For those that missed it, here is the "The Worst CPU & GPU Purchases of 2017" video that the title refers to: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CKEX4L375RI.html
Hi Steve, please can you specify the graphics API that's used in each of the games that you test. On some slides you do mention it but others you don't.
I also have a question regarding test configuration - how did you manage to boot Ryzen 7 1700 on x570 Aorus Master? Gigabyte does not list support for this combination.
ahhhhhhhhhhh the sound of that porn music with my hardware unboxed mug.... wakes me up here on top of the world :). I get Alexa to play the jingle every day I make coffee. lol.
i5-7600K was a much worse buy, because it was only slightly cheaper, but will last way shorter, and already has stuttering issues. Guess what I bought...
@@LeafGreenHDD I'm stuck because of Z170. I could try modded bios and risk bricking the motherboard, but Ryzen prices are so low I'm going to wait a year or 2 and upgrade fully to it once the i5 becomes too weak
Thats why i bought 5820k 6 core over another 4 core. And it paid off. Even tho the ipc is slower the fact that it has 2 more cores and modern games using more than 4 threads the future proofing actually worked lmao. What made me choose 6 core is the stuttering that i saw on 4 cores at release time and no such thing on a 6 core. The platform cost a lot tho, ddr4, the x99 mobo and cpu. Im not upgrading until zen 5 comes out with ddr5. But i am gonna swap the aging gpu for rdna 2 and ampere when its out.
@@humanbeing9079 It had threadripper as top 1, not good for site with gaming focus. But huge ass note, only same core count CPU's comparisons have kinda relevant data, others are complete garbage
I watch valorant and that streamer was using I7 7700k gtx 1080 32 gigs ram Asus rog g20ci... Mm So i see a 3 year old gpu and 7th gen 4 core intel processor doing an exceptionally great job in multi tasking ... Even today......
The good thing about Intel CPU is the aftermarket price, and the Longevity. I don't think i ever heard of an Intel CPU getting fried or something. I don't know for newer generations, coz Intel is pushing these chips to their very limit.
That's convenient. But obviously it was the best deal you could make, therefore, congrats. ;) And now you have a platform where you could add a 12-core or 16-core in the future, too.
@@RAYSGT Actually i prefer Amd over Intel. My new system will b red team. Both cpu and gpu. I am just sharing my experience. Also, i was working on a Internet cafe for a couple of years and we never had any problem with Intel cpu. 6th generation and below. @IAM HARDWELL That's why i said i don't know for newer generations, coz i don't have any exp.
This makes me want to sell my legendary 2500k. Sat in storage with 8gb ddr3 vengeance ram and a good gigabyte z68 board... I got a b450 and r5 3600 but the old intel sandybridge chips are just as amazing to me
Are u also noting poor battery life on your mobile cpu? In battery saving mode my pc doesn't get more than 4h on minimum brightness... maybe because I have a 1060?
I have an Asus GL703VD laptop and it pisses me off that I can't disable hyperthreading :-/ I'd be happy to trade hyperthreading for slightly lower temperature and higher boost.
Just went from 7700k to Ryzen 9 5900x. The 8 extra physical cores and 16 extra threads are… speedier to say the least. But my 7700k powered me through some of the best years of my life from some of the greatest laughs I’ve ever had, to showing past romantic interests the world of VR. I’m not afraid to say that I bought this processor. It taught me kindness, and when it aged like a fine wine, patience. What more can you ask for from a processor? Rest easy, ol’ buddy. 😪
The 7700K is still a beast if you learn to overclock and pair it with fast memory. My 8700K was barely an upgrade and I've had to turn 6 of the cores off on my 10900K to play Starfield.
@@theHardwareBench I had it overclocked but it throttled like crazy due to the paste intel used on these chips. Alas I agree it is a solid chip at 5 ghz and I have retired it to powering my NAS setup which it does amazingly. It’s running with some DDR4 clocked at a modest 3000 mhz, more than enough for any media server running Linux.
