Indycar legend calls F1's competition a "joke" 😳 

Agreed! It does make for boring entertainment though.

F1 is an engineering competition, spec series are driver competitions. Simple as that.

F1 is no longer even an engineering competition because they restrict what engine you can even pick. And they block innovation and aero whenever one team makes a breakthrough. (Active Suspension, DAS)

When Hamilton was for 7 years solo at front nobody complained... tsssss😂😂

Agreed but 3rd place and below is close racing. F1 doesn't suffer from wanky oval racing, speaking of boredom.

It was tongue in cheek. You don't get it though.

@@MrPregnant3D They are talking about engines, not aero. What's the point exactly? Only Red Bull have complained about the engines coming in 2026, and curiously only after Honda ditched them. Funny that.

@@ab8jeh Lewis also complained about Max dominance, its crying lf crymilton. Hes nothing, below averange in a mediocre car. Look at him now 😭😭😭

@@fixxa6455 Some of us have longer memories and attention spans.

@@fixxa6455bro thinks anyone can win in a slow car keep hallucinating crystapen fan 😭😭😂😂

apparently thats what his dad needed 9 months before he came along

It's a stage name like Scott Speed

Are you 5 years old?

@@nickypoundtown9568It‘s not though. Will's full name is William Steven Power and Scott's full name is Scott Andrew Speed. They are not stage names, those are actually their real names.

litteraly didnt even click till i read this 🤣🤣

The cycle makes the good championship look like an amazing championship

In indicar you often have to many amazing championships in a row and slowly losing entertainment value and then it’s not enough

This

Yea until the cost cap, hindering and holding back the great teams

​@@YASEEN_ZAbut then you run into the issue of the series becoming so uncompetitive when one team finds out how to get around the regulations

@@harveyknguyen true but look at Williams, such a basic underfloor yet the have like the most aero wind tunnel time.

@@YASEEN_ZA yeah they don't have a wind tunnel anymore either, too expensive for them to run

Well said. 👍

Well, the engineers do come up with some crazy stuff and the drivers are crazy enough to take to the track with that stuff on their cars. Do you know about the fan car? The one where it basically used suction force like in a vacuum to suck itself to the track so it could go through corners at full speed? Yeah, let's put a blender on the back of a car where cars regularly hit each other, that's safe.

@@TeodorSpiridonnot sure if this is a question or a pretentious statement 😂

@@WhyForWhatNow Dude's not pretentious, he showed up with receipts. You're the one with the flippant statement trying to characterize the FIA in a narrow light.

​@@WhyForWhatNow he made a point using an example. your reply has 0 substance.

This. The amount of times I’ve had to repeat this to people. F1 is a group effort, a team sport.

@@You.Me.Dancing In Indycar you have engineers who focus more on tuning and fuel than just making best car for most money. Indycar is more of a team sport IMO you have strategy plus driver plus engineers. whereas F1 is just engineers making the best car with most money while adhering to the formula, and drivers are tertiary at best

@@cthuluhu oh really? I always thought Indy Cars were spec cars. Only watched it a hand full of times in uni, so I don’t know it well at all.

​@@You.Me.DancingThey are spec cars, but they still have to figure out how to get the most out of an engine for longer periods of time than F1

If I want to watch Indy, I'd watch Indy.... but I don't 😂

Good point

Finally someone said it!

THIS IS TRUE

That’s basically what he was saying in a way

Yes, it is an overpriced fabrication

That happens in all competitions, soccer, basketball, tennis, etc. The difference is technology in F1 plays a more important role than in other sports. In the past, technology failed more than last 2 decades so you get randomness.

The only reason Max didn’t win was because he couldn’t pass at all.

That is completely untrue having a dominant car meaning when in three championships in a row or more is a product of the last 15 years

@@zeffnyg what are you saying? Senna won his titles with a dominant car. The Lotus in the 60s were dominant cars. In the past, a team could make a car and use it more than one season or introduce an evolution for the next season. Today, it's common to have 3 or 4 evolutions during a season.

