It's weird how in some cases the i5 12400f crushes this cpu even though its latest... I am really glad and lucky that i chose that cpu , but with further tests it seems like i made a lucky choice.... but lucked out on gpu lol
@@bmqww223 cpu stoped developing in 10th gen intel/5gen amd, and amd is still worse and cant keep up with intel - but its good thanks to that intel wont push 6.5ghz in 5 gen but it will focus on power eff
@@bills6093 The advancements AMD have made have been impressive as hell, but they did have some catching up to do after the Bulldozer fiasco. Piledriver was improved, but there was only so much they could do with that architecture. Ryzen's more a spiritual successor to the crazy Athlons of old, but it took a couple of generations to really compete on an IPC level, whatever the core count/price competition may have accomplished. First gen Ryzen had an IPC a tad lower than this i5 has.
@@Axatron idk about a 2nd gen i7, but as a former R5 2600 owner it was pretty underwhelming. I only got it because it was really good value. it overclocked like ass and just generally wasn't enough for high refresh titles like siege. 3rd gen was a nice bump, and 5000 series just blew it out of the water. rocking a 5800x now.
@@LateNightFire thanks for confirming, but i it always seemed strange to me when people bought a 1-2 gen ryzen to play games and talking about value implying a core count to later find out that this is not the most important thing in games especially when this cpu came out.
Just picked up an 8400 on eBay for £30 as it happens, had an 1151 motherboard laying around that I was given because it was BIOS bricked, managed to save it with a BIOS chip reprogrammer.
Flash the bios for future cpu upgrade if needed. If its 3 series then will take up to i9. 8400 decent for most of the free online games paried with something like 580 or 1060 gpu.
Interesting note : the i5 8400 pulls around 45W max in your tests where the Ryzen 5 8400F exceeds 70W in some instances. Their respective perf/watt is actually fairly close
I went from 4790K to 12400F, was quite surprised the difference. Of course, RAM and SSD upgrades also make a big difference. But, I am still using my GTX 1080, and try all my titles that were struggling on the older CPU. Now they are smooth, and some I can turn the settings up, sometimes way up like max. I am waiting for the GPU to be completely useless or dead. I skipped 2000 3000 and 4000 series, let's see what 5000 series GPUs do. I will probably be able to get away with holding off longer. Yeah, I know, RTX is all a big deal, but not big enough to me, yet.
@tallpaul9475 Unless you're going 4K, around a 4060 Ti / 6750 XT is going to pretty much max out a 12400F at 1080p. So, honestly you haven't missed much skipping all those launches. That GTX 1080 is far from useless yet.
same for me, i did the same change. i had to cause my 4790k or moetherboard, or both were having issues... overheating even when repasted and else, plus 4 cores werent great anymore. have you not considered amd options?¡ the 7800 xt with 16gb at 480dls performs better than the 4070, would be a great jump and the vram is handy.
I somewhat recently upgraded from this set up. Even better, I had upgraded from the GTX 670 to the 6700XT first. You can imagine my disappointment when I couldn't upgrade to an AMD 6000 series CPU.
It isnt that different, actually. And getting RX 580 with something like 7500f would be cheaper too (not like any human that can afford 7500f and mobo should go this route, lga1200 is much cheaper, and still good, and if you cant afford even that, X99 is the only way).
I still remember late August of 2017 summer morning having a coffee and reading about "the brand new Intel 8th Gen Coffee lake cpu series" article. It was mind blowing to see 2 extra cores on the new gen i5. It feels like yesterday.
With regards to rebar. Many 8th and 9th gen boards have had bios updates to enable rebar. I've worked on Asrock and Asus boards with bios options to enable it.
To be honest, I didn't expect anyone to make this kind of comparison 😂, curious to see a battle between Ryzen 9 7900x vs i9 7900x or Ryzen 9900x vs I9 9900k (or even the X variant)😂
i5-8400 and i5-8500 are currently budget GOAT on ebay in old OEM systems. Under 100 bucks for a full system with ram/ssd. Old SFF and a 3050 LP, or a mid tower and RX6600 and you've got a competent gaming rig for barely any money.
