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Inside America's mass timber movement 

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Mass timber is a type of wood being used to build large buildings, like high-rises and airports. Jeff Glor traveled to Oregon to understand more about the material, its safety, and whether it's sustainable to use long-term.
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@quisp1492
@quisp1492 Месяц назад
It is such a relief to know that there a still people out there making beautiful things.
@michaeladams2959
@michaeladams2959 Месяц назад
So people can sit in bleachers? Really, fight the airport traffic to go hang out, yeah right. Must have gotten a large payout from the timber industry. And who is going to dust between all that lumber, right more jobs for illegal immigrants.
@Kevinbaconismydad
@Kevinbaconismydad Месяц назад
Union labor
@Primo_extracts
@Primo_extracts Месяц назад
Beauty, where?
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud Месяц назад
​@@Primo_extracts Before sharing my opinion...I really and sincerely (for understanding and educational purposes) wish to know more details about your post, please. Thank you in advance...
@schizo8923
@schizo8923 Месяц назад
Dangerous things too. Rot would be prevalent. Brick doesn't rot. I'm not trusting being on the 30th floor of a building during high winds with a bunch of stacks of 2x6's as a foundation.
@keeganschock3534
@keeganschock3534 Месяц назад
Architecture student here! I’m wrapping up my 4th year now, took a class entirely dedicated to mass timber and have used mass timber on almost half of my school projects. This comment section is fantastic, I love that this isn’t being politicized and that you all have done your homework. The class I took allowed me to see this stuff through every phase of its production. We visited a sustainable forest (where the workers are passionate and competent about ecological conservation), a sawmill where the dimensional lumber is cut and dried, and a mass timber production plant, and finally multiple mass timber buildings that are either completed or under construction on my campus (University of Arkansas). This stuff is really only at its infancy, the next new decades will take it to incredible places. I was surprised that the video didn’t touch on carbon sequestration much; essentially, mass timber buildings are giant carbon storage vessels. As long as the wood is being used, the carbon it stores is withheld from release back into the atmosphere. This is incredibly effective in mitigating the emissions that construction causes. They also didn’t talk about how engineered mass timber really is, it’s kind of insane. Each piece is scanned at the plant and 2x’s are connected long ways by finger joints, glued together. The length of each piece of lumber is analyzed to create the strongest glulam beam or clt slab possible, and tests are routinely ran to ensure strength. Moisture is also heavily considered, and lumber with similar MC (moisture content) is paired together to account for compression and expansion. I’ll stop my rambling now, but mass timber is really a fantastic building material that I’m excited to see further integrated into our built environment.
@sarahhaley7458
@sarahhaley7458 Месяц назад
Have you or your professors ever tested the effects on the White River?..or the groundwater reservoirs...it’s had quite an effect on the local wildlife! There are yippies riding around in spandex everywhere!...and they own an entire university in Fayetteville where they also teach that Tyson is best thing that ever happened to agriculture 🥺🤯😳
@katahdincloud9803
@katahdincloud9803 Месяц назад
Congrats on that education. Well presented.
@ed1pk
@ed1pk Месяц назад
How safe are the glues and chemicals that are used to treat the wood?
@cardboardboxification
@cardboardboxification Месяц назад
wood is bigger then you think, paper industry is HUGE, it's ok trees are just a crop like carrots, just takes 20 years to harvest all the oil used creates CO2 plant food for the next round of trees to harvest
@sarahhaley7458
@sarahhaley7458 Месяц назад
Except that trees are not carrots, and oil doesn’t produce CO2, but Georgia Pacific is a one of many evil giants on their way out alongside the other Dinos- If it’s so renewable, why do they do this to existing forests? Why Oregon? Why are the Waltons funding this kids architecture program in Arkansas near a national forest and the first national River? Why don’t they just go along to Kansas or Spain and start growing their own new, forests? Why do they want to buy my trees and my land and everything else they can grab? Go grow carrots 🥕
@addanametocontinue
@addanametocontinue Месяц назад
I don't like cutting down large patches of trees, either. But I'll be hard-pressed if you're trying to tell me that making buildings out of trees is somehow worse for the environment than steel and concrete. Steel and concrete involve a lot of energy and resources to produce. Timber... that literally grows on trees and requires a lot less effort to prepare.
@datekge2413
@datekge2413 Месяц назад
I get what your say but also how much carbon they release just by cutting down the tree. Also this wood is pressed together laminated planks it’s much stronger base then a normal whole piece of wood. That right there uses a ton of power tools and generators that burn a ton of fuel. I still think a mixture if traditional steel and concrete with newer building materials are the way to go.
@reecedeyoung6595
@reecedeyoung6595 Месяц назад
Wooden buildings will rot and decay. The most buildings that are still usable after 100 years are those made of stone, concrete or steel.
@Jebbis
@Jebbis Месяц назад
@@reecedeyoung6595 No they're not, you're thinking of stone. Rebar in concrete degrades over time and it loses it's strength. The only concrete buildings that have stood the test of time are un-reinforced concrete. Plus you stop maintaining those buildings and you'll see how fast those buildings become dangerous.
@reecedeyoung6595
@reecedeyoung6595 Месяц назад
@@Jebbis Big fan of structural stone, but reinforced concrete is still gonna last much longer than timber. The Ingalls building was the first reinforced concrete skyscraper and it's still in use. Im not an expert though
@russianbear0027
@russianbear0027 Месяц назад
​@@reecedeyoung6595it really depends on the local conditions and how the wood is treated/it's density. There are many wooden structures and structural members still around that are hundreds of years old. As for environmental impact it depends on how its sourced like the video shows.
@KushPatel
@KushPatel Месяц назад
I live in the building in Milwaukee. Love it. The wood adds so much warmth and character to our unit
@shinbi6009
@shinbi6009 Месяц назад
bro is giving Oceangate CEO vibes.
