0:26 Please note the memory with my 155H is actually 32GB LPDDR5-7467 2:21 The LPE cores don't actually help in all core multicore load. They show as "parked" in cinebench, so multicore improvements must come down to IPC improvements, considering the clock speeds of the 155H are lower.
that is kind of unfair since amd only has upto 6400mhz or 5600mhz in most gaming laptops would you also like to compare it with gpd win max 2 it has 7500mhz
@@warriorsfg They are an incredible step up over previous intel iGPU but I am not convinced they are much better than the 780M, we would need testing at different power limits and with more games. Wait for further reviews of gaming benchmarks
Other channels have shown that 780M performance is _really_ depending on memory speed. I expect the same is true for ARC. And this laptop had quite fast RAM, so I think that's what made the difference.
@@perekman3570 But it's AMD's fault itself not providing higher memory speeds. Anyways, the fact that Intel's IGPUs come even close, rather beat them of AMD's is an absolute win.
Confusing only for low iq people like you. At least Intel Core Ultra is really new arc unlike Amd milking fanboy like you with fraud refresh arc but with new name.
The iGPU improvement is exciting, though I wonder how much power it consumes. Maybe the lack of battery life improvement is exactly due to higher iGPU power draw? Then it's possible it would improve with driver updates.
The lack of battery improvement is due to the chiplet design, the interconnect wastes energy. In theory both the main CPU tile and GPU tile should shot off when you are only watching youtube but apparently that's not the case.
@@lharsay It's not the same kind of interconnect AMD uses so it's not going to use the same amount of energy. It should use less energy than AMD's Infinity Fabric which not ONLY requires the transmission of data from one die to another, but on the IOD is the main multiplexer for the Infinity Fabric which is constantly using power. My understanding of Intel's MCM is tiles are pushed next to each other and there are direct connects between the tiles. Direct connects means power consumption during data transfers, but not a constant power draw to the degree a multiplexer would have. To see what's happening you'd need to either own the laptop or wait for a thorough review where a person can give a lot more details and actually look at what cores are being used under what workloads. Also, the Windows thread scheduler might not be completely ready even though it's good enough for a laptop to release. So it's way too early to say how this is going to work out until a lot more detailed info is released.
The cheaper U series will get 50% cut down GPU cores, last gen didn't cut down the GPU cores so badly for the budget models. The i3 1215U sill had 64EU iGPU while the largest one in the top i7 and i9 models had 96EU.
Let's see the performance with the stock 6400MT/s RAM in the retail units. Reviewers got pre-production units with much faster RAM (around 7500Mt/s), that's not what you're going to get in the store.
I like this chip for handhelds, but I really need to see those lower TDP values before getting too excited. Seeing how it performs at 10-15W will mean a lot
Ya, Intel is almost there for handheld fight. I still think amd will knock them out with whatever custom chip they make for the next steam deck again though. Valve clearly won. The last chip literally wasted 15% of the die for the VR set supposedly(if I understand correctly). Steam deck oled basically sealed the deal (supposedly removed the VR wasted section if I understand correctly too). Unless you want to spend more on a niche handheld (I like the mini oled handheld, I'd probably still spend to get that) steam deck is way too far ahead now.
Any comment on fan noise with these new chips? Many users are fine with the performance of the current chips, just not liking the battery life and fan noise. Do these new chips activate fans less?
2:28 I severely doubt 2 cores that are even slower than regular e cores would provide a 13.5% performance improvement over the 13700h. And in fact unless I'm remembering wrong the LPE cores shouldn't even be doing anything in Cinebench, they're firmly for background task type things and should never get involved in heavy lifting. This improvement likely mainly comes from improvements to the P cores and E cores rather than anything else.
