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Indigenous youth deaths in Thunder Bay - Stories From the River's Edge (2011) - the fifth estate 

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For aboriginal kids from reserves in northern Ontario, a high school diploma is a ticket to a better future. But a shocking number of these students have ended up dead before graduation.
the fifth estate's Gillian Findlay presents an extremely up-close and personal look inside the native secondary education program in Thunder Bay, Ont., where seven students have tragically died in the past ten years. Five of the victims died apparent alcohol related deaths -- their bodies were pulled from local rivers amid swirling suspicions and rumours about what pushed them over the edge. Another two teens suffered troubling and unexpected deaths that have left lingering questions.
Filmed by a local crew with close connections to the community, with unprecedented access, the fifth estate takes viewers inside the school halls, the homes where the kids are billeted, the mall where they hang out, and onto the dark streets where their dedicated teachers and mentors run nightly patrols in a desperate bid to try and get them all home safe.
Original broadcast date : November 2, 2011
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@flyinspirals
@flyinspirals 7 лет назад
Canadians are so lucky to have an investigative show with guts to address difficult or painful issues. Don't let it end.
@flyinspirals
@flyinspirals 7 лет назад
Why do village kids have to go to a city to study? Why can't the schools be located in central First Nations places more familiar & closer to home? Is this painful & risky system really the best possible? Can anyone give me an educated answer? Kids don't pretend to be in this kind of pain -- it's heartbreaking even to see it. Time to make a better way.
@lesterclaypool1
@lesterclaypool1 6 лет назад
+flyinspirals We did that already. The residential schools, and the nightmare they created continues by way of these kids drinking themselves to death due to the fractured families they come from.
@ARw275
@ARw275 3 месяца назад
@@flyinspiralsthe government prefers people to be in bigger cities because when you’re in a city you’re easier to control.
@willshedo
@willshedo 7 лет назад
wow,amazing work that the teachers and school staff do. i wish all teachers would have one percent of that interest and care about their students.
@bereanathlete723
@bereanathlete723 6 лет назад
Intergenerational Trauma is definitely a factor that is playing in all of this. The colonization of First Nations People into Residential Schools, and other injustices that were perpetuated upon them by the Government, have done a lot of damage to many First Nations People. We must make known, and forgive. Not make known, and sit in the pity pot. Healing comes only when we forgive.
@deenabeauchamp5290
@deenabeauchamp5290 19 дней назад
I agree….. I think many younger generation are opening their eyes. Feeling healing and repairing themselves to move forward speak out loud and make changes
@alexisgordon2759
@alexisgordon2759 5 лет назад
The Gov. Abused and tore families apart and are still not honoring treaties from centuries ago. No wonder the natives are so bitter and some are broken.... makes me sick!
@skyehedrick9099
@skyehedrick9099 5 лет назад
Great documentary!!! The youth are great. I moved to Thunder Bay with my family many years ago after graduating college in the States. Being Native myself and being an overcomer over a lot of demons in my past my, heart hurt for these beautiful people. But there are some leaders who are the puppet masters. Sad, but if your native but not from the same nation or treaty you are not respected, trashed by the puppet masters and not allowed in the circle. Politicians have no skin colour... All are abusive, narcissistic Boy they can sell themselves I wish cbc would investigate the way native leadership works and operates, usually run by the same families on and off reserve.
@elainemoreland3908
@elainemoreland3908 2 года назад
Sorry ya'll have the same problems. The ones who want to have the power to control others will always be around. This is so sad.
@tamarahbernixe
@tamarahbernixe Год назад
Thank you so much! We are watching this in the Onajigawin Indigenous Program with Confeceration College! I decided to do my assignment on this one! Miigwech.
@chiloveradiouncut
@chiloveradiouncut 6 лет назад
The police clearly don’t care! The one guy was smiling at the beginning. Just horrible!!!!!
@adamdanko596
@adamdanko596 5 лет назад
You obviously don't live in Thunder Bay , it's getting pretty sickening all of them saying the the T Bay Police are Racist , when it's the other way around . I've been attacked for no reason , and you can imagine what one night looks like for a police officer here .
@1893RealG
@1893RealG 6 лет назад
God bless the grandmother , very hard to watch. I cried so much...
