INEOS Grenadier Offroad Review & Comparison : Australia 

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@@L2SFBC What is the reason in your opinion that CTIS has not hit the 4WD community in Australia ? There are portal axles; various locker systems; ECDS shock absorbers etc. But CTIS not promoted by anyone for Landcruisers, Patrols,Hinos and for Isuzu trucks. Tyre pressure is a crucial element which should be in the apex from anyone’s modification list. You should have the ability to adjust tyre pressure on the fly depending on the terrain.

​@@prasannakurukuladithya7630Probably the added complexity issue. Most manufacturers can barely make their chassis strong enough to withstand the off-road touring conditions in Australia, let alone CTIS.

And I didnt have to hear again why it was created!

@@MTNDOG39 YES! If I hear that backstory one more time…

Thanks Michael, appreciated! I didn't notice a difference in throttle response, nor did INEOS mention it in emails to me, or in the owner's manual. I don't think it's necessary. Chances are it's remapped in low range anyway, or maybe with a centre lock.

Thank you, I do try and be fair.

Why "forgive its sins" and isn't that the same for any other car?

Taking the rough with the smooth is not exactly a new problem to those of us that typically run iconic 4x4 vehicles for ten years plus, with the superiority of effortless capability offset from getting cricks in the neck admiring the thing when walking away, ripping endless items of clothing on sharp door latches when getting out, putting up with the noise, vibration, water leaks, glacial acceleration, conceding modern ABS might be useful, with the biggest regrets being the ultimate selling, not the buying. And often losing very little money annually in the lifecycle process. Grenadier seems to tick most of the positive boxes.

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Andrew St Pierre White?

@@Br1anuk yes that's the fella, I take it you watched his last video then ! What a sham!

@@stephenhankey688 had to turn it off half way through.

I've got a lot of respect for Andrew, I like the way he goes about bringing his builds to fruition using new innovative but simple design ideas. The problem Ineos has is its developed a vehicle in the 2020's and not the 1980's so it has to meet all the stringent legislation of today. Can't wait to see the new Toyota Prado compared to it.

@Br1anuk yes I think he has worn all the T Shirts, he's a clever man, and has been a pioneer for 4x4 enthusiasts and his films, for many years, goal posts have moved in the last 10yrs, though, in 4x4 circles there's a lot more people building vehicles nowadays, so makes Andrew less unique. Atb.

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@@L2SFBC your style reminds me of Peter Wherrett - a former credible motoring journalist from a bygone era.

It's a VERY good offroader, that's for sure, and thank you!

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That's true but I think it has very very poor ground clearance. I've heard others say that also. And you can't fit bigger tires very easily. I'm surprised they can print it to an old disc go when it's a brand new vehicle over 20 years newer. Gosh if they would have had a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon on here with the factory disconnecting sway bars and front and rear lockers it would have put the Grenadier to shame so bad the video would have met people like the Jeep too much so maybe that's why they didn't use one. You can even fit 35s on a factory Jeep or a Bronco Sasquatch which actually has really good articulation in the front even for IFS

@@ronaldrrootiii6040…after playing in the mud you should drive the Rubicon and the Grenadier back home 200 miles over a German Autobahn. I guess you will be impressed about the fact that the difference in capabilities on-road is a lot bigger between the two than off-road. Overall, the Grenadier is the most capable 4x4 to date, taking On/Offroad, price, factory fittings etc. into account. Just like that…😊

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Red Winch (a local company to my area, and very helpful) emphasised that the Grenadier winch is a self recovery winch, and that alone. They also explained in detail how they had to conform to European Pedestrian Impact laws which cost them (and Ineos) a fortune to comply to. That’s why the winch is set back in the front chassis crossmember as opposed to being further forward (which would result in non compliance of impact regs). However, Red Winch have released an aftermarket alternative (thereby freeing up Ineos from OE fitment litigation issues) called the Nomad, which has double the rope capacity to that of the factory fitted winch. But the owner (in Europe) would have to declare the fitment for Off Road Use Only, as with any exposed winch that could injure a pedestrian.

@@robinireland810 fair enough, but down underwear allowed to have bow bars on the front of the Ineos Grenadier so why not a normal winch from one of the more popular brands like Warn etc. My personal Suzuki Jimny has a 5,500 lb Axom winch and a number of people point out that my 15 metre cable is too short and it’s a pain but works for me just. Why would anyone pay for an overpriced winch with a short cable?

@@overland_adventure_nz being UK based, I can’t answer to NZ or Australian legislation; you may well be able to mount an exposed winch in your countries. The addition of bull bars and other protection measures would be a no brainer too, but here in the UK we’re limited to what type of cotton wool we can tie on the front (as long as it carries an allergy warning). We can’t even add the optional chequer plate wing top protectors, as they too contravene European Pedestrian impact regs!! I looked at the pricing of the Ineos accessory list and compared their prices to the retail market; surprisingly, Ineos have put minimal markup on their accessories, with most of them showing no more than 5% at current prices. Fundamentally, I’d agree with you that the Grenadier winch is overpriced. If it was delivered in a cardboard box on its own, then yes, it would be massively overpriced. However, without wishing to defend their pricing, you have to take into consideration how much it costs a vehicle manufacturer to obtain Type Approval for a winch (or other externally fitted device) to be fitted as an OE fitment option as opposed to being an aftermarket accessory. As briefly touched on in previous post, it took Ineos and Red Winch (who I think were formally branded as Warne) two years to get Type Approval to fit a winch as OE fitment. Some of the price is probably reflected in that (in my opinion). Also, you’re not just buying the winch. You’re paying for upgraded suspension, a modified front chassis member, a fully approved wiring harness built into the vehicles main loom, plus all the bracketry and extra manhours it takes for Pierre and Gaston to install it all. Plus you’re getting a full Ineos warranty for at least 2 years on the winch, which is more than what Red Winch offer if purchased independently. You can’t buy the OE winch from Red Winch as it was designed exclusively for Ineos and can only be installed during the vehicle’s manufacture. I wholeheartedly agree that 15m of rope is not enough, but the physical constraints of the chassis crossmember and having to set it back made it impossible for the designers to up the rope capacity. So if you’re seriously considering buying a Grenadier and you’re expecting to be using a winch on a regular basis to recover other vehicles as well as your own, then the OE fitment winch most likely isn’t suitable, and an aftermarket item, plus all related suspension and fitting upgrades would be the best route. Again, in my humble opinion. All the best. My 2 seater Commercial Grenadier will come with the OE winch, and part of my permanent kit will include recovery gear (from Red Winch) as well as trauma 1st Response kit and a defibrillator. I’m hoping I never have to use any of them.

