This is XMG from Germany. We are happy to answer any questions about the laptop platforms seen in this video. We'll try to be verbose and straight to the point, so please don't hesitate to *ask us anything!* // Tom
Very nice video, content and presentation. As you said never put you laptop in a freezer coz once you take it out of the freezer moisture would start quickly condensing on the active components of the motherboard and can cause an electrical failure. Many warranty schemes don't cover such failures.
@Nero Augustus I need to know too. It almost certainly won't touch AMD Ryzen 7000, much less 6000, 5000, or 4000, but given OEMs seem to be given the Intel bribe money this year, we as consumers need to know if Intel made their CPU even SLIGHTLY more efficient. Because if they didn't, I'd suggest most people buying a portable laptop wait for 2024 or get a 2022 laptop with AMD Ryzen, because what's the use of a laptop that can't even pass 4 hours of LIGHT USE battery life?
Will XMG release a 17 inch laptop under 2500$ with 100% srgb etc. quality screen, full keyboard, RTX 4070, only one power block and with quality sound as good as Ultra model ? There is no such PC on the market. Since almost 10 years, all speakers shipped in laptop are very poor... And when they are decent, it's overpriced, screen/keyboards are too small, image quality is bad or there is no graphic card... Thanks
@@MacA60230 Since these two CPUs have the same lithography and number cores, I wouldn't expect much difference. It also depends on the tuning settings of the LOEM. The PL4 value (which represents extremely short bursts) may play an underappreciated role which can be set by the LOEM. Currently, we don't plan to launch 13th Gen "H" series because are much commited to the new "HX" series in the first wave of products. The "H" sample that Josh is testing here was a bit of a one-off for us. So we haven't put much attention to fine-tuning the low-load power consumption of this CPU yet. I have to defer the question to a later point in time. Between "H" and "HX" series, we expect about a 10% impact on battery life in favor of "H". XMG NEO 2023 will have 99Wh batteries to compensate this. // Tom
10:16 Fan noise could be even less with the Neo 16 with the liquid cooler, and this will probably help with the competition at 12:18 haha, maybe we'll need to go freezer + liquid cooler, or straight to liquid nitrogen!
I ordered the Asus g18 with a i9-13980hx and a 4080. It's replacing my 1st gen i7 which scored 1,100 in cinebench multicore. I think I might notice a difference.
It is kind of impressive how well Intel competes still stuck on 10nm FinFET ("Intel 7"), but they really do need that fab shrink now. If they were all on equal nodes I don't doubt Intel would be the uncontested leader, but TSMC N5 and soon N3 are decent leads.
Node’s names are more marketing than a reliable measure of performance. The size of a transistor varies and what is known as 5 or 7 nm actually is not constant when comparing different companies’ transistors. Intel 7 is actually a denser node than TSMC 7 nm
i stumbled upon this researching for a new laptop and i gotta say; you're an absolute madlad for putting your laptop in the freezer and i admire your dedication to the craft
Wow! That multi-core Cinebench R23 score is insane! My 13700k is only a smidge faster at around 31000 though it pulls 250W! It stays the same after a 10 min run due to better cooling, even still I'm astounded!
Thank you for releasing these scores. It helped me come to the conclusion that both Intel and Nvidia are offering high performance gains over the last generation but only on the highest end. Seems to be the norm. Not many will be able to afford the 13900hx in a laptop that is paired with the new 4090 upon release (guessing over $5,000 usd). Crazy that the 12700h is only a 100 points off of the 13700h. Is it the same processor with a higher boost clock and better cooling?