@KushPatel
@KushPatel Месяц назад
@@shinbi6009 hahaha
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud Месяц назад
Love that architecture...!!!...Your lucky!!!
@michael-michaelmotorcycle
@michael-michaelmotorcycle Месяц назад
But it’s in Milwaukee, Milwaukee is a dump.
@KetaVancouver
@KetaVancouver Месяц назад
Those are not clearcuts, those are cut blocks. Timber is 100% renewable and sustainable, while steel is not and concrete is INCREDIBLY water-intensive. Its not about "how high" can a mass timber structure go, its about the elimination of need for structural supports at regular intervals (like the steel in a concrete building) because the CLT wood itself has structural properties. So building with mass timber allows for more open space, flexibility with the layout. Thats why it is used for community centres, museums, and such, this airport in Portland etc.
@GardenOfEdenYT
@GardenOfEdenYT Месяц назад
Concrete guy here. Yes concrete uses water but it dries out. Granted it takes a while but that water does make it back into the water cycle. Also old concrete gets recycled. So it gets used for gravel drives or for whatever. Same goes for asphalt. Which is one of the most recycled materials in the world.
@glennjames7107
@glennjames7107 Месяц назад
And steel is one of the most recycled, if not "the" most recycled materials in the world. The maintenance of a wood structure this large is ridiculous and will only be performed for, at best, a few decades before they structure falls into disrepair. Then the city can build another new building. Where if it were built from more conventional materials it would last many decades with very little maintenance, in comparison.
@methos-ey9nf
@methos-ey9nf Месяц назад
It's not just water, concrete is also carbon intensive because of how cement is made
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud Месяц назад
@@GardenOfEdenYT It is not technically debatable...it is factual science...OPC materials have a HUGE carbon footprint in their current state of manufacture and real-life application. New concretes are 100% carbon neutral but about 5 years out from being retally available. I'm a "timber guy" so we both have our bias for sure, however when you compare the two, honestly, side by side, wood smashes concrete in most (not all!!!) applications...
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud Месяц назад
@@glennjames7107 You're speaking about timber architecture like you actually know and understand the "maintenance of wood structures" as compared to industrial steels and OPC concretes...???...Wood does not...AT ALL...have a "ridiculous maintenance schedule of any kind...and I should know...I've been taking care of them for over 50 years now...with the oldest being in excess of 1900 years of age...and the average bing 150 to 600 years old depending on the country...The "conventional materials" of which you speak are "earth, stone, and timber" even today if you wish to speak to the most durable, cost-effective, and tectonically stable...
@danbarrette9888
@danbarrette9888 Месяц назад
I’ve been a wildland firefighter for many years. Some years take me to Oregon, Washington and Northern California. The amount of trees lost to old age and or the environment needs to be witnessed. Selective cutting is a great way to save forest. Idaho and Montana also have some great forest. Working closely with the US Forest Service we enter some extremely protective areas where we cannot start any type of motor (chainsaw). This country could diversify more in the building materials used.
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud Месяц назад
Spot on...!!!
@danielwoods404
@danielwoods404 Месяц назад
Thanks for your hard work dude!
@amarketing8749
@amarketing8749 Месяц назад
Trees lost to old age and the environment are still important to the environment. Varying species rely on that environmental niche. Do you mean that there are excessive amounts or what you would consider harmful amounts of dead trees? I realize that your bias is going to be towards fire safety, but could you describe an example so people have a better idea about the problem you see?
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud Месяц назад
​@@amarketing8749 I can not speak to "professional smoke jumpers" and what they experience but have fought my share of forest fires over the years and doing controlled burning in the south. Could we just leave the forest alone and not "manage" them at all? Sure we could. We could also witness massive...and natural...million acres plus forest fires let to burn naturally which historically did and would take place again if there was zero management...Forest fires are natural, but there can be a symbiosis between human needs and those of a natural forest if good, sustainable, and holistic forest management plans are employed. When (not if) a fire takes place it should be planned and managed whenever possible, not allowed to run wild, as the recoveries from this take much longer than any "human clear cut."
@amarketing8749
@amarketing8749 Месяц назад
@@JayCWhiteCloud Thank you for your reply. I never said that forests should not be managed. In fact Native Americans / Indigenous People have been managing these ecosystems including with burning long before the Forest Service existed. They actually were managing the forests better than is currently done. Unfortunately, the way we log can still have negative effects. Although I hear it is getting better and clear cutting is seen less. But I have also seen cut blocks, that appear to be clear cutting on a smaller scale. The logging companies replant the area, so that is an improvement.... but I have heard environmentalists call it green washing. It really is a complex problem. I'm just glad that people are pushing for improving the sustainability of forestry, needed controlled burning included.
@lazurusknight2724
@lazurusknight2724 Месяц назад
There are no other building materials that are as carbon negative as timber. The fact that we lack an industry willing to harvest in a sustainable manner is a separate issue that must be solved, but what problem does CLT end? Concrete. It ends dependence on all-concrete and steel structures, which are incredibly carbon intensive. There are simply no better alternatives for being carbon-negative, and the idea that we need to iron out the timber industries' notably lax adherence to regulation, as well as tightening and revising current regulations, shouldn't be a show-stopper, but an obvious first step.
@bymodd
@bymodd Месяц назад
👏👏👏👏
@joshuagreen5820
@joshuagreen5820 Месяц назад
My dad's a logger in East Texas. The only clear cutting he does was for subdivisions. Only reason anything gets clear cut is for development. Seems obvious like growing corn. You're not going to harvest and burn it just for fun. You're either replanting or building out a town that's growing out larger and larger. Most trees that are cut are replanted. There are more trees today in middle America then there was 70 years ago. I wish Texas could grow redwoods that's really amazing lumber!
