That's what you get on this channel. I just object the use of "baptism.is for believers only", but the gentleman making this channel is a Baptist..soon... 😆
@javiervega1065 No. Just like any group of people, there are mixed opinions on many things. The overwhelming majority of IFB is all for Bible college, Seminary, and Christian education.
@@TrueLight1611The IFB, in large, rejects higher education. The ONLY cases they approve a higher education is that of a unaccredited smaller college. Commonwealth. Vision Baptist. Etc. The IFB, largely, is a cult in its most strict circles. The moment you approach the denomination with critical thinking or objective reasoning, it falls apart. That’s why they reject fellowship with any other denominations and they reject higher education. It’s a shame Joshua is IFB. He should know better.
I prayed one night for the Lord to open a door of fellowship amd worship in my life because i was a very lonely Christian surrounded by atheists. The very next morning i found a track to the local IFB church amd ive going for years now and they have become such a wonderful family to me. They have taken my hand amd helped guide me to better know Jesus and who I am in Him. I pray that all those who have suffered in any denomination to seek Jesus through bible not man first.
But before you run from dispensationalism as my friend here says... do research. ;-) That's what I'm doing. Both of these claims are classic misrepresentations of it.
Tom. Why does your church REMOVE anyone who is speaking in tongues? I never grew up in that, so when my neighbor, a Catholic boy, joined me and my brother and his wife at a church like yours. Tommy was making sounds. I thought perhaps he was sick. Men REMOVED him and later brought him back in. I am 70. That was like when I was 19. Tommy 12/13 years old. I am now realizing Tommy was speaking in tongues. He joined a Pentacostal Church. Tonight, I was invited to worship by live viewing with a church in Little Rock, Arkansas. It was spirit filled. I don't know what Tommy had to deliver that night. He has been deceased for a number of years. Let God's Holy Outpouring Happen. 🙏
@@maegardnermills4292 We don't believe in "speaking in tongues" because it isn't biblical. The bible never even using the term speaking "in tongues." It talks about speaking "with tongues" or speaking "in other tongues" which means to speak in another known human language. Nowhere in the bible do people get excited and speak in incomprehensible gibberish. In Acts 2, at Pentecost, the Holy Spirit fell on the church at Jerusalem, and a miracle happened. The miracle was that the members of the church started speaking in various different languages, languages they had never learned, allowing them to preach about Jesus to people assembled for Pentecost that spoke those languages. The languages involved are actually listed in the chapter. These were not mysterious, unknown, gibberish languages. They were known human languages that miraculously facilitated communication between people from different countries. That's why it was a miracle. And it was symbolic of the fact that the gospel, because of the anointing of the Holy Spirit on believers, would be preached far and wide into many nations, like it never had been before. Someone in church speaking in gibberish that doesn't mean anything isn't a miracle, even if someone next to them is pretending to understand the gibberish. "Speaking in tongues," like other Pentecostal practices, isn't biblical, and is a way for people to be led by their emotions to draw attention to themselves and act disorderly in church. It's actually a wicked practice.
@@anarchorepublican5954 If someone told me they were a Fundamentalist Baptist, I'd probably assume they meant they were an IFB, like me. More often I've heard it shortened to Independent Baptist. I wouldn't say the IFB is generally against education. I personally think that it's child abuse at this point to put your kids in public school, and I'm sure many IFB members would agree with me. But I myself am currently working on a post-graduate degree. I don't think this is covered in the video, but there is a split now, in the IFB, between what's been called the Old IFB and the New IFB. The New IFB was started when a pastor named Steven Anderson started a church in Arizona (I think around 2006) and became popular on RU-vid. He eventually started sending out pastors to start other churches, and some IFB churches around the country became affiliated with him and adopted his variations on traditional IFB doctrine. The churches that followed Steven Anderson's teaching (which are mostly IFB with a few significant changes) became known as the New IFB, The primary difference between Old and New IFB is that Old IFB are dispensational (they believe that the Rapture happens before the Tribulation and that the promises made to Abraham still apply to the physically Jewish people of today) while the New IFB are not dispensational (they believe that the Rapture happens after the Tribulation and that Christian believers in the New Testament are God's Chosen People, not the physical Jews). The New IFB preach harder against homosexuality, and generally police doctrine more tightly. If I go into a New IFB church, I can be certain that every church member is crystal clear on having the correct gospel, and that probably most everyone is a dedicated