Showrunner Ryan Condal, director Clare Kilner, and more reflect on the aftermath of the Battle at Rook’s Rest and the shifting power dynamics on both sides of the war. Watch House of the Dragon S2 Sundays at 9PM on #StreamonMax.
I’m team black but Aegon’s “mummy” broke my heart. I was so crushed that she didn’t hear it and didn’t rush back into the room to comfort him some more 😭💔
@@queenxx1690 sadly people were right that it might be a problem to have entire episode without Tom. Like it or not he is carrying the fuck out if this season. Glad he's most likely awake in ep6
Olivia’s performance in green council was amazing 🤩 she is amazing in every scene and I want more scene to watch her acting because in every episode she shows how strong actress she is and it’s pleasure to watch her ❤
The Freys were also parading a beheaded Robb Stark’s corpse with a wolf head around as well, not knowing that Arya was there too. It’s fun to know how it turned out for them. Never celebrate too early, I guess.
S1 ep9 totally ruin her character. She literally kill hundreds of people and then turns around and act like it was such a noble thing and also somehow she has the moral high ground in the war. Its also funny how everybody just ignore what she did but when aegon kill the ratcatcher they act like its such a horrible. The writers who wrote her character are fking dumb and only want to a girlboss moment but ended up ruining her character
Parading Meleys' head like a prize was a mistake. It had broken the illusion that the small folk had of the dragons as being unbeatable. Criston Cole had doomed House Targaryen
It was always known dragons could be killed (Meraxes and Dorne) Moreover Meleys was killed by Vhagar not by some mere human. Storming of dragonpit was due to KL folk being fed up with the war’s effect on them which resulted with them believing in the Shepherd’s BS tales. Knowing dragons are chained and more vulnerable gave them courage as well. The show tries to give reasonings but they are not doing it well, Meleys being beloved when she belowed up the pit and killed many doesnt make sense.
@@bade1398 Yeah, Meleys being beloved does make fully sense, but the reaction of the folks still makes sense to me. Before it was a disagreement between the Targaryens, which seemed to escalate, but now it`s realy a war of dragons and the sense of safety they had is completely gone. And the believe of dragons as gods makes sense to for me. They had peace for a very long time and most of them got no education and are religious. Why wouldn`t they feel that way?
I loved Rhaenyra and Baela’s scene of remembering Rhaenys together. It’s giving a parallel to season one when Viserys and Rhaenyra talking about the loss of Aemma and contrasts what Alicent is as a mother, when she could’ve comforted and grieved with Aegon in earlier episodes.
@@Munkenba it had different entrances so maybe the angle there showed was from the opposite angle since we really only saw it once in game of thrones. I didn’t think it was terrible
The parallels of Daemon and Aemond ruling with their coldness to the common people. Love it. It’s the exact characters you want to see get fucked up by the power of the people. We hear all the time in this show how both Aegon and Rhaenyra are not fit to rule, well, what does not being fit look like to power hungry tyrants? It’s a great narrative.
Viserys made many mistakes. but one thing he got 101% correct imo is that Daemon (and people like Daemon like Aemond) on or near the power of the throne are a disaster waiting to happen for the kingdom. And we're beginning to see glimpses of that this episode.
Daemon is a fucking asshole and and someone I definitely never ever want to go be lording ever me (but again I don't think anyone wants any other person to order them around). But he should have been around the throne, and Vis should have listened to Daemon. Cuz even though he is a mostly heartless more than a bit sadistic and psychotic bitch, he is loyal to his family and that Targ name and legacy, and I do think that he loves, probably, some people, very selectively, or at the very least, he is loyal to his House. And if Otto was removed as Daemon suggested (he might have removed Otto permanently himself if dude wasn't tha Hand, i think) none of this, almost none anyway, would have quite happened. So, he's kinda effective, but definitely needs someone with a much better moral compass and responsibility to have power over him, kinda like a wild pet, tbh.
Nobody forgot. You're just confused. When she speaks of the terrors of wahhhh. Shes not really thinking about the commoner. Shes talking about the Targaryens and the dragons. We're all just pawns.
Newer seasons of GoT neglected set-up episodes like tonight’s episode of HoTD. I enjoyed seeing each faction scheme and hatch plans to win the war. That makes the action and consequential scenes hit so much harder. Good episode. Claire Kilner has been a very consistent director.
so you suggest to rhaenyra to send a large force and dragons to recover rhaenys body , lose probably thousands of forces and then do a funeral scene at the end? oh yea i was wondering the same thing smh
We also did no get Aegon and Helaena wedding ,Jaehaerys funeral so you are not getting funeral too this show have no time on slow scene so we cannot get really close to the character like we did in GOT and until writers will understand it will be boring
I swear that people complain for the sake of it are so annoying… Look up the lore of Meleys. She was the dragon as well of Alyssa Targaryen, daughter of King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne. Both of them were beloved by the small folks and lords alike.Meleys was born during a time of peace to Westeros and was rode by two loved Targaryen Princesses. That dragon is attached to an important part of the Targaryen history.