@willywonka7831
@willywonka7831 Месяц назад
Yeah the diesel loggers that cut down the trees are very carbon negative 😂
@djhero0071
@djhero0071 Месяц назад
@lazurusknight2724 What about building using bamboo?
@cdc3
@cdc3 Месяц назад
What's so important about building materials being carbon negative? Earth's aerosol carbon is at less than a third of what it was when lush forests covered it. You want "green"? Then we need MORE carbon, not less.
@Dean-pc1ok
@Dean-pc1ok Месяц назад
Hope its not like the wood i bought from home depot. Straight today, curly fry tomorrow.
@sammyismuff
@sammyismuff Месяц назад
How do you know it’s curly fry tomorrow if tomorrow is in the future? 😱 Time traveler confirmed?!
@blaydCA
@blaydCA Месяц назад
You get a whole day before it warps?? Lucky you!
@wheelmanstan
@wheelmanstan Месяц назад
4x4's for sure
@Fenthule
@Fenthule Месяц назад
it's a totally engineered kind of wood. there's several major players, but LVL or Laminated Veneer Lumber, CLT or Cross Laminated Lumber are the big guys for mass timber buildings. They're basically sheets of wood glued together in different ways and under VERY high pressure. These support beams are actually stronger than steel and concrete in many ways, as the cellulose that holds wood together is one of natures STRONGEST bonds. By crisscrossing the grains 90 degrees each sheet then sandwiching it together with the glue, the end result is a pillar with INCREDIBLE strength while simultaneously being lighter than steel and concrete AND acts like a carbon sink rather than releasing carbon when being made.
@blaydCA
@blaydCA Месяц назад
@@Fenthule Green washed with love using only the finest chemicals from Dow and ExxonMobil to "save our planet".
@Ubergamer256
@Ubergamer256 Месяц назад
Calling those areas clear cuts is such dishonest propaganda, not to mention the selective avoidance of discussing carbon sequestration. Having spent a good portion of my life in them, the PNW forests are incredibly well maintained and have been managed effectively for decades now. It’s much harder to do the Nordic type selective cutting in the PNW due to the tree sizes and slopes.
@burtvincent1278
@burtvincent1278 Месяц назад
Truth be damned. Today's news media mission is to promote confusion, hatred and discontent.
@thecocktailian2091
@thecocktailian2091 Месяц назад
Your last sentence is total nonsense. Have you ever been to Norway or Sweden or the Canadian mountains? Exactly the same as the PNW. Its the cost that prohibits selective cutting.
@Ubergamer256
@Ubergamer256 Месяц назад
@@thecocktailian2091 I was in Norway and Sweden 10 months ago. Wife is Canadian. So yes and yes. Stavanger is incredible.
@butchcassidy3373
@butchcassidy3373 Месяц назад
I'm a logger. Trees are farmed these days and managed very well. We should use more of the tree. We leave all kinds of materials in the woods as a by product. We could easily grind the scraps and make pellets to use in the coal fired electrical plants. We need more forward thinking people running our country and less of the rich cronies who only care about themselves and their friends. Lining pockets at the expense of natural resources and the American public.
@ColoradoSatellite
@ColoradoSatellite Месяц назад
Trees are the most renewable resource on the planet. Traps carbon and they grow back.
@zeroshepard9513
@zeroshepard9513 Месяц назад
They take 20 years to grow back. This tremendous wind coming off the gulf is supposed to stop in the forested mountains. Now it circles everywhere and knocks our semi trucks down.
@ColoradoSatellite
@ColoradoSatellite Месяц назад
@@zeroshepard9513 Most logged trees are from the same gigantic areas that cycles where they cut and grow.
@zeroshepard9513
@zeroshepard9513 Месяц назад
@@ColoradoSatellite And they are clearcut to the point that the forest no longer stops the wind. Ive seen these areas. Theyre unsustainably huge.
@michaeldowson6988
@michaeldowson6988 Месяц назад
They absorb a good deal of carbon while growing, but once they reach their mature size, they don't absorb quite so much.
@dylanmccallister1888
@dylanmccallister1888 Месяц назад
@@zeroshepard9513 you dont know what you are talking about. I grew up here in the PNW my grandfather is a logger. There are no wind problems here. We clear cut in 20-40 acre plots and replant in cycles. You just cant accept that there is a way to sustainably grow trees and your have some kind of defiance disorder so you started lying to win lol e
@cdc3
@cdc3 Месяц назад
Wood: lighter than concrete or steel, stronger than steel when dried properly, cheaper to produce than either if farmed correctly and more resistant to collapse than steel in a fire for a longer time period, oddly enough. Once steel hits around 500 F it begins to lose all strength and bends, causing structural integrity to fail. Wood chars on the outside, but takes longer to burn to the point of failure, the charring actually acting as an insulator until it burns off. Besides, wood doesn't melt...
@ellefields8878
@ellefields8878 Месяц назад
I’m an architectural student and I had a hard time believing that would was better for the environment, but after trying my best to disprove it I wound up accidentally proving that they were right. I think so much of it is that we have to look at it not just from seedling to finish product but the entire cycle of when we demolition these buildings, concrete and steel buildings are relatively useless after their demolition the concrete can’t be reused it just becomes more that has to be dealt with and steel is difficult to reclaim. Meanwhile is a recyclable product. We can use it as biomass we can turn it into paper we can do all number of things with the cellulose after it serves its purpose as a structure. Also the fact that we cut down the forest but we replant it, we keep the carbon cycle going of using trapped carbon from the atmosphere which is what wood is it is a byproduct of the tree stripping CO2 from the air and then we’re going to lock that away in a structure and replant the forest to continue the cycle. I can’t put enough emphasis on how much I did not want to believe that this was the right thing to do but when you compare it to mining iron ore all the processing the smelting the transportation and then we’re not gonna get into the concrete and how much energy it takes to create and transport concrete. Unbelievably the greatest thing to do is to use trees and replant. And on a very personal note, I would rather make structures using the beauty of wood than the cold despotic aesthetic of concrete. And if I am going to use concrete, I would rather use it as a reinforcement for reinforced rammed earth which beautifully complements wood. I’m going to add one concern i have and that’s bio diversity of the species of wood we are cutting. I am very concerned about becoming a mono culture where we find a tree that produces the most amount of straight timber and we only plant that it would make a forest extremely susceptible to fungus and insects and all mater if parasites. I think it’s very important that if this is the future that we make sure it’s a genetically sustainable future.