The difference between the i5 7500 and R5 7500 would probably be even bigger than the difference between the i5 8400 and R5 8400F. On the intel side you'd be losing 2 cores and on the AMD side you'd be doubling the amount of L3 cache.
I use an 8500 in my personal rig which is an old HP so I got it really cheap it's a solid CPU for most things but newer stuff does start to struggle same as the 8400. Thing to note is that the 8400 only supports a max speed of 2666MHz DDR4 so although you can use 3200MHz memory it will clock down the the max supported 2666 here. Fun video tho.
@@slaydog5102 It does in some cpu heavier titles like BF 2042 it's a stutterfest I have a 2070 super hooked up to it for 1080p that's plenty. It lacks hyperthreading and it's clocks aren't super high.
Despite the limited usefulness to purchasing considerations, I'm still very glad you did this test and hope to see more Ryzen 5 8400F content! (Versus the Ryzen 5 7500F and Intel i5-12400F or i5-13400F perhaps?)
I've been proudly running the 8400 for goodness knows how long but it still manages to keep up, just about! Not feeling a need to change just yet but it's creeping up.
i currently have i5 8400, and im thinking of finally upgrading. it has served well, but at this point its already 7 years old, and its starting to show.
You mentioned that if running a i5-8400, you "can upgrade to a i7-8700 on this platform still". Depending on what motherboard you're using, you might be able to upgrade all the way to an i9-9900K, or even 9900KS.
At the start of this year I upgraded from an i7 8700 & RX460 which I've had since release to a Ryzen 5 5600 and RTX 3060. I could have gone with a 3070 or a 40** series GPU but I only play a few certain games on my PC which doesn't require too much grunt or a latest gen top end card. The reason I upgraded to those is because the games I do play were startimg to suffer a bit and I was on a budget, but needed a decent little upgrade without going mental and I'm happy to say they serve me just fine at 1080p. Although I do want a new case that's a bit more modern and stylish as I've had a Fractal Design Arc Mini R2 since they came out, another 8 or 16gb of ram and a new power supply which is fully modular. I'll probably do it later this year 😅
Shall we start a new series? Namesake series? Two components with the same model number but different time frames? Next? Intel Core i9 7900x vs Ryzen 9 7900x
Very interesting and a needed comparison RamdomGamingHD! Those intel i5's can be found dirt cheap and seeing the results show they can game. Found an i7 8700 system at a resale shop and was given another rig rocking an i7 8700 system for free. I personally would go for a full cache modren Ryzen chip over these apu ones. Thanks!
Sadly, PCIe 4.0 x8 cards only run at PCIe 3.0 x8, even in a PCIe x16 slot. Not that it makes much difference either way, less than ReBar in most cases.
this comparison reminds me of the threadripper 1920 and gtx 1080 meme build lol Edit: have you considered adding a geomean of the 3 fps metrics per game of all the games to your benchmarks? id certainly like that
I knew what the result of this was going to be. Despite the R5 8400F not being the greatest AM5 option, I kinda thought it would win, and by quite some margin too. The i5 8400 may still be OK for less demanding gaming but Intel really should have added Hyperthreading to the i5s back then. But hey, at least Intel weren't still using just 4 cores, which is what happened with 7th gen and older...
If you found one of those BCLK OC boards and got this up to 4.6 Ghz I bet it would have been a lot closer. What's interesting is that this video looks like a very compelling case to upgrade to an R5 8400f. 🤣🤣🤣
When you benchmark fallout 4, it would be nice if you showed the stats with the original frame cap in place, as well, to see if the percentile figures are affected.
Ironically I am running an i7-8700 with a 3060ti. I keep getting tempted to upgrade, but to be honest I'm finding it still pretty good for 1440p gaming.