2:15 This is quite weird or interesting. Based on your previous videos (power scaling) at 40W, 12700H scored 12494 while 13700H scored 12230 (I didn't swap these up). Meanwhile in this video, at 28W it seems 13700H much better. I suspect new Intel 7 Ultra node fixed the Intel 7 bad at low power scaling, at higher power both basically the same. Unlike Raptor Lake-S (and HX) desktop, the Raptor Lake-H only node difference, no changes in L2 or L3 cache at same core configuration. Edit: Something went wrong with these videos, i7-12700H at 28W only scored 8693 while your previous videos (power scaling) i7-12700H at 25W scored 9190 and at 30W scored 10473. I hope you read this and double scheck the score or explain what happened.
There is nothing to double-check and there is no need to explain something - that video is sponsored by Intel, I guess. So Intel wants to show us, that the new generation is better. How to make that? Easy: just lower a benchmark score for the previous generation (and AMD's as well).
You can't really fairly compare the results between videos, but regardless I can't explain it, the results are what they are and are accurate. My best guess is it's a mixture of silicon lottery / power curve varying between laptops / despite a similar power limit set in software perhaps there is something to one laptop being thick with a massive power brick and the other being the opposite. The differences you're noting are small and in my opinion don't matter at the end of the day.
@@riki_tiki_ti Any benchmarking result difference is common and have reasons behind it, I believe nothing faked here. Whoever the sponsors is, it won't affect the results especially from credible reviewer including this channel and many others like HUB/GN/etc.
This improvement in integrated graphics potentially means students who also game a little bit won’t have to choose a gaming laptop with dedicated gpu and can just use a notebook that will decently run a few games
Yeah thats basically what laptops should be aiming for in tech. More thinner and powerful. Legion has been doing decent with slims, ofc u have the zephyrus and blade but those are still gaming laptops. We need a macbook but windows + gaming that would be the dream!
Bro how little time did you have to test this machine? Only 3DMark and Shadow of the Tomb Raider as GPU tests? And you couldn’t even download the new Geekbench ML test for AI/ NPU workloads?
Think people are looking at the 155H and 13700H battery life chart the wrong way. While they practically had the same battery life when accounting for the new larger battery, this test was with them both at 28W. So then go back to the R23 test, the 155H is 13.5% better in multi-core than at 13700H at the same 28W. Ideally there would've been a larger performance gain than that, but the efficiency improvement *is* definitely there. Those LP-E cores aren't being used in Cinebench to my understanding
They shouldn't be used, but I don't think Jarrod would be misleading us. there is allegedly a way to force them to take part in some apps, but normally, they should be only for very light workloads.
But there were no performance gains at the restricted wattage on all three laptops, so where exactly is the improvement if you perform a scientific test like this. Remember, ASUS increases the battery size to tease better efficiency, but the reality is smoke and mirrors.
@@andyH_England How can you say there are no performances gains at the restricted wattage? The 155H scores 13% in higher in multicore when each laptop is restricted to 28W. So there is obviously a performance per watt improvement happening somewhere. To get a similar score on the older chips, you'd need to increase the wattage and therefore decrease battery life from what was shown here
@@andyH_England To my understanding of what Intel has said previously about the LP-E cores, they are only used in low power states like running the display and 1080p video playback. The LP-E cores are housed on the SoC tile and used when the compute tile (where all the other cores are) is turned off to save battery. That's why I said in my original comment that I don't think the LP-E cores are being used in Cinebench
Hi jarrod i really need a help to decide which laptop i go with: 1- asus tuf a16 advantage edition R7 7735hs, RX 7600s, 165hz screen 2- asus tuf a15(2022) R7 6800h , rtx3070 , 144hz screen They both with the same price in my rigion and I'm wondering which one i pic. Does the screen of a16 that better of the a15 Or should i choose the better performance of the a15 Please give me some help I'm a student and i need it for gaming video editing, movies.. Which one suit me.
Would prefer the 2nd because (if you play on it) the 3070 is significantly better and I don't think the CPU has much of a difference. Hope I could help you.
Umm.. should i buy [Asus tuf gaming A15 fa507xi( 7940H + Rtx 4070)+(1440p +165hz)]=1767$ or Asus ROG Strix G16 G614JV which have 1200p + 165hz and 13650HX and rtx 4060=1722$
Will there be any significant improvements in FPS in games with dedicated graphics cards? Like if they add these CPUs to a laptop with an RTX 4060, for example. Will it be worthwhile or should a previous generation suffice?
