The reason I subbed to this channel many moons ago is because you gave people on a tight budget a realistic idea of what they need for a decent gaming rig, and you still do. Something that I've yet to find on another channel. Kudos to you sir ...
LowSpecGamer used to do that but he has hidden all his tutorial videos to upload tech documentaries. Which still great videos, but i didn't see the need to hide his older videos.
I would also strongly recommended a channel named pc builder for the best performance/budget builds. It’s the best channel I have seen for that by far.
say me pleas where u buy lga motherboard ddr5 under 150 because this motherboards with ddr5 rams is cost so much,am4 mt ddr4 50 bucks now u can buy gpu for 100 more ddr4 rams Patriot PSD416G3200K 40 bucks budget build with rx6600 turn on csm and u get best performance for money im not talking about best pc but cheapest for money for performance
@@RubyKaneki he probably uses ddr4 for budget builds, because with ddr4 zen 3 is only a few percentage points behind in performance (I would get amd for best budget and Intel ddr4 for midrange/creators)
@@w04h ofc, but alder and raptor lake scale with ram speed quite good. Ofc i3s don’t have insane differences, but with i5s there is at least a well measurable delta BUT ddr5 is literally twice the price for roughly 5-10% more performance… So for people that build high end or „future proof“ I recommend getting Ryzen 7000 with ddr5 so you can have speed AND cpu upgrades that are meaningful xD
@intro: I believe the Celeron and Pentium brands have been officially discontinued by Intel, no? Or was that only for mobile chips? And thank you for still benchmarking GTA V, it is very useful for comparing stuff with older benchmarks of different products, and for comparing real gpus with integrated graphics.
4 Cores, 8 Threads, Boost up to 4,5 Ghz. This is entry level today. Just imagine - a few years back, exactly this was top of the notch. My i7 7700K is literally the same specs, only that it is 14nm and not 10nm.
Yeah, the i3-12100/i3-13100 would actually be the fastest gaming CPUs of 2016-2017 by a mile if they were released back then. The i3 processors mop the floor with the i7-6700K and i7-7700K, with 30% to 35% stronger single-core performance, multi-core performance comparable to an Ivy Bridge Xeon with 12 cores or a first gen Ryzen with 8 cores. I still have a PC with an i7-6700K and it generally performs well considering its age, but my new system with the i3-12100F is in its own league of quad-cores.
The reason why you are seeing slightly higher performance on 13100 is that it boosts to 4.5ghz Vs 4.4ghz in the 12300. As stated below it's exactly same CPU as 12th gen, so intel could have called it 12350. But they called it 13100 to capitalise on the launch of proper 13th gen parts. The general public needs to be more educated on this fact.
the fact of the matter is that intel delivered on this gen an excellent product lineup for most people: 13100, 13400, 13500. I find it less confusing that they use a newer gen, as long as they always state that the product is basically an improved alder lake, which they are doing. People are sleeping on the low end, and AMD hasnt delivered anything near intel's level in decades because their architecture starts scaling well in +6-8 core configurations
Nice, that's pretty solid performance there, it's remarkable to see how the i3's have evolved over the years. A few years ago, the i3's with 2 cores and 4 threads would never have performed anywhere near like this level. Even older i7 CPU's with 4 cores and 8 threads were nowhere near this level of performance. I look forward to your 13400F video in the future, as I remember that you praised the 12th gen i3's and i5's regarding their performance. I would use one of these CPU's myself if budget was a limiting factor (but I'm going to use the i9-13900K when I build a PC).
i3 is becoming the new i5, i5 becoming the i7 and the i7 becoming the i9. And its only going to go up from here. I3 in time will have 6-8 cores/ threads
10100/10100F is still decent but you have to lower the settings on some games to maintain 60 FPS, Elden Ring in particular seems to be very demanding on the CPU on anything higher than the medium preset for some reason and you definitely won't maintain 60 on Cyberpunk 2077 unless crowd density/slow HDD mode is set to low/on. The IPC increase in 12th/13th-gen i3s is pretty insane and IMO will keep running newer games at high settings + 60 FPS for years to come.