The only difference between 12700H and 13700H is the move from Golden Cove to Raptor Cove on the P-Cores. So it's a slight archictural change. The performance difference needs to take power consumption into account. The comparison with Dell XPS in this video did not specify the power consumption of the Dell machine. In an apple-to-apple comparison with identical power limits, we see in our internal tests about a 10% uplift from 12700H to 13700H in Cinebench multi-core. This is in line with the fact that it's merely a new core architecture with the same "Intel 7" lithography and the same number of cores and threads and the same L3 cache size. // Tom
Based on MKBHD's M2 max review, seems like it can achieve over 2k single and 16k multi core score in benchmark, which is basically on pair with 13700H in balanced mode, with presumably much lower TDP and not to mention form factor, so comparison with the new Macs would be very interesting! :)
And that too with the Macs not being plugged in. I'm sure if we unplug the intels and test, it'd be half of that power (supposing that it can even complete the test with it's diminishing battery)...
@@agnisaha4996 msi raider ge67hx oled laptop with Intel 12 gen i7 12800hx scores 13800 in cinebench r23 multicore on battery power which are on par with m2 max r23 scores. It scores 20k when plugged in. You can watch jarrods tech channel for this laptop. Best channel for all laptops reviews in detail. It is the best of laptop of 2022 for video creators, 3d artists, gamers and all.
@@DavCro watch ben g kaiser RU-vid channel. Galaxy book 3 Pro 360, galaxy book 3 ultra running on battery power, unplugged are faster in video editing than MacBook pro m2 pro. Even galaxy book 3 pro 360 don't have nvidia GPU still faster. Ignore his davinchi test as he is using free version and only studio version has media engine support in Windows.
@@DavCro 13 gen laptops are already faster than apple m2 pro or max chips running on battery power and also has almost same battery as MacBook pro. Watch moore's law is dead RU-vid channel, meteorlake laptops will provide 2 to 3 hours more battery than m2 pro MacBook Pro but way better performance. It has 2 times faster igpu performance than 13 gen iris xe, L4 cache, Intel 4 node with EUV, VPU(AI accelerator) and av1 encode.
It is a great comparison. But this comparison is relevant for only 2-3% of people who do gaming or very heavy content creation. It would be much more helpful to test machines which are being used by ordinary people doing regular task like running accounting software, using spreadsheets, attending zoom calls etc. most important things for me in the order of importance are: 1. battery life, 2. Aspect ratio (how much information I can see on my screen on spreadsheets, documents etc.), 3. Display quality, 4. Fan noise 5. portability, 6. Special software features 7. Great sound quality (Note: Macbooks does fulfil most of these requirements but doesn't support the softwares I use which run only on windows. Using Parallels is not feasible as that does not give same comfort as windows machines running natively supported software. Closest I have seen in windows space is Galaxy Book 2 Pro 360 barring its aspect ratio and display quality.) Would love to hear back from you.
Firstly, the guy has like a dozen other videos that would be right up your alley, why choose to complain on this one; I'm pretty sure if the primary reasons for buying a laptop are "accounting software, using spreadsheets, attending zoom calls" then you shouldn't have clicked on this video to begin with, any $600 laptop today can do does flawlessly, you don't need a gaming laptop for such.
@@rayw8252 yeah ive actually put xmg bios on and now underrvolted a lot more - i think i got lucky with silicon as ive got some pretty high scores in all benchmarks
I finally received and tried out my Asus G18 with the intel 13980hx and RTX 4080. Right out of the box without tweaking anything it scored 31,838 on Cinebench multicore. There was a bios update to 308 and it allowed an undervolt to -80 and with that setting I ended up with 33,091 in cinebench multicore. It scored 18,700 in 3dmark Timespy. Overall it is a very fast machine and I'm quite happy with it.
Great video Josh. With these new generation of laptops about to come out what do you think is the recommended processor and gpu I would need to run cad programs like solidworks? My priority is to keep it as thin and light as possible without compromising on usability of the program.
It would have been interesting to do the test of the 13th Gen on battery power also. M1 and M2 provide same performan a plugged or not.... But PC cpu are know to loose most of their power while running on battery.
This was helpful and technical. We are now educated. I remember putting my laptop in the fridge due to it overheating and forgot about it. That's how my laptop was damaged.
Water/moisture is the #1 enemy of electronics. #2 is heat/cold cycles, making matter expand and contract. Higher voltages than normal are also dangerous, will degrade the electron path. High current can also cause damage to components.
