Core Ultra: Intel Under Performs ... Again 

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In response to AMD and Apple, we at intel are proud to announce that our 10nm process will now be renamed to Intel 1 nm. This is a 10x improvement on paper and marketing material!

They over promised and slowly walked back when they realized it wouldn't be an M1 or Zen moment. That's why OEMs were mad at Intel. OEMs did work hard finding a spot on the market for this thing though.

The problem with modern day mass computing for consumers is this: You are stuck having to choose between a miserable user experience with fan noise, heat, and short battery life with windows laptops, or a miserable user experience with macOS but having no fan noise, no heat, and great battery life.

I appreciate you for putting your conclusions upfront! And I watched it all the way through anyway.

@Just Josh, those graphics results are a tad suspect. Do you know what ram MSI and Asus supplied with those laptops and what speed were the modules clocked to?

i like how Josh just says things straight to point and doesnt shill, he just speaks it as it is

Meteor lake looks like a step in the right direction, while it only closes the gap a bit, it paves the way for future generations to built on an actually viable architecture and be a match for Apple and AMD once again.

It seems that showing 110°C CPU temps is not a software fault. Looking at Intel ARK site, T junction max for Core Ultra processors has been bumped from 100°C to 110°C so it can actually touch those temps.

For the iGPU bench, what is the memory configuration/timing on the Meteor Lake ? for iGPU the memory differences are a huge change, f.e. a Radeon 780M on 5600 DDR5 vs a 6000 DDR5 is quite a bit different ... so comparing the results without the information being present is misleading ...

Hi, love your videos. Two things I’ve noticed though. First one is the battery graphs show remaining battery instead of consumed battery, which, despite being better for visualization, don’t linearize well for comparison (For example, a computer with 30% remaining battery didn’t spend double the energy as one with 60% remaining, despite one value being double of the other, which affects comparison). Another thing I’ve noticed is you don’t show processor efficiency while doing lightweight tasks such as media consumption or browsing, which, for most people, is what 90% of their time using the computer’s going to look like. I’d say efficiency while doing lightweight tasks is WAY more important than at full load, so it would be nice to have those numbers.

Would you recommend this new zenbook 14 with meteor lake for photo editing?

For the battery, wouldnt it make sense to test it for normal usage scenario rather than a fully loaded test ?

@Josh, great analsysis and you actually considered a lot of factors in a scientific way and combined them to provide a better understanding. Just a complain, the comparison between Radeon 780M (in Pavilion Plus 14) and the Arc igPU in ZenBook 14, I think is a bit unfair. Pavilion Plus is pretty conservative in Power curve and only provides around 25W sustained and 28W Max whereas as per your review, ZenBook was pulling over 50W for shorter time and then keeping it over 30W during long run. Can you please do a comparison, restricting both at same Wattage, may be using the Legion Slim 7 and limiting both to 30W?

What an excellent video! I learned all I needed to keep up with Intel's latest without any confusion or waste of time. Thank you!!

Good Video, very in depth, thanks. I don't think you stated anywhere that these chips are made by TSMC for Intel?

Check the prices. These laptops are priced decently, and are specced with sufficient ram and disk space. The MSI is 1400 usd for a 32GB, 1TB config, that is nearly half of similar specced MacBook m3, if it had same performance as M3 it would be a massive steal. The concerning part is they are not able to get to the same perf even if they wanted to. But for a lot of people 1400 usd for a laptop is a lot more in reach.

I watched 3 different reviews of meteor lake all use the same laptop with the same cpu core ultra 155H but each have different battery life. The poorest battery life I saw is in this channel while hardware Canucks got the highest battery (20hours). Which battery mode was used when running battery life test here ?

Hi Josh nice video. I have a question: is legion slim 7 8gen (AMD) a good laptop for computer science ? if not any suggestions. Thanks

Was the fan noise measured on performance mode? If it’s on that mode I would want it working as hard as possible to cool it so I wouldn’t mind the noise on that mode

I was out for a new laptop for software development and you have no idea how stressful Intel and AMD confusing models were. Add to this the availability in the markets around the world and combining other configurations like RAM size. I could never find the configuration I wanted no matter the compromises I made and I couldn't get to an i7 32GB surface laptop. Finally, I got myself a mac and paid the extra price although I love Windows so much :'(

CPU IPC is practically indistinguishable apparently, from Raptor Lake. No wonder OEMs are upset

I'm allergic to laptop fan noise. Completely unacceptable unless the computer is running under sustained load. Biggest weakness of my 9500 xps is the fan is always running, my 5520 latitude under full load has a barely perceptible fan noise.

