Floyd and Ingo were my childhood's idols. I wished that Ingo would beat Floyd, but I've to admit that Floyd came out as a slightly better boxer than Ingo over their 3 years trilogy.
@@TheNeorch Yes unfortunately Ingo wasn't too nice to Floyd in interviews after his win. but it also had to do with his lack of linguistic skills. At that time he didn't speak so good English and therefore often used wrong words in wrong contexts.
Boxing was not big in Sweden ,Ingemar was a common blue collar worker ,worked in the harbour laying stones. As a Swede i met him in Gothenburg many times , I shook his hand and everytime , i was impressed by the grip and size of his fist.......Not a schooled fighter but damn he could punch still , rumours in Sweden about his natural Power. Pattersson clearly the better boxer though......they stayed friends until father time said no more ,Icon in Sweden
I am actually jealous. I wish I could have met him. I had the pleasure to briefly speak to him through his son on the phone before he died but I would have loved to have met my great uncle in person.
@Floyd PattersonII Your father was a great fighter, and a great man. Hard in the ring, but always seemed to be truly nice outside of it. The secound time these guys meet is my favourite fights of his.
When Patterson died, he didn't get any flowers from the Black community...no acknowledgment. He was a champion and a gentleman...I heard that many Blacks thought he was an Uncle Tom...how sad and how unfair. I loved Patterson and thought he was a truly gifted boxer and a great human being.
Floyd did not protest against the Vietnam war and that's why Ali called him an Uncle Tom. Ali also thought that there should be a black muslim community in the USA as opposite of the white christian community. Ali was in the hands of Malcom X, who was a militant islamist. Floyd stayed loyal to his multicultural America, Ali did not.
I was a 14 year old kid in Minneapolis and listened to this fight on the radio. So exciting; never forget it. It was a shocker and complete surprise!!😮
Jut want to add how cool it is that all these old gems are now preserved for posterity on the internet. Just awesome 37k have been here since 2012... One of history's thrillers! :)
That's how boxing has changed over the past 56 years. Back in 1959 a referee would have been criticized for stopping a bout too early where the champion lost his title.
i know people that listened to this over the Philips transmitter.This year Swedens population totaled 7.400000 And the US population totaled roughly 180.000000. THAT was something to be proud of!!!
I’ve sent a letter to Floyd’s younger brother Raymond today, where I told him about my admiration of both Floyd and Ingemar describing them as two of the last true gentlemen in and outside of the ring, before Mohammad Ali started the trend of insulting his opponents before a big fight and being cocky. He lives in Torslanda outside of Gothenburg and has worked with my maternal grandfather.
I knew RAYMOND he was both a fritidsgårds ledare n a bouncer in fritidsgård ( sideline maybe) at the same time i saw him fights against rocker ( raggare ) during a friday disco nights in tuve in the 70s 😂😂😂 he was a great entertainer person . He always tell us youngster to do the right thing . I miss this man . I wonder does he still alive ?
Yah know Joe Louis is only one inch shorter than Muhammad Ali and only 10 pounds lighter. Enough with the “small boxer” crap. Liston beat Patterson because he was the overall better fighter and used his advantages more intelligently, not simply because he was bigger!
@@jameslough6329 Yeah Max Baer and Jess Willard were big boys too, but like Joe Lewis they were from another era. Most of the "heavyweight" champions in the 50's were like these two fighters, under 200 pounds. Yes Liston was talented, he also weighed in over 200 pounds, and he waisted Patterson twice. A good big fighter beats a good small fighter most any day.
@@bradpotter6401 Except that it’s not that simple because both Joe Louis and Mike Tyson knocked out quality opponents far heavier than they were. Roberto Duran also knocked down and beat Iran Barkley who was much larger than Duran and a technically gifted boxer. Smaller fighters can compensate for their size by being more explosive and having a better understanding of boxing.
@@jameslough6329 And how do you think a 210 pound Tyson would have done against those 190 pound heavyweight champions of the 50's? How about Tyson in his prime against a Roy Jones or Floyd Mayweather in their prime. A good big man is better then a good smaller man, all other things being equal. My initial comment just meant that the 50's was a time of smaller heavyweight champions.
Floyd had no chin, but great heart! He kept getting up. The only time he really looked loke he quit was with Liston, who he was petrified of. I don't blame him. But he (Patterson) had class, and guts. And was a fine champ!