@CrustyUgg
@CrustyUgg 3 года назад
I saw another documentary and they were saying how a lot of times it’s indigenous men who seek out the women when they’re young and show them “love” and attention and end up turning them out. I thought that was interesting bc you never hear about anything other than “bad things are happening bc of non-indigenous ppl” and yes that is partly true but quite often, it’s the men within their own community who take advantage of them starting at a very young age
@harleygirl4life6
@harleygirl4life6 4 года назад
This makes me sick. Police in Thunderbay don’t even TRY to hide their prejudice The entire police dept needs to be overhauled. Clean it out. Shouldn’t the police dept reflect the community? So why are there not more First Nation people actually in the police force?? Maybe that would be a first step & maybe knowing this prejudice is happening. Maybe when crimes happen against First Nation people maybe a special group should be started just to check to make sure those are handled properly!!
@fabiangenaille979
@fabiangenaille979 2 года назад
January 2019, the Thunder Bay Police department was being investigated. That was a 3 year investigation to show improvement and if they would change by 3 years. It is now 3 years after. January 22 2022. Find out if the Police department has been defunded. Search RU-vid. You'll find the news video that was involved. Good luck in reconciliation.
@chiloveradiouncut
@chiloveradiouncut 6 лет назад
Listening to her talk to her little brother is heart breaking 🙏🏽
@compassioncampaigner728
@compassioncampaigner728 3 года назад
The cop panel that effectively yawned in front of Jordan’s grandmother. Cold, indifferent, even Olympian disdain. AND....the cop panel knew they were being filmed! That’s a callousness that comes from as a d n a level belief that 1st nation people are irrelevant. And the school system itself .............is to me almost equally cold. They emphasize the rules and rigid expectations with a quiet ferocity that even made me uncomfortable just watching it. Heartless bureaucrats that could be way way more supportive. Scheeeeeeesh I am coming to Thunder Bay from the film makers appearance on Useful Idiots.
@sylviaalexander6835
@sylviaalexander6835 5 лет назад
The adults are certainly spinning their wheels and the students do not appear to care. Their families, their home environments seem to have a negative influence on their lives. Their level of communication tells me their parents are not contributing much to their children's success.
@Stichting_NoFap
@Stichting_NoFap 4 года назад
Sylvia Alexander Denial victim blaming Denial victim blamingDenial victim blaming... Is it so hard to admit that the perpertrators were non-indigenous?
@abiddine
@abiddine 4 года назад
@@Stichting_NoFap Non-indigenous people don't seem to be the source of problems from what I have seen here.
@adanacman666
@adanacman666 6 лет назад
I tell you, I have lived here all my life,my best friend was native,we have lived with natives all our lives,WE DO NOT NEED, W5 OR THE MEDIA ,TO TELL US WHATS WHAT,I am sick and tired of the way this city is being portrayed by the media,alot of people feel the same,I no longer believe ANYTHING coming from the media.......
@alissaramirez3083
@alissaramirez3083 2 года назад
My heart breaks for our people 😔💔
@deen77
@deen77 7 лет назад
Thank you for uploading the whole story!
@cbcfifth
@cbcfifth 7 лет назад
Sorry about that, for some reason on our first upload, the end got cut off.
@jordanfontaine5401
@jordanfontaine5401 5 лет назад
lots of love for these people
@The16BitLolita
@The16BitLolita 7 лет назад
Teachers are really caring for these students... Thats fantastic! I didnt know you could have drinks on class! Here is REALLY forbidden.
@diosalanegra1958
@diosalanegra1958 6 лет назад
This breaks my heart... I can’t stop bawling my eyes out. I’m proud of each and every one of the kids in this video.
@valhalla9688
@valhalla9688 6 лет назад
Diosa La negra stop crying. This is a happy story
@diosalanegra1958
@diosalanegra1958 6 лет назад
Jeffrey Lundberg my best friend from childhood is Cree from Moosonee. I grew up in Toronto running the streets and in and out of her complex that is run by Native Child and Family. The emotions are complex, being a person of colour this story brings up many feelings.
@saffiyya
@saffiyya Год назад
Beautiful words
@diosalanegra1958
@diosalanegra1958 Год назад
My friend has since died. RIP Sandra Matthews our Sassy 🥹❤️
@heavenboundtoourlord
@heavenboundtoourlord 5 лет назад
Who is most accountable when the parent or adult fails to earn the trust of the child? Is the adult more responsible, or the child? Apparently, in a few minutes the Fifth Estate team is able to earn the trust of these children to speak their hearts while parents and popular culture are still failing after years.
