India and US need to Redefine What Partnership Means in the 21st Century 

Samir Saran was assertive, factual & since he's not a diplomat, he was calculatively aggressive. I absolutely loved it.

As an INDIAN lets be very FREAKING CLEAR, We dont bloody share "your" values, WE HAVE OUR OWN VALUES, WE ARE DIFFERENT. The only reason we are collaborating is because of shared INTERESTS. THATS IT! 1:00:33, this lady shamelessly virtue signals, Its like INDIA picking up some BLM incident & virtue signaling. Its our internal matters, WE ARE A DEMOCRACY BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE DEMOCRACY, Lets not forget how your regime supported the GENOCIDE of Bengalis in 1971 or you still run concentration/torture camps in Guantanamo Bay or the n- number of Hr violations your conducted under the pretext of "War on Terror".

US: Toe our lines on global issues and we will mark you a perfect Democracy and human right-er. India: Last we checked, we are a sovereign nation and free to choose and uphold our national interests. US 😳😡🤬

THE RANT 57:10 😂😂 A recent colonial behaviour of the so called defender of democracy and Human rights, US wants to redo East Timor all over again...As per the Bangladesh's PM, US is pressurising them to give them a military base like Pakistan. And when they denied, US started commenting over their elections, which was never an issue before a sovereign Bangladesh choose not to make itselff another battleground.

soUth aSia, what the heck is that? Its INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.

Attack on Indian embassy, consulate in anglosphere by khalistanis...no one arrested till date , k referendum in anglosphere....so much for rules based order.

Samir bhai u just nailed it..

Samir is brutally honest - the western behavior towards India - and it must change if they are to be relevant in the world. BBCs and New York Times and Economists type journalism will hurt these westerners more. India has many options they can excercise.

He blasted his way in and out of conversations. Proud of you. Jai Hind.

Samir Saran was eloquent, on point and clear about India’s perspective.

2002 still vital in 2024. West has lost the plot.

Samir sirs note on India's scale of defence equipment product is quite true.

For India's safety and prosperity, it really needs to keep a healthy distance from the confusion that is modern America. Collaborate where interests match only; be very selective. Most importantly, ensure American leftism is kept far away from Indian institutions. That is a mind virus that destroys nations from the inside out.

USA wants a military base in Bangladesh to counter India geo economic political interests. USA may create a new Christian country in between Bangladesh and Burma like east Timor to setup military base.

Indian critics in the US should clearly understand that India was invaded by Islam and converted people to Islam. After that when the Islamic population increased, in 1947, India was divided into 3 pieces and 2 Islamic nations were created because Muslims, according to the Quran, should not live with non-Muslims, a rule that did not apply to Islam when they invaded India and lived in India. Anyways, under these circumstances, there is no justification for so-called "Islamophobia" in India. The US should be consistent and dependable in every incident and 24*7*365. The US is unpredictable even for Israel and Europe. Indian students are being killed frequently in the US and Khalistan terrorists have been receiving open support to publicly appeal for dividing India. The US has been accused of the so-called "Islamophobia" from within and without the nation but the US wants to criticize India, for 'Islamophobia".

Giving back - Samirs does it very well

Great pushback of Western criticism on Indian human rights by Sameer. Kudos

1. Even though the Quad is not declared as a military alliance a number of steps have been taken to have a seamless transition, if and when that is required. 2. India has brought many frontline military assets like the P8i, MQ-9 Drones, Sea Hawks, Apaches, Chinooks and many more. Firstly Indian pilots are getting trained on these platforms which can enable induction of more number quickly in times of conflict. 3. Development of MRO facilities in India will help US access these facilities in times of conflict. Many shipyards are already tied up for warship repair. All this means that India is well on its way to become a forward base for USA in India. 4. The P8is of India, Us and Australia are already working in tandem to cover the entire Indian Ocean to track Chinese submarines and ships. 5. The foundational agreements signed in the closing days of the Trump presidency (God bless Secretary of State Pompeo for his commitment)

Invite these people to India and question their democracy as well.

Mark 1:03:30 or thereabouts; was the most interesting part of this session for me, where Samir Saran equates the US with China. That tight slap aside; if the Indian government has come about to this view, then the US has lost India. Already, I see many geopolitical strategists accuse the US of financing terror against India after the Pannun episode. If US policymakers don't exert to retrieve this relationship (and India will like place all the onus on the US to do so); the US should expect to enter the emerging global order with atleast two major economies, if not more, decisively hostile to it! Aggravating India, as a measure of retribution for its refusal to toe its line on Ukraine, is just one more in a series of disastrous moves made by the US State Dept in its practice of diplomacy, post the Ukraine conflict!!

Samir's response to Avinash, "I expect you to know everything, that is your job," was brutally savage. His rebuttal to Lisa on India defending Bhutan's borders at Doklam was a perfect shut-down. And his takedown of the allegations about democracy declining in India and assassination attempts in US, by exposing the hypocrisy of the U.S., was an absolute masterstroke.

As always Samir never disappoints. Thank you for not being apologetic.

We need to train army of young professionals to counter the wrong narratives about India. You can see it in. Narratives of a lady who is following India for over 30 years and still peddling untruths about India.