Not to pile on, but come on Goldstein. As was mentioned, Patterson was clearly out of it after the first right and certainly confused as he tried to amble back to his corner. I personally believe Floyd either thought the round and or fight was over. Ingemar didn't do anything malicious with that second knockdown, as he took the cue from Goldstein who gave the Ok. Everything after that is mute.
Hard to tell how he’d do he relied on range which would be difficult against the giants of today but he was a lot faster and craftier than most of them and with that power he might do just as well as usyk 😊😊
Ruby Goldstein was also the referee who did not stop the Griffith / Paret death match until it was too late. Paret ended up dead and Patterson ended up punchy. I'm a great admirer of Patterson
@@IAWIA5 When I was 15 I read Floyd's biography Victory Over Myself. I always admired him. He arguably had quicker hands than Ali whom I also admired and could knock you out with one punch.
They would have stopped it after the first knock-down today. Floyd was clearly out of it. Back then, you could be out on your feet and they would let your opponent bash your brains out before you woke up from the first knock-down. Both were great guys, and became life-long friends.
*I wonder how many people are watching this after Joshua and Ruiz? So many similarities; and I do hope Joshua comes back like Patterson did in the rematch - though not being the constant aggressor ~*
Brutal. After the second knockdown, the blood clots and the cerebral damage took over, and Patterson was an injured warrior. He never recovered. Doctor George Whitehead
Floyd had beaten guys bigger than Johansson. He fought Brian London the fight before this one and London was about the same height as Johansson but over 200 pounds. And Floyd was the same weight in that fight as this one. Johansson was a little better than London but not by much, as a matter of fact London almost knocked Johansson out when they did fight a few years later. Johansson was literally saved by the bell and went on to win a points decision. I dunno I always thought Floyd seemed a little off in this fight.
I was 16 yrs old at the time and listened to this fight on the radio, and was disapponted Floyd lost. Back then most TV fights were sponsored by Gillete Razor co. I remember the little Parrot on the commercials too! good old days. ECF
Third fight was the best one. First fight, Patterson took Ingo lightly. Second fight, Ingo didn't train much. Third fight they had learned to respect each other and both prepared well. Two good men. Both became friends and both died with dementia unfortunately.
Floyd was really a light heavyweight, Today, this fight would have been stopped immediately after the second knockdown, Floyd was already defenseless. Note: he couldn't even find the neutral corner, and Ingo was perfectly within his rights to nail him. I met Floyd on the streets on New York when I was a kid, a really sweet guy. He died of Alzheimer's, and it's easy to see why. Boxers had no protection then. 2 years later, Benny(Kid) Parrett, was killed in the same ring by Emile Griffith. No 3 knockdown rules in those days. RIP Floyd, you got your revenge in the 2nd fight.
well floyd werent defensless and won the second fight against ingemar/a random Swede,but a funny thing is that i have seen both of them run a Swedish charity marathon in a village with 8000 inhabitants!
@@oljefri And I ran a maraton they both were in.. except i beat them with an hour and a half.. but I was almost 20 years younger and half of Ingo's weight then.. so per kilo they probably beat me.
This fight should have been stopped when Floyd turned towards his corner after the first knockdown. The "walk to me" rule was not in effect in those days.
Yes it was a rabbit punch, but Floyd turned his back on Ingemar so he either could have stopped throwing any punches waiting for Floyd to come to his senses or he could do what he did. Floyd himself has later said that he in a similar situation would've chosen alternative 1 and I believe he would.
Its crazy how few right hands Ingemar threw in the early stages. It would have been nice if Floyd could have closed the distance and worked the body a bit, stay close and take away the right
The peek-aboo style offers fairly good defence against everything other than a straight right, a right or left uppercut... Strange it didn't catch on more.