I've had an i3 12100f for about 6 months now, after my old i5 3470 system died. I'm impressed so far. The motherboard will also allow the 13th gen too, which I'm pleased about
I just got my brother's old gaming rig I5 4790k and RX 580 still runs everything really well. I am probably going to be upgrading CPU and Mother board ion a year or 2, but the GPU is staying for a bit(plays all the old games I need mainly) until I can get a good deal on like a 3060ti or 6700 or maybe even 7700 from AMD.
Same cpu and same time with it. Love it. Although it's better to buy a better 13th gen cpu in 4 or 3 years. like a 13600k and that'll work for even more 4 years
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior it was an 11-12 year old system that I got given by a friend 6 years ago. It was a pretty low spec pre-built with some mostly used upgrades. I salvaged the ram for my son's pc and will use the SSD again.
Dude the stock cooler is terrible. I was instaling a DODI repack game (Cyberpunk) and it was hovering around 83C and spiking up to 96C and throttling like crazy. I canceled the install and tried again after installing a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 and it hovered at 53C, never got about 57C, and of course never throttled. The stock cooler is garbage. DODI and Fitgirl repacks are very CPU intensive to install because of compression, fyi.
The 13500 is the one that looks the most intriguing to me. It has the same p/e cores as the 13600k and the same amount of cache just with slightly lower clocks.
Careful, the 13500 is apparently based on the older alder lake cores (with refreshed production process) and won't offer the same amounts of cache sadly. Edit: apparently only 11.5MB Vs 20 MB of L2 Cache
I have the 12100F and it's really good for a CPU that cost me 110-ish£ and I made a good budget build out of it. Great vid! Edit: If anyone is interested what's my build it's this: i3 12100F 16 GB 3200 MHz T-Force Vulcan Z RAM GTX 1050 Ti (I will replace it for a Intel GPU when I get a chance) 120 GB SSD (with 2 external drives for games) Thermaltake V200 TG RGB and a 700w PSU I had lying around Edit 2: My mobo is a ASRock B660 Pro RS (I forgot to include in the list)
@@mjdevlog I bought the 1050 Ti (brand new from Manli) during the shortage lol and it was surprisingly cheap BC I needed a GPU so I payed 190€ to get this card
@@gabbythegamer79 Yeah but that thing is a beast for it's price (kind of). I didn't expect it to run Yuzu emulator smoothly but turns out it does deliver!
I'd be great to compare them to the last 4 core flagship i7 7700k or the last Ryzen 4 core.. don't even remember what that was. It'd be interesting nonetheless!!
I'm one of those with a 12100F and a 3060 Ti. Well I built my 12100F system in 2022 February and kept my GTX 1070 at the time and only managed to upgrade to a second hand 3060 Ti in 2022 September. For me this pairing is about right since I play on a 2560x1080 Ultrawide monitor tho only 75 Hz/FPS capped at the refresh rate. I don't play competitive games at all and in singleplayer games I just crank the settings up and this way I'm still most of the time GPU limited at 95-99% usage, currently playing Cyberpunk with the Digital Foundry's tweaked settings + RT Reflections/Lights on Ultra with DLSS Quality between 50-60 fps on average which is enough for me in singleplayer games. At some point I might upgrade to a 13400F but for now I have no need for it to be honest as it runs everything I'm playing or planning to play/backlog games.
so glad you got one, i’ve got my hands on a 13400 arriving soon and i wanna see how it stacks up edit: also pentiums and celeron s are officially gone, replaced with the “intel processor” branding.
@@RandomGaminginHD You should compare it to Ryzen 4 4500 6 cores 12 threads and is like 25$ cheaper but worth price , would those extra 2 cores & 4 threads make it worth it ?
i3 13100 is like the i3 10105, they just raised the clock speed quite a bit, Intel would have been better off adding at least a couple of energy efficient cores and it would have been just a great budget processor. The i3 12100 was a real breakthrough in performance. we are waiting for the budget decision of the 14th generation... but meteor lake is postponed instead of it there will be a raptor lake refresh 😥
It could be possible to get 60fps at 1440p on those games with that setup, you should test that against the 12300 and the nearest competitive Ryzen CPU.