I built my first beast of a pc around an i7-6700k and that thing lasted years without ever feeling old. Granted, I don't push my pc to any crazy processing limits, but that and a 1080 did everything I wanted for 6 or 7 years. Can't ask for much more than that
@@joshpointoh I am actually still on a 6700K, was thinking of upgrading to a 13900K a year ago, but then I realized that this processor is still hella fast for most of my needs, not to mention I don't need an extra air conditioning unit.
Over here the 7700K went from its initial 375 retail price down to 275 at its lowest in May 2018 before going back up again. It's never been a good value proposition, regardless of stock levels.
Same here. My 7700k (paired with my 1080ti) has served me well but dying to jump to AMD again after a long hiatus...very keen to see how Zen 3 will perform.
@@VargVikernes1488 yeah, I bought a 6600k in 2015, and at release it was already too slow to hit 60fps in Crysis 3. luckily it died after three years, so I replaced it with a R5 2600 which was a massive improvement
@@VargVikernes1488 I have 7600k, and because I game at 1440p it just doesn't matter. This video benches at 1080p which is obsolete already if you're a real gamer.
You really shouldn't A) Hindsight is 20/20 and nobody expected Ryzen to be that good. B) 1st gen Ryzen had it's fair share of problems. It wasn't until Zen+'s release in 2018, that Ryzen truly became a worthwhile cpu series. TL:DR Skylake/Kaby lake owners are fine, because Ryzen didn't become proper untill Zen+ release in 2018.
My 7700k, delidded - with liquid metal applied between IHS and CPU die, runs at 5 GHz and 60-70 C under heavy load. As a gamer, this CPU is still perfectly fine. Thanks for confirming that for me, Steve! Great work, guys!
@@Thrashman138 "Usable".. boy, I edited and got paid for 6 music videos using a stock 7700K + 1050ti back in the day.. don't know what y'all smoking.. even back then it could push GTA 5 75+fps..
@@clenbuterol4989 Glad I'm not the only person who realises early Ryzen was a joke, I bought a 1700X which was so bad I bought the 7700K shortly after. The 1700X was generally worse than my i5 4670K at the time! Even my FX6300 was faster playing PUBG, I run everything OC'd not stock.
Ahh, 2017, back when this channel had about 40k subscribers and we were commenting on Steve's shirts. Good to see how they've grown, I still watch many of their videos, even though I haven't purchased any PC parts in the last 3 years or so.
Got my 7700k back in march/april 2017, just before Ryzen 1st gen released. Still doing great for games. Hyperthreading on a quad-core chip like this one makes a world of difference today. Back then, people were recommending me getting a 4c/4t i5 and spending that leftover money on a better GPU. Good thing I wasn't listening to them. Saw the Ryzen coming and knew 4c/4t wasn't going to cut it in the future. Probably gonna wait till 5nm Zen 4 releases, then get the whole new platform, DDR5 ram and new socket with it.
Don't listen to them, 7700k is still an absolute beast. Bullshit Unboxed always at it with blatant AMD shilling. They think it's what people want to hear right now.
@@BitZapple I'm sorry but telling it like it is doesn't make this channel AMD shills. The i7-7700k _was_ a terrible CPU in 2017 because Intel released the i7-8700k just 9 months later in October of the same year, which was basically a slap in the face from Intel to anyone that purchased the 7th gen parts.
@@TJ.85 intel is still my favorite. I have a 3900x and a 9900ks and I game a lot and it's just snappy. I built a pc for a friend and loaned him a 6700k. When we finished his 2700x build he was like why is it so slow. I had to explain a lot.
I can still remember all the Ryzen 1rst gen fans claiming some sort of half-assed victory, because they 'would have won' if only the 7700K was also clocked down to the same 3.9-4.0 GHz clock speeds....! LOL!