Not necessarily. In an oval, the Indy car would dominate. F1 cars would need to have DRS open the whole time and they wouldn’t be able to recharge the battery. However, in a circuit, f1 cars would easily dominate as the Indy cars don’t have the same aerodynamic load or acceleration as f1 cars

Even funnier

Underrated comment lol

Friendly reminder that Williams F1 car is still only 1 second away from the RB... Yes 1 second is a lot in F1 but c'mon it's only 1 second you won't even notice

@@DoorTechnicianRick I know it’s just they’re the WOAT in this era. Comment had to be made.

@@DoorTechnicianRick yeah, but imagine you have to watch an F1 race, what you'd prefer? 20 smoothie-to-drive RBs or 20 I-have-no-rear-grip-and-tires-are-gone Williams?

10 teams, 20 drivers and 20 rounds. The drivers switched teams every round (obv would drive for the same team twice per season). Then we would have a clear constructors and drivers champion.

​@@dazig76 bruh wtf are you saying 😂

@@dazig76 That sounds all nice in theory (and you bet I would watch how that unfolds!) , but if you see how long it takes accomplished drivers to get used to a new car after switching teams, it's not at all a realistic proposal. This is the 'formula' of F1. Don't like it? Don't watch.

It was all about who could make the faster car until the FIA had friends who lost to those faster cars and now we have banned technology all in the name of "competition" Imagine what cars would be like today if nothing ended up being banned.

@@Ixxlostinabox I get the idea of allowing innovative technology, and I actually really like it. but if we had all that, the cars would be too fast and blah blah... too sad. Actually all the innovations were small bypass loopholes so the cars wouldn't even be all that much faster. I wish for a Formula UNLIMITED, where only Budget cap exists, but pretty much no other rules. Group C Le Mans, but with Cost cap. How great would that be?

True

but the cars are kind of ugly. F1 cars are cool as hell but the racing is boring and the passes happens in DRS zones. Indycar definitely has the best racing.

(I'm its an opinion but) IndyCar looks just as good as f1 neither is better in my opinion also the tracks IndyCar races at like Portland just make the race feel more homey if you know what is mean .

@@charlesjohnson6910 f1 has to race in different countries because Europe is so small, you can’t have 18 races in the same country.

What action?? There's barely any overtakes, tyre strategies and the circuits are either boring on an oval, or lame on a tight street circuit.. The cars are garbage and all the drivers are has-been jealous of other motorsports..

💯

I know what you mean, but we don't really know what they've done to the cars since 99% of the engineering is hidden underneath, and they certainly aren't sharing this information.

@@aberamagold7509we’ve seen plenty examples of clever solutions getting banned, like DAS, and like the F-duct and things of that nature, ground effect, etc. We don’t always hear about them too easily tho ur right

But is that the reason you keep coming back to the series? Do you really understand the changes that teams make to the cars on a weekly basis to improve them? I just fail to believe that even some of the most hardcore engineering nerds really derive their enjoyment from hearing news about a new upgrade. Would you not say that the on track battles in, say, 2021 were more exciting than watching one team dominate?

As a spectator, I do not enjoy how investors circumvent rules to buy engineers. F1 should have two different series then. A manufacturer's championship and a drivers championship that has spec car(the last years manufacturer's champion).

"Pinnacle of motorsport" 😂😂 bs

Anything that gets innovated is immediately banned

They banned every new innovation. Their stupid "Formula" make it so expensive, yet so hard to invent new stuff. On top of that, they Make every new team pays a lot to enter.

"Was" an engineering competition. It stopped being that in the beginning of this century when they increased limits and regulations and for instance, forced everybody to use the same 'standard' ECU.

and views! I don't watch indy car because I realy enjoy the engineering competition. seeing cars and drivers make improvements and the shuffled power levels make a much more entertaining overall experience for me. I have a general idea of how fast each team is and how many points they could or could not get, which makes drivers doing better with worse cars even more entertaining :)

Well said

I disagree personally, I've always liked how unique F1 is because of this formula but just going from one era of dominance to the next is extremely boring to watch. You can predict most podiums.

