Insane Porsche Charging Performance! New Taycan Facelift Charging Test & Comparison 

Still more than double the average length of a RU-vid video.

Yeah he talks wayyy too much about nothing

Is the Signet Surge finally fixed at EA?? Edit: Kyle said it is!! Would love to see a Lucid cannonball again too with this in mind. But I think the Taycan will definitely beat it now.

@@fiehlsport For the new Taycan, yes.

Was thinking the same thing

Yes please!

Waiting to put gas in the car is a very rare occurrence. Don’t sugarcoat EV charging taking too long. Be objective. The charging time will get much better over time. By the way I’m a 2023 Tesla owner, so don’t think I’m an EV hater.

@@rcole3838 don’t sugarcoat filling up with gas. There is ALWAYS a line at Costco. Just the fact that there is a line constantly indicates that it isn’t a rare occurrence. Also I didn’t even mention the fact that it took me 20 minutes of driving to get to and from the gas station instead of just charging at home. Filling up with gas is EXTREMELY time consuming when compared to charging at home or even charging on the road for that matter.

Drive 20 minutes then wait in line 10 minutes to save $5? Sounds like something my parents would do.

@@LearningFast have you thought about filling up at literally any other gas station instead of waiting at costco for 15+ minutes? This is a costco issue not a gas filling up issue. Are the few $ in savings worth waiting 15+ minutes in line every time to you? 20 cents a gallon less is only $2 savings for 10 gallons. For me, that time wasted was not worth it, plus you need a costco membership to use it and plus only VISA credit cards allowed. I'm an EV fan but cmon filling up with gas is not "EXTREMELY time consuming" vs charging on the road

@@jrchurchman13 my whole point is that waiting for 15 minutes in any line isn’t that bad if you are accustomed to it. I needed to go to Costco for other things so waiting those extra minutes just didn’t bother me that much. Just like waiting 15 minutes to charge on a road trip doesn’t bother me because I go to the bathroom and stretch my legs. The problem is that ICEaholics make it sound like waiting to charge is this terribly inconvenient thing. It isn’t as bad as they make it sound just like waiting at Costco isn’t as bad as it sounds.

no, they will caught up in 2025, the zeekr007 is in production now in china: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2dW2tMlypB8.html

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⁠@@marcusbiller867this new taycan version has by far the fastest charging, beats the plaid by 18 seconds on the nurb and only 2 seconds slower than a 2000hp Rimac and an excellent range from what we can see on real range test on RU-vid So yeah Porsche changed the game with this car

​@@CLSTRN911 wow, a 5% performance advantage. A Porsche should dust a Tesla, especially at double the price.

@@mtnman1984 lol having 18s difference between cars with similar power and one car on non road legal tires is almost unheard of on the nurb 🤣🤣 the taycan is closer to the rimac nevera than the plaid Double the price because double the quality, double the chassis and braking performance Stop with excuses

Ims bearing enters chat.

Maybe this new version of the Taycan won't have such bad depreciation. A 35% to 40% 5 year residual value is really bad. I assume these will come with NACS charge ports too, which should help.

If only Taycan was a bit quieter, it is one of those cars I'd love to get but I know i'm gonna get tired of the road noise.

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Well, we still have to wait and see after Tesla allows it to charge on 800v, 350kw chargers. It's a bummer they didn't allow it from the start.

Voltage do be like that... I wonder if this continual race for faster and faster charging will land us towards 2000VDC battery packs?

​​​​​​@@dtemp132 Only for trucks. 1000V and maybe 600A = 600kW seems to be the maximum for cars for multiple years to come. If you take these numbers and aim for a 5C charge rate it would mean a 120kWh total capacity pack could charge with 600kW. 5C technically means 0-100% in 12 minutes, but due to heat and resistance in reality it translates to 10-80% in 12 minutes. The Zeekr 007 has a 4.7C charge rate with a 84kWh total capacity LFP battery pack charging with 395kW max. It charges from 10-80% in 13.5 minutes. I see, and the industry does as well, deminishing marginal returns after 5C charge rates, even for LFP batteries. Customers do not feel the difference of a 1-2 minutes faster charging session (5.5 or 6C charge rates would only be 1-2minutes faster) while on the other hand the battery degradation shoots up, which customers do feel. And batteries beyond 120kWh aren't necessary with today's or even future efficiency (except for trucks). A 120kWh total capacity battery has like 110kWh net capacity. With an average consumption of 5mi/kWh you would have 550miles of range. With 5.5mi/kWh you will have 605miles of range (Mercedes-Benz claims 5.2mi/kWh WLTP consumptiom with the upcoming CLA already, so 5.5mi/kWh isn't even that crazy). That is Diesel car level of range. The key to future EVs isn't charging rates higher than 5C, but more efficiency! This tradeoffs between c-charge rates and battery degradation will remain until solid state batteries arrive. But not even first generatiom solid-state batteries will completely solve this. So for now 1000V and 600A = 600kW with a 5C charge rate will be quite the most we will see in EV cars.

