If this gets 100,000 likes, I will make a part 2 talking about prosperity gospel, binitarianism, and more Find a NON-heretical church to go to: www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edi...
I disagree with your utter aversion to analogies, since the Fathers used them. The whole point of analogies is that they dont represent reality perfectly, like maps of the globe or the 2D representation of a cube. When you use all the analogies together they point to the truth of the Trinity, just like all projections of the globe point to the truth about it. Just like using Mercator doesnt mean you believe Greenland is half the size of Africa using the analogies dont necessarily point towards heresy. All analogies by definition fall short, even more so an analogy of God. That doesnt mean analogies are intrinsically misleading, only that you need to be careful with them, to not fall into -the belief that antartica is larger than africa- a heresy.
If we go outside Biblical sources. In Jewish mysticism God must be separated from creation because his absolute nature erase any existence (lake of sulphur may be in fact the God himself). Heaven is separated from the God by the barrier, in which there is eight cracks known as Ophanim (in Christianity called Seraphim) who transfer isolated aspects of God into creation, creating eight heavens/virtues. Plus additional barrier what separate truly godless space guarded by four Elemental Angels called Living Beasts (Cherubim), known as Leviathan, Behemot, Ziz and Bael. Who are under control of Angel of Destruction and King of Sheol Sandelphon (Abaddon). Seven heavens are in charge of Angelic princes called Archangels who represent seven virtues and seven Serpahin, who as overmind do not have own personalities and collectively represent God. It is why God in bible say "ours" calling himself. But one of Seraphims represent Sentience itself and as such it has personas, being both Archangel of Wisdom Raziel Helel (The Son) who directly control own domain, King of Angels and Voice of God Metatron (The Father) and mentioned Sandelphon (Holly Spirit of Creation). Those three persona of Sepahims are the Trinity and they are in fact the God.
Demonstrates that god apparently does not care how he is worshipped. I mean, all it would have taken to stop Martin Luther was one conversation with an angel. All it would have taken to stop the Mormons is one Angel showing up at the first sermon, telling evreyone that this guy is high and should not be listened to. Same with Islam. Muslims are worshipping the same god in a different way. God apparently does not care.
do you really wanna talk about it, or just force others to believe as you do? if you wanna talk about it, William Donahue here on youtube has some things to say
@@diogoribeiro3811the Greeks disproved that God cannot simultaneously be all good, all knowing, and all powerful, with simple maths. It’s called the Epicurus paradox.
I tried explaining to one of my 40k friends that there is a god in the 40k universe but the characters don't know him. He thought I meant the Emperor. I told him, no, it's the author of the book.
@@mattk6719 The bible, and Jesus, and God exists in 40k. IIRC the bible itself is considered the most dangerous book in the galaxy among demons, and I think Trazyn has one.
To be fair, that's just how counterfeits work, and ur only gonna find counterfeits of the real thing. If 1 is true the rest are false, plain and simple.
@@brianhasiholanmangoloipard6059Perhaps a time for society to re'Calibri'te their thoughts and decisions? Mayhaps, a time for the pri'Verdana's to go 'Tahoma'? For a better 'Impact' on their 'Futura'? ...I'll see myself out
I think it’s important to recognise that even if your mind can’t fully grasp some of these concepts, it doesn’t reflect on your salvation. Blatantly denying them is one thing, but you can be uneducated and illiterate and still be saved by the grace of God without understanding these things fully. Be blessed! 😊
I mean, if you come to the conclusion that God is multiple gods, then yeah; You're not worshipping God. That's essentially what heresy boils down to. if you are creating a God in a different image than our God, then you aren't actually worshipping God, rather an idol. So yeah. @@magic_honey
@jackboehm8408 But if the biblical texts themselves can confuse genuine readers, how is that fair? Your God isn't very helpful, almost like he doesn't care if we're saved or not.
Suppose I go to a cemetery to pray at a saints grave but someone erroneously points me to the wrong grave and sincerely believing go pray there; will my prayers thus be inefficacious? I think *NOT*
Recently started becoming a Christian after being an edgy athiest for much longer than I would like to admit. These videos have been super helpful with helping me understand the faith. Thank you so much!
My dad had never explain the trinity when I was a kid, and I wasn’t forced to go to any church or forced to learn the Bible, which made me sort of a uneducated Christian. When I started to get more interested in my faith, I watched RU-vid videos like these to expand my knowledge of my own faith and other faiths in comparison. When I finally learned the trinity, my dad almost denounced it as if it was too complicated to understand and too dogmatic, since he grew up in a Catholic household and sometimes goes to Protestant baptists or nondenominational churches. He didn’t even say Jesus was God just the Son of God. I later explained those things to him, as well as predestination and free will to him, and he seemed to understand and was no longer hesitant to admit the Jesus is the one true God, and I’m thankful for the countless videos and knowledge my fellow Christians pursue and make. Even though I am now even more confident in my beliefs as I’ve won multiple debates against my atheist friends, I and still learning about the vast archive that is what we know of God
@@leblackrosethorn3834 The best way I can sum up the Trinity is this long paragraph which does explain some of the heresies as well: Three parts of infinity. Infinity divided by 3, however, infinity can't be divided due to it not being a number but would come out to infinity and so they are all equally infinity. Jesus' human will serves (of own accord) the Father's but is not subordinate, as Christ and the Father have the same divine will and the human will works together with the Father and Holy Spirit and have the same goals due to being of the same essence. The divine essence/soul has three persons equally attached to it and these come from that. They are not separate entities as they share the same divine source/soul. Gnosticism is a heresy as it says humans can connect to the divine like the persons in the Trinity. Rather than the persons of God coming from the essence itself, which humans have no part in. Modalism is heresy because it says that God shows himself as three depending on what is happening rather than three distinct, eternal persons that share the eternal essence. Arianism is a heresy as it denies the divine source of Christ. Nestorianism is a heresy as it divides the two natures of Christ, instead of seeing them as one unit. Imagine a package deal where you can't have one without the other. Theological Liberalism could be seen as a heresy as it tends to deny the deity of Christ, sufficiency of Scripture (debatable if counts as heresy), and denies the full extent of mankind's sin.