The RB is just so fast on the straights that it goes beyond harmony between the car and driver...the car is flat out superior no matter who is behind the wheel. Props to the engineers of course, but results in formula 1 are much more influenced by the cars than the drivers. Most fans though will cheer on the drivers for being "better" than anyone else when really it's the car. But Max himself needed luck to win against a superior Mercedez and even Michael couldn't win against McLaren back in the 90s when they simply made the superior car.

And verstappen wins for the 15th time

​​@@rowanmelville1310Ask other teams to make better cars then.

Full on Facts.

Yeah. I don't agree with will power here entirely - and I am an American who likes IndyCar - I think that Will Power forgot that IndyCar used to be wayyy more popular & entertaining in the 1990s back when they had multiple different chassis makers designs + different aero and multiple different engine suppliers. It was a lot more like F1, both in terms of diversity of different cars & engine makers but also in terms of speed too. IndyCar/CART was ironically better & more successful back when it was way more like F1 in the 90s. You had Penske Chassis + Mercedes engines which dominated many races, then Penske chassis + Chevy-Ilmor engines then also Penske Chassis + Ford Cosworth engines then you had Lola Chassis + Judd engines, amd Lola chassis + Chevy-Ilmor engines, and Lola Chassis + Alfa Romeo engines, and Lola Chassis + Ford Cosworth engines, then March Chassis + Porsche engines. Then also A March chassis + Alfa Romeo engine. Then there was also Reynard Chassis + Toyota and Honda engines as well as the other engines too. Also Penske chassis + Buick engines. Also SWIFT Chassis+ Ford Engine. And more combos. Oh and a Porsche Chassis + Porsche engine in 1987-1990. It was not very successful but still very cool to see. IndyCar/CART was NOT always a spec series with only 1 car & 1 engine type. It was much more popular & successful (imo) when they had multiple Chassis makers (Penske, Lola, March, Reynard, Swift, Porsche and others) oh and teams would use different Chassis from the same maker. Like in 1997 there was at least 3 different types of Lola Chassis being raced together on top of all the other chassis makers. It was a diverse grid. Then on top of that back then there was TONS of different engine makers in indycar/champcar back then like: Ford, Chevy, Mercedes, Porsche, Alfa Romeo, Buick Cadillac, Toyota, Honda, Cosworth, Judd, ILMOR, etc. I almost liked that kind of formula more than F1 a little bit in a way because 1990s IndyCar -Champ car allowed for a very diverse and unique grid with tons of different types of chassis & different types engines leading to teams mixing & matching all sorts of combinations of the different types of chassis & engines available. This formula produced close & competitive racing at a very cheap cost, while also being very diverse and entertaining seeing all sorts of engine & chassis combinations, but it was too complex like in F1 where it's super expensive, and sometimes very unfair advantages for teams. I disagree with Will Power. Maybe I'm wrong but I'd prefer IndyCar to go back to it's old ways with multiple Chassis makers+ multiple Engine makers. I think this certainly would make IndyCar much more popular and at least a tiny bit more competitive with F1 in terms of popularity. F1 will probably always be popular, but I think IndyCar could make a comeback and recover from the devastating split if they did this again.

Well said

I can’t buy a Red Bull car

@@adammaxwell1849 And?

But man, what's with those ovals

@@vincentkruithof4658 Ovals are exciting in Indycar because it can create a lot of side-by-side racing. They're going more than 220mph, racing inches from each other, and their on-board cameras show you how intense it is.

@@vincentkruithof4658- EXCITEMENT, that's what's with the ovals.

​@@vincentkruithof4658watch some past and present ovals,the last fontana indycar race was some crazy side by side racing!

@@Creepingevilindycar oval races are the only good ones ever in the world, the rest are so boring and repetitive.

