Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. If you want to believe after reading Acts that Peter and congregation are not following the Law of Moses in its entirety prove it to me. But I see the Kingdom being of great importance to them. When the kingdom starts they became the head and not the tail of the nations. All of their sins are blotted out Acts.3 [19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Heb. 8 is very informative about the 2nd coming. Heb. 9 [6] Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. [7] But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: [8] The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; [10] Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. [11] But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; [12] Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. [13] For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: [14] How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? [15] And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. [16] For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. [17] For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Heb. 10 [11] And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: [12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; [13] From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. [14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. [15] Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, [16] This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; [17] And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. [18] Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. [19] Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, [20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; [21] And having an high priest over the house of God; [22] Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. [23] Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) When the kingdom that was and still is promised to Israel (doesn't include the Body of Christ, the church under grace.) They will know exactly God's will and will not have to be taught. The Jews salvation is secure and they are justified completely in the new covenant. Acts 13 [38] Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: [39] And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. This is why Israel gets a new covenant to replace the old and no more Law of Moses for them.

ABSimpson came to the US from Canada.

ABSimpson came from Canada.