Ok so how do you explain these verses if there's One triune God? Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is One." John 10:30 "I and My Father are One." John 14:9b "He who has seen Me has seen the Father." God does not exist as three because as God's Son Jesus is God, and Jesus' Spirit is the Holy Spirit. All the positions of the Godhead are summed up through Jesus Christ. Trinitarians(80% of the Christian world)commit the partialist heresy by creating two more persons. Jews and Oneness Christians, like myself, know God is One God in One person. Look up the word Trinity in the Bible and you won't find it, but look up verses about Oneness and you will find there are over 200 verses that affirm the Oneness of God
@@clintparker oneness Christians love to take that verse out of context. Let me ask you something, you realize that the word used in the old testament for the Lord being one, is the same word used to describe a union? You heretics don't even realize it. Yall stick to pure english translations since if you read what it actually says, it contradicts you. Y'all barely have scripture to back you up
If it's only one person, how could the holy spirit come down as a dove and the father speak through the clouds, as well as Jesus be baptized at the same time? Explain that then, you're using arguments from silence, the "why is Trinity word not in bibel" like some monkey who can't do 2 and 2, thats like saying the word Bible isn't in the Bible.
@@metroplier8392 everything you've said is 100% heretical. I can only pray for those offended by the Truth that they come to know the Truth: that "the Lord is our God, the Lord is One."
@@metroplier8392 we have more Scripture to back our beliefs, which are not heretical, that Trinitarianism AKA a form of partialism does. Verses that affirm Trinitarianism: 0. Verses that affirm Oneness and deny the Trinity: over 200
Jesus was killed for heresy. The heretic they tied to the wood of the stake signifies jesus tied to the wood of the cross. The extreme pain the heretic suffered signifies the extreme pain Jesus suffered. The mortification of the flesh of jesus signifies the morification of the flesh of the heretic. The Pharisees signify the priests. The kings and rulers who oversee the execution signify pontius pilate and the local leaders. The trial and procession the heretic went through signify the trial and procession Jesus went through. Jesus said: "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it." The religion of Christianity is devoted to being a heretic and then being brutally killed for it, thus imitating or mimicking Jesus. That is why it is obsessed with the concept of heresy and is devoted to bashing each other as heretics. All this is hidden in cryptic demonic ways.
I remember studying Gnosticism in high school. Like you said RZ, the lore is ridiculously complex and confusing to the point that it’s basically just a different religion that uses Christianity as the foundation. In Gnosticism the “God” of the Old Testament is not even God. He’s some demigod or some sort of lesser god. It’s worth studying to understand how pervasive this idea of “spiritual good, physical bad” is and how it has affected modern Christian sects. Interesting side note: The creators of the Matrix movies are Gnostics. The films are essentially Gnostic allegories. My literature teacher had my class watch the first movie at home and try to pick out where the Gnostic influence/message came into play.
Ok... There is one God the Father. Jesus is a god but he is not God. Jesus is the only begotten of the Father and the holy spirit is not a god he's a spirit. All three are seperate and distinct individuals but are apart of the Godhead. God, the individual we worship is our father who created us all. Jesus Christ his only begotten son is the mediator of his plan to get us imperfect mortal children back home to father. Through Jesus Christ and his example and sacrifice we are saved and will return home. The holy spirit speaks to us and helps us in are daily lives to navigate this evil world. Im starting to notice that "Christianity" isn't very christian and is completely wrong and full of heresy's of the actual gospel of Jesus Christ. This makes me sad for all the people who are deceived by Satan into not knowing this. 😢
@@steffen5121 that's not true. The church makes you think you're dumber than to be able to understand god. When the bible says "your god is not the author of confusion" Modern Christianity is peganism disguised as monotheism
Well, we come from a long line of snake farmers, but ta tell ya da truth, business has been real bad lately He literally referenced this video in the examples he gave, it’s so good
Thank you RZ for this video! Your content has really been helping me getting my faith back recently. Keep doing what you are doing! Ignore the haters that have polluted the comments of this video, as they clearly have nothing interesting to say. God bless! ✝
I don't understand this video. If God isn't 3 parts and pelagianism is not true, then how does Jesus' crucifixion make sense? God sent his son, who is also himself, to die for us, even though He can't die, because He's eternal, and was sent to Hell, even though God is existence itself as you said in another video, so if Hell is devoid of God's presence, Hell doesn't exist, to save the righteous who were sent to Hell and also prove in his ressurection that he had gained victory over the powers of Hell, that is, the problems of sin and death, problems God (also Jesus) created in the first place by punishing all of us with original sin due to Adam and Eve's sin that clearly wasn't our fault. What is this?!