I dont think comparing the H series CPU to other U series cpu isnt the full picture. Could you also include the ultra 7 155U?

Great review, thanks!

Great points about power usage!!! intel should have shown meteor lake running silently. That would have been better then trying to push it ftw

Great video, thanks for attempting to explain the naming convention!!

the balance mode some time out perform the performance mode.

I have Intel CPU laptop that's 5 years old and still does everything I need. RU-vidrs think everyone need a Ferrari performance. Battery life, on the other hand, was never good so that could use improvements.

Can you please do an update with benchmarks when new drivers become available? thanks

Thanks for the coverage! Really appreciate this review as I'm interested to see where intel's going. Side note, weirdly enough I had to resubscribe to your cool channel for some reason. YT might be doing some weird stuff again.

Could you do another evaluation? There have been a lot of updates since the launch of the Core Ultra. I suppose that many updates were significant since the Ultra is a first-gen product, and I'm interested in knowing the impact.

Cant wait to see how proud userbenchmark is of these processors.

The fact that you get to the point is why i love this channel . My best wishes for you sir

Are these benchmarks done on battery or plugged?

There's at least one change to the P-core architecture compared to Raptor Lake if Wikipedia is accurate -- they doubled the L1 cache per core to 64KB. L2 cache remains the same, except that apparently each cluster of four E-cores now only gets 2MB, not 4MB. Very odd if true. According to some Intel slides, the E-cores have improved branch prediction and IPC. They also claim the P and E cores give "improved feedback" to Intel Thread Director. I don't have an Intel PC with P and E cores, so haven't run into any situations where tasks are running on the wrong type of core. But I know others have, so hopefully there's some noticeable improvement here. Though part of the problem seems to be Windows not really explaining to users what different performance profiles mean.

I'm really excited to get a MTL laptop.

I didn't see the M3 between Graphics score?!

For a civil engineer, what laptop do you recommend? I look for a long battery life and it does not need to be connected to use its potential. I would like a MacBook but many programs are not compatible with IOS. please help

which one i must choose between.. MacBook Pro 14 m3 16 GB 512ssd or MacBook Pro 16 m1 max 32gb 1to ????

thanks for the upfront summary!! gonna keep your channel in mind for future. (i rarely every comment also)

From the gaming comparisons I've seen despite doing much better in timespy, the 780m either performs better or is inky slightly behind. I'd assume it does handily win in productivity since Intel has a track record of being great, in that category.

Oh bro.... I just bought the 13700h zenbook 14x. is it still worth it or I should get the new one instead?? (I use it for coding)

Is this new zenbook 14 worth getting over the old one?

Very small differences between generations from Intel Apple and amd. Everyone's just making space on the chip for ai processors. Same cores same igpu etc.

Can we get a review on Maingear ML laptops

im still learning in the field of laptops so i apologize for asking, but can its performance be improved with updates for optimization?

Why you compare mtl vs m3 pro and max and not M3 ? Max and pro are comparable to HX intel and not MTL

Any info on intel 15th Gen for Desktops?

I've seen tests for M3 chips reaching 108 Celsius under load, comparable to the chips you tested. No wonder you forgot to include them alongside Core Ultra in the test. I can agree it's not revolutionary, but still an impressive upgrade over last generation of Intel chips.

The Arc GPU is a great upgrade, and I am curious what other software (especially creative photo/music/video) takes advantage of the A.I features. I knew the battery life and stuff wouldn't be too much an improvement, but I think it's impressive given that Intel 4 is still on a 7nm node (I believe). For that, it's actually quite impressive. On the desktop Intel is definitely still leading the X86 market, mostly because they can blast power efficiency out the window for raw performance lol. On laptop, I'm looking forward to them continuing to catch up in manufacturing process, but as a creative person I think the neural chip will actually be used a lot by the likes of Adobe, Black Magic, Affinity etc.

Wow Josh, an exclusive, great!

2024 is a computing fun. But I'm more excited for Qualcomm Snapdragon X elite laptops than AMD/Intel's - underdog contender.

We need videos of DJ Josh.