IndyCar for racing fans, F1 for people who want to get into blood feuds on twitter about which driver they have a weird parasocial relationship with

@@danlorett2184 Exactly! That‘s also why I follow F1 since 2008. In these days, we had to go to special forums or facebook groups to hate each other. Much easier now! I also heard Twitter was created because of F1. Love this shit 😘

Maybe true but Indycar seems to be decided on who has the luck with the 20 yellow flags

@@isimon. so you love being one of those dickhead F1 fans? swear all y’all use “dts” as a tactic for when ANYONE says something that you think is wrong and it’s quite embarrassing tbh

@@snoopythedog3266indycar has fantastic racing.

Yup, my comment about it taking a better engineer to find seconds in Indycar than an engineer from scratch in F1 🤷🏽‍♂️

Still, Indycar and Dallara have accomplished what they set out to do. There are big setup changes that teams will get right and wrong on any given weekend, which keeps an engineering effort going, but since the teams are largely playing with the same parts bin, the cars are largely similar. Just look at results for the last few seasons. There are standout talents in the sport (Power, Newgarden, Palou, etc) but there has not been utter season long domination. The Dallara spec Indycar also seems to encourage close following. Less dirty air than even the new F1 cars. I think F1 should have a long chat with Dallara about what makes Indycars so Race-able.

I’m sure he does, that doesn’t preclude him from being allowed to have an opinion on f1

@@TheGoudaGoblin Turn your brain on, read the comment again, then try really, really hard to comprehend it, but if you're still too stupid to understand at that point, then get a 5-year-old child to explain it to you.

​@@TheGoudaGoblinthat is like saying some action movie would be so much better if it had comedy in it, because I like comedies and don't care about action scenes. There's already comedy movies and action movies, same way there's spec series and manufacturer series. You don't need to make them all the same.

​@@el_androi1203bad comparison

​@@Bobbarker23455That was decent comparison. Now care to elaborate on why it was not a good comparison to you?

But it would still produce the same outcome, just with marginally slower lap times and the drivers having to really hustle the car as they’re more difficult to drive, so if anything I think it’d be better with midfield/back-marker cars. I’d love to see it personally! However, I can’t ever see it happening unfortunately because of 💰💰💰

What about the first race of the season "bahrain" with a race with a bog standard car. Like the 2022 concept car. Everyone in a similar one for one race and then the next one the teams bring their packages and improvements

Which still wouldn't matter because all that matters is who would drive said Williams the best. I mean, even the utter disaster that the 2021 Haas was would absolutely THRASH a modern IndyCar on any road circuit.

@@Weerknuffelbeer but they thrash a modern indycar because f1 is not a spec series. Most of what makes indycar, lmp1, etc. as fast as they are today was pioneered by f1 because it is not a spec series

​@@eloymartinsuarez3946 F1 would just make Red Bulls chassis concept a spec. You could have teams collaborate over the design. It would make a much better product but the big teams would never allow it.

We didn’t think that

Not a true fan and neither a bright one i guess.

Agree. You never see anyone in F1 go 3-4 wide except in turn 1, lap 1. That seems to happen every race, every two to three turns in Indy.

@@JustinWoobecause you don’t ever go 3-4 wide in road course racing…. Not in F1, not in INDYCAR, not in V8 Supercars, not even in karting.

Yeah and look the table palou with inmense leadership over the second!

@@Michael-pi8ps they do in NASCAR sometimes im pretty sure, but i dont watch the road course races much besides Sonoma and COTA

I dont think having 5 people around p1 makes it exiting if it happened every race. Same with quali most people after 2-3 year dont really care anymore if there driver is p1 or p5 really

Monaco be like:

this year has been incredibly bland, I enjoyed 2022 for the most part. I blame it on Vettel and Danny Ric, Seb had some incredible races in a tractor. 2 guys F1 really does need.

have you really been watching lately? as this statement is far from reality

Bro is not watching F1 lol

Then don't watch instead of shaming or trying to change it. It's quite toxic.

2 words: “Sunday drive”

@@EricBurns1 2 words: " " argh fuck it, I don't even know what you are fighting over.

2 words: Two words

@@MDE_never_dies 2 words: Dutch Anthem

2 words: Darude Sandstorm

Boring for murrican but not for us the rest of the world who understands the team effort to produce a very special car.