@butchcassidy3373
@butchcassidy3373 Месяц назад
You are correct about the diversity of planted forest. I work in the timber industry and we are only replacing a few species. The local eco system suffers as a whole. Some of the species they replant are sterile and cannot reproduce. I think we should have to replant hardwood as well as the pine that the industry thrives on
@Jeevanm71
@Jeevanm71 Месяц назад
Wouldn’t the lead time to grow more trees cause issues when we deforest at mass scales?
@kalbcorp
@kalbcorp Месяц назад
I disagree that concrete and steel buildings are not recyclable. We have been recycling concrete and asphalt for years and years into structured fill to be placed back into the ground .. Steel is easily separated from concrete demo and sent for recycling ... Did I misread ?
@ellefields8878
@ellefields8878 29 дней назад
@@Jeevanm71 That’s not my area of expertise, however we should be getting on planting forests now. We clear cut our way across this country and ya e a lot of time to make up.
@ellefields8878
@ellefields8878 29 дней назад
@@kalbcorp It can be recycled, concrete become back fill and steel can kinda be removed however it’s contaminated and it takes a lot to salvage and prepare steel for recycling. We will still need steel and concrete however far less of it.
@elijahrodgers416
@elijahrodgers416 Месяц назад
I live in the heart of forest plantations. The trees that are here were planted by the loggers and forest managers themselves. It is farming. They clear cut to plant another crop of trees. Yes it doesn’t look good right after it is harvested but in a few years it is a beautiful new forest. It is amazing how fast these pine trees grow. This is not “green washing” or deforestation. What takes our forests and country life away is city growth.
@methos-ey9nf
@methos-ey9nf Месяц назад
I would split hairs here - cities with high population density require much less land than the suburbs. If we want to conserve nature we should be trying to increase housing density and by changing zoning rules to stop the spread of single family homes on an acre of land.
@bruhice6058
@bruhice6058 Месяц назад
@@methos-ey9nfare your priorities making people live like rats or advancing the wellbeing of people?
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud Месяц назад
@@bruhice6058 If cities are planned properly you do not have to live like a "rat." I personally have only ever lived mostly in the country, but urban sprawl and everyone living in track homes in suburbs is not sustainable at all. If people continue to multiply..." like rats"...then cities (well-planned ones) are going to be a fact of life. Made of stone and timber would be beautiful...but I have my biases...as I like old European and Asian cities...
@methos-ey9nf
@methos-ey9nf Месяц назад
@@bruhice6058 that’s a false dichotomy. Think about all the people that go on vacation to cities because of all they offer. Then think about the social isolation and cost associated with the suburbs.
@unconventionalideas5683
@unconventionalideas5683 Месяц назад
@@bruhice6058People like housing density, which btw can be achieved with narrower streets, not just massive high rise buildings.
@TheMonkdad
@TheMonkdad Месяц назад
I’m a long time woodworker but when they talked about fire safety I immediately remembered Notre Dame Cathedral in 2019.
@HabeasJ
@HabeasJ Месяц назад
2:52
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud Месяц назад
It's not really an accurate comparison if you dig into the details of it...Mass timber, be it traditional or modern, is still more fire resistant than concrete and steel by comparison, and the tests and fires in them have proven that over time...Concretes rely on steel for strength and still lose all structural integrity at 350° to 450°F...Timber is well above 1000°F and has to get well past the charr layer it forms...There are plenty of cases where old stone and timber 2 and 3-story buildings have steel and concrete four and more stories added only to have them burn down and the building rebuilt on the stone and timber (see repurposed mills)
@jimbaranski4687
@jimbaranski4687 Месяц назад
Isn’t Notre Dame mostly stone?
@bubblesculptor
@bubblesculptor Месяц назад
I don't understand how they say wood is more fire resistant than concrete. I've seen woodfires happen in homes, businesses, workshops, jobsites, forests, etc. Literally everywhere wood can be found it's a fire risk. I've never seen concrete start a fire. I definitely feel wood is much more beautiful!
@JamesZeroSix
@JamesZeroSix Месяц назад
@@bubblesculptor Wood beams can be made fireproof by treating them with fire-retardant chemicals, which creates a chemical barrier that slows the spread of flames. The chemicals are integrated deep into the wood, not just on the surface, to provide long-lasting protection
@LionEagleOx
@LionEagleOx Месяц назад
Those softwoods from clear cutting, will be replaced within 20 to 30 years to cut again, if that. It's one of the reasons conifers are used in a lot of construction. They grow fast, have good strength, excellent flexibility, and are a lot easy to cut and mill, as well as lighter to transport, than hardwood. Hardwood on the other hand, is great for high use wear, such as desk, tables, counters, floors, and more. Both have their pros and cons, but to sensationalize clear cutting trees that grow extremely fast, is not the same as clear cutting hundred to thousand year old tress in a hardwood forest, that do not regrow in 20 years. If anything, cutting, regrowing, cutting, regrowing softwoods is a form of carbon capture.
@thecocktailian2091
@thecocktailian2091 Месяц назад
20 to 30 years is the acceptable industry metric.
