INFJ vs INTP - Which one are you? 

I think INTP can use it better than INFJ-in faking it because Ti helps find the best way to fake it-and then with a real genuine Fe expression because if you found something finally worthy of your Fe then you will do it as awesomely as you do anything you love to do. Plus since its your 4th slot, appeasing it is like candy:) Any man is fortunate and lucky if they ever get the chance to have an INTP female Fe them up.

@@ReverendElation Thank you, I'm glad somebody appreciates us. Are you another INTP because I'd like to know which personality type actually appreciates us. I am always much happier when isolated.

@@ReverendElation it's easy for me to fake bcs I have this blank face...whether I tell the truth or lie

It's something I've seen play out in practice too. INTPs can often be quite charming (in a quirky way) and even socially smooth. It just gets more complicated when they're torn between speaking their mind about something they disagree with and maintaining that sense of social harmony. As is usually the case with cognitive functions, they're more about preferences. Those preferences are most evident when choosing between opposing options ~ Nathan

​@@lovewhoi am intp and ur right intps can be quite smooth socially speaking on my behalf but it is a thing I think we r capable of but try to avoid as much as possible

That’s a good point. I think INFJs look laid back on the surface but underneath their minds are always ticking over, sometimes incessantly ~ Nathan

I concur this. They said I look calm but I'm actually freaking out inside. :')

Ya know I was pretty confident I was an intp, but the infjs in the comments have been very relatable. What you talked about I label as silent panic or calm panic, tho idk i May be wrong

exactly the same; looks laid back but going through extraordinary preparation and internal hell

That "diplomatic autopilot" notion is perfectly applicable to INFJs. I totally agree that INTPs also dislike conflict, it's just that, like you say, they aren't as natural when it comes to assessing the vibe of other people and how they're feeling ~ Nathan

Perfectly described! - INTP

To me it's never about winning or losing but always learning. That's why I prefer exchanges over debates. If I learn, I win.

Nathan is authentic and knowledgeable

wow comparing them is an insult to Nathan

He's not an INTP.

Love this example. It's interesting to see what happens in those moments where something needs to be organised. Even if a type isn't naturally the most organised, as long as they're more organised than the other people in the situation, it's likely they'll be the ones who step up and get it done ~ Nathan

It's a bit of a problem when you're an INFJ with ADHD.

This is really interesting. I do love hearing from real life examples of the types. What you’ve described about your dynamic between you and your friend makes a great deal of sense to me! ~ Nathan

Hahaha..you’ll have to seek us out…we’re not exactly social butterflies 🤓 But you no doubt have the skill set to systematically find us!

@@pohkeee Challenge accepted… 🤔

Totally agree regarding the contingency plans. In case you're curious and haven't heard of it yet, that way of classifying the types (IxxJ, ExxJ, IxxP and ExxP) comes from the Objective Personality typing system. I'm like a magpie who just steals anything I think works from other systems and that part really does make sense in my view ~ Nathan

@@lovewho I will look this up, it sounds very interesting. And the magpie routine works for you, keep at it! 😉

Actually, as an INTP, I am also constantly using Ne to predict the future and contingency plans not to get caught off guard. In mbti sense is mostly because of the perfectionism on Ti mixed with the security need of Si. So I don''t think this is a good point to make the distinction. I think this is more a characteristic that defines if you're an enneagram 5, than either INFJ or INTP.

yes, that was a good example

Love that example! ~ Nathan

Thats total bs. Frank James is an infp posing as infj. He doesn't know what he is talking about

He's not gonna tell you his thought-process - because he doesn't want to reveal his Type.

And I definitely fall into the latter camp, which gives me some confidence I'm not mistyped as an INxP. If the INFJ in question has a good relationship with Se, yeah they can be almost ISTP-like and be very improvisational and smooth. Whereas for me when something suddenly changes my mind can bog down considering all the possible courses of action and causes for whatever occurred.