Because you do not understand that it's a radically different racing Decor is a spec series every car is the same can you either have a Chevy engine or a Toyota engine for a Honda engine comparing the two racing series is extremely idiotic

Funny he wasn’t concerned about that when he was with Ferrari, or when he was with Benetton when he had the superior Engine/tire package

@@thomasgentilella1183 lol, thats why things need to change so that all are equal status like inindy and let the drivers make the difference. i would rather watch a road race than F1 any time, thats why i dont watch nascar much either, the only reason people watch it is because of all the crashes, there are races from australia that i watch that are better than most other crap going on. i miss the trans am series of racing that was gong on wheni was younger and in those days they were actual street cars modied for the track not like todays cars that are engines in a frame with a fake plastic body that has nothing to do with real cars, pure bullshi today

Don’t think you guys understand he was joking ffs it’s clear he was joking

Then you destroy the whole DNA of F1. There would be no development, no high-tec stuff from other planets, also the normal car industry benefits from these crazy technologies that are invented for f1 cars. Only newbies to the sport would agree with this.

​@@alfredh2079Tell me one thing that came from F1 and is in a normal car

f1 is for the fans. the fans want to see a different winner every race. also its not fair that 75 percent of the grid drives a turd of a car and theres not much they can do about it

@@jackassdude2010 cry about it, this happens. one team is better till others can upgrade, then they start to catch. if they aren’t beating RB it’s their own fault

​@@jackassdude2010 Other teams should've built better cars then.

@@Seopy with what money? Most of the payouts going to the top team to begin with

@@theguardianwolf7206 Then build better cars????

These subsequent dominations are precisely the issue. It's insane how clear of the rest one team manages to get, for years on end, time and time again in F1. It's truly awful

Last time they stop dominating, because FIA itself intervene with the rule. Your point ironically prove why once they dominating, it's unstoppable.

​@@illbeV true true.. We haven't had dominations like we have had last decade and this ever. Except with ferrari and schumi. It's just terrible. No point showing up to watch any race. Team Ferrari didn't help either .. when they had chances gifted it all away.

@@bruceviv2003 as a Ferrari fan, i was terribly bored in 2004. When Alonso came along the next year it felt strangely liberating. I'm tired of having these completely one-sided championships, i've been through way too many of them now, it's all so pointless

And let's be clear: standardized F1 would be WORSE than current Indycar. Frankly IndyCar has been blowing F1 out of the water for a LONG time in this regard. It's just a much better series altogether.

This held up well after the Indy 500 / Monaco weekend lol

@@fornhunkleIndy 500 was crazy

If i wanted a fair race I'd watch F2 F1 is engineering That's how it always was

@@catalintimofti1117 I would choose F3 instead, but I share your point

I bet his parents made the realization of the entertaining idea when naming him when considering their last name. 😅

@@TheEDFLegacy yeah🤣

He found it so simple to kick his nicotine addiction.

Part of every weekend is about upgrades, we listen to engineers and designers as well as the drivers

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Then watch WEC, there is much more room for engineering there and not everything is banned when it gets too good

@@eggselent9814 I love WEC, and this year's Le Mans was magnificent, but I can't help but be a little bit underwhelmed by the specs of the LMH and LMdH cars (though not by the cars themselves). In terms of power and downforce, they're just not following the crazy hikes we see in road cars. Nowadays, even the base Ferrari supercar is more powerful than Ferrari's LMH (Le Mans winning) hypercar. I know that LMP1 were jewels, but it wouldn't have been difficult to be closer to their power (think +150 hp on the ICE and +150hp on the electrical systems), without having to resort to fickle engineering, especially since we've had a few big capacity engines on the grid this year. To me, that removes just a bit of magic, just think how weird it is that if Aston Martin had brought the Valkyrie to Le Mans, it would have been 400hp less powerful than the road legal version? To be fair, that's a criticism that can be levelled to most of the current racing classes (GT3, NASCAR, Indy, maybe even WRC or F1), but the fall from LMP1 to Hypercar is bigger and harder, especially in the 2k hp electric hypercar era. There's a lot of freedom and creativity in WEC, but it doesn't have the dominating feeling of F1. Oh, and a WEC program costs 10x less than an F1 program, and you can feel it in the engineering too.