I got an i3 12100f and an RX 6600. To everyone who is struggling with the decision: It's worth it! And dont get tricked by the high utilitsation, the backround tasks like discord work just fine :)
Given how far things have evolved for these i3 CPUS, it would be very interesting to see how they compare to the last of the quad core i7 cpus from back in the day, perhaps compare it to the i7 6700 from that old dell that you looked at recently. I subbed to your channel years ago because of how chill and wonderful your videos are and I am very happy to see how far you have evolved and how much higher quality your content has gotten over the years! Most tech tubers focus on the ultra high end of the market, looking at the halo products that most people can’t even dream of affording. While it is important to have coverage of that part of the market, it is also very important for people like yourself to cover the more value focused part of the market and prove time and time again that you can have an excellent gaming experience on budget hardware, especially these days. Here’s to more fantastic content in 2023!
I think the 13100 is suffering a bit from how close in price the 12400 is. I know i'd rather have the 6 cores even if 4 cores is still enough most of the time, especially with the possibility to multitask/use discord while gaming etc.
Imo the i3 and i5s are more interesting than the top-of-the-line chips because of their value. I got my 12400 for $160 at Micro Center, and it has been great for gaming.
i just bought an i3 13100f, coupled with an AMD RX 570 8GB, 16GB DDR4 3000, Biostar B660T Silver and some NVME / SATA SSD. This is just insane for the price of a little more than 130€ (for the i3)
Really impressed with the i3's lately. Wondering if i could get a fairly recent used one and use it for a homeserver/NAS, they seem pretty efficient overall.
Run one myself but in a desktop build and they are crazy efficient, only thing that would obviously be better is to repurpose Laptop chips cuz Nas and homeservers often don‘t need this much performance :)
I wonder what the actual value is. Sure, it's cheap and powerful enough, no questions there. But hexacore has been the standard for consoles and for AMD in general, who have never gone below 6 in the past 5 years, and probably will not again. I'm not one for core number obsession, but I do think that a minimum is important, lest you want to risk having a CPU that'll last you barely 2-3 years before being too weak to satisfy. What the value is over 4-6 years means a lot more than the asking price IMO.
What more IPC? The 13100 is a 12300 with 100mhz higher boost clock. Only the mid to high end skus for 13th gen are actually RKL, the rest are rebadged ADL (12th gen).
Yeah that 13100 is def bottlenecking that 3060ti, especially in cyberpunk and the Witcher remastered. You can see it was in the %80 utilization in cyberpunk and in the #60 range for the Witcher. The Witcher is a mess as far as optimization but that seemed to be a theme with almost every game on this list so yeah I would say 3060/6600xt at the most for this 13100.
It would be the perfect budget Buy if intel decided to add some Ecore, even 2 ecore would have boost significantly multitasking performance. Anyway thanks for the review RGHD!
Personally i feel like i would prob get a 5600 over this for the performance, but since idk if I would be able to upgrade to 14th gen with LGA1700 motherboard(considering how often intel changes their motherboard) so its hard to decide
THIS is why I watch this channel. Most of my customers dont want to build RTX 4090 PCs with i9s and huge AIOs. THey want i5s with 3060s and maybe used pc parts
As much as I would love to buy one of these, I just can't with Intel's constant swapping of motherboards. Would I need to upgrade in the future? Maybe (I do mainly play old games), but who knows. AMD is just a lot more secure on upgrades typically. Since they try to stick with a motherboard socket for a while.
Would've preferred if you'd compared the 12th and 13th gen game by game instead of just at the end. I know it's more work but it makes the comparison clearer. Thanks, and great video!
Great video, I've always wanted to get my hands on a raptor lake chip but I'm stuck with the pentium g7400 lol. I wish that intel would make an i3 K chip once again to encourage entry level overclocking.
@@dualpapayas should've asked for Core i3 11100F against 7700K because it was roughly equal 4c/8t That's why I said Core i3 12300 already beat an OC 8700K which is insanely good despite different Cores/Threads count
i was really hoping to see the i3 finally get a bump to at least 6 cores this gen (maybe 4P + 2E). but oh well, still some solid performance for a budget quad core.