@bamby5211
@bamby5211 6 лет назад
Wow the kid's need to put down their phones already!!!! I'm surprised that the school does not restrict cell phone use during their time in the classroom where they should be focusing on the teacher and learning. Saw two kids already on their phones in less then 7 minutes into the video.
@lesterclaypool1
@lesterclaypool1 6 лет назад
This particular teaching program relies heavily on devices. Lacking money for a tablet the school will put data time on a student's phone.
@karlrichardson8214
@karlrichardson8214 5 лет назад
Not only that but have a heart man there 100+ miles away from there family
@hilarykirkby4771
@hilarykirkby4771 6 лет назад
What a sad situation for such a soft spoken and quiet people. The last time I looked Canada was not a Third World country, so why are so many of its folk treated in such an inhumane way? I appreciate that there's a possible bonus getting these children away from a society where drugs and drink play such an important role in daily life. But they are taken out of an environment they understand and put into another they find hard to adjust to. The answer must be to make schooling better nearer home and to do something to improve quality of life in their own communities. This probably means meaningful employment and better services, but it would pay dividends I'm sure. As the school head said: It wouldn't be tolerated in Hamilton, but then most of the pupils there are not First Nation.
@staceylempiala3451
@staceylempiala3451 5 лет назад
You answered your question. Drugs and drink. No matter how much money, time, and effort has been spent on trying to do something with northern reserves *nothing* is ever accomplished except more of the same. People have to want to change. When that happens, they will.
@mamaluca1958
@mamaluca1958 2 года назад
The poor Gramma not getting answers how Jordon paased away. Put tears in my eyes. So many young children drown drinking. I hope the teachers can help the kids.🇨🇦💓🙏🇨🇦
@user-cz9rq3xf5y
@user-cz9rq3xf5y 5 лет назад
This is crazy! Thunder Bay has a lot of racism issues, I visit there often and I am from Red Lake, I remember I was walking home from the bar at night, during my walk back to my hotel Super 8 the police ended up arresting me for public intoxication but I wasn't even intoxicated to the level of being arrested but I so I just brushed it off and went with it because I did not feel like arguing with cops who I assume they were new or rookies based on how they were to me aggressively, they drove me near the FWFN somewhere in the highway and left me there to walk home in a minus cold winter night with a wind chill. That was many moons ago and I still remember it clearly. I never made a complaint or lawsuits, or anything because the police involved told me that they have done this alot and It will go no where without strong evidence, plus they said that no one would believe a Savage like me, etc.. and I believed them. One of these days I will make a complaint or lawsuit but I have a strong feeling that it will go no where because no one believes a savage.
@onetwo19
@onetwo19 6 лет назад
Have there been any success stories? Anyone who has stopped drinking and taking Oxi? We have a long history - centuries and amazing culture but all I hear from my brothers and sisters is talk about smoking, drinking and drugging.
@darkthought7860
@darkthought7860 6 месяцев назад
Yeah aye? wheres the good stories? always about being a victim. How can we be proud as a people always promoting our youth this victimized mindset? ffs
@curtisamos1615
@curtisamos1615 2 года назад
I'm from Thunder Bay....native kids have it fairly tough..drugs..alcoholic..etc
@squadisoutdailyvlogs1023
@squadisoutdailyvlogs1023 6 лет назад
Oh my lord to painfull
@Halloween771
@Halloween771 7 лет назад
Idk how big that town is, but maybe ban the sale of alcohol all together? that's a very common practice in smaller college towns in the U.S. Also, why don't they have extra curricular activities for the kids so school isn't prison but a somewhat enjoyable experience?? I feel like these kids slip through the cracks of this terribly planned system and it is upsetting.
@tylermccollum309
@tylermccollum309 7 лет назад
Adam Sothen Thunder Bay has a pop of over 100,000 but good idea
@DoinThupidThings
@DoinThupidThings 6 лет назад
How about Thunder Bay bans idiots, Tyler? Guess who's getting shipped out
@subutiamorris-ie4bm
@subutiamorris-ie4bm Год назад
And most northern kids undisciplined. I worked at youth centre it was a chore to get them do chores as well. Sad though. I guess that’s the damage done by residential schools.