@@aaronmontgomery2055No, because even with warhammer's absurdity and childish jokes, it's still better written than the abrahamic religion. More interesting to.... Blood for the blood god.
Great let’s glorify dismissing someone before even letting him speak. Wow you guys are definitely the true non heretic Christian, well done. You definitely read Isaiah 13:11 and Proverbs 16 and apply it everyday. Nice.
@@vatt3436Okay that’s true but he literally said one can’t make analogies between the Holy Trinity and any earthly thing because the trinity isn’t like anything in the world, so any analogy can effectively be dismissed
As an atheist, I always find it amusing when I'm debating with a liberal Christian, and they end up spouting actual heresy trying to come up with a counter-argument. Like, if you can't even get your own theology right, why should I give you any legitimacy?
@@IDoThings490 What has God got to do with humans intellect?? The Bible says we can't fully comprehend God. If you think you can, then that's not God.
When I was very little, my dad tried explaining the trinity to me, and how it was a complex and infinite subject, but I thought I figured it out and told him I had it solved it, and that god just switched back and forth between the three of them, basically modalism. He was veeerrry quick to explain that thats was NOT it 😂
After watching this i become kinda glad i'm good old atheist. I believe that if you catch any "devoted" Christians which regularly attend church and start ask them this deep questions about Jesus nature you will have bunch of heretics in no time because almost nobody really give much of thinking to all that details.
You're not wrong. Most so-called Christians are just using it as an in-group singifier. It explains the current trend for "conversion" to Catholicism with high profile conservatives. Why Catholicism? It's the first church that springs to mind.
I love this channel. It helps me stand stronger in my faith. I thank my math teacher for introducing this channel through the "Arguments of God Explained" video.
@@Mystic879 First of all, I'm not in the United States. I'm in Canada. Secondly. I go to a Christian school, and the video I was talking about is the "Arguments about God explained" video, not this one.
@@Amfortas If you had good evidence you wouldn't be saying "he owes me nothing" Instead you would be giving me on good piece of evidence that he exists. But you don't have any good evidence so you make up an excuse like this. OH, and he does owe me because a threat without evidence isn't really a threat. His message is quite clear. He sent Jesus to threaten all mankind. Either believe in him, love and obey him and if you don't he will torture you in the most possible way for eternity by throwing you into his torture pit called Hell. So yeah, you do owe me at minimum one good piece of evidence that he exists because god won't. Why would an all powerful, all knowing god who loves me not give me just one good piece of evidence he exists? This should not be a problem for him to do since he supposed to be able to do anything possible. Instead he has to rely on humans to spead his word, just like every other religion - none of these gods provide good evidence they exist. In other words you are just like every other religion with no good evidence for the existence of their god or gods. Same old story, faith, personal testimony(AKA personal experience and ancient books full of contradictions with stories proven by science to be false.
Im an athiest, but i do believe understanding other religions and practices is important for people to come together and understand one another, so thanks for the education
@@thereal4815this is funny considering most religious people are religious because of their lack of knowledge. Knowledge being facts or even reading the Bible. Not intelligence
I recently saw a post talking about Christianity and how “if your religion says that you are so irrdeemably bad that the literal God of the universe had to send his son down to die to fix it, your worldview is incredibly messed up”. This video made me realize two things. One: this take COMPLETELY ignores the love behind this action. God didn’t HAVE to do that. He could have left us alone and let us all be slaves to sin. But he didn’t. Jesus came down, *willingly*, to save us from ourselves. Two: This take ignores that Jesus and God are not entirely separate beings. John Chapter 1 and John 10:30 come to mind as they emphasize that God the Son and God the Father are one and the same. God didn’t cruelly send some “other” person to pay the price for our sin. He Himself came down to pay that price.
As i Catholic I've esperienced many arguments with protestants about Virgin Mary where they told me that she is't mother of God just his "human part" or whatever. Good to know this heresy has an actual name.
@@WARLORDDOM I should have made this more clear but some of the heresies made more sense than the explanation of the trinity any thing you could recomend I watch that goes more in depth.
It's important to understand the heresies because it's so easy to fall into them. "It all seems a bit nitpicky." "If it comes down to one's eternal soul, I'll split as many hairs as it takes."
The thing that's wild is that the whole "believe I'm God or you'll go to hell" thing is a purely Christian invention. Like... Judaism, the religion from which Christianity came, has no belief in hell nor anything that really compares to hell. In Judaism, everybody goes to heaven - some souls just take longer to get there.
I mean you have to first believe you have an eternal soul. Which you can neither prove nor rebute. So really it's a matter of "will this make me happy" and in some cases yes. But I'd say religion as a whole makes people unhappy.
I genuinely like this explanation vid even though Im not a christian. As a buddhist, we do suffer the same problem that ppl interpret the scriptures to suit their beliefs and completely forget about reaching Nirvana
I'm Christian and I've been studying shintoisme for research purposes. Would you say that Buddhism in Japan had been watered down because of shinto? Or has it retained the essentials?