@bryanpetersen1334
@bryanpetersen1334 Месяц назад
Anyone who spends time in the woods knows that we need to cut more timber today. Having cut areas in the forest makes a wildlife magnet, full of life.
@NahumOchoa1
@NahumOchoa1 Месяц назад
I watched the building in Seattle being built. It was honestly amazing how quickly that building went up. It took about a week for the floors to be installed. I’ve never seen a multi story building go up so quickly.
@ChainsawFPV
@ChainsawFPV Месяц назад
That airport roof just looks like it was framed, but never finished......
@CIS101
@CIS101 Месяц назад
Heard of this before this video. My first exposure to this was years ago with the term "Engineered Wood". There's a very old ad showing an engineered floor joist system with an elephant standing on it. Anyone remember that ? Maybe it's about time for this. Steel is an amazing building material, but is there no way of getting an aesthetic look from it without sheet rock, and drop ceilings ?
@718EngrCo
@718EngrCo Месяц назад
The Airport in Cebu Philippines is a beautiful example of a large timber building. It looks amazing.
@BlueprintScience
@BlueprintScience Месяц назад
Largest mass timber building is in Milwaukee
@leroi_of9945
@leroi_of9945 Месяц назад
I live in Milwaukee I didn't know that. Very cool.
@rickyl7358
@rickyl7358 Месяц назад
You know what's more fire resistant than wood..... steel
@tinay9491
@tinay9491 Месяц назад
as long as old growth trees remain protected, +areas really replanted, more will support this.
@TraphouseTCG
@TraphouseTCG Месяц назад
Noticed a building in Seattle near UW being build with timber recently. Pretty cool
@kryptonik1522
@kryptonik1522 Месяц назад
I've been designing commercial architectural millwork for 25 years, glulams have been used for a long time but mostly for high end leed projects, they are not cheap.
@gavinlawhite8721
@gavinlawhite8721 17 дней назад
Industries of scale will help a great deal I imagine. More factories making glulams makes glulams cheaper.
@17forever64
@17forever64 Месяц назад
Ha ha, only out West would they use renewables to build and someone says it’s bad for the environment. Plant the trees again and they will grow back. We have been doing this in the South for decades. Our National Forest is a resource that gets used and replanted.
@Waitwhat469
@Waitwhat469 Месяц назад
It's why the responsible forestry bit was so important. If they clear-cut a forest bad enough, it could prevent real growth for a while (while the area recovers).
@signmeupruss
@signmeupruss Месяц назад
In Marquette, Michigan on the campus of Northern Michigan University: Superior Dome The Superior Dome has been home to the Wildcat football team since its construction in 1991 and is now also home to the Wildcat soccer team and the Wildcat track teams. The Dome stands 14 stories high and encompasses 5.1 acres under its roof. Constructed of 781 Douglas Fir beams and 108.5 miles of fir decking, the Dome has a permanent seating capacity of 8,000, although the building can hold as many as 16,000 people.
@davidhaynes3126
@davidhaynes3126 Месяц назад
Our company owns a 6 story stone building built in 1910 sitting on pine tree piles sunk deep into what was essentially a beach. Mass timber is completely viable
@danielcarroll3358
@danielcarroll3358 Месяц назад
Sounds similar to the former Montgomery Block in San Francisco. But that was brick on pilings sunk into a filled in cove. It was stable until it got torn down for a high rise.
@davidhaynes3126
@davidhaynes3126 Месяц назад
@@danielcarroll3358 wasn’t a heritage site, I’m guessing ? The building we own was built by the Port Authority in 1910. Original Water Front Head Office. A developer is adding a skyscraper condo in the parking lot, but the original building will not be torn down, rather incorporated into a new structure. Which’s kinda neat. Thanks Daniel 🇨🇦
@danielcarroll3358
@danielcarroll3358 Месяц назад
@@davidhaynes3126 The building was a registered California historic site. But is now the location of the Transamerica Pyramid. Check out "Montgomery Block" on Wikipedia. In 1853 at four stories it was the tallest building west of the Mississippi!
@tacitozetticci408
@tacitozetticci408 16 дней назад
Are the adhesives used to manufacture the timber , along with the varnishes and paint detail products, contain the same fire protective extinguishing property component present , in a common fire extinguisher dispenser canister?
@geoffoakland
@geoffoakland Месяц назад
There is an 18 story almost 300 foot all wood building in Norway that was finished 2019. It was the tallest all wood building until the Ascent building in Milwaukee was completed in 2022.
@brianfryer819
@brianfryer819 Месяц назад
The piece didn't adress the other "green" aspect of mass timber and that is the carbon sequestered in the wood. Trees take remove carbon dioxide and use it to build mass. By using the timber you're holding onto that sequestred carbon and allowing new trees to grow and take in even more. The building is going to remove that carbon from the cycle for hopefully 60 or 70 years.
@thecurrentmoment
@thecurrentmoment Месяц назад
At the end of the life cycle, if they can either re-use it or turn the wood into biochar then they can sequester the carbon permanently
@pukaseek
@pukaseek Месяц назад
A tree has to be alive to do it’s job of recycling CO2. A dead processed tree cannot.
@russellzauner
@russellzauner Месяц назад
As an Oregonian, I feel like I've seen this story before.
@mk1st
@mk1st Месяц назад
Why no comparison to the carbon intensity of producing steel and concrete?
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud Месяц назад
Boring data...but it is out there if you wish to find it and read it...I have...Wood smashes OPC and steel by a large margin...
@johnvogler5335
@johnvogler5335 Месяц назад
No wonder prices for lumber have gone through the roof!
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 Месяц назад
Lumber was more expensive in actual dollar in 2004 than in 2024 (softwood), on the shelf, NOT adjusted for inflation. I saw lumber in Oregon. The bubble was 12 months, then within 12 months, the price fell below the highs of 2004. Google a chart, the data is clear.