@@begobertran9739this is why they shouldn’t have made Meleys kill the people in the dragon pit. that event was more recent than 2 former Targaryen princesses riding Meleys long ago. they should technically remembered that. i think what was highlighted was that a dragon war is looming, many more will die and to some they now know that dragons can be killed.
"Meleys was a beloved dragon” Whaatt? so we’re just going to ignore her blowing up the dragon pit, the smallfolk just kinda forgot about it? a couple of ratcatchers are more traumatizing to the smallfolk than hundreds of them getting crushed?
Well, if you think about it. Meleys was Alyssa’s Targaryen dragon as well (mother of Viserys and Daemon). She was the beloved daughter of King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne, both were deeply loved by the small folks. Rhaenys was their granddaughter. So there was a lot of Targaryen history attached to the dragon.
@@begobertran9739 Recen events will outweigh any positive feelings of the past. I mean with that logic you could argue why the USA didnt support the Soviets because they were friendly once
A dragon is not responsible for the decisions of its rider, this is common sense, it surprise me that everyone in the comment section arent using common sense.
3:19 Meleys is a beloved dragon??? Is Ryan forgetting that they wrote that awful dragonpit scene? All the smallfolk should hate Meleys, she killed their family members
The people of King's Landing still cheered for Tywin--and that guy ordered the ransacking of the entire city at the end of Robert's Rebellion. So there's that, I guess... I'm still a little salty about them not having at least one person mention Rhaenys and the Dragonpit, and some loved ones lost there on such a fateful day.
To this day, people will often vote against their best interest out of spite or over vague promises that end up broken. People are inconsistent and contradictory. It's part of what makes us human. Can't help but think of that Trump voting family that got torn up after the father was deported based on Trump's policies. You'd think they'd be mad at him for tearing their family apart, but nope!
Meleys bursting trough the floor in 109 was the worst decission made by the house of the dragon team. Its imo their only significant mistake but it affects so many scenes
The funny thing is that, even though I'm sure they didn't do it with that in mind, they can use this scene with regards to another event that I won't spoil, book readers will know. It fits perfectly.
1. they are seen as gods 2. dragons reminds everyone the long lasting peace and prosperity of Viserys and Jaehaerys ruling 3. the dragon didnt kill the small folk, the rider was responsible 4. small folk already believe of bad omens after Rhaenyra was stolen from his throne so they seen the killing in the dragon pit a deserving punishment from the gods. 5. they are more concerned with the horrible situation in kings landing, no food,sickness , lack of jobs, looting and killings than being angry at a creature who killed a couple of small folk because of the decisions of a dragon rider.
How was Meleys a 'beloved dragon'? She literally trampled a bunch of common people last season! Yeah maybe she was beloved before that, but now? Great episode but I continue to be baffled by the decision to add in that scene in the dragon pit.
The storming of the dragon pit will definitely be one of the most heartbreaking moments of the series. I know I was absolutely devastated, when they told the story in the animated story, in series 5 when Tyrion told both dragons the story of how he wanted a dragon for his birthday, and in series 7 during the dragon pit scenes.
The small folk love Meleys? 🙄 Didn't Meleys kill many of the small folk in season 1? I see the showrunners of HOTD share the amnesia of Dan and David. 😐
Meleys also blew up like a hundred small folk last season. I don't buy what Ryan is saying about her being a "beloved dragon" after that. It's giving major "Dany kind of forgot about the iron fleet" vibes.
Small folk: man, we can't fight targaryen, they are like gods with their dragons. Cole: I (a normal human) killed a dragon! Small folk: wait, we can kill them?! 👁️👁️
Im sensing a little lack of subtlety lately, clearly one of the themes of the show is women’s relation to power in a patriarchy, but when a character actually says “BUT YOU ARE A WOMAN” it really goes into that heavy handed “telling, not showing” territoy, specially when the female characters are not given meaningful actions to illustrate why they would actually be fit to rule. I also sense a difference between this and george rr martin’s approach to writing female characters in the sense that his female characters are allowed to be flawed, have desires, ambitions, anger, and negative traits that ultimately makes them humans, while in the show the women feel softened and/or misunderstood, and none are actually evil or bad, which feels ironically sexist and demeaning… I do love the show though, but i feel the first season had a sophistication that is yet to be recaptured.