@@FodSoul As another INTP, I totally relate. I'm indecisive because I'm trying to consider every alternative and weigh all the pros/cons before I take the jump and make my choice. To make a decision, I need to spend time pondering, considering, and crafting ideal scenarios and several backup plans. However, once I make my choice, I don't ever see it as "locking my answer in" because I'm willing to utilize/test out Plan B, C, D, etc. if needed.

This is pretty much exactly how was trying to explain how my intp mind hates changing something once I've decided on it. Up until then, gleeful chaos.

​@@FodSoulSeconded, I similarly have several plans in mind before making a decision, and once a decision has been made, the smallest change in circumstances or early signs that Plan A is heading for the rocks can make me switch to Plan B, or even make a completely new plan on the spot. I only stick to imperfect decisions when I perceive a risk in not doing so.

It takes INTPs longer to get things done

sentimental, poetic, with a random sense of humour and some 'nerdy fixation on something --- totally the INTP I know (and I love those 'nerdy' interests, too).

Love that description. Also yes, hibernation is a necessary ingredient to the INTP life recipe ~ Nathan

People have been asking for a video about this one for a while. Over time I became surprised at how requested it was. It didn't strike me as the most obvious mistype, but eventually it made more sense. Glad you enjoyed the video! ~ Nathan

That branching analogy actually appears in another video of mine that's totally focussed on comparing Ne and Ni. Feel free to check that one out if you haven't already! ~ Nathan

Thank you, I will 😉 ~ Ne dom.

I love the idea of the INTP being a logical framework builder, and an INFJ being a framework creator of the more ethically-orientated. It’s why both make such great advisors but in slightly different ways.

Love it! It’s always great when these videos can help people narrow down and confirm their type. The fact that you describe it as “like breathing” really does make INFJ seem fitting for you ~ Nathan

As a solid INTP, I am now referring to myself exclusively as “loose flappy strings”

​​@@twoscoopz4944Imagine 2 intps of similar interests meeting. As they explore their thoughts, their loose strings are drawn together, winding and binding, creating something more that the sum of the parts. They turn to eachother and say "I see you" 😳 ....damn those intps and their loose, sexy strings. Imagine 2 Cousin Its from the Addams Family making sweet, sweet love.

Yeah but don’t most people do that? Try and find an optimal outcome from looking at all ideas and narrow things down? Man i rlly thought I was an intp but now I’m completely questioning myself

​@@jaylynn0x048An introspective intp is basically a kitten with a ball of strings. We crave internal harmony through logic and constantly challenging our own ideas until we can feel sure of something. At least that's my view on it.

This is great to hear! I'm attracted to certain colours, vibes and fonts. When I find a few I like then I'm more than happy to keep reusing those. I just looked at your channel as well. It's awesome. I like the energy of your editing style a great deal as well as the content of what you're saying of course ~ Nathan

I'm about 90% introverted so I see you. I don't fit into the standard work environment either, and in the name of diversity it's about time there was an allocated corner for INTPs (just kidding).

@@louisejoel Ha. Yes. Why not? Everyone else gets a turn!

@@marcusnz232 Tech companies don't like to hire introverts (unless they are geniuses) as they like outspoken people to tout the company line in public and have tons of social media contacts to advertise to

@@louisejoel That must be why I don’t have a job in that sphere!

It makes sense that there'd be lots of overlap both between INTJs and INFJs as well as INTJs and INTPs. It's funny because I don't often talk about the J vs P distinction but yes I agree, the desire for certainty and closure is definitely a J thing ~ Nathan

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actually, a good hypothesis/theory SHOULD (caps for emphasis) be falsifiable because only then can it actually be "proven" right. Thus, in your context "falsifiable spiritual things" can mean either 1) "spiritual things," as you call them, are, in fact, something that can be discussed/proven as a theory or a hypothesis at the very least; 2) your phrase is an oxymoron because whatever you call "spiritual things" cannot be tested in strictly scientifically, yet, if you refer to them as "falsifiable," then there should be a way to prove them if only by logical reasoning. But generally, people who use words like "conspiracy" and "spiritual things" in a condescending tone are the ones who already have quite a bit of unwarranted generalizations and assumptions with an implied preponderance for the officially acknowledged "things," and hence could benefit from working on their Ti (if it's in their stack).