@LyricsQuest
@LyricsQuest Месяц назад
Lumber prices appears to be tracking oil. $2/stick back in 2018, average oil price=$50, $3.25 in 2024, average oil price = $80. The relationship between lumber prices with fuel cost, is in the harvesting equipment (Saws), and all the transportation from the forest to the mill, then to the distributors. Might be expensive.
@KetaVancouver
@KetaVancouver Месяц назад
They did go way up but that was a couple of years ago, they are back down now to more "normal", since mid-2023.
@quaidcarlobulloch9300
@quaidcarlobulloch9300 Месяц назад
That’s beautiful.
@mattwales2734
@mattwales2734 Месяц назад
Are they bringing in the cool carpet from the old airport terminal?
@MattBlaskowski
@MattBlaskowski Месяц назад
Yes. They had someone recreate the old carpet. Looks cool against the wood.
@MrDhalli6500
@MrDhalli6500 Месяц назад
Could you imagine a major city built like this, awesome
@danielabbey7726
@danielabbey7726 Месяц назад
Kind of surprised that they didn't mention building skyscrapers out of bamboo. Even stronger than most woods, and very sustainable
@cruzfairfield3326
@cruzfairfield3326 Месяц назад
Protect old growth, cutting trees every 20 years is so sad, you'll never get to see the big big old trees :(
@Ryan-he2qz
@Ryan-he2qz Месяц назад
Timber is the most innovative and natural infrastructure material. Better than steal yet it give aesthetics and natural feeling that mixes to the nature
@yota4004
@yota4004 Месяц назад
2 billion dollars for an airport..2 billion dollars.
@markjaycox7524
@markjaycox7524 Месяц назад
Beautiful!
@patrickarmstrong8908
@patrickarmstrong8908 Месяц назад
"We produce more timber than we are consuming..." Then why is wood so much more expensive now?
@mikelouis9389
@mikelouis9389 Месяц назад
Because the CEO's can. It ain't Biden, it's corporate Chad.
@patrickarmstrong8908
@patrickarmstrong8908 Месяц назад
@@mikelouis9389 ??? No one is talking about Biden.
@zoso1123
@zoso1123 Месяц назад
Bidenomics
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud Месяц назад
In a word...GREED...!!!!
@andrewsackville-west1609
@andrewsackville-west1609 Месяц назад
It's market manipulation. Saw mill here just closed, not due to lack of business, but because the mill owner, a large corporation, saw an opportunity to boost profits by squeezing the lumber market a bit. They're large enough that they can move the market and tweak their profits independently from the true underlying supply and demand. It's gross, and now our town is bleeding due to lost jobs.
@alecb3332
@alecb3332 Месяц назад
I'm concerned that this will drive up the price of wood for residential projects.
@xIgnisEques
@xIgnisEques Месяц назад
Seeing stuff like this makes me hopeful and excited for the future.
@HobbyOrganist
@HobbyOrganist Месяц назад
My workplace burned to the ground 3 years ago, all 4 buildings-all made of wood, now rebuilding with concrete floors and steel structure, the architect priced the 6000 sq feet of wood flooring like we had- maple, and it was way too expensive no matter what he tried.
@HappyLittleSquirrel
@HappyLittleSquirrel 8 дней назад
We have a building in town used to be a huge grocery store, now it's an athletic facility, well over 70 years old, the roof is supported by 12 massive arched beams with wide open floor space, the beams are one of the reasons the building has been preserved, everyone grew up in awe of them, quite the talk back in the day I guess, apparently even started a beam war with another grocery store who copied the concept, only they had to cut the budget and ended up with straight beams that need a few posts under them.
@x-men69-96
@x-men69-96 Месяц назад
How many trees have they cut?
@Alwayslifted
@Alwayslifted Месяц назад
They don't care, all they care about is more $$$$ the USA is the greediest country on earth nothing get in the way of greed here including human life
@seeharvester
@seeharvester Месяц назад
All of them.
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 Месяц назад
Less than they have grown, by law.
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 Месяц назад
⁠@@seeharvestercome and visit … you’re self righteousness doesn’t make you right.
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 Месяц назад
Google: “Oregon Forest Practices Act” and the Oregon Department of Forestry … every tree harvested in Oregon is harvested under permit of a super-majority Democratic administration that has been in place for 30 years.
@aGj2fiebP3ekso7wQpnd1Lhd
@aGj2fiebP3ekso7wQpnd1Lhd Месяц назад
Clearcutting is actually good as long as it's replanted. Trees convert co2 to wood where it's sequestered forever when used as lumber.
@user-jk3ht5hn3m
@user-jk3ht5hn3m Месяц назад
Nobody wanna talk about what lives in are ever diminishing, fire ravaged forests or have we just moved on from that?
@PoppabearsCave
@PoppabearsCave Месяц назад
roof looks amazing. I don't want to dust it.
@Guds777
@Guds777 Месяц назад
Glued laminated Bamboo is another option. The best thing about Bamboo is how fast it grows. "Bamboo is the fastest-growing plant on Earth, to the tune of growing about 35 inches (89 cm) per day or up to 1.5 inches (≈4 cm) per hour for the faster species". Then you could grow faster on a industrial scale then what you can use. The cool thing about laminated wood is it can sustain fire better and longer then steel. Steel will start to deform and bend after certain degree of heat while the wood produces protective layer of char...
@bobpenny8011
@bobpenny8011 Месяц назад
They did not talk about the carbon sequestration aspect of mass timber construction. Concrete and steel production emits carbon into the atmosphere in the production of the materials. Timber (trees) absorbs carbon from the environment and mass timber construction locks that carbon inside buildings. However, environmental ecosystem fragmentation cannot be ignored. Habitat reduction is already critical and more emphasis on logging is just going to make that situation worse. Bottom line - there are too many people and we need too many buildings and the buildings we want are too big. We've got to live lighter in the planet. So... build a yurt!