@chatman48
@chatman48 6 лет назад
These kids have too much freedom at the school.
@ganggang7271
@ganggang7271 4 года назад
Rip Jordan Wabasse. 💓
@michelleturner6865
@michelleturner6865 2 года назад
The reservation system and the Indian Act has failed these people terribly. Why can’t we figure out a better way? The culture is broken and so far nothing has worked to fix it. I’m not a total outsider. I grew up near a northern Ontario reservation. Most of my friends were natives. I also lived on a reservation with a spouse for three years. It seems worse now than in the 70s when I was a kid. I don’t have the answers but I know nothing has worked so far.
@catmagic2226
@catmagic2226 6 лет назад
These are SHAMANIC PEOPLE sacred to Earth. ♡♡♡♡♡♡♡
@PantheraLeoKing
@PantheraLeoKing 3 года назад
It's hilarious how racist this post is lmao
@carolward4392
@carolward4392 7 лет назад
Who does the subtitles for these doco's? There are some hilariously bad translations....funny for a fluent english speaker, but i would imagine it would be totally confusing for anyone else...
@roleat
@roleat 7 лет назад
they're automated, and really inaccurate.
@mellowtron214
@mellowtron214 3 года назад
Not to be heartless but uh.., this whole thing is about high schoolers getting drunk/high and *falling in a river?* Or _POSSIBLY_ committing suicide in the river? That seems like a pretty strange and niche problem to have.
@simonmarshall19
@simonmarshall19 Год назад
How far is Rockybay ? That’s where my late friend was from .
@chiloveradiouncut
@chiloveradiouncut 6 лет назад
Oh I see they have boarding parents...❤️
@brendacornell7586
@brendacornell7586 5 лет назад
Prayers
@jasminewinterr3906
@jasminewinterr3906 7 лет назад
MY FRIEND TAMMY SHE DIED TOO!FROM THE BRIDGE😭😭😭
@elainemfarrell4476
@elainemfarrell4476 5 лет назад
Jásmine Wińterr so sorry to hear that. RIP Tammy.
@avinashchandramisra3334
@avinashchandramisra3334 Год назад
As of March 2022, sudden deaths of indigenous people continue to haunt the community. What is going on ?
@crystalcooks7976
@crystalcooks7976 6 лет назад
I feel for all these kids, I know what it is like to fight the need to smoke and drink is like and I am 40 and I struggle daily, I can’t imagine the struggle for them. My heart is breaking as I watch this :(
@AandP4dummieslikeme
@AandP4dummieslikeme 4 года назад
I am starting to wonder if there is a genetic component to the pervasive depression in this community.
@KillerCammy85
@KillerCammy85 2 года назад
Yes, its called epigenetics and intergenerational trauma. Trauma is hard wired into our DNA and we pass it on. Theyve proved even during pregnancy what the mother endures is imprinted on the fetus.
@merricat3025
@merricat3025 5 месяцев назад
​@KillerCammy85 so how do you change it?
@wolfgangjohn3675
@wolfgangjohn3675 2 года назад
Police in Thunderbird Bay shame on you!
@chiloveradiouncut
@chiloveradiouncut 6 лет назад
Who do the children stay with when the go to school? Do they have guardians?
@jacquelynfrench9473
@jacquelynfrench9473 3 года назад
They’re placed in the foster system.
@daweeka
@daweeka 7 лет назад
The greatest issue that cops and natives fear, is natives do NOT welcome cops on the reserve, a lot are armed and the cops cant do anything as it's crown land. This has turned the cops off, and as you see with all of these inestigations, NO ONE co operates, or pushes, they ask then wait...... Some natives weren't paying their hydro or cable dues, and when the company went to cut them off, they were shot at. there needs to have a new set of treaties, modern ones that apply to current 2016 these treaties were signed prior to natives having the capacity to read, despite it was their land, theyve had to assimilte to US instead of us to thejm. also these were signed at pow wows where the crown reps ensured they were all drunk, somehting they didn't know, fire water, the crown knew they were drunk . anyways, the only way to reconciliation, is the old treaties getting ripped up, and new ones drafted, with lawyers on gov't sides , native sides AND a mediatin. Than everyone will get satisfaction. Everyone, I'm not comfy wit h what my ancestors did. However we've paid millions in compensation already, I stood with the native at OKA wehn the city tried expanding the golf course over a native resting spot for the dead. We won that fight, thankfully. anyways, finally trudeau is looking into the deaths of the missing and murdreeed
@kimachneepineskum8046
@kimachneepineskum8046 4 года назад
I'm frist nation's and I have to go to this high school I'm scared to go cuz my dad murdered someone in that jail and I got beat up
@WallyTony
@WallyTony 5 лет назад
That was a crazy ghetto weed smoking contraption they were using.