Brilliant session . Tell Sameer - he is too good

30 years on Asia studies , seems wasted time spent by the fine lady with specs.. Lisa. As an Indian , living in India I believe US policy needs a counterbalance to what it does for its hegemony insde and outside of US , which is a narrative it created for it self in the form of "Human Rights" with little or no knowledge of what culture is , or what demographic diversity India is. I think , India Russia relations have a bright future ahead with or with out QUAD or any form of Strategy US thinks its building with India. One thing the Indian voter despise is hypocrisy. In India relationships are defined by wholeness and complete loyalty for the better or for the worse unlike compartmentalised as seen in western hemisphere. This relationship with US shall sustain only so far as when the US demands India of something that's against Indianness and its values as it perceive and not whats written in the US foreign policy. India is going no where. Its here to stay, with out without US.

1:02:46 : Well said… @Samir… was waiting for this punch to the snobbish Westerners !!!

Samir saran statement of not wanting such friendship with US for such issues was commendable

I am at 22 mins and all these people have done is talk about themselves and give each other pats on the back.

Chinese never discuss foreign policy openly, and that's why no Country can predict their move. Democracies talk a lot. But I am enjoying it👍

ORF has uploaded 1st video in 2014. Until last month I was thinking why the hell are we even having discussions & podcasts sitting 2.6k usd per capita instead shut up & hard work, maybe do this when we're at 10 trillion gdp. But now I've realized the foreign influence in elections & society & weaponise faultlines in society instead of helping us. Now should also conduct these surveys for other democracies, not weaponise it but to show ourselves western democracies nowhere near perfect. What a man Samir Saran ji is! Such a frank way of giving it back! Amazing!

1:12:40 she says she is the board of "Radio europe, radio europe": which is congess funded yet its private. How do those two things go together? Either you are a private company or public funded.

1:05:31-WELL SAID 👏👏

Saran’s hectoring 1:00-1:20 - pure gold!😂😅👍

Modi is a man from the streets. He understands poverty. He understands how to reach people and is willing to do so. American attitudes have to change and hopefully they will. Look at the American View, when Mr. Saran said India is eye to eye with China and in deploying its troops it is keeping China in check elsewhere. She thinks it is doing it in Indian interests. What do you think America is doing? It is not interested in Global Democracy for its own sake. It hopes that it will be able to enter and make money!! Gain control via manipulation of local governments and policies. America wants Democracy around the world so it can be King and manipulate all these governments with its money and clout. That is why it fears Indian growth and attitudes. This conversation is evidence of that fact. A simple answer to the question where does UK fit in? Nowhere.... UK is on the decline and has punched above its weight for far too long. It should be relegated to the dustbin of history where it belonged and should belong forever. What has America done with its Native Americans? Thrown them in reservations? Given them Autonomy over some namesake land? Get outta here... For a south asia exert she is so ill informed about history of riots in India.... LOL! She just parrots whatever she is reading the things that Sameer pointed out as lies... The WEST funds and bribes Human Rights organizations to keep quiet about happenings on their own territories... they push it under the rug....

Kudos to Samir Saran@ ORF!! This was brilliant!!

This is the kind of posture what young generation like me want to see and exercise.

Well samir sir I m deeply interested in Geo politics.... But its just I m from small town and there is no way for me to get admission anywhere that can help me to get into this field.... I love this topic very much from Azerbaijan Armenia, conflict to Kosovo serbia, Ukraine to gaza,myanmar to haiti ... All.... I hope one day could meet you and be like you

This is something I have never seen,even I felt tense that he was talking like that about USA.

Samir Saran, the only word I can think after listening this discussion is "brilliant". Take a bow. 🙌🏽

I’m watching this on my mobile and I am loving the body language and facial gestures of Leslie (by zooming on her) she might not be used to this type of conference setup. This meeting wasn’t a kind of any TV show where the camera is on the speaker and not others. Next time for sure Leslie and others would be more cautious 😂. Sameer you are superb in your articulation and delivery, loved it.

The guy in the middle must be in a hurry for the boys room he speeds so fast.😂

WOW.... Samir Saran on fire... super discussion... kudos ORF

Samir really woke up and chose violence today.

Samir, you nailed it.

I think i will play devils advocate. Its important to ask basic questions to reaffirm if something serves our purposes. Do we need a partnership with the USA? US wants a master slave relation. Do we need this? On topics of mutual interest and benefit, we can collaborate. Maybe we should junk the Quad? We dont really get access to US bases. Do we need cismoa, beca, lsa etc anymore? We have issues with china. We will confront china on those. US is not really stepping in to help us. Why rub china wrong on matters of importance only to the US. That doesnt benefit us. On pakistan, frankly the US is an enabler of that state. So net negative for india.

What an assertion… amazing….

At 31:40 look at how the facial expression of the lady changed for a long time. She didn't know what hit her. 🤣😂🤣

Excellent Samir Saran

We have not forgotten 1971 and European and Western Countries attitude towards us. Even now how, you behave. I don't trust these countries. 😏😏😏

Fantastic responses from Samir, good to put these Americans in their place .