With dedicated GPUs there will rarely be a difference, as usually the GPU is the limiting factor. And the CPU part of Meteor Lake delivers very similar performance.
Jarrod, NPU are highly likely DSP that for decades process images and sound find some robotics vision, drone vision typically integrated in FPGA's + ARM or MIPS; also relied for targeting in smart bombs, sounding as in petroleum field reconnaissance, other sound I am fairly certain they are just DSPs so said Neural that is more than LLM identifying every next word and much more than sight and sound stringing complex frameworks together to deliver some result. mb
Thinking of getting this one for my wifey, with 155H/32GB/1TB, 2.8K OLED being the key here as she is into photography and some video editing. Myself I got the EliteBook 835 G10 7840U/32GB/2TB Samsung 990 Pro with FHD which is sufficient for me, but business class matters more, running Opensuse Tumbleweed (linux).
That's because Intel is losing, not because we've stopped. But we are indeed going to be done with huge power leaps, not only because AMD doesn't feel pressured from Intel (but is from Apple), but because we're going to be stuck on 3nm for a while, until the foundries learn to go below 3nm reliably.
@@demistr7435and you have the 8000 series which is just a rebrand of the 7000 series with a higher clocked NPU. It’s AMD’s version of Raptor Lake refresh.
2:15 This is rather disappointing. My ROG Ally (Z1 Extreme) gets 13337 pts in Cinebench R23 at 28W, which is 19% better. I was hoping Intel would catch up with their new architecture. The overall slower single core speed makes it a really hard buy.
Anyone could tell me their experience with Asus Rog M16 2023 in the US from Best Buy? I bought one during black friday and after a couple weeks it just turned off on it's own while plugged one day and I cannot turn it on anymore both plugged and unplugged. I read a few reddit posts about people having similar issues even after replacing the laptops but no solution. One person faced the same issue on 5 replacements back to back before returning them for good. Is it a thing for the M16 2023? I could ask for replacement but if it just keeps doing that with every replaced model then there is no point.
Wow, they were not kidding about the improved igpu! I'm guessing the graphics will end up absorbing most of the energy efficiency gains. The U series will probably have crazy battery life gains over the higher power h series.
wish i could get one (or at least even a 3050) but sadly i cant which is a real shame especially since a 3050 cost like $1000+ AUD while its like 700USD for americans
@Jarrod, during continious load, was the Asus Zenbook only limited to 28W or it was going higher? Some of the other reviewers mentioned that it was settling down to around 32-33W.
I think he probably didn't double-check the package power readings, also here i7-12700H and i7-13700H Cinebench scores quite suspiciously weird compared to his other videos (I made a comment recently).
As I say, I could not use software to limit it, so technically PL2 for a few seconds was at play with the 155H, boosting to 50W+ and thermal throttling for a short period of time. It deifnitely sustained at 28W after that short boost, though. These sorts of things should not really matter given the Cinebench test runs for 10 mins.
Thank you for being one of the only people to point out that to compare apples to apples you have to put them all at the same 28W setting. Everyone is screaming at how underpowered the 155H is, but it sounds like it's doing mostly as good or slightly better than a 13700H for 62% power.
It's weird that the Core 7 Ultra feels like a successor to the Intel P series rather than a new H series processor even though it's names is the same as the H series moniker. I hope Intel would have better naming scheme than this. Still if this is the performance of the Core Ultra parts, I hope they have better improvements for the standard 14th gen H parts. It feels out of place somehow seeing how good the 28W parts are but not the 45W-55W parts as the increase in performance is negligible.
Just coming in to say THANKS! I picked up one of the core ultra 7 MSI laptops and after mucking around with it for a few hours, realized it absolutely did not serve my needs. HOWEVER, using your gaming laptop deals page, I was able to find an amazing ASUS ROG Zephyrus with a 4070 in it for the exact same price as the MSI that disappointed me. I'll be returning the MSI and sticking with the ASUS. Great info, and great links to great resources. Thanks!
