@@BoshNRoll in commander it seems you have to keep a bit more lands in proportion but can at least cut 2 for 1 of each, like 30~31 landa brainstorm ponder.
Just remember that running every ponder and brainstorm you can in a 60 card Legacy deck is 13.3% of your deck... but the same in commander is about 2% of your deck. You'd need 13 to 14 different one mana cantrips to achieve a similar effect, and most of them are worse than Ponder and Brainstorm.
14:56 Too sad. I loved Dovin 24:29 So cool 26:26 Nope. Most microphones don't even catch me laughing, much less a hammer a floor above. Plus, I am listening to music in the BG 35:12 No poison on proliferate? 48:20 Part of the reason I love Proliferate. It has such cool techs 55:46 What a lovely set. I like that it introduced new Legacy tools. Very cool. Also, good Dalek voice
I've watched every single video on this channel for quite some time now, but I gotta say - this was possibly the most entertaining one in a while. Loved it hahaha
Even with the results, this was a delight to watch. I really enjoyed your thoughts on possible changes to this list and was wondering if you ever test them on your own for fun.
Dovin, hand of control was one of my favorite planeswalkers out of WAR. I've done some versions of planeswalker prison in standard/historic, and he was a big player in just shutting down creatures and non-creature decks at the same time.
As a bushwhacker at heart, I genuinely hate seeing u/w control. However, for reasons I can’t really explain, this was a very fun league. Popping off with ichormoon gauntlet was cool AF. And it felt like many of your losses were really close to winnable. These were some wacky card choices and the deck came out scrappy as hell. I really liked it. I hope we get to see some more brewing from you in the future Bosh! 😎😎😎 Anyone else kind of impressed with Dovan? That card was relevant in almost every game
I don't know about Moat but maaaaaybe Ensnaring Bridge? The idea being, the deck doesn't have an amazing card advantage engine, and if it's working, we can deal with things anyway. Maybe I'm just too deep, but sounds reasonable to me!
R1G1 there was an opportunity to take Force over STP off of Narset. You guessed he had Show & Tell but you had the Griselbrand under control with Narset and Dovin. Would it have been better to take the Force for the S&T and let Griselbrand stay in play?
14:32 really hoping what actually happens is that you float mana, resolve the annihilator trigger, then take care of Emrakul w the Wandering Emperor and untap w a PWer even if you have no lands. EDIT: 👌 EDIT: 😭😭😭
49:40 wouldn't it just be better to put a counter on saga via casting Teferi then proliferate with dovin to clear it? You can still bounce something else if you want to draw.
Can someone let me know if I'm mistaken. In game one match 3, the Ichormoon Gauntlet only puts counters on one permanent when a non creature spell is cast, but when Mr. Bosh N Roll proliferated with Dovin, he missed proliferating the poison counter onto Joe_L. At first, I thought he was missing proliferating the poison counters, but he wasn't able to besides the last counter. I think.
You are correct, but my guess its more that the clock was more of a concern than the poison counter. Winning by time was the wincon not the 10th counter, so it didn't matter and focus was on other things
You mentioned a Karakas earlier in the league, and I think that would be a great include in place of the 4th Tundra or basic Island. It answers Minsc and Marit Lage, both of whom you had trouble with this league, and also improves your game against Uro and Reanimator. But Karakas being great is old news, I know.
This was super cool!! I love that Brian is totally comfortable and even enjoys sitting around for 4+ turns just proliferating Planeswalkers with the attitude that "we'll find a Prologue eventually." It's a playstyle that's totally outside my comfort zone and is really novel to me.
Worth mentioning at 23:30~ is that Teferi, Master of Time can activate Loyalty Abilities on your opponent's turn, so you could have Proliferated 5 times for 9 Poison on your turn and then did it again on their turn. I'm sure you mention it like 5 seconds in the future from me typing out this comment, but I felt like pointing it out anyway.
Love this new archetype, a couple things I saw that might be cool is WAR Teyo, giving you hexproof, generating blockers, and having a higher than cost starting loyalty. Also gotta say Karn might be sweet here, have a sideboard package with bridge to stop attacking, needle, graveyard hate. Serum snare could be interesting for murktide as well as Marit Lage and constructs. Also The Wanderer from War might be a nice include. Lord knows it needs a home.
Ichor moon gauntlet is so cool because the cards it combos off with are just generally good control cards This deck might get even stronger without the poison and proliferate cantrips. You can kill with ashiok or really anything taking infinite turns with big teferi. That makes more room for good cantrips and control cards
In paper, I might agree. In MTGO, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable without the poison just for timeout reasons if your opponent doesn't concede when they see you have infinite or near-infinite turns
Ye thing just cutting the blighted agents is where you wanna start. Gives you room for those ponders or a walker that actually ends the game without needing the poison counter like an elspeth or jace.