@@zzc8505 thanks for your comment!! lemme guess, Te user? 1) Falsifiable means able to be proven false- not proven true. And I didn’t want to say specifically what I meant out of respect to others but I was referring to astrology specifically, not spiritual things generally. Though there are many spiritual and philosophical things that can be logically proven false-and there are some that cannot be logically proven true or false one way or the other. 2) With Fi’s habit of making incorrect “tone” judgments, I would guess you’re intj, but a few different types can attach emotion where none was given. In fact, conspiracy and spiritual things were not condescending, and if you asked or showed either of them my posts you would see they agreed. The issue is, Ti usually waits until it understands to judge something-no need to react on partial information-so an idea called “conspiracy” is not positive or negative-people do conspire, and people make things up, and people can be confused. So, when intuitive thinkers with Ti enjoy conspiracy, it is usually in figuring them out and enjoying the process-not negative at all. And i touched on why infj might enjoy a discovery process like certain spiritual things-but ive found that often discussion of the deepest things to them is like forcing your way into their inner circle-you don’t have a shot, unless you’re already there. 3) Careful about using the thesaurus with Te-you will choose words that seem emotionally heavy (like preponderance) without using it correctly. (You need strong Ti for the process to happen naturally, but can be learned and strengthened like any cognitive function.) It doesn’t mean the same as superiority exactly, and being specific implies nothing. I was being explicit-stating it clearly-and those who aren’t afraid of objective truth appreciate and respect that. And, avoiding logically fallacious discussion, the Ti user would seek to understand what was meant and not attempt an attack based on someone’s “implied” thing or a “vibe or mood” of it, or the way something was delivered. Thats Fi Te stuff, and its why bold users of such will respond to clear crushings like this with either a polite joke and backing away or a response ignoring their improper usages of words and misunderstandings and attempting another personal diss. And if the latter, begins a deliciously fun series of mic drops that certain NeTi users just can’t pass up. You do better by going for the honey, if you want to stir up the nest, dude. 4) Ti doesn’t make unwarranted generalizations and assumptions-thats how Ti works-but if you want to know how projection works, your post displays it. And that too is explained by the cog stack. You being a Te user will not excel in Ti, using it only in your shadow, so you associate it with your familiarity of it-and Te which allows for subjectivity makes you think that anyone speaking with Ti is doing what you do: using words wrong or putting emotion and opinion in, and trying to force a point. And your Fi is naturally skeptical of Fe, because your familiarity is using it in your shadow, and you can’t comprehend someone stating ideas without having their personal feelings and opinions involved. Again, Fe and Ti do this normally, and to us its weird and unhelpful when emotion or opinion are forced into understanding of something that has no emotional implications within itself. So, I imagine these sort of discussions come up with you a lot, where you come out strong but are proven to have made mistakes because you assumed things or thought you found implications. But, Fe and Ti together come off that way to FiTe (its why they fight-they FiTe) because these important opposing functions express and receive info differently-and only recognize the others actions from their own shadow experiences. The solution to the war between FiTe and FeTi? Niceness and harmony and patience in understanding, asking to learn, then making judgments. Things that FiTe find very hard. 🤪

@@ReverendElation tbh, this comment of yours is as convoluted and riddled with contradictions/untested assumptions and prejudices as the original post. And I have neither time nor desire to tease it all out. You may benefit from disciplining your Ti to tighten up your logical reasoning and prevent your preconceived notions/biases from affecting your conclusions so conspicuously. Btw, I don't need a "thesaurus" lol - I am in a research field and I know what "falsifiable" means in regard to theories/hypothesis, as well as some other things you mentioned. (If there is a possibility that something is false, there is a possibility that something can be true -- that's how "falsifiability" works in theories/hypothesis, e.g., you work through possible objections thereby strengthening your theory/hypothesis). Nice try at sarcasm, but you missed it. And I'll just add that I don't even have a Te (and if you thought I was a Te user, it just further suggests that you really need to work on your Ti if you have one).

