the Howell arms cylinder has a safety notch in the main portion which allows 6 rounds to be carried safely. the index pin locates the notch for safe use
He likely did not show you because of his manual of arms. If you have dozens of single-action revolvers, you treat them all the same and load 5 rounds in a 6-shooter. That way, you are always safe. I happen to disagree with him, but then that's another story. I still see old-timers shooting their transfer-bar safety single actions with 5 shots.
bison uberti I agree I would load six and use the safety notches if carrying it in a flap holster, however if in a cowboy open holster I may load five , depends on the situation,, lovely conversion,,
RyeOnHam you are right back in the day or going into a gunfight you need six , the modern colt clones for example the Ruger Vaquero are super safe , but a lot of the cowboys still load five,, , I suppose that's there rules at action shooting events,
Thank you for this video it really helped. I know a lot about new guns bout not much about the classics. I just got one of these with a conversion cylinder and was a bit confused on how to know where my empty cylinder was so I hadn’t loaded it yet 😂 thanks again now I can keep it loaded and feel safe
Cool thing about these revolvers is that you can buy the percussion revolver online and shipped to your door no questions asked then you can order the conversion kit and get it shipped to your house since it’s considered a part and then you have a fully functional revolver that fires center fire cartridges
Thanx for the video, hadn't seen a remmington conversion yet. The remington cardridge system makes it relativley easy to convert to cardridge. Realy love those remmington
Hello Mike i hope your doing great :) i've got a question for you about the Cartridge Conversions can they shoot 200 Grain Cowboy Loads? i'm just curious because i have a best buddy of mine his Dad has a Ruger Old Army Percussion Revolver i am interested in it and if his dad decides to get rid of it or sale it i told my buddy to remember me and he said will do instead of shooting Black Powder i am going to shoot and carry the Cartridge Conversion for both Target Practice Hunting and Defense around the Home
Did you have to do any fitting to get the cylinders to work? There are likely minor variations given factory tolerances and no two pistols will be exactly the same. I'd hate to have to start filing away at either the frame or cylinder to get it to rotate properly.
I am getting a 1858 Remington cap and ball and a cylinder conversion next month. My question, and I know it's silly, is can you first shoot your first 5 shots with cap and ball and just turn around and switch the cylinders out with the conversion and shoot your next five rounds all in one go?...or would there have to be cleaning in between the switching out the cylinders?....
On some of the stock photos I see or don't see a safety notch on the backplate. I wonder if that's an older backplate because the new photos on Taylor's don't have the notches anymore. Did it not work, was it just for show or did it cause problems?
Can I carry with the hammer down on a loaded chamber? Granted safety issues, but would it only be bad if I let the hammer slip or drop it or would walking set it off
I might have to get one of those. I'd like to use .45 Colt cartridges loaded with black powder. I just like the look of smoke coming from a gun of that kind.
The conversion cylinder you seems to have half-cocked notches so it could be carried 6 rounds, is this an older conversion? The ones I see for sale dont have them.
I know this is an older vid but I'm really curious about ammo. As soon as I can get my hands on LC brass, I'll reload but until then, I picked up HSM Cowboy loads from my mail order place. I cant find a lot of info on them but they seem to be loaded with some level of hard cast. Are these alloys safe for my Pietta or should I wait until I can load up my own soft lead rounds?
I have two, one for my Pietta and one for my Uberti. The Pietta one has a P stamped on it and the Uberti is unmarked...odd. Yours must be older models because both of mine have loaded chamber witness holes.
I used to have an Uberti 1851 navy and I had a new cylinder stop installed and the usual 4 clicks that a colt is supposed to make when cocked it only made 3 clicks after that but it aligned just fine and locked up tight so the fact that my Howell cylinder in my Uberti 1858 clicks 4 times instead of the 3 times with the percussion cylinder is irrelevant seeing that it aligns just fine and locks up tight
3:10 "turn in a clockwise direction and that's going to lift the hand up out of the way". I would say: turn in a clockwise direction *while pulling upwards on the cylinder with thumb and fingers*. You can see Dualist pulling it upwards as he turns the cylinder, as is necessary. And very fast and easy, just as he shows.
Can a BP revolver pistol cylinder be interchanged and safely fired in a revolver carbine of the same design year and caliber? For example can I use a cylinder from a Uberti 1858 44cal Remington pistol in a Uberti 1858 44cal Remington revolver carbine?