soulwinner. (New and Old IFB call door-to-door evangelism "soulwinning".) By contrast, when I go into an Old IFB church it's a crapshoot whether or not the church member sitting next to you is actually saved or not, and you'd likely have to kidnap them at gunpoint to actually get them to go door knocking with you. I bring up the New IFB/Old IFB distinction, because, like everything else, the New IFB will be more uniform and hardcore on the education issue. At a New IFB they're more likely to accept traditional gender roles and to disparage the usefulness of higher education. So, the wife would more likely stay home with the kids, and the husband would more likely get a job that doesn't involve entangling himself with education. And the New IFB is very much into homeschooling young children. Whereas, at an Old IFB church, you're more likely to find people following our current culture, with the wife working and going to school, the man doing likewise, and the kids not being homeschooled. Where the New IFB and the Old IFB diverge doctrinally, I tend to agree with the New IFB (such as when it comes to the timing of the Rapture). I myself was one of many who got saved after hearing Pastor Steven Anderson (who started the New IFB) preach the gospel on RU-vid--eleven years ago. I went to a New IFB church for years (of which there are relatively few, compared to the number of Old IFB churches), but have more often gone to Old IFB churches. I can't imagine myself going to any church that isn't Old or New IFB. If you pick an Independent Baptist church at random somewhere in the country, they'll almost certainly be "Old IFB" and probably won't even be familiar with the New IFB at all, or even be familiar with the Old IFB/New IFB distinction, and are likely to denounce the New IFB if they've even heard of it. But I like them both.
@@anythingafter10 ...thanks for the info...I'll take a deep dive...I think you missed my snide little joke...I'm a huge Bob Hope fan myself...pure comic genius...
Pic of Pastor Chapel! Nice. 55 Years as an IFB Christian. 33 Years a Pastor. I Enjoy the educational presentation of this Channel. Keep up the good work.
I am a Christian, but I told my wife I regret marrying into an IFB family. After several years, most of them have not made me feel welcomed, reached out to me, and place their churches, church camps, church events, church activities above family. The IFB religion and it’s subculture leaves a lot to be desired.
You make some good points. We just joined an IFB church a year ago. Even after a year and lots of volunteering for various church jobs, I still feel like an outsider. I feel like there is a clique of insiders, and the rest of us can just stay outside the circle for all they care. Getting tired of it. About ready to leave it, to be honest.
@@Storytime2023x It's that way in most churches. But it's more fun to go after churches that DO preach a saving Gospel.. I know that's what Satan would do anyway.
@@Storytime2023x As I asked the guy who you responded to I want to ask you: Do you believe in the Baptist Distinctives and are you a KJV only Christian?
I’m a former IFB. I love baptists. The problem with the denomination is that their exclusivist tendencies make them extremely tribalistic, often very unwelcoming to visitors and outsiders and judgmental of any who are not a fellow IFB, even other Christians. Their independent ecclesiology means that there is extreme variance from church to church, some may be the sweetest folks you could ever meet, some border on being outright cultish. Depends mostly on the character of the pastor. I come from the latter type. The pastor claims to be under Christ, but in truth, he’s a little dictator. Failure to bow to his whims will result in excommunication. The structure of these churches makes them extremely susceptible to that kind of environment. I would not recommend these churches to anyone.
What you experienced is the "personality" of the local church influenced by the personality of its Pastor. That is why no 2 local baptist church, from the same fellowship group, even if the Pastors are literal brothers in the flesh) are the same.
Here in the Philippines, IFB churches are known as “Bible Baptists.” The other two largest Baptist bodies are the “Southern Baptists” and the “Conservative Baptists.” The emerging group that is slowly gaining popularity is the “Reformed Baptists,” that may also be Southern Baptist.
Interesting truth. Land of Ophir is the philipines and the queen of the south is cebu city. Your tribal elders will confirm it’s true. It’s in the bible but it’s hidden because of how wealthy the philipines is. Your legend Jose rizal knew the truth. As it states in his last words.
@@RolandmaddogDeschainIf you don't believe in a Church guided by the Holy Spirit the Bible is not worth anything. They compiled the Bible and deemed it cannon because God guided the early church to choose the proper books. Then the protestant movement removed books. More than 66 exist
@@silverecho1201 Wrong, the Holy Spirit guides no church. The Holy Spirit guides the people in the church, and the East Orthodox Church is not one of them. They teach a works salvation. You have to ask yourself this question, what is the will of the Father? Answer: John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. God only wants us to believe in Jesus Christ. With this belief, works will follow.
