My Dad has a 851 New Holland he bought new in 1978 it was just like this one but made a bigger bale, they are one tuff roller will bale anything. Great to see one still in operation 👍
I went from an 855 chain baler that I wore completely out to a Deere 566 with net, the net is super fast but is a real PITA when it gets frozen to the ground and all the sloppy crap that sticks to it and the trash you have left to deal with after. I sold the 566 and went back to a NH, a 678 autowrap. I can start a bale as fast as I want to ride the tractor. Belts are much less frustrating to work on than the old chains, I had an 851 before the 855, getting away from the floor chains and only having apron chains was a huge improvement, but eventually the 855 began to have tying problems like you speak of, and after a couple new airbags in the same season, it was time for an upgrade.
I lubed our 846 exactly the same way. Floor and apron chains got the used motor oil right after a days use. While the chains were hot. Must have been okay. I never replaced those the 25 or so years I had the baler. I did replace the roller chain on the left side. It drives the apron chains. I believe 3 times it used up all of the adjustment in the idler sprocket. I have a 648 auto wrap now. It will bale rings around my old 846. Wrapping a bale only takes right at 25 seconds. A very simple switch with a buzzer alerts you the baler is full. Also the wrapping process has started. You stop the tractor. A quick glance to be sure both twine leads have started. Second buzz. The process is complete.a quick glance to confirm the twine leads have been cut. Then dump the bale. Close the gate. Off again. No throttling back. No stopping the PTO.
I like your channel a lot. I get a real kick of seeing the vintage equipment you have and use. A chain round baler...I am sure ours went to Baler Valhalla (as much trouble as we had with twine, it may have gone to Baler Hell) in the mid 80’s. I never thought I would see one in action ever again, but then again I never expected to see an ear corn picker in action either.
I myself still bale with a 850 new Holland baler. One of the first models made. It is a 1978 model. Just baled 200 bales with it this summer. New Holland 850 balers and new Holland chain balers have buried more old Vermeer and John Deere balers then you could imagine . That is why they probably stopped making the chain balers cause they couldnt make a profit due to the longevity of them. Been baling with our baler 43 years. Most bearings are still original. Have only changed 4 in the years we have had this baler. Worse trouble now is they quit making almost all the parts for them. I had to have the drive sprockets custom made at a machine shop when they went bad.
That's because Case/International Harvester/New Holland all owned by FIAT now sucks as a company compared to before the Ford Tractor Division buyout of the mid-late 90's... I love my blue, but it's all been downhill since NH bought the company, and now it's owned by "Fix It Again Tomorrow" and they're even worse... Later! OL J R :)
@@lukestrawwalker Yeah you could be right on that I have no new, New Holland equipment. Just 3 old 850 balers. 1 is a parts baler. I am on the fence about buying a belt baler from New Holland. Still rolling with the 850s.
That brings back fun times. The 850 NH cachunka-chunking around the field. Always having to bolt the rear window open mid-spring for the manual twine wrapping handle that resulted in a dust layer 1" thick on everything. Having one arm completely wore out from cranking left to right 375 times per bale. One nice thing we had was two holes cutin the rear hatch over the chains for oiling from the ground.
The late New Holland chain slat round balers had net wrap. So I guess you could stick a net wrap unit off one of those and do the upgrade. I never personally dealt with net wrap so can't say how fun it would be to make work. Fun thought anyways.
Nice to see another person still running a New Holland chain round baler. We run a NH 850 alongside our NH 311 square baler. Not pretty but it gets the job done.
for what you do that baler will do you good for what we do it would blow up we rolled 1450 rolls in the first cutting we are getting close 2000 rolls now and we still lack 600 acres of second cut and a 110 acres of first cut doubt we get a 3rd but i am sure we will cut the fields close to the house a 3rd time great video we used to have one of those but it was long gone before i was helping
On oiling the upper chain, would it be helpful to paint one of the cross bars white (or any color) so it can be known when to stop oiling if you start and stop at that bar? Really good video coverage today, thanks!
That baler is an 80s design. The 70s had a rounded back and the apron chains could be lubed from the ground through small holes in the tailgate. We have an old 850 my grandfather a year before I was born.