Still rocking i5 8400 with a recent addition of a 4060 On 1440p, I can get 60+ fps on most titles with decent settings (DLSS and FG help if the GPU is struggling) I struggle in Helldivers 2 though, the CPU is overwhelmed while the GPU is chilling. P.S. You can upgrade to the 9th line as well as far as I know
I don't know the details of the i5 8400 igpu codec support, but depending on that, the i5 could be a better option for video editing. Or not, as I said I have no idea what its igpu supports. Otherwise, yes the Ryzen is the way to go in this case. Cool video. Thanks for sharing.
I have an i5 8400 running in my lounge room PC which is my Plex server and emulation box, does an excellent job and is low power enough for the Fractal Node 202 case that it’s in.
Considering how rock bottom intel 8th and 9th gen (except 9900K and 8086K) prices are on the used market, I'd say the i5-8400 is actually holding up quite well.
I can't believe you seriously did it lmfao NUTS! Jokes aside, question: Is RDR2 default on Vulkan? Because for example I play BG3 or RoN and if I choose Vulkan or DX12, I have a bunch more FPS but hiccups and trouble overall some graphical glitches. In RoN the stutters are insane. In DX11 doesn't happen. (I have an R5 2600). So I guess different graphic APIs will give different results. Hence why I'm asking.
RDR2 allows dx12 or Vulkan, both are kinda bad. Vulkan crashes way less, but DX12 has better image stability however has an “unknown error FFFF” crash consistently.
@@flingymingy That's tricky when testing things. For me and my old CPU (GPU is a 7600 lol) Vulkan or DX12 provide more FPS but more inconsistently, hiccups, stutters, some glitches, etc. It's here and there, not like unplayable (depending on the game, RoN is unplayable). But then DX11 is less performance, but much more consistent which I prefer. Hopefully Vulkan gets more development for all.
I see on aliexpress they do brand new LGA1155 motherboards for about £13, I'm curious what is the best CPU for an ultra cheap build with one of those. Maybe a £100 gaming PC with a RX 480 2048 if those are still available on aliexpress cheap. I'm also curious what operating system you use and how its configured. Do you debloat it?
Not bad for its age. Just a side note. In my region 7500f+32 a die ram and b650m board cost about 500$. I can go cheaper for 12400f 32ddr4 b660 for 350us. Wanted to upgrade my old rig. But somehow i decided to look for used laptops. Found Razer blade 2020 with i7 10gen 6 core and rtx2070, 32ram, 1tb ssd for 480$. New battery, fans and cmos cost me 60 on top. I think it is a steal. My desired rig with 7500f/32/7700xt cost like 2.5 times more than this laptop. And i dont count new 1440p monitor.
Go for intel side, with everyone talking smack about them, 10/11/12th gen are actually very good deal. And laptops, well...there might be reasons why they are sold so cheap (thermal problems or bend chassis mostly).
@@Collin_J i travel sometimes, and i also love to play games in bed. Unfortunately have no space for a tv, previously used phone+controller (switch like) to game stream(no so much enjouable, latency, disconnects, lags, image quality). Now i use an IKEA laptop stand with my razer notebook. Satisfiend a lot.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 funny enough, this slim laptop have no issue with thermals, especially after ptm7950, new thermal pads and upgraded fans. Cpu tdp in games under 45w(75*c), gpu 100w(85*c). And laptop is on quiter side, good fans design, thermal limits. When I play in bed, i use 35+80w preset, fan noise is very low, similar to Macbook 13 level. Technical side no repairs, no overheated components, clean motherboard, ideal keyboard and screen state. Small scratches on metal body, but them hard to notice.
Well R5 5600X was competitive in games with I9 10900k (Same skylake, but 10/20 instead of 6/6 with higher clocks) and R5 8400f is an upgrade over r5 5600X, so big difference is predictable.
Were there problems with starting a PC with Ryzen and RAM at a frequency higher than 5200? I have such a processor and I can't make it compatible with DDR5-6000/6400. The PC begins to reboot cyclically, at the stage of loading the bios.