Have you ever thought about starting a Google Sheets file to track the differences/similarities between all these different churches? It would really help see how they all inter-relate :)
Not sure if you’ve seen it, but Useful Charts did a series on Christian Denominations and arranged them into a family tree which you can buy as a poster. Which is what I did.
People pick n choose what they want even though their Bible they say is fact (which it is) says different..it's like they think it's ok to build their own GOD!! ..it's sad and scary.
@@markieffmorris9263 I know. The website "Preacher Boys" has exposed a lot of it. I was in it for 16 years and was taken advantage of by the pastor, which caused a big scandal and shut the church down. I prefer to remain anonymous as that was a horrible time that I am still healing from.
That would be pointless. Churches change. Preachers even change. But... "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." (Heb. 13:8) He is our foundation. He is the Word; therefore, the Word of God (King James Bible) should be our foundation, not a group, denomination, association or fellowship of churches, or any man.
YOU DID A GOOD JOB HERE, SO THANKS!!! THERE ARE A FEW MINOR POINTS WHERE INDEPENDANT BAPTIST CHURCHES DIFFER (ONE TO ANOTHER), BUT YOUR REVIEW STILL WAS ON KEY!!!! BUT THE BEST PART OF YOUR VIDEO WAS THAT THERE WERE NO JUDGEMENT CALLS AGAINST INDEPENDANT BAPTIST CHURCHES, A BIG THUMBS UP FOR THAT!!!!!!! AGAIN, GOOD JOB, LORD BLESS!!!!!!!
Depends on the kind of IFB church; some definitely say you have to get baptized by a Baptist church; some (like the New IFB), won't even ask for you to be baptized even if you got baptized by an unsaved person; as long as you were saved, then you're all good.
Yes, but it was hijacked by these people due to the culture that allowed them to get hijacked. Most IFB pastors I know are not ok with the men you mentioned. However, the church they pastor has the same culture of fear and control that is synonymous with those men. Have a great day.
Putting Peter Ruckman and Jack hyles in one corner is like calling AOC a Conservative and Ron Desantis a lefty socialist. Peter ruckman is literally a weirdo, was always a wolf in sheep clothing. If your issue with the ifb is king james only then use whatever redacted bible you want.
1. FBCH & Jack Hyles didn't "highjack" the IFB, he brought them to recognition. 2. Ruckman was a lone wolf & not hardly talked about w/i the movement. 3. Anderson is an "off shoot" & doesn't even CLAIM to be IFB. In fact, preaches AGAINST the IFB & the badge he wears ever so proudly is the NIFB which is *VERY* different on many levels.
@@POTATOSOOPS I think you mean the NIFB like Steve Anderson's, they teach gays can't get saved no matter what , Jesus burned in hell , post tribulation rapture, they are very violent and rude, they teach repentance is a work having nothing to do with salvation. I'm not NIFB , I am IFB, and I can assure you we are not a cult and don't believe the things the NIFB teach
As an IFB preacher, this was super accurate. Though I've never heard of the only Baptist baptism, our church welcomes anyone who is saved to come get baptized.
I Was Saved In The IFB, became a charismatic, Became A Conservative Non-Denominational, Now I'm Orthodox. IFB was NOT The First Church. If It Was, they'd Know About What Happened In The Second Century, What The Didache Is, And Why The Council Of Nicaea Wrote The Prayer Of The Nicene Creed.
I grew up in an IFB “hotspot” with a major IFB Bible college and a IFB seminary in-town and their associated churches that I attended many of in all of my childhood years. Both schools held very longstanding white-only admissions. The pastors of the churches I attended admonished interracial marriages from the pulpit, claimed dark skin as a curse of sin, presented actual pregnant teens to be chastised in front of the congregation (one was pregnant with the pastor’s child which is a whole new level), Jews and Catholics (the people not the faiths) were attacked in sermons and on the outdoor bulletin signs, and one even preached that the gates of hell were burst wide open for Billy Graham at his death. I never saw Christ through these congregations. I saw hate-filled doctrine indoctrinating sanctuaries of lost and scared souls. As an adult I left the IFB and for only that reason alone my own family will not speak to me though I continue to be a believer in salvation through Christ alone. Those churches were life-altering for me and I would be much the better for it if I had never been a part of them.
That's why they call them "independent". They are all going to have disagreements over doctrine. One IFB preacher or person is not going to necessarily endorse what all other "IFB" people say so it's not fair to group them all together. It's best to listen to different preachers to learn more and not fall victim to the cult of personality.