@@ambergris5705 The problem is simply that F1 regulates its inventions way to much. We have had some genius inventions like the Double diffusor, the Blown Diffusor or DAS all banned after 1 season. These things were perfectly legal. Why kill engineering then? On the other hand the LMP1 prototypes were simply too expensive and keeping them would've ended the WEC, like the World Sportscar Championship in 1992. The thing, that F1 has is its marketing. It has by far the best marketing of any series.

This. Then we had a couple years of alonso and a few others before we got the likes of Vettel and Hamilton. I do miss the old guard sometimes. I thoroughly believe Ross Brawn was one of, if not THE greatest team principal to have been in the sport

Obviously you are in the minority. It’s literally the second largest spectator sport worldwide and growing.

F1 is entertaining and i watch every race but the races are subpar and can be awfully boring. Its a championship for engineers first drivers second.

It's a Netflix drama and entertainment that I like. F1 is good marketing tool for companies and training tool for Engineers.

Agreed, F1 is so predictable these days, just Verstappen in P1 all season.

You dont understand the competition and the huge fanbase of F1 is because the majority of racing fans do.

You do realize that 90% of F1 is about teams getting to build the fastest cars they can, right? And that that factor is completely removed in Indy, since they use spec cars, right???

@@Levi-tv5pdat this point then f1 isn’t racing it’s engineering

@@103racingnetwork yeah

​@@Levi-tv5pdThen there shouldn't be any regulations or forced parts like a v6 hybrid.

Or even are aware of how dull the past 10 years have been outside a couple seasons

Yes most f1 races are not that interesting on the driver and wacher side. The main key points are strategy and car Performance. I am happy that f1 exist as most Technologie developed there gets reinvented or is used to optimes daily normal cars.

no its like if you had michael jordan vs michael jordan with a weighted vest on. if you had max vs lewis in the same car the season would be way more competitive

So does it market itself as the "pinnacle of motorsport" your example makes no sense. Two greats going toe to toe= more competition and a better show. 😅

No it wouldnt be the same player against the same player. It would be players with the same height, same shoes, same body. The only thing that would be different would be the skills

How much of that "tech" actually makes it to a non-hypercar? I wanna hear what actual tech made it from F1 to a road car? I'm willing to bet more tech developed for the Mercedes S-Class makes it to regular cars than F1.

Dude that’s a terrible example. MJ vs someone equally skilled would be the best 1v1 ever

GP2 engine for all? :D

He would say that, because if we are being honest, he is the best driver in Formula One.

Why HP isnt everything. The red Bull don't have more HP then everyone else. Other cars actually have more HP. Red Bull has just figured out have to have the most downforce with the least amount of drag, which is why the red Bull is the fastest car

Alonso is just a sore loser. If he was in a Mercedes or a RB he would never say that.

@@ronaldmolokwuHAHAHAHAH 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 LEWIS>CRYLONSO OCON>CRYLONSO 😂😂😂😂

Herta is not going there since the FiA scum used technicalities so he couldn't get his super-license

Yup, F1 is not for drivers i guess. F1 is now Netflix series, a great marketing tool for car makers and training tool for Engineers. Sad for drivers😂

I guess murricans don't understand engineering. Us the rest of the world respect the engineering aspects of F1.

Who gives a crp about the car? You should avoid giving opinions.

@@MahendraGaadhi only a narrow minded F1 fan is going to care about who makes a better car than the quality of racing. Tell me you know nothing about racing without telling me you know nothing about racing!

True but 2022 had 9 race winners, and 8 pole sitters. And most years at least 2 drivers are in contention up to the last race. Besides Ganassi and Penske run 4 cars each almost half an F1 grid.

Ricciardo gives me Pat Bateman vibes

Because Indycar is nothing compared to F1.