I will say this much, comparison charts show it beating the pants off my current i5-6600k. I am building a new gaming rig with an i5-13600K but my current system is getting a new mobo, an AIO water cooler, and the i3-13100 as it's going to become my photoshop/substance painter/iRay render server machine. Everything else still in this system can be used such as the DDR4 memory. No clue how much longer my current 7 year old system will last so may as well update it.
That is a solid cpu. Id like to see it compared to a ryzen 5-5600. I paid $129 for mine on sale 2 months ago. if the price is similar which budget build would you choose?
They're basically identical in most games... The Ryzen has a slight lead in games that can utilize more than 4 cores, though... And the i3 has a slight lead in games that can't...
Given that you can get a Ryzen 4500 with 6 cores and 12 threads for $70 brand new (or 5500 for under $100) it seems like a hard sell to buy 13th gen Intel unless going with DDR5. And then it's unlikely you'd opt for a 13100. We just have a lot of really great performing budget options at the moment. - Might make a good video. All the CPUs you can get for $125 or less brand new vs eachother.
Note the Ryzen 4000s are only Zen2, with a significant cache and PCIe disadvantage aswell; hence, even with its smaller cache, the 5500 or entry i3s would be usefully quicker, and I say that as someone who has a 1600 AF, 2600X, 2700X, 3600 and 5600X. As MrSammy points out though, stock issues can muddy such decisions.
I read about how from the 13500 to the 13100f they re use alderlake architectures from what i saw of your number it does seems that way. So are they just selling the same chip with a slight bump in cache and frequency?
It's worth it. I had a 4th gen build with a 4590 and I had like 30fps in warzone 2 and now I have a i3 12100F and I get around 60 but idk how does the i7 compare I think it's quite similar but nonetheless it's your choice.
Can't wait for the time when Intel adding in i3 couple or more E-cores with saving a ~100 bucks price. It would be a massive banger in a budget gaming.
If it's higher clock speed which based on Alder Lake, then why the Wattage slightly lower on 13100F ? That should be higher if it's actually based on Alder Lake
@@ClayWheeler I don't know mate, maybe they made improvements to the intel 7 node, or sth like that. But it is a alder lake part, I am not making that up, take a look in Intels own slides.
i run a i3 10th gen with 32gb ddr4 3600 ram and a overclocked asus 3060 and play all games great at 1440p and around 40 to 60fps on 4k (some deffo need dlss) but love the set up for now . will be upgrading this yr to an i9 11th gen and 3080
You should include the new Need for Speed Unbound in the benchmarks. It runs on the Frostbite engine and supports dlss/fsr and seems more cpu heavy than most modern games.
IF the motherboard is at least £40 cheaper, then yes. Taking into account CPU discount also. But again imo, a B450 with R5 3600 second hand is better than both for price to performance
@@RandomGaminginHD there's a reason why Intel still insisted on keeping regular design CPU without any E-Cores. Programmers still need CPU without any E-Cores. Because if Intel forced all CPUs line up to be using P&E Core design, the Programmers can't optimize their products for people with older CPUs in order to simulate them. Desktop CPU adoption which using P&E Core design is still less than 1% of all Desktop PC users on the planet.
I've built an Asus B660M-A D4 with i3 13100 (with graphics, no discrete board), an m2 drive in a Q300l case with a seasonic supply. I had previously a i5 9th Gen (with SSD and 16gb RAM). The metrics gave a little extra for the i3 (I think the m2 drive helped). But what really made the difference in Windows 11 was the RAM, I started with 16gb RAM in the new computer but when I added 16 more, it's a totally different experience, like night and day.
140 euros = budget CPU ??? seriously dude 4 cores in 2023 recommendation ??? you can get Ryzen 4500(80e) + Motherboard(B450 60e) for that money or 70e i3-10105F +70e B560M .... that is Budget! superior ryzen 5500 is around 100e + very cheap around 40e A320M is real Budget... not crap "intel's 4 core in 2023" garbage ...