@@dtemp132 In trucks, even pickup trucks, yes. Batteries are going to be very large energy density wise, yet lighter as technologies improve. Lithium-Sulfur batteries, for example, have 5x the energy density of NCA and yet weighs only a third of it. I think for cars or smaller 800v is more than enough.

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Sounds like Tesla put all their chips into scaling production of yesteryear technology.

@@web Tesla is limited by their own infrastructure. They have no incentive to update their existing cars or add new cooling systems to new cars to charge faster since their current chargers are not capable . Other manufacturers like porche are also limited by infrastructure but they are still making their cars capable for the future high seed chargers

The only drawback would be not being able to charge at 350kw on Tesla until v4 goes live. Also, I don't think any NACS to CCS adapter supports 350kw flow.

@@kennyb123 Not yet, anyway. Those will come soon enough.

In this car yes but there won’t be any doubt this will win. A race where we know the winner before starting is not fun for everyone else.

@@tomm5936 depends, if the EA stations are as reliable as they have been in previous tests, not so much

@@Mobile_Dom that’s true

Correct

Audi Q6 and A6 will be similar to the Macan 4 EV. But unlike the Macan 4, the Audis will come with RWD as well so I would assume the range is a bit better (if they have the same big battery pack). Audi Q6 should have up to 630-650km/390-400mi of WLTP range with the biggest battery and a 270kW charging power. Audi A6 has 700-725km/435-450mi of WLTP range with the biggest battery and a 270kW charging power. US EPA range will be a bit lower than that.

Because they have no idea what they are doing. Instead they push out marketing terms like crazy and assume we are idiots.

Thought they were supposed to take 100 kW?

I'd love to get 50kW with my e-Golf :P In +5C outside temps I do almost get to 40kW, but in -15C charged from 20 to 80% in almost 50minutes and peaked at 31kW. It slowly went up from 19kW at the start.

Very unlikely. there are lots of hardware changes involved (improved engines,...) Also they want to sell new cars you know ;)

In another test he hypermiled 450 miles on a full battery. so charging 5%-65% would give you around (0.6 * 450 = ) 270 hypermiles. Going 75-80 mph you should expect about 2/3rd of that number which is still a great 180 miles. That's 2:30 hours of driving and 12-14 minutes of charging which is probably matching normal human being preferences at this point.

NACS can't charge UpTo this fast owing to 400V nature..This speed could only be achieved in 800V systems.

@@user-fg2nr1qf9q NACS is 1000v

​​​​​@@keco185 There are no widespread 1000V NACS chargers for the next years. If you want to charge fast now, CCS is the way to go. CCS works great all around the world btw. The US has infrastructure issues

@@bullshitbingo2259 I don’t get rid of my car after 1-2 years. Also CCS1 is only in North America

@@user-fg2nr1qf9q Teslas Supercharger network doesn’t support 800v yet but NACS supports up to 1000v. All Electrify America needs to do is change the cable(which they said they will do) to support NACS. Virtually all manufacturers will move to NACS in 2025 so it will happen quick.

@@donovanlewis3053 that comparison works exactly better because it's a phone, some smartphone batteries have the same chemistry as some cars and because all the load is in one cell, suffering the worst abuse it sets a good benchmark and example for battery car cells. If the solely (sometimes 2) cell in the phone degrades really slowly do to fast charging than we can infer that information to others as well.

A phone doesn't have a cooling like the Taycan. Exactly NO cooling. So that is what destroys batteries in cell phones, together with everyday charging. (number of cycles) 3 years every day gives you 1000cycles already. In a car you will be at 300k miles with 1000 cycles from 0-100%

@@computercrack No,what distroy battery in phones is that they want to get every energy they can from battery,so on my phone at 100% charge cell is 4.35V (and i saw even on some phones 4.4V) and on my Xiaomi scooter it is 4.1V at 100% (i have basicly 0 degradation after 3 years) ,so that overcharging on phones degrades battery but they dont care becase they dont want you to have it for 10 years and its lighter that way

Tesla manual says charging to 90% is fine. And it says charging to 100% is fine if you start driving quickly after charging. So keeping the battery at 100% is what degrades it. Charging your phone to 100% at night will often keep charging it to 100% until you unplug, so that's bad. My Android will delay charging at night based on time set in the alarm, so it will only reach 100% just before I unplug it.

@@drfisheye Like i sad that is not true ,i cant post links here but there was big test off cells with charging them and disharging,some cells were charge to 4.0V some to 4.1V some to 4.2V and some to 4.3V ,and every charging 0.1V more degrade batter 100% more , so you will have same degradation if you charge battery 400 times to 4.3V ,800 times to 4.2v ,1500 times to 4.1V and 3000 times to 4.0v . Off course you want charge every time your car to 100% so you will not notice the difference 2 much and off course it also depends how long it stays on high charge but this test was just charge and discharge

First this is real. Porsche would never do stuff like that. Consumer cars will be exactly the same. second. No, this will have no effect. Batteries are killed by temperature and staying @100% long time (or compete discharge) The BMS prevents all that.