@@warrenjoubert4027 How about an Aussie win a championship then

@@Nick-mq9vz my neighbours kid won a chess tournament. Why does he not get international recognition? Because a real world champion needs to win at the highest level of the sport. A indycar champion is not a world champion, cause it's an inconsequential formulae. F1 is the highest racing goes. It's the same reason WSB is not as well followed as MotoGp. While the racing may be even better, it's not the top tier of the sport.

@@warrenjoubert4027 Why is Craig Lowndes and Shane Van Gisbergen so well known then. Your argument is redundant. Shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.

Drivers are supposed to be the focus not engineers. Ferrari: driver. McLaren: Driver. Williams: driver. Brabham: driver. We could go on forever. Engineering is a necessary part of the competition but as it became the prevalent part the sport became boring. And I say it as an engineer.

With second class drivers.

@@twothbeavebruh what

@@twothbeavef1 fans are like the white supremacists of the racing world. Always thinking their series is better than any other

@@micahsmith9463 F1 fans genuinely believe that the only good drivers in the world are in F3 and F1.

​​@@napalmpuddingonsidering released F1 drivers go to Indy and they win easily... I agree. There's even better drivers on Rallys

So you're saying it would be an improvement?

@@GT1Vette Oh, sorry for the mistake

Historical retro one-off GP’s would be cool 🤔 🧐 🤨

there are series where people race older f1 cars

Get away from F1 and bring with you these ridicolous ideas. F1 was perfectly fine until someone decided we had to find new ways to feed Netflix fans. F1 doesn't need new things, if people don't like it the way it is they can follow basketball or soccer

@@alfonsotatto8365 I see where you're coming from, but F1 is evolving constantly each week. I don't see why it's a problem that they've introduced new things to the sport, especially when you take a look at how far technology has come since it started :)

An historical gp would be entertaining but considering it would mean racing without modern safety features it wouldn't happen

or Formula E

@@TheEpicNewman yeah

Its not that easy. Let alone thet rookies already have a hard time adjusting to F1, the driving style of the RB is very specific to being peaky. This also has to do with drivers, Max is simply a generational talent who rarely makes mistakes and takes the opportunity of driving a fast car. Meanwhile, Checo had regular good races but he always had a couple of clucker races (Monaco and Spain). If an experienced driver like Checo isn't having perfect weekends like Max is, it just shows that Max was really built for racing and that you can't just pick any F2 driver and be guaranteed to win a race. We are simply watching an Era of Domination by RB that will end eventually, like every other Era, ever. Also why are you having such an issue with domination by teams/drivers? Thats literally how the sport has been since the f*cking 50s! Dont tell me you haven't been aware of the McLaren, Williams, Ferrari, Mercedes and RB Eras of domination?? If you don't like "the lack of competition" in F1, then you shouldn't have ever been interested in it in the first place.

So are you saying Checo is worse than a F2 driver?

@@TheEpicNewman No im not saying this im just saying that the Redbull is leagues ahead of the teams and a F2 driver can still do decent in the car.

But one needs that connection with the drivers, otherwise it's Formula SAE with a bigger budget. No one (other than engineering companies looking to hire and students' parents) cares much for that.

No

That was one of the rare competitive years for F1. Last year IndyCar had 7 drivers who could’ve been champion going into the final race… a NY s that’s just a typical year.

​​@@arwyssWelp, that's the difference between Team-Built Chassis and Engine vs Spec Cars.

A Nascar race at Talladega will have more lead changes in one race than F-1 will have in 10 seasons. Europeans don't seem to know the difference between a race and cars going fast.

true. max is just the victim of the you either die as a hero or live long enough to be a villain

Probably because he acts like a douche

You: everyone is always against crystappen Muhuhu 😭😭😭😭😭 People like you cried more about Lewis that there was more frequent wet races because of uou

I think there's a solid middle ground to be had. A spec engine, for instance, would level the playing field a little, but without touching any of the aero regs which are making the bigger difference. I don't think it would magically bring everyone up to RBR, but if it brings the bottom of the field closer to the midfield and gives other teams a shot at a win with good strategy calls, then it would be worth it.