Happy New Year, Josh! While everyone is partying, I am getting intoxicated on tech videos, which sounds quite pathetic as I am typing these words (young kid at home; don't judge me :). I was wondering, did you happen to catch Matt Moniz' recent video about a substantive performance increase of these Meteor Lake chips after some bios update? I understand that obviously a bios update is specific to the laptop OEM, rather than Intel, and so Moniz' bios update would not affect laptops other than the sku he was testing (not sure how well explained that was...or maybe I'm just missing the point); but still, if there is some performance increase after an update, perhaps it might be worth revisiting your conclusions posted here? Anyway, hope all is well. I enjoyed your recent live stream and appreciate your answering my question there. I'm excited for the future of your channels.

the chip wil build on 2 nm prosesor there the geting the perfomance winst in

Yes yes, but the question i have is what genres did you DJ at Arc?

josh please which one i must choose between.. MacBook Pro 14 m3 16 GB 512ssd or MacBook Pro 16 m1 max 32gb 1to ????

Which bios for the Asus zenbook. Apparently Intel fucked up with the release firmware. 10% uplift on the new bios according to other sources

2:27 : I don't know why, I feel like the rebrand isn't as confuse as I think. Well... maybe I'm too smart or already well adapted, I don't know. I only watching or seeing that repeatedly, I feel familiar

Btw Arc has been known to be much better at Timespy than it is at gaming.

Wish the video playback goot the same nigh macbook levels of idle performance that browsers did from what ive seen in other reviews (one i saw had 21hrs of battery life with meteor lake with a 75whr battery). High usage loads i typically do when plugged in anyway on laptops so if those idle battery life improvements were as dramatic with video playback too as they were for browser surfing i could very much live with that to not have to use mac os. Anyways it does seem like intel is tightening their requirements for laptoop manufactuers to not gouge you on important specs like battery size , number of ram channels or screens because not only are macbooks way more efficient, they typically have significantly larger batteries than windows laptops do until ofc u get to the masive windows laptops that almost always max out the 100whr travel limit that the 16 inch macbook pro also does anyway while typically being way smaller than most besides the premium laptops that actually finally stop gouging you on battery size and do the exact same things apple does to get a 100whr battery in that form factor. If u want an atrciously bad example of this my mums near $1500 17 inch laptop thats like 2.5mm thich has a 40whr battery while ive seen multiple 14 inch laptops at like 1.5mm thin with 75whr batteries on windows and my mums laptop is literally 12th gen so its like 2 years old, battery density does not improve very fast for that to almost even matter at all lemme tell you. Just pathetic key hardware gouging that i hope intel is cracking down on more this time around.

5:25 I am a fan of computer tech since the amiga 500 and I never ever heard anyone saying he wants his device be better/ more performant for AI. But till the apple m-series I never heard anyone not complaining about battery

Thanks for the straight talk, directly to the bottom line.

An excellent presentation on the new Meteor Lake chips. I would buy a Meteor Lake laptop with exceptional battery life in a heartbeat. I use Windows devices for business purposes and do not understand why Intel cannot make chips which rival Apple Silicon.

I feel from the results that the 7840U is still the winner here. Longer battery life even with a smaller battery, more performance per watt... iGPU is truly a big step up, but I worry that in games the 780M will still be beating it despite its Timespy score being lower...

Never had any issues with the previous naming convention

in terms of naming i think no one can beat SONY, yes i'm looking at the 1000xm4 and the xperia 1 ii 😅

The thing is that porting the P-core aquitecture to a new process node, that is Intel 4, we should expect increased performance, at least from increased clock speeds. That it didn’t happens, is sign that Intel 4 is botched (not surprised).

completely agree with you. If big business would swallow their pride and clean out their ears and actually start listening to the little people......

That's what I call a comprehensive summary. Thank you!

I hoped for more from Meteor Lake, but still, this seems like a decent upgrade from Intel which hopefully sets the foundation for future improvements. I do wish that RU-vid contributors would stop with the constant MacBook comparisons. The MacBook Pro 14 (M3 Pro 11C) is $2599 if upgraded with comparable RAM and storage. The MacBook Pro 16 (M3 Max 16C) is $3999. Should they really be compared to $1299 (Zenbook 14) and $1449 (Prestige 16) laptops? Beyond that point, many users must have x86-64 compatibility (drivers for devices, etc.), or must have Windows and would find running Windows on Arm as their primary OS via virtualization on a Mac to be an unnecessary inconvenience.

Thinking of getting this one for my wifey, with 155H/32GB/1TB, 2.8K OLED being the key here as she is into photography and some video editing. Myself I got the EliteBook 835 G10 7840U/32GB/2TB Samsung 990 Pro with FHD which is sufficient for me, but business class matters more, running Opensuse Tumbleweed (linux).

Be aware intel’s existing ARC GPU’s perform better in 3D mark than they do in most games.

Jeez. I hadnt realized how powerful Applw silicone is until i saw these graphs. No wonder people are freaking out over them.