I noticed how with my Howell conversion cylinder in my Uberti 1858 it takes 4 clicks of the hammer when cocking to align it the chamber with the forcing cone instead of 3 clicks with the percussion cylinder. Is that a problem?
I checked the alignment with a .40 caliber drum jag and a dry patch inserted down the bore into the chambers of the conversion cylinder and I noticed no hindrance or obstruction at the forcing cone going into any of the chambers plus I checked it looking down the bore into the chambers with a flashlight
I have a question for you. I am planning on buying a conversion cylinder but not sure. I have a Pietta new model Army, Pietta 1860 Army and a Pietta 1861 Navy 36. Which cylinder works the best. I am leaning towards getting it for the New model Army but what is your opinion. Thank you
Mike, I just bought a Navy Arms 1858. Date code shows it was made in 1970. I would like to get a conversion cylinder for it. I am however getting some mixed feedback on Uberti '58s made before 2002. Some say the cylinders will not fit and some say they need to be modified. Is any of this true? Thanks in advance, Sonny
Taylor's sells a special tool for removing the ferrules and the firing pins from the conversion cylinder. Do the ferrules and firing pins need to be removed for cleaning the cylinder after firing?
No, the ferrules and firing pins on these conversion cylinders only need to be removed when they get worn out. That has been my own experience with them so far. I had to replace just one ferrule though.
I know this video is over a year old but I just recieved my cylinder and my cylinder pin does not fit. I contacted the dealer I bought it from and they had never heard of that problem. I dont know how long the Pietta brand has been around but I'm sure my 1858 is old, like 70s old. It looks unfired but has holster wear and patina.
What cartridges do you load in this revolver? I understand that the bullet has to be lead, but do you use a 44 special case with a lower amount of smokeless powder?
My Uberti 1858 is very tight out of the box and takes some effort to get both the percussion cylinder as well as the conversion cylinder into the frame. As my unboxing video posted on my channel shows I had to use a dry cloth at first to get a more firm grip on the cylinder to get it in the frame. Now I can use my bare hand but it still takes some effort at times
The hand is in the way. The trick is to insert the cylinder until it bumps up against the hand. Then, rotate it clockwise as you continue to push it it. That moves the hand out of the way.
I tried that and it helps a lot. Thank you sir. Should I be concerned about 4 clicks with the conversion cylinder but only 3 clicks with the percussion cylinder? Everything locks up tight and aligns well
As I said in another comment I used to have an Uberti 1851 navy colt and I had to get the cylinder stop replaced. After that was done it only made 3 clicks when cocked instead of the 4 clicks colts are supposed to make but it also just like my new Uberti 1858 with the conversion cylinder had great alignment and locked up tight despite the difference in clicking sounds
Thank you for posting this video. I’m going to purchase one of these type of guns and I don’t know anything about them. I’m an avid shooter been hunting and shooting all my life and wanted to try this. I’m looking at the uberti 1858 ? I’m a bit overwhelmed by the dates. Can you suggest a good starter black powder pistol, one I can use a conversion cylinder in. Thank you. I’m hoping to order one this weekend.
hopefully the court hearing went well mike, have you ever used steinel 45 colt in your conversions? they're out of ohio and i just got a couple boxes to try, they seem to have good reviews for antique guns and cowboy action
What is the FPS of the .45 LC ammo you're firing? Unberti (and Pietta) 'recommend' nothing over 850 fps. I was wondering if 920 fps might be okay.. in your opinion?
I would follow the manufacturers directions. You might get away with 920 fps for decades but you also might get away with 3 shots. I wouldn't want to put my body, as well as my wallet, on the line over 70 fps.
I have the Uberti 1858 Rem.. Bought mine in 1980. I had to widened the safety notches between the chambers sufficiently so that the hammer can rest in any one of the six, without contacting a cap. The cylinder will not rotate is the safety notches are properly widened. That way I safely load six, not five. There's no way the revolver can fire without the hammer being cocked. If you have the hammer resting on any empty chamber, you are safe. If the hammer rests on a properly milled safety notch, it is equally as safe. With either method, If the hammer is cocked, you are off safe.