Great job by Samir.

Superbly articulated arguments. Great job Saran sir!

Love from Bharat...... Samir saran ji's talk was spot on😎

The govt should give more fund and encourage such nationalist foundations and let the diplomatic missions to find ways to create such new foundations overseas in every countries to enhance soft power

Can't belive, so called custodians of free speech and freedom of expression has turned comments section off completely 😂 so much for freedom of speech. On chathem house channel.

Well done Samir, keep exposing

Excellent very interesting talk by Samir saranji. Thank you 👍

Why is the video quality so bad ?

Samir saran needs to be given more time. He is the best opening bats man for India in Strat circles. But is that enought?? Need forceful narrative building across the world.

Samir sir is a chad ❤❤

Got a shock .. Mr/Mrs/Miss/ LGBTQ ++++ 😊😊❤ !! CHATHAM HOUSE.. ??

Woooh!! Next level! 👏👏

Great Rebuttal Saran Saheb

42:38 The cynical American attitude is revealed here explicitly- She couldn't bear the himalayan border remark bcoz India isn't on the maritime frontline. # In the end, it will be just tech transger, squeezing US like the EU, infact more than the EU in terms of lvls & laterals of engagement. - US concern of loneliness not being able to assimilate either in the EU or elsewhere is openly welcomed emotion. - It is this emotion perhaps, that will limit the engagement time & again. - But after a certain threshold, unlike other countries which despite being developed are limited by many restraints (size and limited peak in GDP terms like Japan & korea) to deliver more neck to neck with the US, with growing complexities, India will that Partner, US needs to safeguard its emotions- dollars or judo- Christian!

31:45 quote is for what USA is very famous and this actually makes any country to maintaining relationship with USA could be very highly doubtful and worrying.

Loved every minute of it

Enjoyed the discussion! Best wishes 🙏

Samir is such a breath of fresh air with his original thinking and vigorous advocacy! Bravo Samir! You really demolished the sanctimony that was thrown at you!

Fantastic discussion. Samir Saran rocks. He has single-handedly handled the hostile questions and shown the mirror. The simple statement of his not finding it important to include the UK in his itinerary for two years did explain a lot. I hope the Spokespersons of various think tanks will not try to mess with the most vibrant democracy by Weaponising facts, basing opinions on noise and so on.🎉 to Samir Saran.

Samir was excellent. Loved it.

47:05 facts by Samir Saran ji!

I would like to ask whether any of the interlocutors have even reviewed the details of 2002 below the headline news.

Wow Samir..he expressed the minds of true indians

During this election season all had been discussing, who after NaMo? Well, I had an additional and equally big concern, who after Shri S Jaishankar? Well, I guess today I witnessed my second concern getting addressed. Even if it might not be Samir, I'm pretty confident that there are people like Samir in the ranks to take Bharat's flag forward from where Shri S Jaishankar leves it, as and when he leaves. Bharat is in good hands. 👍

The rant from 1:01:10 😂

Beautiful reply

It is very rational discussion

Nice to see an amazing Indian point of view presentation

Lisa Curtis's face after Samir Saran's classical rebuttal lol

Kudos to Sameer ji to return the right reflection to the so called policemans of Democracy.

Very well done Samir

Gazaaaab dhoyyaaa he #anglo propagandist walo ko.

Super rebuttal by Samer Saran on deterioration of conditions of minorities.. He aptly pointes to the incidents happening in UK and US that are far more threateninh to the democracy.

Here's hoping India produces more Think Tankers with the calibre of Samir Saran.

To be an enemy of American is dangerous and to be friend of American is fatal Jai Maa Bharti

Very nice slam to us autocratic stats❤❤❤❤ why I say us autocracy? Because in us constitution there's no mention of democracy, USA Two parties autocracy

The Indian representative has been candid and frank.

sushant sareen is the junior version of dr Jaishankar.....excellent discussion

Listening to Sameer, for the first time I am hopeful of a great India-US partnership future.

Kudos Samir! Bang on Target. Americans had it coming 😊

Very interesting insights

Sameer Saran Sir always Rock ❤

Partnership doesn't mean one being a boss and the other being a sidekick. Partnership is on equal terms.

From 1:00:00 he just ripped everyone in the room apart

Bravo 👏

Samir saran hit out of the park

I bet every word from Samir was watched closely by every sensible leader in the world

❤ lucky their comments are always switched off, this would be interesting reading 😂😂😂😂😂

I watched this video on Chatam house, but comment section on that channel is off. Tells a lot about American and western democracy. What a perfect slam by Samir. Lisa you must know, Indians are still holding back and not responding in kind. You named a political party of India which was not diplomatic at all. But remember this, you are opening the doors for Indians to say the same about your political situation. Yes, you have lot of media under your control to amplify your comments, but social media has already trumped mainstream media (that you control). Yes, the social media platforms are still from USA(but Indians have the greatest presence), but it can change if they are abused to push a narrative to 1.4 B people of India. If you weaponize the faults in Indian society (which Indians are working to correct), you would get push back and it won't be as sugar coated like it was by Samir. So as Samir said, "deal with it".

It was a nice conversation