@@zzc8505 Right, don’t address the claims, double down, (didn’t look up falsifiable? of course the ability to prove things wrong is helpful in finding out what works-but something that can be proven right is its antonym verifiable. But who cares about semantics? Its about the point.) And again, you know which types think “tbh” etc add to their argument? Ill let you guess. And when you mature and put more stock in your ideas than choosing big words, you’ll be more productive and influential. (And it will keep you focused enough to stay on topic) Also, when you guess wrong, and its not due to a Te misunderstanding, (and we all have all of them) then that shows something even worse than just type differences. So, uh, 😂😂😂🤡 and especially 😉.

Glad you're enjoying them! ~ Nathan

We might be easy to get along with but we often secretly judge people. There's so much going on beneath the surface with us that people will never become aware of.

@@Dionyzos Yeah, that's true, judgment is not necessarily always negative, I'd say we analyse people and upon that analysis we may judge them negatively or positively. As long as we don't hurt others and ourselves with these negative judgments, it's just our judgment / opinion. The same as someone's judgment / opinion is only theirs. But if our we or other people can change something or feel empowered because of our judgment, it's worth sharing it in a respectful manner. Generally people don't like unsolicited advice so it's best to do it with people we know better and not too often.

The Mystique is less about the Rarest Type ― it's more about it being the most Intuitive Type. Which is true.

Always cool to hear the things in the video line up with people's real life experiences! ~ Nathan

the golden pair!!!!!

A good way I like to view nise especially as first and fourth slot, se works unconsciously in the fourth slot, it gathers information from everywhere even places it might not have realized. It looks for a common pattern of logic and reference points to view the situation as a whole. Kind of like if you know a statue you can picture each side of it and how each contributes to the total. An example from everyday life is this: My mom was like hey what’s this white powder on top of the fridge. I look up and see what she’s talking about. That is a weird spot to have powder. My brain immediately says “pancake mix”. Mom asks how I knew that cus I was right” and I just trace back my thoughts and think oh well there are cabinets right about the fridge and we keep mixing bowls up there and even though the pancake mix is in the lazy Susan next to the sink and I remembered making pancakes recently. I can even walk into rooms and know what’s happened the the past 5 min, gotten medical diagnoses correct for myself. Too bad fourth slot se is hard ime to do things that we aren’t naturally better at (I loved Chem and bio but-failed calc 1 five times. And like you said fourth slot se also needs a solid plan. The moment my plan fell out the window I just freaked out and tried to regain footing 😅 Dang I wrote a lot 😂but now that I’m reading it back maybe ni first and se fourth is similar to chatgpt, grabbing relevant information based on subsets of how information is summarized on a good chunk of sites and what words usually follow what!

That's a good point about Ni being difficult to describe even for Ni users. It's probably why Ni is seen as mysterious. INTJs and INFJs are seen that way by extension too ~ Nathan

I think it's so difficult to explain because there are too many connections made from many real-life data that create a cohesive impression. And it can constantly be reinforced by any real-life interaction to the point where you can't keep track of life itself. It's about life observation and recurrent patterns. Also, it can even be about non-tangible things like subtext. Sometimes they can remember precise examples but they've seen the same example like 10 times already so it's not to take as one case but more generally. So it's very hard to communicate to people who don't pay attention a lot to their society or their environment at a general level. It probably explains why there is so much mystery around it indeed. But it's actually not so mysterious. Everyone actually uses it daily from the moment where they say an idea won't work without needing to think about precise logical reasons because their life experience already gives them the intuition an idea is too unpractical and will most likely fail for example. I actually found an excellent video I recommand to everyone about Ni which is called: "How Introverted Intuition Actually Works", by the channel Think More Deeply and it explains things very clearly with diagrams.