I made a Modern "Superfriends" version of this when ONE was still newish, and man it was so fun. It wasn't quite competitive enough, but it did so many things. Kasmina, Enigma Sage would have been a great addition to your deck as well. You could have found the supreme verdict you needed, and scry is pretty great when you can do it many multiple times lol.
After deducing show and tell successfully why didn't we grab force of will at 12:25 instead of StP? We had griselbrand under control with dovin and could stay alive longer and dig for other answers instead of trying to deal with a resolved threat.
This is exactly the type of deck that I would have built for standard, and I never would have imagined that this strategy could hang as well as it did in this format. I'm definitely gonna be picking up some ichormoon gauntlets to brew around in a few different formats.
I've tried out this style of decks in standard, I think Blighted Agent is a big mistake. You are a tap-out control deck first and foremost, with a secondary win-con in Prologues. I'd even cut down Prologue to 3 because its a really bad card if it doesn't win you the game soon. On the other hand, Augury is baseline Anticipate, is strong with walkers. You don't need poison to proliferate, extra counters on Narset can be really strong for example. I don't know if you'd play it over something else though, this is legacy.
I’ve been running the Return of Tezzerator in an Esper 8-cast type shell for Ichormoon Gauntlet in my legacy play group. Having AoB ultimate as soon as he enters has been fun, same with Walking Ballista getting counters and popping off with his little pea-shooter. I’ll have to test out Dovan in it!
Bosh have you ever tried rings of brighthearth in a planeswalker deck? I know it mainly sees play in commander but paying two mana to copy a plainswalker ability could be good.
haven't watched all the way to end but gotta comment that maybe you could drop all blighted agents for ponders? Virtual card advantage from blanking all removal opponent has.
the game was already well in hand, and yet 52:31 drawing the Null Rod is just... funny. great video, round 2 definitely encapsulates the idea behind Ichormoon Gauntlet
When you’re building a deck, start with someone else’s established idea. Get a UW control deck that’s done well and start moving pieces around until it does what you want it to.
Commenting for the algorithm but I do have a question if you look through comments at all: Any chance we'll see some more Death and Taxes action in the coming future? Last video was from about 8 months ago~ Of course if you could recommend a DnT content creator I'll also check them out! GLHF and see you on the next one
Blue Farm is my real deck and Raffine is my fun project. I’m just always looking for asymmetrical advantage. Haven’t had one it play yet, just theory crafting.
@@BoshNRoll I can see it being good in Raffine just for disruption purposes, as like maybe the 3rd or 4th best sphere effect behind Damping Sphere and Esper Sentinel and probably Thalia too. I've only tried it in pods which are at the cusp between fringe-cEDH and extremely high power casual decks (or decks that would've been cEDH if they were around 6 years ago), which are slightly more creature heavy and closer to casual so it's been a bit worse there. But once I get the gall to build a UWx or UWxx deck I'll have to try one out for research purposes (:
As a Vorthos player I am a big fan of brews. They have always felt, to me, like seeing a “different kind of magic” from a different kind of wizard within the story-universe that Magic the gathering is “telling” writ large. In this case, revealing how the proliferation of Phyrexian oil can be so astoundingly powerful for unsuspecting wizards out there who come across a wizard who wields such power. Leagues like this one are the best way to see “that kind of magic” “in the wild” and give context to how Sheoldred and Elesh Norn may have indeed decimated those who came before them. Despite the losing rate, damn entertaining to watch an on-board Storm-walker infection win. Great, great stuff.
@@BoshNRoll Your insane metagame knowledge always baffles me. I naively always think a good card is a good card, regardless of circumstance. Love watching your vids, I learn alot from them.
Guess we found another reason Atraxa is better than Griselbrand: it still picks up cards with Narset + Dovin on the board. 😄 1:11:23 That was a phenomenally heads-up play from the opponent.
Deck should have pentad prism. It ramps and it a continuous source of excess mana when proliferating. I started drafting something similar but it was more like saph medallion with pentad prison to essentially chain through poison cantrips for zero mana effectively.
I feel like the Gauntlet is playing a similar role here to Displacer Kitten in other decks -- it just constantly accrues value with everything you're already doing as a control deck, as long as you have at least one other permanent with an etb effect or counters. Maybe I'm dreaming, but I could see it end up being better than Kitten. If nothing else, it costs {1} less and dies to less removal. I'd like to mess around with this myself, I bet it would be fun with Level Up creatures!
As an Arena player who has been messing around with UB creatureless poison in Standard for far too long, I am *so* hyped to see this! I wrote off Ichormoon Gauntlet as a win-more card but this really shows off what it can do! Thank you! Do you have any thoughts about a Pioneer version of this, in either UW or UB?
this and Minotaur Standstill are my two favorite decks you've ever played. fun, unique, outside-the-box decks that upset the natural order (no pun intended) of legacy are my FAVORITE! this has made my week, thank you (: love it when good cards that aren't mainstream or are niche powerful get a high-quality showcase in one of your vids. Dovin all the way! Prologue all the way! Augury all the way!