@@MrJimMac It’s because they’re all independent of each other, nobody pulls the strings over these churches! I don’t know how many of these churches there are, but they are all different, not cookie cutter or rubber stamped!
Excellent overview! I would add that IFBs have a bi-weekly newspaper called The Sword of the Lord, founded by John R. Rice in the 1940s and going strong today. It does a lot to bring a sense of community and continuity to the IFBs. Nice touch including both Chick tracts and Fellowship Tract League tracts in your presentation. I would also add that most IFBs are very anti-Catholic and are premill-dispensationalists.
They are very anti-if you don’t attend our church or another like ours your not saved. I literally got into several arguments with them proving them wrong.
Amen. As a Fundamental Baptist Member here in Southern Philippines, thanks GOD for we adhere to the Biblical Principles, not on the compromised doctrines which may lead us to a dangerous path. Great is THY Name oh my LORD and Personal Saviour JESUS CHRIST.
This is a great overview. I grew up in an IFB church and school. My wife grew up in the Apostolic Lutheran church - a denomination that came from Finland! I would love to hear your overview of the differences of the two!
I have visited an Apostolic Lutheran church in Norway a couple of times. I find that they have many similarities, in their way of dealing with theology, and isolate them self's from other churches.
So glad I'm a believer and trust in Christ...not IFB, SBC, PB & J, or whatever denominations created! I am part of the body of Christ...along with some of my Baptist, Charasmatic, Pentecostal, Reformed, and other brothers. I have found out that ALL has misguided and misplaced doctrinal beliefs! As even I still do, as I try to get closer the the Truth. The body of Christ is made of many denominations!
With your ecumenical idealism, how do personally reconcile for yourself all of them being part of the body of Christ, when they have diametrically opposing practices and beliefs? Such as infant baptism vs adult baptism. Women pastors vs men only pastors. Homosexuality allowed vs no homosexuality allowed. Talking in tongues vs no talking in tongues. Etc. Do you not find that you choose one position over the other as being biblically correct, thereby rejecting the other position? Or do you just accept everything as being equally valid and don't stand by any particular set of biblical beliefs?
Ecumenical ideas are what will lead to the one world religion and worship of the Antichrist. Be careful about uniting and yoking up with others that believe damnable heresies and assuming that they are all brothers and sisters when many are not even born again. 2 Peter 2:1-3 2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
There a website dedicated to helping you find ifb churches. Type in your city or nearby cities into the search portal and if will give you the name address and website link to a church near you
I’m from Romania and grew up in a Pentecostal church. Pentecostals and Baptists in my country are very close to each other and many times we visit each other churches. In the 80’s we even got together for prayer meetings. Basically there’s no difference besides the Romanian Pentecostals believe that tongues have not seized. I even married a Romanian Baptist woman and we’re happily married for 22 years. I go to an IFB Congregation now here in US for the past 9 years and reminds me of the Romanian Pentecostal church when it comes down to Preaching and songs. We even pray on our knees or together and have family prayer meetings. It’s funny that even our pastor sometimes says we’re BaptiCostals. 😂 Also to mention that our Congregation has over 20 different nationalities. 🙏🙏🙏… And over 20% of people come from former Pentecostal denomination. Yahweh is so awesome when brings together so many different nationalities and denominations!
I'm guessing you already have a bunch of videos planned. But an idea for possible future videos...could you do a video or videos describing or comparing what it takes to be ordained in different denominations?
I grew up Roman Catholic and got saved in 2014, I go to an IFB church now. But many things in this representation i'd disagree with. 1. Not all IFB churches are KJV only (We only use the KJV for all church ministries as the offical standard) My church teaches against KJVO. 2. We accept all Christians who are baptised in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and who have a profession of faith in Christ. 3. We don't believe that Independent Baptists are the only legitimate churches. 4. Most within my church would consider us apart of Protestantism and a minority would think we have been around since the time of Christ as Baptists (Baptist Secessionism). I believe we come out from the Reformation. 5. We believe that all who have put their faith in Jesus Christ are apart of the '' Universal Church'' but the Church body is organised as Independent local assemblies of believers who have been baptised by full immersion. Everything else is very accurate. The Independent Bible Church movement and Independent Fundamentalist Baptist movement crosses over and to my mind are an evolution of IFBism. God bless you brother, from Australia. Christ is Risen! Happy Easter.