@@workinpromobuddhism has regional variants everywhere and (folk buddhism) and is infused and spliced moreso than watered down. actual plain buddhism isn't even a typical religion but rather a philosophical exercise.
@@dentelle2190 I see, and this is not an issue for the Dalai Lama or any Buddhist authority that the religion has many shapes based on local beliefs? The philosophical exercise you talked about I've heard some defend it but does this include reincarnation and the different planes of existence too or no?
No matter the religion, I've noticed only a very few adhere to the actualy doctrine set forth by the original material. That begs the question then, what one believes is the true doctrine has that then been changed over time and we simply don't know what we don't know.
or for warhammer fantasy, heresy is saying that you saw a bipedal ratman using advanced weapons, as as we all know the skaven are but a myth. Update: the skaven were in fact not a myth and have tried to crash the moon into the planet.
Now let's make a video on the various conceptions about the natures of the four Chaos Gods and about Chaos itself (and the matter of the Horned Rat yes-yes) !
I really appreciate this video because you are the counterpart to my own perspective. We both agree that correctly understanding what God is and who Jesus is is important. Whereas you’ve decided to accept it without perfect understanding, I have rejected it because I cannot truthfully process but what I don’t understand to be true either logically or experientially.
I love the map that you've made of all the non-heretical churches you've compiled. Is there a link somewhere where we can suggest churches that we attend, and if they aren't heretical you could add them to the map too?
You should definitely make an episode addressing islams objections to Christianity (“corrupted scripture”, Jesus doesn’t claim to be God, contradictory ideas, etc.) I feel like it’d be great with your video structure
Also how literally every historian of the first century agrees that the fact that Jesus was crucified is absolutely certain. The Quran insists that He was not crucified
Bruh he doesn't need to the fact that "prophet" Muhammed is an apollinarianism version of Jesus is clear enough evidence that there's no theologically sound reason Islam can be right in any way
What you are looking for is Sam Shamounian, look up his vids on youtube. He explains the mistakes/lies in islam and judaism, dissects their anti christian arguments, explains the errors in translation of greek, hebrew, arabic words used in scripture or quran. There is also the yt channel called TheArchive, its a place where particular clips from Sams livestreams are stored.
@@michaeltagor4238 receiving revelation from god does not mean you have a divine mind. Muslims don't believe the prophet pbuh had any attributes of god at all.
@@calebklingerman7902 actually in Quranic lore it says that Jesus wasnt crucified but Yudas Iskarot was. It was made to appear that he was Jesus because god whilst literal Jesus was brought to the heavens which im pretty sure hes still alive to this day. (Didnt come to argue but simply stating an interesting perspective from a religion with completely different values)
excited for this one!! lol I’m working on the first Spanish video translation of your channels most popular videos, it’s just gonna take me a while cause I’m a full time student and working part time job
Man, here in Latin America we need a lot channels like this one, because we got a lot of heretic videos full with Superstition and with no doctrine. This is the kind of RU-vid channel that we need here. Thanks to god (sorry for my bad english)
Months ago i prayed to God "If there's a faulty in me that i don't know of, please tell me so i can change" I thought He will tell me from a life experience. I never even thought that He will tell me directly that i believed in 2 heresy these past years through your PPT-like meme video lol. God bless your soul, m8
Can you make a video on cults to watch out for, especially on college campuses? Yesterday I was approached by two ladies asking me if I knew about "God the Mother" who apparently is a South Korean lady that Jesus prophesized about in Revelation? Thankfully I wasn't deceived but I worry someone with less biblical knowledge would have been, especially since their flyer for their Bible study said "Heavenly Family and Earthly Family" which sounds innocent to the average college student, especially if they were raised Christian but don't have solid Biblical or theological knowledge.
Generally just stay away from any cult/sect/denomination that aren't mainstream Christianity. There's reason they aren't mainstream, and it's not anything good.
I'd say watch out for any cult. Try following a well-known denomination, ideally a high church one that believes in real presence in the sacraments and that has tradition (ideally Roman Catholic imo)
@@justhair17 yeah, if you want the “true” teachings that the apostles taught then definitely join one of the apostolic churches. Either Eastern Orthodoxy or some rite of Catholicism, would be the ideal.
They're from a group called the World Mission Society Church of God. Strange group that purports to worship a Christ-like woman in South Korea. Check out the Wikipedia page for them it's weird stuff.
It's strange that Arians are condemned as terrible heretics, while there isn't a single verse that says that the son existed eternally. But there are lots of verses and concepts that imply that there was a time when the son was not. The most obvious would be that he is called "son of God". God was first, the son came later. It's even stranger that subordinationism is called a heresy because there are lots of verses that clearly teach that Jesus is still subordinate to God after his resurrection and glorification in heaven. And there isn't a single verse that teaches that the son is eternally co-equal with the Father. For that reason every church father of the first three centuries was a subordinationist.