I love this video. I think in Australia XMG goes by Aftershock PCs and their laptops are great as well. It's the Clevo/Tongfang Chassis with great mechanical keyboards and other benefits.
@@samuilz2228 well 10 months later and I still haven't gotten a new laptop I guess I opted for a ROG Ally and a MSI dock with monitor and external keyboard and mouse for my setup but I think I will look into getting a new laptop next year when I see what the options are hopefully able to get my hands on a 4090TI or whatever they name their new laptop gpus ... I'm definitely getting a Asus ROG Zephyrus Laptop was looking at the M16 but might save up for the next iteration since they just released a teaser for it yesterday.
The 12700h can normally get 18500 in cinebench r23 and 17000 in stress test in the Acer predator so my next upgrade will have to be i9 to see any real benefit as you said
Why can't Intel seem to get battery life under control? I mean, I use my laptop on the go, and 3 - 4 hours of battery life for light tasks just isn't cutting it anymore... I'll probably wait for March, but if no 16 - 18 inch AMD Ryzen 7000 laptops show up, then I'll probably skip this year.
perhaps you have not yet understood that the problems are the optimization of Windows to be improved and above all the dedicated GPUs ... which consume so much ...
but you have to consider that to make the battery last longer you have to change various settings and disable the dedicated GPU and everything in energy saving
even desktop i9 13900k scores 27k cinebench r23 and 2200+ single core at 80 watt limit and also undervolt -0.03 volt which is little bit faster than 5nm tsmc amd r9 7950x.
I feel like we but a lot of weight into quick, 1 cycle CineBench scores. Yes, its fun to touch a 30k short score by hittiing150 watts...but if you run this for just 3 min, that wattage will drop to half thar power.. The "real world" scores are more like 25k-27k.
I saw a video of yours previously talking about laptops for programming/game dev on Jarrod's channel and just wondering what you think about the new Samsung Galaxy Book 3 Ultra that was announced. Plan on grabbing one potentially for studies at Uni this year. I'm doing a game dev degree so good CPU/GPU is needed. The laptop would have a 13700H, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD and a RTX 4070. Plus a 16:10, 2880x1800 screen. Of course it's gonna be fairly expensive when launched around the £2.3/£2.5k mark but want a good companion to my 5950x/32GB RAM/RTX 3080 desktop for work on the go.
The Intel 13900HX is an amazing Laptop CPU, Hell we already have a 14900hx and the 13900hx is barely over a year old. Overclocking is not even necessary as the CPU clock goes towards 5.4 automatically. Only problem is man oh man the temps, even dropping voltage all around barely changes a thing. Although it isn't a deal breaker as I know it's a laptop CPU so cooling is always going to kind of suck. The i9 13900hx is one of the best CPU's I have seen come from Intel in years.
I was thinking of doing this but this depends alot on the individual laptop. Resolution of screen, brightness, other components that draw power, battery size. So I thought i'd leave it for individual laptop reviews or for when I have 2 of the exact same laptops but one with 12th gen and one 13th gen, so I can see the difference
@Just Josh Still, with Intel CPUs seeming like a monopoly on 15 inch and larger laptops this year, we NEED to know if these 13th gen Intel CPUs still have very poor battery life.
Seems like mostly in 13 or 14 inch laptops because I think Intel paid OEMs again. Somebody needs to do some investigating, because this seems like some monopolistic crap.
Hi Josh, the Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro 14ACN6 I recently bought has a tendency to go extremely hot when there is poor ventilation when being used. I wonder if this is something every other user experiences or it is just my unit.
I have the M1 Macbook Pro (13 inch) that I got around 2 years ago, and hence won't be buying a laptop anytime soon. But it's great to know that there have been good improvements from both AMD and Intel. Hopefully, my next laptop (which I will likely buy in 2026 or beyond) will be much better than my M1 MBP by a significant margin, especially on the Windows side.