@adamdanko596
@adamdanko596 5 лет назад
In T Bay , we called it a Lung . I hated them though , way too harsh .
@bkbkbk420
@bkbkbk420 Год назад
Yup its a lung
@skmerwitz4758
@skmerwitz4758 4 года назад
This makes me so sad. They have no hope. My great grandma and grandma were not raised on reservations they had better. Married white men
@bettybloch3025
@bettybloch3025 6 лет назад
Probably something for Palin, or the other one; aggression from the enemny, we assume. - The alien, again. Maybe dismiss teachers, a new one, or the rector, or the police - whoever invaded the community and got a job, and came from abroad. Alike in the movies : Hitchcock's Birds, and etc.
@paranoidewok6772
@paranoidewok6772 2 года назад
I used to legit believe my brother had the makings of a serial killer. Sounds outlandish I know, but between a messed up relationship with his mother to his love of killing animals when he was younger to his obsession with fires, it's not as far out as it seems. His comments to me 2 years ago how more young aboriginals from the reserve are dying and how people won't miss them. We're both registered with Fort William reserve so it's not like it's racism.
@tictacbee2317
@tictacbee2317 4 года назад
Who byes them alcohol?
@michaelfiddler7341
@michaelfiddler7341 4 месяца назад
If cops were more transparent about the deaths and let the public know about the on going situation. I myself wasn't aware and just assumed the students went missing and ended up going home. I attended dfc during 3 of those deaths.By past experiences with the police of tbay I wouldn't be looking at them for help.Instead I would be investigating them.1 person I would ask to look into this would be Noreen Renier. She had past success with 2 student murders in Tbay waay back there's a lil documentary about it
@jayden2592
@jayden2592 6 лет назад
The reserve we have here don’t like other reserves done deal
@KillerCammy85
@KillerCammy85 2 года назад
Theres some wonderful comments on here but also some really insensitive ones. Please learn about the impact of trauma due to residential schools and how that is passed through genetics and through intergenerational trauma.
@merricat3025
@merricat3025 5 месяцев назад
So what's the answer?
@SuperSameu
@SuperSameu 5 лет назад
first they shud not allowed phone in classroom
@juggaloposse2750
@juggaloposse2750 4 года назад
WestSide OutLaws 23.19
@susannecromwell3461
@susannecromwell3461 4 года назад
I just can't watch this..its so wrong
@robingagan6288
@robingagan6288 4 года назад
Sandy lake.....sassakamoose?
@lindanwfirefighter4973
@lindanwfirefighter4973 7 лет назад
Seriously most went and got drunk and drowned! Who's fault is it?
@lindanwfirefighter4973
@lindanwfirefighter4973 7 лет назад
Nothing will change if the natives don't accept responsibility for their actions! They keep getting drunk and sitting at waters end and fall in and drown.
@lindanwfirefighter4973
@lindanwfirefighter4973 7 лет назад
Lindsey Matthews oh please you all keep yourselves down with that mentality! Get off your high horse and do something to change your circumstance! There is a chief out in BC who said the exact same thing to his people! Stop whine and DO SOMETHING, stop blaming others for your own troubles! He changed his reserve with that mentality! Stop blaming others.
@billdow7008
@billdow7008 5 лет назад
It’s that simple is it Richard, you should be a politician. Have you any empathy for what First Nations peoples have had to endure. They are tougher than you’ll ever be.
@tiennadeschenes3324
@tiennadeschenes3324 2 года назад
You seriously lack compassion and empathy. Like I agree we need to take control and better our lives but you said it in the most rude way. And I bet you’re the type to say “oh get over it” regarding residential schools, you people don’t get how traumatic it was and how it affects generations. You don’t know what it’s like to live in isolation with no clean water, no schools nothing. So instead of shaming people maybe try and be understanding of what they’re going through and WHY they battle addictions.