I was born and raised IFB, and have many problems with the church today. But everything they believe they have scripture to back it up. Please don't say nothing against them unless you have scripture to back up what you're saying
I think the little video covers it. I'm an independent Baptist pastor. The issue of repentance is obviously controversial in this day, the phraseology that people use repent of your sins isn't in the Bible so it causes controversy. I believe the idea in scripture is repentance is essential for salvation in it implies twofold a turning to Christ by faith and embracing Him as your Saviour and a change of mind on what you depended upon for your salvation before Christ. The idea is "repentance towards God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ" When God repents in the Bible, He changes His mind When Christians repent in the Bible they turn from sin. When lost people repent in the Bible, they turn to Jesus Christ for the salvation of their soul, or to Bible salvation however you want to put it.
What he didn't mention is a church can Independent Baptist but not Independent Fundamental Baptist. There is also some camps within the IFB that do have some wrong thinking and also some lean heavily on a particular Church and it's Pastor as the rule or standard of how things could or should be done or believe.
That is absolutely the church I grew up in. A comment was once made about me, as a teen boy, wearing sandals to church. My response was that Jesus did it. When I was looking at a Bible college, they tried to talk me out of going to one that had a small association with multiple churches, as that isn't independent. Women who had an abortion should repent or be given capital punishment as being guilty of premeditated murder. The doctor as well. But that should be dealt out by the government, not a sniper in a bush. I should also mention that these were also the MOST genuine believers I had ever known. They would do anything to help a church member in need and go out of their way, even at personal cost or harm, to do what they thought was right.
The works not necessary for salvation probably explains why so many IFBs are such incredibly unpleasant human beings. How is that reconciled with James 2:26?
After being saved by belief in the blood atonement of christ you are imbued with the holy spirit. Because of this indwelling of the holy ghost you are moved to perform good works such as evangelising. Bringing souls to the Lord is the most important of all. If you don’t perform these works you don’t produce any fruit (add souls to the church- the body of Christ) your belief is in vain. Check out the parable of Luke 19:11. Also Romans 3 and 8.
Good job. I'm currently an IFB, simply because it is the closest to the bible I can find. I have been to several and they really can be so different from each other. My current church is the most flexible one I've ever been to. My personal beliefs differ from the official church position on non-doctrinal issues, so it's probably a good thing they don't let women preach.
I just finished reading "I Fired God", am important book with a very unfortunate title. Author grew up in an IFB church and spent time at Bob Jones' (sad excuse for a) University. It is a worthwhile read to find out how abuse can run rampant in these churches. Women are allowed no agency of their own. Joyful submission to the husband is demanded in all things (and I do mean all things.) Most pastors are great fans of corporal punishment and breaking the will of the child. Dozens of IFB pastors have been caught on tape telling their people that if you are not bruising the child, you are not spanking hard enough. Not all families are abusive, but it does happen often and the church will NOT come to a child's defense no matter how hard they are beaten. Fathers rule their families and no one may interfere. Calling on police or Child Protective Services is considered unbiblical and out of God's will. Ministers are king in their congregations and no disagreement is tolerated. Not all pastors are abusive with their power, but if one is, there is nothing you can do about it. They have what Bob Jones called a doctrine of separation. They regard all other churches as liberal and compromised. For instance: Young people are heavily dissuaded from going to Moody Bible Institute. Too compromised. Several ministers refused to work with Focus on the Family. Too compromised. Members may not listen to contemporary Christian music. Too worldly (sorry, no K-Love for you). Bob Jones Jr. said of Billy Graham that he "is doing more harm to the cause of Christ than any living man. He is a heretic." If you want, see the documentary "Independent Fundamental Baptists 20/20" or read "I Fired God" and ignore the title. The author did not walk away from God, she walked away from abuse in the name of God. At least be prepared if you are thinking of going anywhere near one of these churches.
“Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.” 1 Corinthians 8:13 ESV Many of the areas that have Baptist churches have problems with drunkenness so church leaders decided that it was better to simply give up alcohol because it is a stumbling block for other members.
When I was AG (similar view on alcohol), I asked my pastor this question. He said it was grape juice because of insufficient time for the juice to ferment. I didn’t call him on this inconsistency, but I later came to realize that this praxis comes out of the temperance movements in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. At least, so it seems to me. The idea is to not cause another to sin (as the first response suggests). I think this reasoning is the beginning of a slippery slope, and not a great reading of this passage, but I can understand the logic if you don’t believe in the sacramentality of the Eucharist anyway.