I just received a Mech-16 GP with the RTX-4080. Installed all the drivers, in the order described on Eluktronic's website. Set everything to performance settings including the control panel set to "Beast Mode." My cinebench multi-core score isn't able to break 12K points. I'ld sure like to know how others are reaching these publicized 20K-30K cinebench scores because it currently feels like I received a turd in comparison.
@@JustJoshTech Hi Josh, no I haven't created any custom profiles. I've just selected the Eluktronics "Beast Mode" profile at this time which doesn't show any of the setting values. Really uncertain what to enter for values as a good baseline starting point in creating a custom profile at this time. Any suggestions of where to get some recommended adjustment settings? I'm pretty inexperienced in this area to be making blind adjustments. 😄
@@JustJoshTech I worked with Eluktronics tech support who was very responsive. After some troubleshooting diagnosis, we were able to determine the laptop was defective out of the box. It seems either the power supply or battery was defective, where the performance was being capped due to insufficient power delivery. I had to send the laptop back for repairs. Unsure how I feel about the situation at this time, since they communicated they would be repairing it. I purchased a "new" laptop, which was defective out of the box and now I'm waiting for it to go through diagnosis and "repair" procedures. I understand these type of things can happen but now feel I'm waiting extended time and purchased a refurbished laptop where I would be much more pleased if they sent me a new replacement after they receive the laptop back.
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What a time to be alive when a cpu consumes more power than a dedicated GPU. We are evolving backwards, efficiency was a age old term. Why can't Intel release 5nm and why can't AMD release enough 5nm chips. AMD chips are directly sold to hand held console market.
Hey Josh, as a developer using Windows for years now I'm desperately looking for the perfect Laptop - it should be SILENT like the new Mac Books, with the same CPU Power. Anything else I couldn't care less, as it's plugged to my curved screen most of the time. Will 13th gen come to the rescue, or do I really have to jump ship and switch to Macs? Thanks! :)
@@HDRPC Wow, on heavy load, an MSI with similar specs will last not more than 40min, what's your point? I already knew that from M1 Max Watch Luke Miani.
@@AzVfL if we run shadow of the tomb raider on both laptops at same setting and at same frame rates both will last same. This is my point. GPU will consumes 50 watt and CPU 30 to 35 watt in any 13 gen laptops while running SOTR game as m2 max cannot go above 100 fps average so for proper testing we have to lock frame rates to 90fps on both laptops and then check battery life. Both will perform similar in battery. We can also check this in any 4060 or 4070 laptop. RTX GPUs need more power but they gives better performace per watts than apple silicon GPU. Watch jarrods tech video of Asus scar 15 2022 with i9 12900h which scores 13300 in multicore, 1918 in single core cinebench r23 using silent mode at 45 watt. Yes these scores at 45 watt and 12 gen is on 10nm. This year meteolake is also coming with 50% more performance per watt improvement against Intel 13 gen laptops. Everything is confirmed about these cpus. Twitter leaker 'OneRaichu' have confirmed everything.
This was a super early review before we were allowed to test the GPU or before the water cooler arrived. Please note, as my memory serves, the water cooling loop mainly cools the GPU. I don't have the laptop with me right now though
for multi core performance 13th gen i9 intel cpu smokes m2 max cpu by twice as fast, but for single core performance m1 and m2 chips are still faster 1.5 times faster than 13th gen i9 chips.
@Ravi Verma no they're not. Not everyone has the space for it and not everyone is glued to a desk 24/7. Theres alot of value in having that much power in a portable form factor
@Ravi Verma i know. People who buy laptops need portability. What do you not understand? Clearly there's a market for powerful portable pc's and thats where laptops come in.
even desktop i9 13900k scores 27k cinebench r23 and 2200+ single core at 80 watt limit and also undervolt -0.03 volt which is little bit faster than 5nm tsmc amd r9 7950x.