Came here after reading Mike Tysons:"Irom Ambition;My Days With Cus D'Amato"where Floyd Pattersons career is talked about often,including his fight with"Ingo"!! So,I had to actually SEE the fight!! "Iron Ambition is an EXCELLENT book centering on D'Amato discovering Tyson in a boys correctional facility,after Mike started boxing this guy named Bobby Stewart who'd visit the facility,and after seeing Tyson potential as a boxer ,along with the fact at age 13 he benched 250 pounds for 8 reps,asked Tyson would he be willing to visit an old trainer-in-exile named Cus D'Amato to see if Cus would"work"with him to mold him into a genuine boxer!! The rest is history!! The book also chronicles D'Amatos' fight against organized crime-influence in professional boxing!! A good part was when Tyson said Cus was so ready to fight anyone who'd crossed him that he often"threw punches in his SLEEP"!!
It is strange that Johannson completely outclassed Patterson in this fight but lost the following two. I agree with other comments regarding Goldstein's inept refereeing. Patterson was fortunate in that he kept going down before Johannson could follow up with a really sustained attack that could have caused him serious brain damage.
Cus could have stopped it too. It's not all on Goldstein. Everyone has bad days---he had two. The second one killed a guy. He froze in that fight. Emile went into that fight pissed off at Paret for calling him a maricon, a Spanish slur for gay. He also mocked Griffith's sing-song Caribbean accent. So he was merciless when Paret was tied up in the ropes, and Goldstein stood there half paralyzed. It took him 2 years to do another fight, and it was his last one.
Hey Duke, you don't wear a hat at a boxing match! but who's going to tell him to take it off? Patterson may have lost, but he sure was a tough competitor.
First knockdown ended the fight. Floyd is walking incoherently back to his corner. In essence, he quit. Goldstein should have noticed that his hands were down and he was walking away from Johansson.
+hrebec97ify he actually said in an interview that he didn't know he'd been down, he just saw the ref counting in front of him so we went to walk to the neutral corner. that's why he turned
Ruby Goldstein was known to give fighters the opportunity to recover even when they were obviously hurt, especially champions. Most other refs of that era did the same. Goldstein was the 3rd man in the ring when Emile Griffith hammered Benny Kid Paret to death -- a shocking display of misjudgment. I saw that fight on TV. If Goldstein had stopped it just 20 seconds earlier, Paret probably would have survived,
Both of these men fought in an era of classiness until "Cassius Clay" arrived mouthing off at everyone. Patterson was an absolute gentleman. Neither he nor Johansson could survive in the Heavyweight ranks today though. Patterson came back later on and knocked Johansson out. Johansson had a brief career in acting, then left the scene completely.
I think Johansons 2. Knock down was unsportsmanlike. He could have given Paterson the opportunity to recover. But I suppose this is how things often are in the “noble art of self defense “-like in most sports today, not very noble at all.
Referees during this era are notoriously bad, so finding a good one by today's standards is nearly impossible (i.e. Paret v. Griffin III, Johansson vs Machem)
Or Liston for that matter his philosophy was I don't put my Fighter in a situation he can't win. But Patterson didn't want to end his career that way so he took on Liston knowing the coming end
Encuentro que tanto el árbitro como Johanson estuvieron mal, el árbitro debió parar la pelea mucho antes y Johanson actuó como lo contrario a la caballerosidad y lo que debe ser un buen deportista. Tanto en la guerra como en el deporte, sobresalen los hombres de verdad, magnánimos como Julio César .
Sometimes fighters names become forever associated ali frazier Leonard n hearns Louis schmelling And clearly Patterson Johansson I think in the future fury and wilder will be seen in the same light
Although he would say his mentor did alot for him, Cus d'Amato ultimately did Patterson a disservice, imo. He brought him to the title too quick and then gave him too much protection. A champion should face the best there is not have matches made for him, else what does the title mean? Good fighters thrive when challenged. Patterson had gotten soft in his three years as champion, and it's d'Amato's fault.
MadMax382 d'amato always went by the belief I never put my father in a situation I feel he can't win hence why he had Patterson avoid Liston for a while knowing the potential results but Patterson didn't want to end his legacy like that so had to leave d'amato and accept his fate
Goldstein was a total inept and Patterson's corner even more. After the 1st knock down you cud see he cud hardly walk. Then Ingo hit him again. Referee shud not have allowed that 2d knock down b/c then Floyd cudn't defend himself! I'll say this for Patterson: he showed a lot of courage and fought back like a lion, fighting back with the heart b/c the body was not there anymore.
How did he keep getting up? Never been down before, should have stayed down after the fourth knockdown. What's the point? Johansson beat him up good and proper. Good fight.