@@intimidate45 This verse doesn't pose any threat to Arian theology. Arians believed that Jesus existed before Abraham, but not since eternity past. That's an infinite difference. You will probably say, that this verse says that Jesus is Yahweh. No, it doesn't. The Greek "ego eimi", I am (he), is not a way of refering to Yahweh. Otherwise the boy in John 9:9 would also claim to be Yahweh. Jesus is claiming to be the light of the world - John 8:12, 9:5. He was that light, the hope of humanity already before Abraham. Already after the Fall in Genesis 3 was the snake-crushing seed prophesied. That was about 2000 years before Abraham. Jesus testifies in the same chapter that his Father is the God of the Jews = Yahweh (v. 54) and that he is a MAN who testifies of the truth that he has heard from GOD (=Yahweh). He clearly distinguishes himself from Yahweh. If saying "I am" would be claiming to be Yahweh I would blaspheme God, whenever I said "I am hungry", "I am tired" or "I am a sinner".
The council of Nicaea was called by the Roman state to clarify what Christ was, about 75 years after Arius was born. The Trinity was/is arguably just an instrument of the Empire to solidify its state religion.
@@pascalfelleiter7740 John 1:1 alone can disprove the goofy Arius. Moreover, the "I AM" that Jesus used is way different than using normally like we do. If you read the context in the bible, you will see Pharisees were trying stone Jesus because they had read and understood somewhat of the old testament and knew the reference that Jesus was saying.
@@skipslash7367i pray that you actually stop suppressing the truth like Romans 1 says, and you repent. if you stay in your sin your going to hell. i urge you to repent. i could easily destroy your worldview in a debate but i’m guessing you probably don’t want to debate. i hope you come to Christ.🙏 you need him. your worldview is crushed without him.
@@Veltresworld suppressing the truth? suppressing what truth? that i should give up all my power and faith in myself and give myself up to some imaginary higher power? sorry, no, as i have a good relationship with my father, unlike you
@@skipslash7367 and this is why you love sin. John 8:44: "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires." You need to repent immediately. you don’t believe in God? that’s a truth claim. where do you get truth outside of God??
This video was so well done. Thank you! Liked, favourited, and subscribed. Also, does anyone know what that orchestral piece was when Gnosticism came up? What was beautiful.
Yeah, this is why the trinity to me is needlessly complicated. Having read 3 versions of the bible the implication I got was simply Jesus was God's son and we worship God through Jesus as he is the vessel of our salvation. Much simpler than all this trinity nonsense.
@@cosmictraveler731 why not worship the God that Jesus worshipped? Jesus didn´t say "pray to me" or pray through me", he said pray to the Father alone. follow religion OF Jesus, not religion ABOUT Jesus.
@@blacksnapper7684 yet in the following verse Jesus says he and disciples are one just like he is one with the Father. Are disciples gods too? John 17:3 Jesus says the ONLY TRUE GOD is the Father, and Jesus is someone who that Father sent. Jesus says on multiple occasions he is only doing the will of the Father. Jesus also says the geatest commandment is ”Hear O Israel! Your God is One!” Jesus also says Father is greater than he (Jesus). He also says ”I am going back to my Father and your Father, my God and your God”. Does God have a God? Not ONCE did Jesus say you should worship him, or that he is god. Yet multiple times he says Father is the greatest, Father is the Only True God, worship only the Father and so on. Again: follow religion OF Jesus, not religion ABOUT Jesus. Jesus didn’t preach christianity, and he wasn’t a christian.
im an atheist, so i understand if you dont like me, but i always find religion so interesting and love learning about other people's world views. Very cool video
TBH, I think this video is probably making more people irreligious. It only "makes sense" (ie - it completely does not) to people that are already faithful. To those that are wavering in their faith, it show how illogical the most fundamental tenets of Christianity are and might actually push them to abandon what little faith they had had. So, I guess score one for atheism? If you want actually useful explanations of Christianity that don't attempt to make sense (because it doesn't), check out Ready to Harvest. At least there, there's no attempt to rationalize the irrational. The presenter/content is almost completely Christian and is as about non-biased as could be.
As a Christian I'd rather be friends with a understanding Atheist than a dogmatic, hateful Christian. Wanting to understand others, imo, is a good way to show love to others and I respect those who do their best to show this kind of love wherever possible.
Honestly, I think I like you on the sole fact you’re not a dogmatic (fill in the blank) with your views. I myself respect and study other peoples views, because I find it fascinating and interesting to learn, even though I am still Christian. I see where you’re coming from
The Biblical Unitarian RU-vid channel is an opposing perspective. Although they wouldn’t go as far as Redeemed Zoomer has, nor be as arrogant and angry about it
That little "that's mooodalism pahtrick" tucked away at the top was hilarious! I heard the voice! Thanks for that. Need to go back and rewatch. Great video, by the way, very informative.
3:48 Humans trying to understand the trinity is like a 2D person trying to make sense of a 3D object, there's a good analogy. edit: thanks for the likes but please stop arguing with each other in the comments, I'm not a bible expert or a scientist.
@@sponge6171because that is a good analogy, a 2d person knows a 3d world exists and is logical but unfathomable Hence why the trinity is logical but unfathomable
Truth, thats the goal, seek all Truth, being wrong or right implies a deep sense of pride and that gets us *no where*. A phrase I deeply look forward to coming into full realization is "On Earth as it is in Heaven" oh how beautiful everything will become, its hard to imagine cause so many things of His creation is so beautiful now.