Robert Rowlands he shoots competitively often times single action shooting clubs only allow you to load 5. It makes more sense that he would just always load 5
Mike, I have a Uberti Remington New Model Army. Purchased in 2017. Seems the Kirst Conversion cylinders only work with pre-2015 Uberti. Is there a reason for this and a work around?
I have a Uberti Remington new model that came from Taylor & Company that was already converted from the factory. 45 long colt just wondering if you had a load that you suggest for this caliber. The powder that I have is titegroup and Winchester 231 your comments would be appreciated thank you
But hey, you could still carry with six shots because it has those spaces between the cylinders for the hammer to rest. Would make for a killer CCW. Send em back the old fashioned way.
Hi Mike, you mention that they can handle modern smokeless ammo. Does that include reloads that are done to stay within normal pressures and FPS speeds? Also, can I utilize jacketed bullets, or should I stay with lead alloy cast bullets? Thanks, Mike, another great video!! Joe
The practical answer is “yes”, any reloads that are within SAAMI specs are safe to shoot. Legally, use of reloads will void the warrantee because Taylor’s has no way to control the quality of your reloads. Stick with lead bullets.
Can I also use 45 colt. I know I can use 45 long colt. Is there a difference in the two.I'm using the pietta new army Remington 44 ,with a Taylor and co conversion cylinder.
there really is no .45 Long Colt, except in popular parlance. The cartridge used in the Colt Single Action Army revolver of 1873 is the .45 Colt. The long Colt moniker came along to distinguish the .45 Colt from the shorter, hybrid cartridge the army developed to work in both Colt SAAs and S&W Schoefield revolvers.
I ordered one from cabelas and it shipped just fine to my front door. I love it and its tons of fun. Too bad cabelas doesnt sell the LeMat Calvary anymore. But thanks @duelist1954
@@andrewclark3649 The cartridge cylinder is made of steel that is fabricated and heat treated to withstand the pressure of a smokeless cartridge. The injunction against jacketed bullets is because the forcing cone of the barrel is still black powder quality steel.
I have a question. I have a replica 1858 Remington .44. I believe it is a Euromanufacture. I would like a .45 conversion cylinder for it. My concern is it has a brass frame, however I will only be firing black powder blanks. I am an Old West Reenactor and we use .45 black powder blank cartridges that we reload ourselves. Can I use the conversion cylinder since I will ONLY be firing black powder blanks?
The brass frames aren't historically accuracte anyway. But I suppose you could use BLACK POWDER cartridges through it only, although I would just stick to the original percussion cylinder configuration. Or you could just buy a steel frame one instead and fix all questions.
Buy a new hammer, you can find them online and on Ebay, though some people may try to overcharge you. That, or depending on how it broke, you could probably try weilding it back together. Or if the hammer still works, just a important part fell off, like the little spur that you put your thumb on, you can always just file it up and change the shape so it looks better.
Diktator Alexander chances are ill get the new hammer but if i ever did get the original it would be too pricy how ever i know a guy who can make the appearance look like the original
I just realized what is wrong with this conversion, the cap cylinder has a hammer rest between cylinders, so it is safe to carry. The conversion does not, so you have turned a six shooter into a 5 shooter.
And I take it if you use smokeless you don't have to clean it as much And I guess you don't have to do a complete tear down as much though I probably only do a complete tear down every couple months
QUESTION : FBI background check is not require on black powder revolver .....I do understand ! BUT WHEN YOU MAKE THAT CYLINDER SWAP ? IS IT STILL LEGAL IN ALL 50 STATE ? ........ANYBODY KNOWS THE FACTS .....PLEASE SHARE ? THANKS
it no longer is a muzzle loader .. so must be registered, i am not completely sure , might be a loophole somewhere but if you get caught with it somehow or having to shoot someone ...you have an unregistered firearm
I made the bad mistake when first getting into this. I loaded up 45LC with 60gr of BP. No added anything for the air gap! Don't do this! 40 grains is enough and put in a filler or use Trail boss.
I was lucky. Too much powder for one thing. 40gr would have been plenty. What CAN HAPPEN WITH AN AIR GAP! You have a PIPE BOMB! Could loose fingers or part of your hand. Never ever leave an air gap with black powder. I usually put a small amount of pressure on it. Especially with my 577/450 Martini Henry rounds.