@gregvisioninfosoft
@gregvisioninfosoft Месяц назад
what is the exterior finish that is used for exposed wood in the elements? or is it the same resin formulation that is used when the wood is pressure treated in its earlier engineering process?
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud Месяц назад
Traditionally an oil varnish...with these huge structures they are clad in glass and sheet materials that keep the elements away from the primary superstructure supporting the architecture...
@gregvisioninfosoft
@gregvisioninfosoft Месяц назад
@@JayCWhiteCloud thanks
@tempest411
@tempest411 Месяц назад
I don't see this aging well. What kind of chemicals are they using in the adhesives and to provide fire resistance? We may find that just because it's 'wood' doesn't mean those chemicals turn it into a toxic mess long term. Meanwhile concrete and steel are pretty benign in that regard.
@jframe88
@jframe88 Месяц назад
Trees are made of carbon. You can sustainably harvest them. We've been doing it for a long time. I believe at this point we should never cut down old growth forest. Steel isn't too bad for carbon footprint (depending on where the steel is being produced) but cement production produces a significant amount of CO2. For buildings of a certain height (midrise), mass timber is likely the most carbon friendly structural building material.
@jooch_exe
@jooch_exe Месяц назад
Now we know why consumers have to pay a ridiculous price for lumber.
@GreenSneakersAndHam1
@GreenSneakersAndHam1 Месяц назад
The price of wood today is outrageous since covid. Pure GREED
@daytonshuflita2201
@daytonshuflita2201 Месяц назад
So is everything else
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 Месяц назад
Lumber is cheaper today than in 2004. I know, I saw and sell it, then and now. The bubble was 12 months. Look up a chart of CME lumber futures, or just google “historical price of lumber” - the data is there.
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 Месяц назад
Five mills have closed in Oregon since the beginning of 2024, most in rural areas. Portland-metro is essential 3 of the 4 million people in Oregon.
@capps2015
@capps2015 Месяц назад
It's back down to $2-5 a 2x4. Same as before 2020. I refloored a 16ft trailer for $400 in material in 21 it'd cost me 260 to do it now.
@GreenSneakersAndHam1
@GreenSneakersAndHam1 Месяц назад
@@capps2015 2by4's aren't considered wood products. What about the cost of all other wood products like plywood and all the other board sizes involved in building a house?
@bg-se7rq
@bg-se7rq Месяц назад
What company leads the way in responsibly harvesting the wood for these projects?
@Alwayslifted
@Alwayslifted Месяц назад
nobody, this is America! money is the only thing that matters here. its worshipped here like god.
@nomencalatus1
@nomencalatus1 Месяц назад
@@Alwayslifted because the government keeps printing it by the trillions to keep the fake economy moving so your dollars are worth less every day, soon to be worthless.
@James_Fitz
@James_Fitz Месяц назад
Port Blakely
@bofkaycee1970
@bofkaycee1970 Месяц назад
The argument for using wood at that level is actually good resource management.
@marklong8608
@marklong8608 Месяц назад
Ever see a wheat or corn field after the crop has been harvested? Why is that clear cutting and then replanting ok?
@Waitwhat469
@Waitwhat469 Месяц назад
They're is actually some serious research being down on no till famring and now pereneal grains to avoid some the more harmful effects of that. Another "popular" (ngos, homesteaders, and hippies like it at least) is food forests as an alternitive to monoculture industrial agriculutre (at least in part).
@jacobtracy7847
@jacobtracy7847 Месяц назад
Clearly they don't have termites in Oregon.
@chefbrittan84
@chefbrittan84 Месяц назад
Did I hear that correct? “America is producing more wood than is consumed”. If so, why is it so damn expensive still?
@bobmartin6055
@bobmartin6055 Месяц назад
Having our public forests burn down because they are so overgrown isn’t so green; sustainable harvesting practices and replanting is possible.
@iankelley7592
@iankelley7592 Месяц назад
I work in a mass timber building, and at first it was interesting. Over a year later, the giant glued wooden beams are splitting left and right. It may not ultimately affect the building but it is concerning to see.
@JH-pe3ro
@JH-pe3ro Месяц назад
It's the main downside...the technology behind mass timber is "good glue" and some fire treatments. We've been using plywood since forever, so it's not really unproven, but there's still a learning curve for doing load-bearing construction with it.
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud Месяц назад
I'm in the industry from the "traditional side" and checking (what you are incorrectly calling "splitting") is a common event in any large timber architecture. It can be mitigated or stopped but this "new industry" is still trying to catch up to the traditional methods and still make the "cash" they want to make...
@lummoxx8586
@lummoxx8586 Месяц назад
The ceiling is just a giant dust collector.
@zander6086
@zander6086 Месяц назад
My neighbour would have a heart attack because she loves her trees at the back of the property and she had a hissy fit when they got chopped down
@xsnjkwfeny-wr9qr
@xsnjkwfeny-wr9qr Месяц назад
Likely more trees are lost due to out of control wildfires each year. Better management and harvesting could be possible in theory
@sauceokay
@sauceokay Месяц назад
Price.
@Hillbilly-mgjwv
@Hillbilly-mgjwv Месяц назад
“marginally more expensive”. Says no homeowner, shopping for lumber in the past 4 years.
@Rawstock92
@Rawstock92 Месяц назад
Besides a little bit of bamboo, some straw bale and Cobb, timber is the only building product we grow. We mine, synthesize, or manufacture the rest …
@djplonghead5403
@djplonghead5403 Месяц назад
It never matters if they don’t replant trees
@CapitalismDeathSpiral
@CapitalismDeathSpiral Месяц назад
For every tree that is 1 foot thick or more, that one who cut it down MUST grow 3 more saplings.