@@therealmaskriz5716 Sure, but there's a plethora of scriptures that contradict the trinity as its advertised. "Aryanism", as we like to call it today, is well known to have been the defacto belief until somewhere in the ball park of 150ad to 200ad, long after the apostles died. It is well understood that NONE of the figures in the bible taught or believed in the trinity, and the trinity as understood today is a "sacred secret" which the biblically scholars discovered later on. Whether you choose to believe the trinity as advertised is up to you, but no there is no reason that considering the bible forces you to be a trinitarian as there are many Christian beliefs that don't. The term "Christian" was coined in the first century to denote a follower of Christ, not someone who believed he was God. You can carry the name Christian simply by following his ways, you do not have to believe he was God and that he requires worship.
I would note that he is a Calvinist. So there is a bias of his own within the theology he follows. I’d take his explanations with a grain of salt. His explanation of Pelagianism is a term Calvinists throw on non-Calvinists to metaphorically beat them into submission to Calvinism. I’d suggest reading more on what Pelagius _actually_ taught before using this video as a template for your dive into Christianity.
@klaustheViking is right, this video is excellent, but its explanation of Pelagianism is where it falls short. We aren't born guilty of Adam's sin, or God would judge us for Adam's sin on Judgement day, and we know God judges us for our own sin, not the sin of others. We aren't born sinful (as in guilty of sin). We are born with a fallen nature that is fatally inclined to sin (will sin given the opportunity.) This is why babies don't go to hell if they die, they aren't held responsible for sins they didn't commit. Also there is the age of acountability, but that requires some more biblical research/explanation than I can give in a RU-vid comment. Like I said though, great video apart from the Pelagianism explanation.
But babies do sin. Our fallen nature leads all of us to sin constantly in everything we do. Their sins are miniscule and trivial in comparison to what we do, of course, but if you believe that they have souls then you must believe that they have the guilt of sin, the same as we all do. So what happens to them? The answer is that nobody knows. My belief is that everyone who has not accepted Christ due to ignorance or incapacity is, at the moment of death, given a full and perfect knowledge of the Truth, and is given one final opportunity to believe in Jesus then.
Your work/post/clip/video needs to screened in every Church. That is absolutely correct. Every Church must screen this video. Thank You Philippians 4:23
Dude, according to this Video I am a Heretic on about 4 Levels because I try and follow what the bible says and not what I was taught growing up. I had loads of questions too, because what I was taught growing up never fully meshed with the Scriptures. There is another channel you may like that helped me figure it all out. It is called Kingdom in Context. He has also been called a heretic, but I don't think that matters. We are all trying to seek the truth. You can call me a Mary Poppins for all I care, as long as I am seeking and following truth. Good luck on your Journey my brother, may you find and build a relationship with the God that you already know exists.
With due respect, that’s a terrible thing to say. We should want to get Jesus right lest we end up like the Muslims Mormons or jehova’s witnesses! We as a flock must not go astray
With all due respect, that's a terrible thing to say. We should try to respect other people's beliefs even if they don't align with our religion! This way we won't create unnecessary religious conflict ;)@@toastydoge9934
@@vSwampFox Which heresy does the Protestant church commit? If it's something created by the Catholic church, does it have a scriptural basis? Legitimate questions - not trying to pry or be sarcastic. No church or denomination has the power to denounce something unless it is directly in contradiction with a scriptural commandment or obvious truth. Anything else is man-centered. The reason for sola scriptura is that, if you are starting at any other point than directly God's words which came from Him, it is going to be inherently flawed. 1 Cor 4:6 is a good text for this.
@@N1c2k3 Well it's probably important for you to figure out first, why you have the premise in your mind to say these phrases. I'm surely not one to be able to spend all kinds of time debating on the internet, but being as you asked, here's what I'd consider if I were in your position, asking the questions you are asking. Quote/ "No church or denomination has the power to denounce something unless it is directly in contradiction with a scriptural commandment or obvious truth". "Anything else is man-centered." " The reason for sola scriptura is that, if you are starting at any other point than directly God's words which came from Him, it is going to be inherently flawed." /end Quote That alone is quite the list of things already preconceived in your mind. Especially considering, scripture contradicts what you're saying. -God gave the Apostles the authority to bind and loose. What did they Bind & Loose? A lot of things. Both before Christ's death, and after. Not all of which are written in what you call the Bible. -"Obvious Truth", is a completely subjective statement. -There is no holy scripture, instructing the apostles, nor the disciples, to collect, and decipher books being written by themselves, and then declare which of these hundreds of books are or are not worthy for divine teaching. The only scripture that even attempts to covers such a task, is the authority given to them, by Jesus, to Bind & Loose. -Sola Scriptura is a man made belief philosophy taught by very late Christian sects. Ancient Christendom, never mentions this ideology. Ever. Plus, Paul himself contradicts this belief system, when he instructs his listeners of the things they are to do, that are not written, but are heard and passed down through tradition. Not to mention, there was no bible during the time of their teaching and preaching. Hope this helps you on your journey. I'm certain it's plenty food for thought. PS- If you are really interested in deep history, regarding Christianity, NewAdvent \.org is an incredible resource for historical writings. Cheers
as someone who has personally met God (He revealed himself to me, in the way that He does lol), I'm really not sure if He super duper cares about the specifics of these sorts things or how we worship. Like call Him Yaweh, Allah, or whatever, I didn't get the impression that He cares all that much, just wants to be worshipped and appreciated for creating this world and giving us the gift of life. honestly, I got the impression that He's kind of a prankster and just likes messing with us, the way you would mess with a friend by convincing them that turtles molt their shells or something silly like that. God is pretty chill I would have to say, but I certainly would not want to get on His bad side lol
@@ZollaREAL I can't remember where it was in the Bible, but Jesus (who is God), told a crowd of people that they should not burn incense or offerings to the Lord, for the smell offends Him. essentially what I'm trying to say is we aren't worshiping God in a way that pleases Him, but rather in a way that pleases ourselves. Like Christians are so married to the dogma that they forgot what it means to love God
Very nice vid! Started watching your vids recently and I really like the topics you talk about. I didn't know that explaining the trinity in terms of analogies was a heresy! It's done by a lot of Sunday school teachers here in our coptic churches, will be sure to spread the word, thank you.