Agreed! The show is hammering the concept that woman are disadvantaged and are misunderstood too hard that at times it feels like that is its main focus. Not the throne and the power it wields. Ambitious woman exist and they can be prone to violent path as well. I dislike the constant push of Alicent. Otto should be present at kings landing assisting with the war council. He was essentially put aside and replaced with Alicent when he was the mastermind of the war. Alicent is not the queen, yet she sits in the council and demands to be named regent. Its laughable. She knows nothing of war.
@@simonbouhadana6333 its disappointing when the messaging gets more focus than the story, games of thrones had amazing messages and lessons while actually just telling a great story
I'm soooo sick of this hallucination plot line.... I do understand Daemon needed some time for Jace and Rhaenyra create a dragon army and stuff but it is just ridiculous now. Misaria and the witch seemed like walking scenarios here or there just wasting character's time. Didn't expect this from me but the Greens are so much more interesting. This episode is the first in this season that FINALLY has given Rhaenyra a PLOT LINE! Thank you very much... 3 episodes left only))))
I love it. GRRM works are great because of how grounded they are in real historical politics and all that...but its still a fantasy world. GoT's beyond the wall/whitewalker storyline complemented the more immediate and realistic stuff nicely. HotD is very politic heavy and without moments like this its just throne room drama with dragons who are essentially just military props.
It would be different if they didn’t have meyles killing thousands of people but now it’s like they just don’t remember and hoping that watchers don’t remember either which kinda sucks cause how could I forget something like that 😂
I love Matt Smith so much 😄 i believe he was born to play this role. I can't see anyone else bringing what he brings to the character. Excellent casting.
wtf was that episode? 2 years for this? Never mind the action, dragon battles and what not. I love a slow burn. Game of thrones barely had any action, but the dialogue and story telling was so good. What the hell happened to the writing for this season?! No wonder GRRM's jumping ship from the writers table for season 3. Clearly, y'all are writing a completely different story without his input. Also... Daemon eating his own mother out?! Seriously?
Agree. The Blacks and Daemon especially are just walking around. They're I don't know... waiting for the right time to start their ACTUAL plot lines. NEXT SEASON apparently))) The Greens are much more interesting. Can't imagine what would have been if Helena had her own story. I guess we'll find out in the next episode))) These episodes Jace seemed like the only black character who was actually doing something AND not dying))))
I love seeing the lords playing the game. They need their armies and seeing Daemon get so confused that they’re not worshipping him. He needs to work on his people and negotiation skills.
Cole parading Meleys' head through Kings Landing is truly the start of the end of the Targaryen reign. He showed the smallfolk that the Targaryen's are not all-powerful, that they can be defeated, in a way that only Dorne had previously known in Westeros. As they continue to lose dragons throughout this period, the Targaryen's will never be as powerful in Westeros as they were before this moment.
That only Dorne knew? Huh? Maegor literally killed Quicksilver when he was king riding Balerion. oNlY dOrNe KnEw bro they’re not modern day China, information doesn’t just contained there lmao
I actually thought the dragon pit scene was meant to show that the entire royal family was inherently blind and deaf to most peoples concerns and that they were all morally bankrupt. Even Rhaenys, who was always depicted as a sensible and sympathetic character..... Turns out it was just dreadful writing. Doesnt augur well for the long term health of the show. D and D didnt go off the rails all at once.
The material this 4-5 season show is based off has less pages than the Dorne & Greyjoy plot lines of the main books & those were butchered far worse and kept getting worse from there.
They have no time on slow scenes it will be their doom there a lot of scenes that are missing why we do not see anyone reaction only aftermath it is like with Jon telling he Targaryen and then they just cut Starks reaction .
@CloeC-u9t You do know that the books were written as a Green propagandists .In the world of westros Rhaenyra is not even considered a monarch even tho she was crowned and Ruled for 6 months. George himself said the books are unreliable and he wrote it that way
What idiotic writing. The smallfolk are supposed to cheer for the death of the person responsible for the massacre at the dragon pit. I guess they kinda forgot about it ? "Meleys the beloved dragon" ? "Harbinger of things to come"? LMAO Nice fanfic bro
i don’t understand how mysaria knows the ins and outs of king’slanding when she was imprisoned in dragonstone not a long time ago and is basically cut off from any past life and connections she might have there. how does she now the atmosphere amongst the people, or when (day, hour) alicent goes to the sept to pray? also, sidenote: alicent, just take your own advice, do simply what is needed. nothing.