@@kyurei4478 couldn’t agree more, it’s a background process to a degree, only really “utilized” when it’s balanced with seti. Mbti is so useful if you can understand the way it works as a whole. And the functions can be confusing since people put the wrong image of what a type is or what a function is, hell most people don’t even look at what slot affects what functions and how double observers are different from double deciders.

@@lovewho honestly good point there, when one can’t bring to words what they need to describe it can be like going into a doctors appointment without the correct words and terms to describe what pain you’re having or what you’ve tried. Sometimes even just being in pain can make it hard to connect with your words to the doctor. Or maybe that’s just how I view it😅

I think this mistype is far more common than people realise. Hopefully this brought you some clarity or confirmation! ~ Nathan

This is an interesting question. My gut reaction is that yes, you might be able to tell certain things about someone's type from their approach to writing. However, when I'm thinking back to what people have said it's not an obvious correlation. For example, it's kind of a running joke that INTPs take ages to leave a comment and will write and rewrite it over and over. I imagine the same is true for lots of J types as well because they want to structure what they're saying in a really clear way ~ Nathan

That's a good point - they can definitely be controlled with effort. People should aim to do that as much as possible otherwise we're too beholden to them ~ Nathan

This is an excellent and often overlooked point. I'm gradually working on a video about how to type yourself where I just muse on the best approach to it. I will include a point about this in there too since it's an important factor! ~ Nathan

I’m very glad to hear this! ~ Nathan

i heard that can happen. i think it means you expand your way of thinking becaus MBTI is how you prefer to think or how your cognitive function. my INFJ sister used to be struggling to set boundaries because her Fe, but she's more logical now. probably because the way i think as INTP also influence her

I made a video recently called "how to figure out your personality type". I think there might be some useful things in there for you when it comes to blurring the lines between different types or simply moving beyond these categorisations ~ Nathan

@@lovewho Just watched it, and yes that is very aplicable to my situation. The “fake it ‘till you find it” was the main way that I found my type. 🥲

Same here! Learning to be more true to ourselves

Coming back to this I’d like to add that now I feel that this is not restricted to the MBTI tests but in general when taking a test, typing someone, etc.

I really disagree lmao. What your saying applies maybe to INTP 5w6, they can appear a bit ISTJ like. But INTP 5w4 are NOTHING like ISTJ, more like INFJ imo. From an INTP 5w4 by the way, I can't really get along with ISTJs for a long time. Cutting class, being lazy, not following rules, laid back, not practical whatsoever, delving into unconscious and abstract ruminations 24/7 - idk how different to ISTJ you could get.

I doubt it is possible to have data of any degree of accuracy worth paying attention to. Too many self-ID and self-report, esp. in the current online environment, so that alone will already skew the results significantly. The more accurate info could be obtained from the official certified MBTI tests, but I doubt that the percentage of the population that gets tested like that is significant/large enough to speak of any kind of type distribution tendencies.

I've pondered the ratios in my mind, and the state of the world makes sense.

Yup, and to add to it INTPs can also be e9, including 9w1, which in addition to making them seem more INFx-ish will give them a little more routiney-ness and rigidity from the 1 wing (believe I may be one myself)

True. I got a practically even score between 1w9 and 9w1 even if it was a bit in favor of 1w9 so I'm usually conflicted between taking action or going with the flow and generally speaking INFJs are probably the least susceptible to make decisions among the J types because of the Fe+Ti combo which creates this similarity with the INFP type for example. You might easily confuse an INFJ with a "P" type most of the time to be honest.

I've been meaning to do it for a while but just never got around to it. Hopefully it was helpful! ~ Nathan

@@lovewho Yes it was! I'm now fairly certain that im an infj although i still do share many traits with the intp

No one has ever called it the witch function. Until now.