It's not a heresy to use analogies, but it's more like a mistake of argumentation. The reason is because God is bigger than our universe, so all attempts to explain Him by referencing the universe will produce inaccuracies if you look too closely. This video explains some cases of how analogies actually create heresy when taken too literally: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KQLfgaUoQCw.html
Based on the info on Liberalism that can also fit those who fly the American flag around their churches and preach more about Republican politics than about Christ and theology. Interesting! Great post!!! ❤
Absolutely. Republicans and democrats are basically identical on a spiritual level, politics is depraved. Unless your politics are promoting the Social Kingship of Christ, they belong outside of God's house.
“Before Him all the nations are as nought, as nothing and void He counts them” Isaiah 40:17, that includes the United States. Idolatry and blasphemy is all that’s behind the hood of nationalism
Yes that is valid. Tying nationality to religion corrupts both. One must live in the world, but to worship a government of man is not the intent of the gospel ministry. Divorcing the endeavor from the dictates of man's governments is one of the things that brought forth the executions and suffering. This is not to say that your relationship with God is to be completely ignored when functioning in community, commerce or governance. The enlightened morality can impose heavy consideration on your choices at voting....but you can't vote your way to salvation. C S Lewis often said, my nation is not my church....which is ironic of an Anglican to say when the national elected government appoints the Archbishop and places them in the PMs Cabinet.
Sir, this is psychological projection on your part. You are a man who dismisses two thousand years of careful and precise thought on a difficult issue sides with those who yearn for a more simplistic and less thoughtful version, and claims the thoughtful man is thoughtless, and the thoughtless man is thoughtful.
My favorite thing about being a Christian is similar to to my favorite thing about quantum mechanics/unified field theory. The deeper the study goes, the more it makes sense, but the more you realize you still need to learn and will never fully understand this side of eternity.
Yeah, this is why the trinity to me is needlessly complicated. Having read 3 versions of the bible the implication I got was simply Jesus was God's son and we worship God through Jesus as he is the vessel of our salvation. Much simpler than all this trinity nonsense.
@@cosmictraveler731amen to that brother. If God wanted us to believe Jesus was somehow also God... I would think he would explicitly say so. Rather we get Jesus saying things like "The Father dwells in me and I dwell within the Father" and "The Father tells me what to say, and I say it" and "My will is the will of the Father"
well the thing is, heresy isn't necessarily sinful. there's a huge difference between misunderstanding the trinity vs, just making up an example here, saying that God is infinitely evil. the former is a heresy, and the latter is also a heresy, but more importantly, it's extremely blasphemous.
@@cosmictraveler731 The Trinity is not complicated at all. I'll explain it in two sentences. There is one God: Jesus (the Son) is God, the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. And none of them are each other. Done. With a little faith in a transcendent being beyond total human comprehension, this doctrine is easy (and fun!) to accept.
@@beamshooter John 10:30-33 John 17:21-22 John 1:1-5 John 5:18 John 8:58 Actually maybe just read the whole Gospel of John again. Jesus explicitly claims to be God multiple times.
Being a Sikh person this is one of my favourite channels about abrahamic religions since it helps me expand my knowledge about other forms of worships and also understand things in more perspective. (Also helps that I can nerd out infront of my friends at times, i know not a very good hobby) Edit: guys stop fighting. It's fine if something is far right or far left, we should focus more on what's the current content of the video, and the comment (in this case my comment) more.
@@BurnBird1 i understand, and honestly at the end of the day I am just here to learn about stuff, religious politics is a very messy and complex issue which a smart person should avoid unless necessary. So there's that.
@@rishabhsingh357 That's fine, I just wanted to make sure that you kept that in mind. If you are interested in some more scholarly sources, I would heavily recommend "Religion for Breakfast" and "Let's Talk Religion" They do cover much more than just Christianity, but they have some excellent videos on early and different branches of Christianity.
As someone who is not theistic, doesnt care about this, and still watched the whole video out of curiousity about what these arguements are, I gotta say, this is quite a thorough and logical breakdown. Very nice.
The fact the RZ is not Orthodox amazes me. I was on a similar road to the one he is on earlier in my life. After decades of studying and searching for truth I found the embrace of Holy Orthodoxy. Its hard to describe but such is the providence of God.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Yes of course it's possible and given what little I know about you from your channel I would say that its more than likely that you have investigated Orthodoxy at length. You strike me as very studious. That however doesn't change the fact that I am amazed. Please forgive me if I have offended you with that comment. The direction I see your channel going in is the same direction I was going in prior to my conversion. Including my rejection of Orthodoxy which lasted for quite a while. I also just want to say that I think you are a top tier content creator, thank God for your channel. I'm sure you are responsible for many new Christians. God Bless!