Jace is making wayy more moves and is running Diplomatic circles around the dumbfounded Daemon. Jace got the Starks, the Vale/Arryns, and the Frey's on their side and returned to Dragonstone with good news while Daemon is still wasting time at Harrenhal and the quarrels between the Blackwoods and Brackens.
@@weirdboi28yearsago Meraxes was killed in the first dornish war. Quicksilver was killed by Balerion during Maegor reing Balerion died of old age. This people already knew dragons could die.
@@franciscoramirez8588 the only form of history was in citadels or resided in the maesters, common people did not had knowledge of these, it was NOT common knowledge, for reference, about in 16-17th century europe (i think?) an street interview was conducted regarding common knowledge, different questions were asked but to give you an idea, a man was asked if he knew jesus christ, and his answer was "dont know and dont care as long as he's no customer of mine" so do you understand only internet made knowledge common? without it, within 50 years history would be forgotten, during the era of game of thrones ask the common people whoe aegon the conqueror was and see how many of them knew
My biggest complaint with this season is them fucking with aemond and daemons characters. Aemond was not some shady fuck trying to steal his brother throne he was solid in that way. His downfall is being too young and headstrong believing too much in his and vaegar strength over anything else. Daemon also is solid in that regard. I don't think the writers fully grasp Daemons character. They treat him like he's some two faced power hungry bumbling idiot that can't manage any simple task. That's not him. Daemon during peace time is chaotic as is his restless nature. As most warriors are. He's never wanted to be king or the responsibility of it. He only ever wanted to be valued above other houses. As is his station and valyarian blood. It's his family he wants on top but he knows he's not the guy for it. Which is why he's fiercely loyal to Raeynera and Viscerys. His approach to all of this is by far better in the books and I'm starting to get annoyed with the constant missteps the writers keep making. This is George's fav Targaryen. You would think that would come with some responsibility to do his character justice. Even last season adding in him killing his wife? Why? Lol what purpose did that serve. Stupid and pointless. Book daemon is a grey character restless in peace time but the guy you want next to you in times of war. Who loves his family. Show daemon is an evil treacherous fuck with no loyalty to anyone and a bumbling idiot that can't manage the simplest task on his own. What the fuck happened!? He also easily subdues the riverlands and is completely unaffected by Alys rivers and harrenhal magic. Which i always thought was bad ass. Wish we got that and they expanded on that. Not write a bunch of bullshit out they ass to stretch shit out...
Elinda sneaking in to Kings Landing wearing a bright red opulent hooded coat was a really stupid choice. Look at how everyone else in kings landing is dressed. It’s like she’s screaming ‘ I’m team black/red ‘. This was a poor costume choice.
I'm confused why Aemond is suddenly more of a monster to Alicent than Aegon...Aegon is a r@pist and Alicent tells him he's "no son of mine" after he did it....I get Aemond can be ruled by his anger but he admits, to himself at least, that what happened with Luc was a mistake
"The smallfolk kinda forgot about the time Meleys massacred dozens if not hundreds of them at the coronation. The ratcatchers, though? That was a true tragedy they won't forget anytime soon!" Team Black production crew are really hitting the copium hard, huh?
My first thought post episode was "god, I would look for a Stark name in those scrolls. 😅 I wonder if the Mysaria's actions will result in the ransack of the Dragon Pit?
lesson learned. even episodes are good and odd episodes are boring. with that being said. i assume episode 6 will be great. (i kept this in mind so i wasnt too dissapointed that episode 5 was such a yawn fest) 😂.
Ah yes, Meleys the beloved dragon who killed hundreds of people for "gurl boss moment". We could've had Sunfyre and Dreamfyre flying above King's Landing just like in the book and this sentence would've made at least sense. BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT WE GOT.
This is my favorite episode despite the controversial scene. Daemon and Aemond are mirror images of each other. The "scene" of his dream is simply a rendering of his great and terrible need for validation and the fact his mother played the lead role reinforces my opinion. Aemond is remorseless as is Daemon. They will both undo their respective causes. Lord Velaryon is growing on me. I always liked him. Self-made men are easy to admire but those devoted to their partners. I idolize. I feel for him, and I am eager for him to take vengeance.
Melys that beloved dragon, who flew over the city hundreds of times, and indiscriminately killed hundreds of smallfolk when Rhaenys had her burst out of the centre of the dragon pit... You'd think they'd be throwing a party!
team black forever, but aegon's "mummy" will forever make me detest alicent forever. yeah, he's a brat and is a no-good king, but still, he's still a son that needed his mom. and what did she do? she left him all alone. (also, seeing alicent trying to sit in aegon's sit, only to have aemond snatch it away from her was so dang satisfying)