@ticklefritz5406
@ticklefritz5406 Месяц назад
I get a kick from Chris Evan's logging boots in the shop. Nice costume champ!
@LaMayimba90210
@LaMayimba90210 Месяц назад
These folks respect wood
@jallen69
@jallen69 Месяц назад
Europeans always make jokes about our wooden structures that fly away like huts once a hurricane hits
@aaronbazan702
@aaronbazan702 Месяц назад
How many projects of this nature can our forests withstand? 🥺
@johnscaife2725
@johnscaife2725 Месяц назад
Huge wooden hanger was built during the WWII era was destroyer by fire just a few years ago . They stood by and watched saying it was too dangerous to do anything.
@majdan63
@majdan63 Месяц назад
This is my twin project at ZGF Architecture
@mongoloid3015
@mongoloid3015 Месяц назад
Does it fall apart when it gets wet like OSB ?
@jamesjordan0007
@jamesjordan0007 Месяц назад
I wonder how you dust that ceiling....
@DeuceDeuceBravo
@DeuceDeuceBravo Месяц назад
Some other critical issues need to be mentioned.... Wood sequesters carbon, while concrete production is one of the biggest CO2 offenders on the planet. Concrete requires mining of the ingredients, which obviously has permanent impact on local ecologies, unlike cutting trees which can be easily replaced. And when/if the building ever needs to be demolished, that wood can be used for many things while the concrete will be mostly useless rubble.
@Nayr747
@Nayr747 20 дней назад
"Pioneering the technology" of gluing 2x4s together?
@MyWatchIsEnded
@MyWatchIsEnded Месяц назад
The ironic part is that wood buildings have been known to last thousands of years with proper design but concrete and steel buildings barely last 50-80 years before needing serious refurbishing/replacement.
@scottholtby-ut3vy
@scottholtby-ut3vy Месяц назад
Future of building
@daccrowell4776
@daccrowell4776 Месяц назад
How, exactly, does the planner expect his airport to be a place where people are going to flock to "hang out"? That seems like a big reach; I can't see anyone paying expensive AF parking fees and dealing with the security measures to just kick it there, no matter how much wood gets used to nice the place up. And this doesn't even get to the cost of PDX's "hang suite". Even if you can't get back to the concourses without a boarding pass, the food and drinks in the main hall alone won't even leave you with money for the ride home. I get the distinct feeling that Mr. Project there probably has a TSA skip-the-line card and plenty of money for $20 cheeseburgers...and can't fathom why someone might NOT. So, SO very Portland.😐
@georgebush6002
@georgebush6002 Месяц назад
I agree and I think his vision is still justified by travel related waiting.
@944play
@944play Месяц назад
One does not park at PDX. The MAX Red Line goes there.
@Ap_twsh
@Ap_twsh Месяц назад
well its a beautiful architecture. the people that pay for their ticket to board a plane can at least enjoy their journey.
@StephenCoorlas
@StephenCoorlas Месяц назад
Spot on. Ain't nobody hanging out at the airport - except people with delayed flights.
@944play
@944play Месяц назад
@@StephenCoorlas I cannot be told that. An airport terminal is a prime location for people watching. Why do you think Doug Stanhope prefers airport bars? As for why not, observe the other comment I made to this video. It's SELF-INFLICTED.
@TheGiggleMasterP
@TheGiggleMasterP Месяц назад
No worries guys they have really good sprinkler systems.
@gregoryfuzi4745
@gregoryfuzi4745 Месяц назад
We have a bunch of homeless that need a place to hang out. Im sure they would be appreciative for the place to hang out instead of living on the streets. Thank you for the invitation!
@billschmitzer9159
@billschmitzer9159 Месяц назад
Interesting report.
@mfpears
@mfpears Месяц назад
As long as the building stands, that's carbon removed from the atmosphere. Grow more and capture more carbon.
@zacharyhenderson2902
@zacharyhenderson2902 Месяц назад
I know I didn't just hear someone say that he thinks we should all go through TSA checkpoints to just hang out with each other.
@THambrough
@THambrough Месяц назад
Beavers: Mm.. Bout to act up.. Firefighters: Gawd dayum, I'm uh clap and bust!
@thecocktailian2091
@thecocktailian2091 Месяц назад
As a fledgling industry, we have no data on the longevity of the material. Unfortunately, it will be at least a generation before any data can even begin to be compiled.
@2k7u
@2k7u Месяц назад
the world's most flammable airport
@bmphil3400
@bmphil3400 Месяц назад
Timber gets difficult for tall projects. The compression strength of timber is much much less than concrete and the trnsile strength is less than steel. So reinforced concrete excels at really tall buildings.
@petercarlsen3462
@petercarlsen3462 Месяц назад
It would be awesome to see Japanese/craftsman architectural elements be applied to these structures. Concrete is not sustainable. The shortages and pricing in our area keep getting worse. Many don’t know, but steel looses a majority of its strength at only 400 degrees and mass timber often requires less fireproofing measures.
@shanechostetler9997
@shanechostetler9997 Месяц назад
Not to mention, one company controls the vast majority of the concrete in this country.
@nnonotnow
@nnonotnow Месяц назад
I love the look of natural wood but I'm not buying the safety aspect of it.
@mattspring2119
@mattspring2119 Месяц назад
If we rotated only about 30 percent of the timber stands on the western cascades. It would provide all the timber the US needs annually.
@chrissypoo69
@chrissypoo69 Месяц назад
I have a friend that moved up north and has over 1 million trees. Set to be ready for harvest in about 6 years but they payout will be tremendous. Will just repeat after and wait for the next payout.
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