You claim AMD is only releasing HawkPoint(8040) in 2024, but conveniently leave out that in 2024 AMD is alsi releasing StrixPoint(8050). Also, while we need to wait for reviews HP looks to have a slight CPU/GPU uplift that will keep it closer to MTL in graphics not to mention that Arc drivers are not that good and many OEMs will stick a 4050 with it just so they don't have to put an Arc sticker on it. Otherwise I think this was a good review and for the right price I thunk that MTL will make for a decent pick for some.
Soo, if 12700h and 13700h were not limited to 28 watts, they would beat the new CPU? Battery life is not better than 13700h and GPU performance as Ryzens. So much hype and eventually 💩 Considering its slim laptops, I want to see how Ryzen rivals it.
This kind of architecture should work very well on my workflow. My laptops are on 24/7 and much of that time are available for remote control + 2 open browsers, so basically very low usage. If the ultra low power cores are up to that, the efficiency should be crazy good and no heat at all.
I just read the comparison on the Phoronix website and was looking for a similar comparison on windows platform. So, when are we gonna get a proper benchmark comparison on this?
This makes me wonder if we start seeing arrow lake hit desktops with the same type of cpu design will we see the same small increase in cpu performance as here but a big leap in igpu performance, which to me isn't as important in a desktop since I'll always run a dedicated gpu
As someone who's usually on top of tech, even I'm getting confused with all the new cpus, I gpu capabilities etc, and which ones are for desktops, laptops, handhelds/mini pcs etc.
I still don't understand the position of these chips in the lineup. Are these replacing the former H chips? Or the U variants? Or are they a middle ground between the two? Will there be a Legion 5 with Core Ultra 7 155H next year, for example?
It's a change of the lineup all together. If anything, former H class is dead. New H class replaced P. There's only 1 SKU that'll be H-45, which is the 185H.
If I am not wrong, Intel plans to continue the HX lineup into the 14th gen with refreshes - similar to the desktop 14th gen. The new Core series replaces the H series though
They are replacing the H and P series. The Alder Lake-N series (0P+8E cores) Raptor Lake-U series (2P+8E cores) and the Raptor Lake-HX series (8P+16E cores) are here to stay for one more year.
Hey, I am in desperate search of videos that are about the Dell G15 Special Edition, it has a Intel Core i9 and an RTX3070ti. You would be very helpful if you could make a video about that laptop. Thanks
Hi guys, I was planning to buy a gaming laptop, on the Lenovo website there is a promotion for a Lenovo Legion Pro 5i with i7 4070 32 GB of RAM and 1TB of SSD, it's priced at 1700 euros, what do you think?
you can have the most power full igpu on paper however if you don't have the drivers to support said igpu you have nothing more then a paper weight of an igpu and intel is not really known for driver support.
Hey Jarrod, have you ever used any windows laptop that feels as good to use an m1 mac air? Like the keyboard and trackpad, i am looking for the most comfortable to use meteor lake laptop when they are released.
Hey Jarrod, I've been looking for a big 17" Laptop with good speakers to act as a thin client to stream games from my actual PC, it doesn't actually need gaming specs itself. Is there anything you can recommend?
I feel like by the time gta 6 comes out to pc, the 60 series rtx will come out or at least be revealed.. we are getting a 50 series release in 2025 tho?
i know it won't probably get answer but hi recently i bought asus rog strix g16 (rtx 4060 fhd 144hz display) and there's deal with same price on asus tuf a15(ryzen 9 rtx 4070 qhd 165hz display) the tuf has one less fan and im not sure does it worths refund and taking 4070 and qhd over build quality of strix any thoughts?