800v causes significantly less heat battery pack wise, so it's easier to keep cool, and therefore, the cells remain cooler. 400v Teslas hit 140F degrees much, much sooner than this (which is when they throttle down) and this Taycan never crossed 130F degrees. They're also working on cooling the cells from the inside out which will change everything.

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They haven't run that test yet. They only did a 50mph one and took them over 9 hours and 40 minutes to get all the way to down to 0% SoC.

EA had an email a couple weeks back when their new app update released saying they corrected “power irregularity” with an update to their dispensers. Hoping it’s true. They’ve tripped software breakers that required a dealer clearing codes twice on my Hummer EV.

Already watch it.

Batteries should be fine. Temperature management is the key to longevity and Porsche seems to know what they are doing here. Also the C charge rate itself isn't as crazy, it is just 3.2C (105kWh total capacity and 335kW max charging power). The battery of the Porsche Taycan should degrade way slower than the Zeekr 007 for example which pushes 4.7C through a 84kWh total capacity battery and with less temperature management capabilities. Western premium legacy manufacturers build cars to last.

800v causes significantly less heat battery pack wise, so it's easier to keep cool, and therefore, the cells remain cooler. 400v Teslas hit 140F degrees much, much sooner than this (which is when they throttle down) and this Taycan never crossed 130F degrees. They're also working on cooling the cells from the inside out which will change everything. There should be little degradation to these packs. Porsche is not about to risk it's reputation on this. Battery chemistries and technology keeps improving year after year. You can't compare batteries from 10 years ago (and especially not the battery management systems) to todays batteries and packs. And these technologies move down to lower end EV just as quick as newer ones come out in higher end ones.

Amprius in California has a cell that charge in 6 min to 80%

​@@dixikloos5352 That is nothing new. Cells/batteries can charge even faster than that since years. Those cells are not built for usage in EVs. In an EV you want 2500-3000 charging cycles out of a battery pack before it even reaches 30% degradation. That would not be possible with those almost instant charge/discharge cells

11kW right now and 22kW probably an option like the predecessor

No, in Europe there are quite a lot 350-450kW single power output stations. If they are split chargers, then they are mostly 400 or 450kW split (Mercedes Benz uses 400-450kW split chargers but also always have 1-2 single high power chargers, for example for high performance EVs or trucks. They follow this concept in the US as well, as far as I know). So you always get at least 200-225kW. The US really needs to upgrade its infrastructure. The Tesla superchargers become more and more a liability to fast charging, as they block charging locations, while they are not upgraded to 800V chargers yet. Also not all locations are open to different brands yet

@@bullshitbingo2259 Yes, I'm speaking more about the North American charging experience. There are still *some* standalone 350 kW units, but many are being replaced with the split-power units (and most brand new 350 kW units are split-power). Yes, the Mercedes chargers are 400 kW; however, that doesn't mean 200+ kW to each post. Those are the theoretical numbers if the car can max out both the current and voltage (none currently can). so the actual numbers a Taycan owner would see would be roughly half of whatever this Taycan saw on this dedicated 350 kW plug.

Batteries should be fine. Temperature management is the key to longevity and Porsche seems to know what they are doing here. Also the C charge rate itself isn't as crazy, it is just 3.2C (105kWh total capacity and 335kW max charging power). The battery of the Porsche Taycan should degrade way slower than the Zeekr 007 for example which pushes 4.7C through a 84kWh total capacity battery and with less temperature management capabilities. Western premium legacy manufacturers build cars to last.

Those cars with 300-400k kilometers on them I can almost guarantee you have been fast-charged almost exclusively, and they are holding up very well.

Not really - they will also show great EV-Tech this year and '25. Mayby the German Automakers will have the perfect Timing for the switch!

The „neue Klasse“ from BMW will be awesome with similar charging capabilities, Audi is also using the great 800v charging system, Mercedes is also planing a new fast charging system. The best cars in the future will be German, just as it is today.

Allegedly catl quilin prismatic cells are in the new taycan&maycan evs. 🤔

CATL, afaik

I was wondering the same. Not sure but could they already come from their own battery company Cellforce? (Edit: makes no sense. The factory that is going to start production in a few months is just a pilot plant)

Everyone’s using CATL batteries. So what is porch doing differently? In Laymans terms, please :-)

@@grizzlymartin1PORSCHE

Personal experience: 17% - 80% 245kW on average (72kWh, 17minutes), 17%-91% 189kW on average (84.5kWh, 26 minutes) The remaining 7% adds something below 2 minutes, like 1minute = 5% very roughly.

Also no ideal conditions, I only reached 297kW peak.