Very good analysis except for the Lords supper. Some Independent Baptist churches do use wine for the Lords supper and always have. Most Baptist Church Covenants is an article that says not to use alcohol as a beverage. And they don’t but they do use alcohol as an element of the Lords Supper and always have.
Short and sweet, that's how I like a video. I grew up _(50s & 60s)_ an independent Baptist, before joining Calvary Chapel in the early 70s. And my grandmother founded the first independent Baptist college in her state. Her sister, and my parents, were a part of Bethel Baptist _(other town than grandmother's),_ but was a congregation that refused to join the SBC, thus went independent. If I remember correctly, Bethel denied there are still gifts of the Holy Spirit. But grandmother's did accept, just did not allow tongues in church. 1) Neither church allowed the drinking of *any* alcohol. My grandmother would try to ignore seeing an adult drinking. But, I can remember once; her giving my father _(her favorite son-in-law)_ a _"come to Jesus talk,"_ for him drinking a beer in front of us children. She was *_not happy._* 2) For being Baptists in name; both congregations had a very lazy definition of Baptism. Bethel had that clear glass tub, if anyone wanted to be Baptized. Grandmother's church would have a once a year, go to the river to be Baptized event. But in both cases, it wasn't mandatory. So how and why the term Baptist church started, I don't know. Maybe it came from those 20s and 30s tent revivals. They were heavy on doing Baptisms. 3) I think I was 14 or 15, before knowing that there were other versions of the Bible, other than the KJV. And it took a few more years; before it dawned on me, that they were *all* translations. _(That was a hard pill to swallow.)_ So with over 50 years later, except for deep-diving into scripture _(then original language only),_ the KJV is still my _"chicken soup for the soul"_ Bible. While congregations can vary greatly within the term _Independent Baptist,_ it could be a good church for people to visit, if they have moved to a new town, or just needing a new church. The bone to pick that I have with them, is the same one I have with so many nowadays; _"Young Earth Creationism,"_ and its radical anti-science approach. I don't care one way or another, it's that blindness that that concept creates, that I can't stand to see.
I was trained in and taught in the IFB denomination for several years. I’ve never heard of one not teaching repentance (acknowledgment of and turning from your sin) as a required step toward salvation and while they are independent they are still a close nit group with those of the same teaching. Nor have I heard of any denying the universal church. I’m not saying your wrong on those two points, just that if those views are held by a minority they are so small that I never encountered them despite teaching overseas, on the east coast and on the west coast in that denomination. Unfortunately they have gone from a preference for the KJV to some teaching it is actually inspired. This despite the fact that a prominent founding figure of the group in one of his books said that while he despised the RSV “as the translators (all but one) were openly avowed modernist who did not believe in the Bible or the deity of Christ” he felt that the ASV (at that time) was the most accurate translation available (John R. Rice, Here is my Question, 1962, question 46, page 59). He even points out that the ASV was able to take advantage of manuscripts not available to the KJV translators. Something they disregard (or discredit) today as being of any value for any translation. I miss several things about the IFBC in this day when many Baptist have embraced either Liberalism or Calvinism but I am not sure KJV idolism is any less wrong, and I don’t miss the legalism so common among their congregations. Though I confess my doctrine hasn’t changed much (if any) since I moved to the Conservative Baptist.
FYI some may dislike that I used the term “denomination” for the IFB but despite their dislike of the term they are in fact a loose denomination in many ways.
Dressing up for church is not a requirement except for those in leadership. Our church tries to maintain some modest standards in dress, but we love and welcome people no matter how they choose to dress.
Can somebody please help me understand the subset of IFB Baptists who don't believe baptism is necessary for salvation but that baptisms are only valid if they're done by Baptists? What does validity mean when it's entirely symbolic? I don't understand.
Baptists don't believe marriage is necessary for salvation but they still believe it has to be between one man and one woman to be valid. That's because validity of a practice has nothing to do with whether it is necessary for salvation. Your argument is basically equivalent to saying "If they don't believe marriage is necessary for salvation, then why do they care if it's between a man and a man?" Baptism is what adds a person to the local church and required before voting or taking the Lord's Supper, Baptism is a step of obedience God requires. Baptism is a public profession of one's faith to the congregation. There's lots of things that baptism is, and therefore, if the baptism is invalid, things that it is not.