I am already switching to WEC. Liberty media will kill f1

Most sports cars kinda use their racing cars for future endeavours

I agree that is not what F1 is about but what F1 is doing now is pretty much same, very little innovation because regulations are too tight so only couple teams get to play the game. F1 is supposed to be engineers dream not a nightmare.

But are you watching the race or these guys at a drawing board?

The Indianapolis 500 was one of the original F1 races

For a while they were both very similar. What changed was the ever greater involvement of major manufacturers (other than Ferrari) and the comparatively massive amounts of money injected into the equation. Back in the day Indycar wasn't a spec series at all, and it still managed to be driver-centric and exciting. But the avalanche of money and technology that started to permeate F1 since the late 1980s caused it to go into a completely different direction. Technology is fascinating, and there sure is a brand of excitement to be had there, for sure. But the utterly predictable racing it produces is hardly entertaining from a spectator's point of view.

There shouldn’t be a budget cap. It’s not just about the budget anyway. Otherwise Renault would be doing better.

IndyCar is great. Up until the Indy 500, there were different race winners all races. Although now there seems like one is pulling ahead of the rest, Palou. Really talented driver.

In other motorsports Gaslys win happens all the time lmao. F1 isn't the pinnacle of motorsport, that's just branding. Its got probably easily the worst wheel to wheel racing along with car performance being the main factor.

@@Yakub943 the fact car performance is the biggest factor is the exact reason why it’s the pinnacle of motorsport. And gaslys win was rare, exactly what made it so special, if 10 different drivers win a race in the season, that’s entertainment for sure but it’s not the best of the best.

@@Garudab It's the pinnacle of constructors, that's it. The motorsport part of F1 is a bit of a joke. Best team will always win drivers championships.

@@Yakub943 that’s the point... that’s how it should be? the pinnacle of motorsport should always have the best team win. if you are the best, you deserve to dominate... this is a billion dollar sport, there shouldn’t be things handed out

@@Garudab No the pinnacle of Motorsport should be the best driver/engineer combination. Not the team with the deepest pockets. Ferrari literally had the benefit for years of being paid more than other teams because of legacy, it’s a complete farce. Lewis dominated because of Mercedes, Verstappen dominated because of Red Bull now. These drivers are on the same level but because of F1 we will literally only get 1 title fight between two of the best drivers of all time. Every other Motorsport has the best team win. Indycar almost always has Penske or Chip Ganassi win. The point is it’s not so entrenched like F1 is.

The problem is not the cost cap itself, but also the many limitations teams face: so few opportunities for testing the car on track means you need to have very good wind tunnels and use them a lot… which is very expensive… and that created the new rules where wind tunnel time is restricted. 70 hours of wind tunnel alone tough is definitely not enough to develop a car, and that makes simulators much more important. The problem with all simulators, from the worst to the best one, is that they need to be set up to match real life… and that’s extremely difficult, especially creating tyre’s grip mathematical models at different downforce/temperature levels. Until a team figures out of tires work well enough they will always be behind the dominant team, no matter what

"A little boring", understatement of the century right there

@@UUUU-dn9wz testing requires lots of money and that's why f1 stopped unlimited testing, and for the team with more money their perofmance with just go farer

@@IronServerHK i know, but i think they should introduce 2 weeks of testing in the winter in tracks like spain and make pre season testing 6 days again (3 in spain in February and 3 in Bahrain in the week before race week)

How can they "work harder" when the most of the teams are customer teams or b teams idiot.

Indy better?

In F1 whoever has the most money to build a car that skirts the rules the most generally wins

@@danlorett2184 there’s a budget cap for that reason

@@chm1ata Hey whats the penalty for going over it? It's MONEY lmao

@@danlorett2184 and a reduction in aerodynamic testing

@@danlorett2184 it depends, if they greatly exceed the costcap you can get disqualified

Still, Indycar is muuuch more fun to watch

Damn you got the whole squad laughing 😐

So what??? He is talking about racing not money

BULLSHIT!

Exactly if Indy wanted they would commercial there products