@@robinireland810 Hi, thanks. I didn’t know that the chassis was upgraded for the winch, and I do appreciate the pre wiring of the winch. Just disappointed that a manual transmission is not available standard and I would have to replace the automatic transmission myself once it comes. I’m going to now wait a few more months before thinking about placing an order.

I would doubt that any potential purchases are put off the car as a result of this review. Maybe not buy the winch if there's an alternaitve, but there's not.

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It's not Bronco/Wrangler. The USA doesn't really do workhorse wagons like this one. Thanks for the comment!

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@@L2SFBC You put all these other blah blah hyperbole merchants to shame. So refreshing to have someone composed and to the point.

If I can get one, yes!~

Hopefully I can get lent a car and evaluate that, and tow! I did some dirt-road driving in high range but insufficient for me to form conclusions. However, AWD, decent handling...I'm expecting it to be okay to good.

@@L2SFBC Yes, agree but curious about front wheel wobble at speed as depicted in earlier video's, much the same gremlin as that plaquing Jeep. Steering geometry should have been sorted I hope.

Only one way to find out!!!

@@trickster8635 so called death wobble is a characteristic of all solid axle 4wd's. all of them can or will do it with worn parts incorrect castor or wheel alignment.

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Not quite - at the time of the test there were no press vehicles available. I doubt INEOS would restrict me from that test if I had a press vehicle, it's not extreme and didn't hurt the car. I've done harder with other cars quite often.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Unfortunately I feel like it doesn't have very good ground clearance though. I'm surprised that compared to an old disco I mean it's 20 years newer they should compare to a Wrangler Rubicon and a Bronco Sasquatch

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Thanks, is yours left hand drive?

Ineos is a huge company, massive in chemical production. The cars are just a passion project. Would be interesting to see how long they do it for.

Thanks, I agree it's great the lockers are there. Land Rover only used lockers as auto-activated, but plenty of other carmakers - Jeep, Toyota, Mercedes to name but three - offer vehicle with front/rear lockers, and many more rear only.

hmm was the issue reported in any reviews? I didn't spot it, I did watch a couple of videos off the release event. I agree it needs to be fixed.

I expect so yes!

a long way to go forward yet

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Thanks for the sub. Yes, I've had a comment someone from for ONE KILOMETER before it switched off. Reason is no wheel speed difference. Annoying!

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And THAT is why you do not count on traction control, you count on LOCKERS!

All the 4wders have their good and bad points.

​@@Robert-cu9bmneither White or this chap are up to scratch....both somewhat odd. Better to get Aussies to do the testing.

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Thanks! The 18" wheels would use lower profile tyres so the overall diameter of the tyre and thus ground clearance remains the same. What's a "self recovery winch" as opposed to any other type?

@@L2SFBC I’ll pass that on to Red Winch, as that was their response to me when I discovered their Grenadier winch had only 15m of rope (of which they claim has a usable 13m) and questioned the limited capacity. They’re local to me, and were extremely helpful and informative when explaining the nightmare of gaining Type Approval for supplying Ineos with an OE fitment winch. They also mentioned that their new Nomad winch would address the rope capacity issue. It has a Grenadier fitting kit (external I presume), so should be ideal for the Australian market. If fitted to a UK Grenadier I imagine there would be an issue with insurance if involved in a collision on a public road as externally fitted (read aftermarket) winches would be for “off road use only” with the exception of Emergency Services and military.

The thumbs-out thing is more for vehicles without power steering or dampers. My thumbs are not hooked hard in, and if they've not been broken yet, I doubt they ever will be. I have driven Series Land Rovers and G60s etc offroad, that's an entirely different steering story!

May do some of that

One owner has removed the footrest and found it to be much larger than required, so there's that.

If I can get a car, then yes, also towing. The touring video will be a weights analysis for towing - spoiler - it's looking good. But I'd like to tow practically too. Weight is not much of a drawback offroad, and in some cases, heavier vehicles perform better. I have important things to say on weight in the next video.

No, won't work with the engine off, confirmed with INEOS. Yes, a pain for the reason you mentioned and others.

@@L2SFBC I have a Trialmaster and it does I can run the winch with the engine off .

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Yes, same size; I feel that given how offroad-oriented the Grenadier is, it should have gone larger. I did not make the same criticism of the LC300 when I did the preview drive as that car is more multi-purpose than the Grenadier.

Yeah I agree it looks way too low and unfortunately looks like you can't fit bigger tires very easily so it did follow Land Rover in that way haha I'm surprised they're comparing it to an old disco when it's so expensive in 20 years newer it should have compared it to a Bronco and a Wrangler Rubicon but by the end of the video everybody would have wanted a Wrangler Rubicon what is outstanding everything ability