"Can somebody please help me understand the subset of IFB Baptists who don't believe baptism is necessary for salvation but that baptisms are only valid if they're done by Baptists?" It has to do with the doctrine of where they were baptized, if they do not find the doctrine to be sound of where the person was originally baptized some tend to do this. This is because baptism is viewed as a public profession of faith within the purview of certain doctrines, they want you to observe and confess to what they find to be as sound doctrine. "What does validity mean when it's entirely symbolic? I don't understand." Validity has to do with the doctrines of the church of where the person was being baptized, although (at least according to other IFB including myself) you do not need a valid baptism to be saved, you do need one to pursue a better walk in Christ.
@@__-tn6hw OK thank you. I hope my question didn't come across as dismissive or combative. The word 'necessary' in this context given the Baptist view on baptism wasn't clear to me.
I have found most of your presentations to be done fairly and accurately. The IFB movement has evolved through the years and become more insular and divided than when I first joined an independent Baptist church in 1976. I was saved and baptized in a community church and the Baptist church which I joined did not require me to be rebaptized. Though I preach from the KJV exclusively, I find the other versions helpful. I have not evolved with the movement. The infiltration of King James Onlyism, from my personal observation, did not begin until the mid 1970's. I pastor an independent Baptist church. I think it is important to recognize the wide diversity of independent Baptists. Many can be defined by fellowships, (e.g. - Bible Baptist Fellowship, GARBC, American Baptist Association) others by schools, (Tennessee Temple, Pensacola, Bob Jones University).
I am King James only but I am not King James ugly. I have found proponents of the NIV and ESV to be some of the most hateful "Christians" I have ever met. By the way, here's a True or False statement I have always liked, because anyone with a brain knows the answer without trying to wiggle around it. True or False: "Things that are different are not the same." Keep that in mind when these Bible "versions" contradict one another. Ask yourself, What version is God's Word, since (we know) God can't contradict Himself.
I think the Bible teaches you how to love. Or teaches you you've got to find it. If you loved people none of those boarding schools by IBF would ever oppress and torture teenage girls, or paddle them (which is actually inappropriate of them to begin with) and that Camp Tracey that closed down too from Harvest Baptist Church which was a cesspool of hate and oppression and torture and all manner of pedophilia and rape and "corporal punishment" in the name of "god" Rigid fundamentalism is dangerous, has nothing to do with God or love. It says a parent is to discipline their children, not two men both paddling one teenage girl after another groping each of them after having them pull their pants down or paddle a baby in front of everyone till after he's even done crying! So where's your love then for these girls? The boys too suffered abuse at the camp and by gay staff members, gay couselors.@@LondonFogg
Where does it say in the Bible, a man shall punish a girl with a paddle? Like these awful boarding schools and camps do! I'm against a man laying a finger on a girl let alone discipling them! They went too far at that camp...and I pray they will receive their due recompense for it, they're due punishment for their sick sexual desire!@@LondonFogg
There's also a small sect called the "New" IFB. They hold a mid-tribulation view and are much more strict on modesty standards. Some IFB churches do not hold the modesty dress standards and I would know because I've attended IFB churches since I was in nursery
I would just say to not judge all independent Baptist churches by the few that make the news or run bible colleges. There are definitely things happening in churches and with their leadership that shouldn’t be and that’s sad. It’s the church that should be a refuge and help to hurting people and not the one doing the hurting. There are churches that being a smile to God’s face. Get out there here and find one and plug your self into and be a part of the solution.
I went to a fundamentalist Bible college in the 70s. Worlds collided when we had 2 girls from France enroll. They were horrified that we served coffee in the school, and horrified that we did not allow wine at meals. Our view and thiers were completely reversed. Funny
They're allergic, it seems. Steven Anderson himself claimed that Constantine had Baptists tortured in the dungeons under Hagia Sophia...which wasn't built until 200 years after Constantine's death.
The problem most don’t know what Doctrine they are and what they believe. John 6:28-29. Tells you the Works of God. John 6:40. Tells you the Will of God.
This is pretty accurate. A landmark IFB believes they re the only ones who will be in the bride of Christ and allowed into the New Jerusalem. They believe other Chritians will live on the outskirts of heaven.
I chuckled at the idea of Steven Anderson and Greg Locke in the elite core neighbourhood of Heaven with Jesus, while the likes of Sts Polycarp, Justin Martyr, and Ignatius of Antioch are kept out in the suburbs with the other second-class rabble.