Yes, the very last models could have net wrap. There was one for sale near me last year when I was looking but it was painted like a circus clown (wrong shades of red and yellow), and the guy wanted a ridiculous amount of money for it. NH chain balers are all but worthless in value even though they will bale fenceposts and boulders, and keep on running...
NH offered net wrap on the 855 chain balers at the end of production in the early 90's they are very rare as net was very expensive compared to twine. I have never seen one in person but there is one on tractorhouse currently.
The 855 Auto Tie is a very sweet machine! They are crude, loud and indestructible pieces of equipment! They have a modern style floor roller instead of the floor chains which always seemed to be the downfall of the earlier series for us.
Should always disengage the pto and turn the tractor off before going anywhere near one of those balers. The ram lock was the only safe thing you did. They pull hay in at 6ft a second, once you snag some clothing or go too close to the pick up, you’re already gone, trust me I know a fellow farmer taken in just over 30 years ago now, dead in seconds.
They're starting to move to a plastic wrap put on by the round baler over in Ireland , more for silage than straw, gives an extra few layers of plastic ..
Do you have a video of how to sting it? My dad just bought one we have never messed with round balers before so if you have one showing that would be great 😊
A foot or so of old round baler belting bolted under the drawbar of the tractor to push hay down away from the pin helps immensely and is cheap to do! OL J R :)
Hi at 2.oo mins you say sealed bearings and they drive you nuts we had some on an old Allis Chalmers Gleaner combine with sealed bearings that several went dry and failed so we had a look at them and found the seal is just a thin steel plate so we drilled a small hole in it right in the middle between the inner and outer bearing races size 1-2 mm or 1/16th -5/64 ths and used a chainsaw bar grease gun the one with the tapered tip and pumped grease in whilst turning the drive system by hand (combine engine turned off ) so as to get grease to spread around inside bearing and did them once or twice during the season just a odd few shots to top up I don’t think we lost any bearings after that hope that helps from the west country England
Boehm Farm Many did, ours was a super A 10ft cut and we knew of a lot around the county quite a lot where brought down to the westcountry from the more predominantly arable eastern counties
Yeah that or a grease needle is your friend! Our old Ford 207 disk and Caldwell hipper used sealed bearings. When I replaced all the blades on the disk back in the early 90's I bought all new GREASABLE bearings and new flanges with zerks on them for greasing them and converted it over. Dunno what IDIOT *ever* thought SEALED bearings running in dusty, wet, dirty environments under a HIGH load would ever be a good idea... just STUPID! The hipper used 2 ball bearings pressed in back-to-back in a cast angled housing to set the blade angles... the center race was like 1/4 wider on each side than the outer race, with a square bore for the disk blade axle which was about a foot or so long, with 2 blades and 2 spacers on either side of the bearing housing. They were sealed bearings too. Had a lot of them go out over the years, so I FINALLY modified the housings by drilling a hole in the back and installing a zerk, and as we put in new bearings,I started popping off the seals on one side and putting them back to back with no seals between them, so grease could get in to the balls. Imagine my surprise when I popped the seal off this BRAND NEW BEARING and found that they basically put ONE LITTLE GOB of grease in there about the size of the amount of toothpaste a kid puts on their toothbrush (like 2 frozen green peas!) to lube the entire bearing FOR LIFE. They don't even put the grease in between the balls or on the cage or in the raceway, no, it's right at the edge up against the seal, so the bearing has to get HOT and the grease melt and run down into the path of the balls to get spread around! It's just cheap almost clear kinda tan looking grease anyway, nothing of any quality or substance! Once I started pumping the annulus in the housing between the two bearings full of grease, the bearings started lasting for a LONG time... My advice is on ANY sealed bearing you have to replace, get a grease needle and ease it under the seats and PUMP THAT SUCKER FULL OF GOOD GREASE, because they don't put sh!t in them at the factory! OL J R :)
Have you ever had the baler block up between the pick up and the floor chains, my 851 does this when it just starts to roll the bale. It worked fine for years and then one year it wouldn't, I'm trying to bale oats because the contractor balers broken.
I have not. Sometimes in less common hays like sage grass, I'd have it ride up the web chain once in a while. But it's pretty well always started a bale without any trickery.