WTH, Josh I just got an Asus Zenbook 14X (Q420) the one with the i7-13700H but only integrated graphics card 4 days ago because of your recommendation. I had been making the decision to get this for 2 months and now there's a new Asus Zenbook 14 with the new Intel ultra chip just few days after I got this one. When is this new laptop gonna be available for the consumers? I think I made the wrong timing especially I also want to do medium gaming on a laptop but I don't want to compromise the display, portability, and the design. The display is my most favorite part in this Asus Zenbook 14 lineup becuase it is just so good AAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHH I'm feeling the regrets :

Meteor lake are only rebranded Raptor lake and 155h have 2 threads more

Cannot wait until Josh gets hold of Snapdragon X elite is going to eat ML for breakfast

Would be interested in a similar review for the Qualcomm X Elite which seems to move the Windows platform in the direction of the Apple M Series processors. I think when they launch later this year, they will bring M1 (maybe M2) level devices to Windows which could start to bring better battery life / performance to fanless designs that stay cool. I expect AMD will still be best in 2024, but hope Qualcomm starts to bring the experience benefits they have to phones to the laptop market.

“AI” is the new 3D.

Thx for comparing AMD and Apple chips as well, good move there!👍Intel has made a right step forward but it's clear it can't match latest Apple chips.

Can NPU be used to discover if computer is being hacked? or be used to help a student solve math homework?

Great reality check with specifics - thx

Great test and summary

1:05 lol where are you looking at in this frame

So, for the ultrabook chips, the CPU is a nominal increase in performance, but hopefully improved efficiency for increased battery life (TBC). The new ARC GPU significantly improves the ancient 13-Gen, but it only catches up on 3-4 years of woeful iGPU performance. My best take is better late than never. AI marketing is the strategy to sell when the rest is underwhelming, and only time will tell if that adds up to more than background blur on your webcam. This closes the gap on the M3 chips, but they remain chasing Apple's shadow on this gen, at least as far as the ultrabook chips are concerned.

As a feedback, you should test actual games to conclude the performance of the new iGPU. Running 3D Mark is a poor representation of actual performance.

why does most last year laptops use intel if it sucks in power and efficiency?

stability is the key here for business. lots of headaches with amd platform.

Abysmal integrated graphics have been a thing with Intel processors since time immemorial so it's really nice to see them taking a major step forward in this area.

Price difference is incomparable to M3 max or pro.

Meteor Lake P cores are essentially the same IP as Raptor Lake. None of your tests would show off the benefits of the LPe cores, all you did was run the laptops at full load which is not where the power improvements on this chip are suppose to occur.

I think it looks great. Almost a best of all worlds at least in Windows world. Best IGP in Windows, lower substrate idle power than AMD, almost the same single core performance as Intel last gen but at much better efficiency, better multicore and efficiency, the LP-E cores for idle parking, and this is before the new AI features. Not matching Apple performance per watt yet, but that's what Royal Core is for.

I just bought a new Asus Zenbook with Core Ultra 7. I have to say I have been very impressed with the laptop and the CPU inside. Battery life is actually very good. the iGPU is quite good on paper and with some significant driver improvements gaming has gotten a lot better since this review was done. 4K video playback from RU-vid while streaming over WiFi was about 13 hours. My Geekbench 6 scores were easily better than an Apple M3. Finally doing some light Python programming and fooling around with the NPU, I was able to run a Llama LLM model with very little heat and fan noise since the software was taking advantage of the NPU on die. I think the main problem was that Intel's and their OEM partners didn't have the software ecosystem fleshed out at launch. That seems to be a recurrent problem. But the fact is with BIOS, OS and driver updates the platform has improved a lot in 5 months.

Intel is going for efficiency as AI eats power, it's a play to get enterprise market share back. The big gains should be in their server line I suspect.

Hold Ur horses it's the very first iteration

The Zenbook should have been compared to the Air, which is closer in price. A M3 Pro or Max is not a fair comparison. The person in the market for the Zenbook in this video will not cross shop a MacBook Pro. They might cross shop an Air though. The price difference is too great. It really isn't fair to compare a $1,300 laptop vs twice as expensive or more MacBook Pro (price will depend on the type of Pro or Max chip used)?

please review X1 Carbon with Ultra Core 7 pleeeeeeease

Should I wait for the meteor lake or just get the 13th gen laptop, I don't think this new gen is worth it

Thanks. Josh. Simplify product stack = Customer is not confused = Profits lost. No going to happen soon with intel. Apple is selling end product laptop = different circumstances