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Orthodoxy and Protestantism are similar in that they both reject the unifying and authoriative office of the Pope, and therefore lack an organ of divinely-appointed infallible teaching to prevent them from falling into heresy.
As a Muslim I'm glad that I found this channel, it's difficult to find people who like to look at theology as more than just "if you don't believe what I believe the way I believed it then you're a sinner and you deserve hellfire" it's very refreshing to see such intellect applied to religion, thank you for your work my friend.
despite your gracious comment,you are walking in deception and WILL end up in hell unless you come to faith in Jesus Christ as your savior.Muslims are NOT saved.You can recieve this as an attack but it is a warning and a declaration of Gods truth
@@kirklyles1705 Thank you for your concern but I've been around the block theologically and I'm fairly certain with my decision, I love you for who you are, do I believe that you are not worshipping the almighty as he is meant to be worshipped? Of course. Do I believe that you'll most likely see hellfire on the day of judgement? Of course. The difference between our beliefs is just that; I can recognize that these are my beliefs and that the only entity of decision, truth, forgiveness and judgment is the one true creator, the almighty, the most merciful, the most gracious, alhamdulillah. I appreciate your concern but these types of comments and statements are exactly what sent me away from Christianity. I'm fully aware of what the Bible says and what the church has to offer, but I've found the only thing that i can genuinely say is the continuation of true monotheism; the only theology that is the true continuation of Abraham's (AS) teachings and faith. I understand your concern, yet it is unnecessary; I know on the day of judgement my heart will be weighed and tested, I ask the almighty to have mercy on us all, Allahu Akbar 🛐
Your comment made me smile. I think one thing that any god - Allah or God or any other that someone believes in, are proud when we can live and exist in harmony side by side even with our differences. I believe that war is not what God wants us to do, and sometimes words can sound like someone declaring war on you. I am used to Muslim comments on my profiles telling me that I will suffer, likewise you have here a Christian who comes on quite strong and aggressive underneath your comment. I would just like to say thank you for making me smile, and remember that no matter what religion someone believes in, they can be a good person. I hope you have a blessed life. 😊
Damn you really called me out! Just realized I have indeed pretty much been living like a Gnostic. The idea that God cares for and truly values this broken physical world is insane to me but the more I think about it the more I realize it's true. I think this is maybe your most important video for Christians because it highlights the little inconsistencies we may have been having about what we actually believe that isn't biblical. God bless you brother
Except this physical world is not "broken". It is God's great & wonderful Creation. It is not fallen. True Gnosis is Knowledge. Christianity is Superstition. For someone denigrating Gnosticism it's funny how Christians incorporated much of Pseudo-Gnosticism in their hatred of God's glorious Creation as being somehow Corrupted. Bible was Written by Men, Compiled by Men, interpreted by Men. Every step of that was a Political one with what written, what complied, what interpretations of the text to be taken all taken as Political decisions.
in what way is the world "broken"? what would an "unbroken" world look like? a world without problems? if so it seem that there is nothing of value to do in such a world because nothing can be improved.
There's nothing wrong with gnosticism - even the crudely oversimplified version of it summarized in this video. It was one of the first versions of Christianity to show up in the Apostolic period. Why dismiss it? Just because NIcean Christianity bullied its way to the front in the 4th century, thanks to the political power of Constantinople? As far as we know, some of the apostles could have been gnostic.
Hey, I love watching your videos, I learn a lot from them. You should definitely make one about Jehovah's witnesses if it's not already the case, maybe I missed it. Thank your your hard work, God Bless ❤
As an Orthodox Christian I found your video quite informative and entertaining and, at any rate, very cleverly done. Especially the part about the natures of Christ which indirectly opens the discussion about the Virgin Mary which has sparked debates between Roman Catholics and Orthodox on one side and most Protestant denominations on the other. A theological '"can of worms" that you masterfully avoided to open and rightfully so, I may add. Overall, well done!
@@nicetryfbi438 No i'm talking about the origins of conservative ideology, depending on what your opinion of the origin (France or America) then it was either built off a Tyrannical environment or one with slavery EDIT : i also forgot to mention that conservatism is directly incompatible with christianity, due to the generally "me first" regressive core of the ideology conflicting with the more communal and worker focused teachings of jesus
Orthodox Christians, as well as the reformers (e.g. Luther and Calvin) affirmed that Mary is the mother of God. But yeah, Catholics are most likely to defend it.
@@pedroguimaraes6094catholics are in error when they affirm the immaculate conception as it suggests that she did not require salvation. No orthodox congregation would agree with this theology.
@@meina0614 1- We aren't talking about the immaculate conception. My comment and his comment were about Mary being Mother of God 2- In the Immaculate Conception Mary is *saved* from original sin at the same moment God created her soul. And it is God's Grace constantly *saving* her from falling into sin during her whole life. But of course the orthodox disagree with the immaculate conception, as they generally disagree with the augustinian notion of original sin.