@Muhammad Ehtasam yes 100% surprised to se i9 13 gen review of hardware unboxed recently. Intel just have shrink node of their chip for better ipc gains and low power usage while doing single core tasks then we can get best battery or almost on par with best battery laptops. 13 gen is already best efficient chips on a laptop for multicore tasks even efficient than m1 pro in multicore tasks. Soon Intel will regain performance per watt leadership as they are going to give insane efficiency jump in single core also with huge ipc gains.
@Muhammad Ehtasam yes watched unboxed of Intel 13 gen chip. It is most efficient laptop chip ever on a laptop for multicore tasks but mac is better in battery due to best single core efficiency. Intel is on 10nm and meteolake laptops are coming this year with new 7nm node and next year lunar lake again new node and i am 100% sure they will get best battery out of their chips soon due to excellent efficiency in single core as they are already most efficient in multicore tasks.
Thats when you max it out. When you max it out you're very likely working at your desk or table at home. I find myself using my laptop 80% of the time at my desk at work and lets say 20% at my desk at home. Maybe a couple % on my bed or couch but thats about it
In the real world it’s much more about efficiency than benchmarks and that’s where many Intel equipped OEMs struggle to give their laptops acceptable cooling, throttling, fan noise and battery life, especially in the thin and light segment. Outside of gaming and a few other use cases, who really needs +50W TDP and all the accompanying issues for tasks that can be smoothly achieved with 28W or even less? And even P series Intel laptops have the fans running when all you’re doing is a Zoom call or watching a movie. If AMD could actually supply their laptop chips to OEMs in useful volumes, Intel would have a big problem. Luckily for Intel, they can’t. Let’s see how long their luck holds out.
even desktop i9 13900k scores 27k cinebench r23 and 2200+ single core at 80 watt limit and also undervolt -0.03 volt which is little bit faster than 5nm tsmc amd r9 7950x.
@Agni Saha msi raider ge67hx oled laptop with Intel 12 gen i7 12800hx scores 13800 in cinebench r23 multicore on battery power which are on par with m2 max r23 scores. It scores 20k when plugged in. You can watch jarrods tech channel for this laptop. Best channel for all laptops reviews in detail. It is the best of laptop of 2022 for video creators, 3d artists, gamers and all.
even desktop i9 13900k scores 27k cinebench r23 and 2200+ single core at 80 watt limit and also undervolt -0.03 volt which is little bit faster than 5nm tsmc amd r9 7950x.
Meh Intel requires insane power draw to reach those scores. Apple Silicon is far superior. This video is also obsolete as M2 Pro/Max has faster single core than Intel. Lmao.
Firstly, Intel only needs 55W on the 13950HX to achieve a score of 24,000~ in CBR23, so no, they don't "require" insane power draw to achieve respectable scores, the M2 Max only scores just over 14,700~ in CBR23 @ 35W which in comparison isn't that good. Secondly, not sure where you're getting M2 Pro/Max having faster Single Core performance when the results we have so far have Intel scoring 2K+.
@Agni Saha msi raider ge67hx oled laptop with Intel 12 gen i7 12800hx scores 13800 in cinebench r23 multicore on battery power which are on par with m2 max r23 scores. It scores 20k when plugged in. You can watch jarrods tech channel for this laptop. Best channel for all laptops reviews in detail. It is the best of laptop of 2022 for video creators, 3d artists, gamers and all.
@@WeatherxCalipha max tech and all apple fans channels are disgusting, annoying and doing shenanigans. I Watched jarrods tech video of Asus scar 15 2022 with i9 12900h which scores 13300 in multicore, 1918 in single core cinebench r23 using silent mode at 45 watt. Yes these scores at 45 watt and 12 gen is on 10nm. This year meteolake is also coming with 50% more performance per watt improvement against Intel 13 gen laptops. Everything is confirmed about these cpus. Twitter leaker 'OneRaichu' have confirmed everything.
@@WeatherxCalipha even desktop i9 13900k scores 27k cinebench r23 and 2200+ single core at 80 watt limit and also undervolt -0.03 volt which is little bit faster than 5nm tsmc amd r9 7950x.
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