@MotherofVenus
@MotherofVenus Год назад
If you’re not a part of the solution, you’re a part of the problem
@diaznuts5947
@diaznuts5947 3 года назад
Canada is sure a nice place eh
@mtbluzman
@mtbluzman 6 лет назад
Drink it up!
@MashitupAlwaysMrsJanelleShea
@MashitupAlwaysMrsJanelleShea 5 лет назад
😢
@danferguson71
@danferguson71 2 года назад
get all the kids off reserves!
@saffiyya
@saffiyya Год назад
😢😢😢😢😢
@youonlydieonce7278
@youonlydieonce7278 3 года назад
They have a HS in Deer Lake. An internet high school, media like to twist stuff around.
@edendanielle389
@edendanielle389 2 года назад
Lol 4-5 years ago they probably didn’t. As this was posted 4-5 years ago
@mohammedalrefaie3997
@mohammedalrefaie3997 4 года назад
Hello 2020
@benmussolini2284
@benmussolini2284 4 года назад
For some reason I really dont think anyone that lives in Thunder bay cares if they all go to school on the reserves. LOL
@bookreaderson
@bookreaderson 5 месяцев назад
That chello music 🎶
@cassiezomok344
@cassiezomok344 7 лет назад
Thunder Bay is not a safe city.
@DoinThupidThings
@DoinThupidThings 6 лет назад
If you don't get drunk and high and hang around rivers all night, it's the safest city in the world
@pcs4580
@pcs4580 4 года назад
2025 J.O.I.N U.S OR BE SHOT ON SIGHT
@6958921
@6958921 2 года назад
they look mexican
@malervik4176
@malervik4176 7 месяцев назад
1.leaving home at 16 years old? what parent's kids have not? 2.supervision yes, but do these young adults listen? 3.blaming these deaths on alcohol is a cop out, the root is the problem. 4.the Cdn.government should stop saying sorry and giving money out for their deaths or lives. 5.work and earn your way through life and be responsible. 6.7 kids in 10 years? check stats out about other deaths in schools around the city.
@68secretgarden
@68secretgarden 6 лет назад
Why are these kids treated as if they were special needs? What's wrong with them?
@tritongeeves9371
@tritongeeves9371 5 лет назад
Stefanie Eva well because there are a lot of problems in their communities such as drugs, gangs, etc. that they are vulnerable to and the teachers just want to make sure they don’t fall victim to these
@tiennadeschenes3324
@tiennadeschenes3324 2 года назад
Nothing is wrong with them…go live on a reserve and find out what it’s like and how it can impact someone. Being away from family, dealing with depression and anxiety and other issues is hard. But you probably don’t know that bc you’re prob a privileged white girl that has never experienced anything like they have.
@fortnitegaming2179
@fortnitegaming2179 5 лет назад
Who needs to go to school school sucks
@glendawesley3071
@glendawesley3071 7 лет назад
propably cops
@DoinThupidThings
@DoinThupidThings 6 лет назад
Probably you
@shleeg254
@shleeg254 5 лет назад
I think the same
@DuaneChipman
@DuaneChipman 7 лет назад
jesus...rough for everyone. they could show hundreds of "first nation" people and maybe a handful aren't awful looking lmfao
@DuaneChipman
@DuaneChipman 7 лет назад
in terms of skin and teeth etc, sure...but their features is what i meant. they look like puffins (that's a coastal bird) they're not an attractive people.
@pafkobar5308
@pafkobar5308 5 лет назад
@@DuaneChipman for me neither but we have different standards, for Japanese people we were also ugly.
@tiennadeschenes3324
@tiennadeschenes3324 2 года назад
@@DuaneChipman you’re one to talk look in the mirror your personality &face is awful…. After watching this video that’s what you have to say? You’re only comment is a judgment on natives appearance? you do see what’s wrong with that right
@pashhunter5965
@pashhunter5965 5 лет назад
They should stop dressing like thugs and gangster, they should be proud of who they are and take pride in their appearance
@ashleystewart34ify
@ashleystewart34ify 3 года назад
Hard to have pride when it was beat out of them by the settlers. The deep rooted trauma and shame has followed down the family line.
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