Bro i need a piece of advice as i am planning to buy rog g16 i9 rtx 4070 or should i wait for 14th gen laps please rply I'll be waiting i prefer gaming what laptop would u suggest
How did you go? I'm buying a Rog Strix G16 with i9 14900hx CPU, 2TB storage, 32 GB ram and 4070 GPU. The 4080 is too expensive and Meteor Lake processors are not worth it right now. I also like the Lenovo Legion Pro 7i, it's very good but decided on the Asus due to price (it's on sale in Australia)
Hey Jarrod! I have a question. Lenovo legion 5i pro (2022) Specs: i7 12700h rtx 3050 ti 2560x1440p or asus tuf a16 (2023) Specs: r7 7735hs rx7600s 1920x1080p what do you think which one is worth the money? They have same price!
Jarrod. Waiting forna deep latency review from this new intel cpus. I am afraid that for real time audio will be very painfull to get an stable streaming.
anyone know if the Latest Arc GPU`s are fine for basic 4K editing in like Photoshop/premiere/AE for normal vlog like content/basic titels/color corrections. No heavy 3D stuff and or tracking etc. I don`t want to spend alot and build a desktop. and the RTX laptops are either very pricey or gaming laptops. I don`t want a rainbow AF laptop, more like sleek HP spectre/Dell XPS style stuff.
why you didn't compare them all with unleashed power? a real review beside what you did could help to see what can be gained and what will be lost and in what cost.
@@JarrodsTech Yes, you explained, but a real full power review can also clearly show the difference between these CPUs. Imagine comparing that 13th limited CPU with 20W M3. that can't be fair, right? so it's the same story for core ultra. it would be awesome if you could add unleashed power of those 2 cpus as well
Well it's good for customers that intel is catching up in terms on iGPUs and energy efficiency. More competition is always better! 🎉 Too sad AMD 8000 is just a refresh though. But I guess for gaming handhelds it comes down to the drivers 😬
Is AMD 8000 in shops already, as you write "is"... or is it coming? Intel i99 955 moon gold destroyed AMD 8000. I prefer to keep speech in products available for purchasing.
I'd really like to see the difference between the new intel and new/old ryzen in terms of battery life maybe this year intel laptops finally get on top of the 2024 battery laptops? one man can dream
Hi i need help choosing proper cpu and gpu combo for buying new gaming laptop to avoid bottlenecking Can you please give me gpu combos for i7-12700h processor for a FHD and 1440p display Also can you please separate gpu intensive and cpu intensive combos for me
Hello jarrod, i have a question, i have a gaming laptop that has adaptive sync in its screen, but unfortunately i dont have mux switch or optimus, will i have more fps if i buy a monitor with adaptive sync?
This is so much worse than I thought. I was expecting an overclocked raptor lake with double igpu performance. These are already incredibly low expectations than what I had before, but clearly my expectations should have been lower. I see that there is a regression in Single core performance compared to even Alder Lake. This is a complete disaster of a CPU.
I kinda want to watch the comparison between 155h and 1260p/1270p/1370p. 12700H has more cores/threads than 1270p, so I assume 12700 is still the better one even in low wattage.
Jarrod, all that it's ok. But honestly, I want to see 12th and 13th with 45w+ against 14th gen at max and know about performance comparisons. It's clear 14th is more efficient, but hide (or don't show) real performance comparisons... Is not the way. Specially for a channel like yours.
The only disappointment is Amd because they will still milking fanboy with the same architecture and same radeon too while Intel gonna release gen 15th with Battlemage based gpu.
@@runninginthe90s75 yeah idk about that one, chief. 2025 will probably see big upgrades on both sides. I’m all for the competition though, so as long as the consumer gets good options from either one then I’m happy.
@@Exotic-9780 strix point is just paper launch like every amd cpu. Even right now amd laptop with radeon 780m is still rare. Strix point will be ready in 2025, while Intel at that time already release gen 16th.
If you care about games more the version with 4060 if editing and you need better processor the 4050 variant with Ryzen 9 7940hs. If the laptop is tuf gaming then don't buy the 9 7940hs(I really don't know if this version exists but whatever) because it overheats so that is not good and the 7735hs 4060 is like the best because you can do 3d modeling and play any games on max settings on 1080p if you want laptop for 1440p I would say that 4070 would be better.