I genuinely wonder how they would understand Heb 12:23 "...the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of [the] righteous made perfect...". Any IFB'ers out there that can explain their teaching as to this verse? Thanks
New Jerusalem where all the born again believers live with Jesus. They didn't get there by water baptism or confession or eucharist. They got there by faith in Paul's gospel 1 cor 15: 1-4
I came to notice the same thing. Only real doctrinal difference is that many in Calvary seem to think you can "give up" your salvation, whereas IFB types would say never.
@@random-J Not all in Calvary think that though. And the ones that do only think that it would be in terms of apostasy. I would disagree though and say that if someone does leave and commits apostasy that they were never truly saved to begin with.
Is there any significant difference between the IFB and the NIFB guys I see advocating for firing squads? (Steven Anderson, and Johnathan Shelley being two prominent examples) The beliefs described here seem to overlap entirely with the clips of them I've seen.
From what I’ve understood the NIFB guys are very anti-Calvinist and anti-Dispensational. They are post-trib premillennialists. And emphasize “hard preaching.” To me, their sermons focus too much on “what can I preach against?”. Instead of expounding on the Word of God and preaching the Gospel.
I've never heard the term NIFB, but I have seen sermons by Steven Anderson. Just like the infamous Westboro Baptist Church, they are an extreme wing that might call themselves IFB, but even most IFB churches would not want to be associated with them (I say that as someone who grew up in IFB churches). Just like there are many differences between people inside the Republican and Democratic parties, and some extreme people who those parties wish didn't carry their label, there are wings of most denominations that other parts of the denomination wish were not there. In this case, since IFB churches are intentionally independent, it's not like there's even a denominational convention to kick them out of.
@@JonesDaBaptist what was I Strawmanning? It’s just what I’ve noticed. Also, when they do talk salvation, it’s always, “I got this person saved.” Salvation is from the Lord, you didn’t do anything.
While I agree with their theology, I have problems with those who have become Pharisaic in their attitude, adopting a "holier than thou" posture and insisting on correcting those who disagree with their position not with love but with absolute venom.
I've been either in or around the IBF all of my life. I went to Baptist Bible College in Springfield Mo. Unfortunately, in the world in which we live, even saved people are not perfect. So, no matter where you go to church you will still be around flawed people. Hopefully, the church that you go to will teach the doctrines of the gospel of Jesus Christ correctly. Salvation is provided by God through the miricle of the Virgin birth of Jesus and his perfect life and ministry and then what really saves us is His death, burial and resurrection from the dead on the 3rd day. Jesus Christ died and paid for all of our sins on the Cross. We are born Spiritually into the family of God as Jesus explains in John chapter 3 KJV. It's not complicated. Memorize John 5:24 KJV.
I still struggle to understand how someone as intelligent as him is a member of this group. They clearly ignore church history and aspects of the Bible despite being convinced it's fully inerrant. It would imply that they would have to respect Peter and Paul as well.
As an independent fundamental baptist myself, you did very well summarizing the beliefs, but not making generalizations for some of the things that only certain IFB churches believe.
I know a pastor (not baptist) that was an alcoholic before he was saved. Every once in a while a church member would send this pastor a bottle of alcohol to try to tempt him and make him fall.
I grew up in an IFB church and went to a Christian college; both were absolutely terrible experiences. Once on my own, I left the church and Christianity altogether. My biggest regret is not leaving sooner.
Same here..I actually went to college and took a historical Bible course and saw how way off the IFB were. They really preach a doctrine of societal regression and the teachings have little to do with the Bible. It’s just a group that wants us stagnant and still living in the 50’s where women shut up and stay home. Men are the king. Thankfully they are dying off as more people have moved to Non Denominational congregations or ear tickling churches as the IFB would say lol. I do have many good memories from church but I work so much these days I don’t ever go. Never again would I step foot in an IFB church however..very close to a cult.
I am sure there are more moderate IFB churches that aren't KJV Only, do not insist on formal dress standards and not so hung up about Contemporary Christian Music. These I would have a lot of time for and the lines between them and non-denom Bible churches who I would identify with are very blurred and only really distinguishable by retention of the title Baptist on their billboard. They probably get viewed with suspicion by the more hardline IFB'ers.
Yes ,They are called pentecostals or reformed Baptists or progressive Baptists, boundaries are there so churches don't liberalise like the southern Baptists years ago.
Is Westboro Baptist an independent fundamental Baptist church? I would like to see a video about what they believe and how it has led to their inflammatory rhetoric, though it doesn't seem like they have been in the news lately.
I really appreciate this channel and also I know how it's hard to generalize effectively in two minutes. One thing though, here are many IFB churches that aren't KJV only.