Nice video. Just never was a fan of the New Holland round bailers. We ran a Vermeer and I always thought its bails were tighter and looked neater than what a New Holland would do.
Lol. I never saw a Vermeer baler I would own our neighbors had them and we used to take our 850 new Holland chain baler and bake their hay when they broke down almost every summer or when their hay wasnt just perfect to bale. Lol.
@@leeroyexcavator9149 Yep IF you can get a Vermeer to START a bale, they're a great baler... BUT if conditions are not good, they won't start a bale. Had a co-worker hire me to come bale his ryegrass hay because his old Vermeer simply wouldn't start a bale but maybe once in about 10-15 tries... he got disgusted and called me to come bale it. Pulled in with my 40 year old Ford 552 (Gehl 1500) and rolled it all up no problems, never had a hiccup! Those old Vermeers used a "starter roller" with rubber flaps on them and I think his were shot. The newer Vermeers use stiff rubber pickup teeth to SHOVE the hay into the chamber to get a bale rolling-- either way, as soon as the teeth rubbers soften up or the starter roll gets worn they won't start a bale except in IDEAL conditions... and replacing all those rubber teeth every other season so they WILL start a bale is EXPENSIVE! The rubber flap starter rolls at least were cheaper to fix! I like how heavy a Vermeer baler is built, but that "won't start unless everything's perfect" keeps me away from them! OL J R:)
I just got the same baler, unfortunately it’s missing the twine tube and plate. I was wondering if you could send a picture of how the plate is mounted and length of the tube. I’ll probably end up fabricating the set up. Thanks, and awesome video!
Hi Walter I agree with you 100% that was a great camera shot inside of that baler. I hope you have been doing well. Nice to see you here at Jacobs Channel.
I run multiple chain balers. They made an 855 as stated an a 848 with netwrap. An 848 (same bale size as your 846) with net wrap ive been looking for years. I think id have a better chance finding a unicorn. Lol
I would be willing to bet which I don't do much of is that this chain baler would last you the rest of your life if you did this with your used motor oil once a month. Maybe not those sealed bearings but the unit itself. My question for Jacob is "can you regulate how tight you make your bales"? If you can then net wrap isn't as required as looser bales.
Looks very dangerous oiling the chains. Yes, I do oil the roller chains behind the side covers while running PTO on my NH belt baler. But crawling in while running with huge amount of moving parts takes the danger to a different level. I dont know of any chain balers running in my county.
Do you get many snakes or other small critters threshed into the bales? Are bales hard to clean venomous snakes out of? I would imagine a venomous snake wouldn't be any good for a herbivore to eat.
@@boehmfarm4276 I've seen a couple of videos with snakes stuck in square bales. I wonder why that is? Possibly something to do with getting immediately threshed into a square bale surface, if I didn't know any better.
@@DarkVoidIII Hay meadows tend to have rats/mice in them, and the snakes go there for the free buffet. They're not particularly smart and end up getting baled up-- stick around too long! OL J R :)
Don't know of anyone(manufacturer) building a 4x4 net wrap round baler. Maybe the old New Idea soft core models. That said, people have done more ambitious mods to things and I dont think it would be too hard to add one.
@@ghenry85 thats actually very helpful... we have a Hesston 530 that grenaded the pickup at the very end of first crop after 11 years, and were possibly looking for a replacement
Crowder wheels dont really help...a wider pickup than vale width is only way to go...just rake a foot wider than the bale width and youll have the sqaurest shoulders around
Just saying I've ran those old balers for years start the string and count to 9 really fast and just bump the lever only a inch or two and it will look like the automatic balers and only go across one time will make a much nicer bale than what you are doing
And just who do you propose selling those hay bales to after splashing used oil all over the baler? I assume you sell all your hay to the nearest oil fired power station because I for one wouldn’t feed your hay to any living organism let alone my horse.
Because belts on newer balers slough off rubber bits into your hay too, containing heavy metals like cadmium, and carcinogens such as styrene-butadiene, and benzene. So either way your horse will die of something.
Do you have a video of how to sting it? My dad just bought one we have never messed with round balers before so if you have one showing that would be great 😊
Do you have a video of how to sting it? My dad just bought one we have never messed with round balers before so if you have one showing that would be great 😊