@@Black.Sabbath is it not? Whatever the name for the sixth function

@@JackAka-le8cz😅 It’s called “critical parent” and that sounds suitable enough for what you explained above

@@rayanbahsoun thank you for that. I remembered last week that it was the critic (while I was just going about my life) and I tried to squeeze it out of me brain how I could have known it as the 'witch function'. How wicked!😅

I think you're most likely still an INTP because another big difference is Ni users are never bored and always have the different things they need to do in mind to accomplish a bigger objective. They can create stories and theories from everything they notice in their environment so it keeps them entertained. They don't feel a need to search for sensory stimulation, but rather intellectual stimulation. That's why Ni users aren't as much concerned with being funny or entertaining for example, while it seems to be a major concern for Ne users. Ni users will seek order to feel at peace instead.

@@kyurei4478 ok that makes sense thank you

@@leonfirth-jt5eu You're welcome!

I definitely have a bit of anxiety about the future so I began to doubt my main type. Any environment that involves communicating with people in person requires a lot of planning to avoid

Thank you! Hope you enjoyed the video. Feel free to check out some of the other videos on the channel if you haven’t already! ~ Nathan

This is interesting. I wonder if based on this you feel like you come across as an unusual INFJ compared to other people of this type? ~ Nathan

I personally can only have an "ISTP mode" when having discussions where a lot Ti is being used. What I value in ISTPs most is their logic. Otherwise than that, we're totally different types and we don't really connect on other levels than the logical one.

@@PriHL What about on an Se level, with practical application and physical interaction? Surely Ti scenarios happen a lot, especially in typically male nerdy scenarios?

@@johnknight9150 This is a possibility for some people but the ISTP's Se is generally better than the INFJ's. Not necessarily in the male and nerdy scenarios but in daily interactions which can highlight both types' use of Ti like in conversations or coming to some conclusions about different things.

@@PriHL Oh, absolutely. When I talk about INFJs having an "ISTP mode", or INTJs having an "ISFP mode", I'm talking about more of an emulation, an imitation, or a mistaken first impression. Some days I could swear I'm really an ISFP, and all that silly INTJ nerdy stuff can all go hang. But it would probably only be a week maximum after I joined someone's hippy guru cult in the middle of the desert that I would start troubleshooting all the computers and re-designing the networks! ;-)

@@johnknight9150 Yeah, that's what this emulation can look to the outside world and at times even to ourselves. But we know it is only an emulation and the true self is very different from that.

Brilliantly put, to a tee! This is why INTPs should not get drunk or they will lose the ability to refrain from objecting.

ISTJ and ISTP are definitely the most overlooked (From an INTP)

Only an INTP view after all 😌.

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Feels like a pretty realistic conversation between infj and intp/entp. Infjs know when they won though cause they can easily read between the lines and intps/entps become biased like in this situation :P. They would just like intps/entps could be less childish and recognize it but it just seems to be a Ne trait ah ah! In the end, the most important for infjs is that the message is at least implicitly understood.

Oh and the best path thing goes so far as making me want to control and organize everything as else I fell paralized not knowing what I should do

The first part of your comment would say that you are an intp but the second part of being controlling and outcome focused seems infj esk. But if I had to say, you are mostly probably an intp with analysis paralysis.

Well said ~ Nathan

@@lovewho thanks, I never thought of them looking similar until ur video, but I get it now.

It sounds like you have facts confused with logic. INTPs don't necessarily stick to facts, we stick to logic. We might come up with logical conclusions that aren't factually proven and often feel restricted by facts. That's true for all Intuition users though, Ti just takes it to an extreme level. I have an ESTJ or ISTJ friend that isn't comfortable discussing theories even if they're logically sound. Talking with him about MBTI for example became impossible after he learned that it's scientifically controversial.

@@Dionyzos Well put. Very good analysis. I just wish personality types were taken more seriously. I think it could help a lot with careers, peers and relationships...

How about Korean view INTP, INFJ and ISTJ?

People need to get to the real understanding of type rather than label others with superficial stereotypes. This literally happens everywhere but I know that MBTI is super popular in Korea, not in every country unfortunately. But in Korea I could at least hold a conversation about it, be it a stupid or a wise one.