It's amazing how AMD pushed the whole industry forward with the release of Zen. If it weren't for them we'd still see "high end" 4 core CPUs. It's debatable, since Intel response with 6 core parts was quick, but I guess we'll never know if those parts where destined to be core i5 and i7 as they turned out to be, or they were just creating the new range of core i9 for $1000+. They most likely would've cut two cores to keep milking the users' tit, but had to release 6 core i5s and i7s thanks to AMD. But the point of the video is, even in 2020 the 7700K is ahead of the 1700 for gaming, but the 1700 mops the floor with it in productivity tasks. I guess if you bought the 7700k specifically for gaming in 2016, it wasn't necessarily a bad buy. You enjoyed greater performance for the whole life of the product... 4 years is more than enough to consider these parts obsolete... I went myself with the 1600 in 2016 but it's showing it's age now, so I will most certainly upgrade to a 3700x/4700x soon. PS: Glad to see overclocked results for the Ryzen 1700. I criticised your last video because you showed Intel overclock results but not AMD's. The picture is much clearer now!
Oh, they were expecting Zen allright, but it appears even AMD was surprised at its performance. What was the claim? Around 40% better than their last generation? And it turned out to be even better and more efficient. And as a Linux user back then it was such a bargain as soon as it launched, no need to wait for a lower price or a better scheduler that were required with Windows. The bigger questions were on the chipset, especially the less than stellar southbridge that AMD users were becoming accostumed to, and at launch memory support of course, but it's not such a complicated matter than you didn't expect them to resolve the issue. I believe intel was really expecting to solve their manufacturing problems, that the technology development would soon be back on track, they tested the waters with some (iirc) OEM-only 10nm processors that must've been the most disappointing new process CPUs they've ever launched, while AMD, with the migration from GlobalFoundries to TSMC, kept getting better and as soon as the industry started treating them as a true competitor and not intel's second fiddle, the user finally got a choice. But to me the true sign in the consumer market will be when AMD laptops are on par with intel ones, they're better than they were at the height of the Athlon days of course, but not yet on par.
@@DzinkyDzink But at the moment, if what you could buy was a 7700k or a 1700 and what you do with it is just plain old gaming, if was an alright buy that still gives you better performance. Obviously, the platform itself is pretty garbage and with Ryzen you still have the capability to upgrade to a current CPU. I went with Ryzen and I'm happy enough, but the numbers are there: the 7700K was and is the better gaming CPU.
@@DzinkyDzink You could always wait for the next, greatest thing, but the realistic point of view is that you should buy the best you can at the best price you can whenever you need it. If due to waiting, you have no gaming PC, I don't see the use of it. It's different when you already have a build you can use (such as myself at the moment, waiting for Zen 3). But back then, if you needed a new PC exclusively for gaming, the 7700k was not a horrible decision. Neither was Ryzen at the time, let me be clear. Competition made it so both platforms were viable back on the day, unlike now that seems to be that Ryzen is the only smart choice, since all third gen CPUs are basically just as fast for gaming while being way stronger for productivity.
@@DzinkyDzink If you already had a Z170 system then you could sell that i3 or i5 for $100+ and upgrade to a 7700k for around $200. That's what I did and it was considerably less than a whole new Ryzen platform that was having some well known gaming performance and memory compatibility issues.
@@DzinkyDzink I don't know about you, but I wouldn't wait one or two years to build a gaming rig. I'd rather buy the parts now, even if it's in the second hand market, and then if needed there's always the possibility of reselling it and getting the newest thing. Waiting that long in a world that is always evolving and rendering 2+ old tech obsolete, makes absolutely no sense. Waiting one or two months can make sense when you know a product will absolutely be gamechanging, but if there's no guarantee that's gonna be the case or it's too far down the line, just buy whatever provides the best performance and suits your budget.
The 7700K was the best mainstream 14nm quad-core i7, and it's till very capable in many applications and games. No surprise there. It's pretty much still available today as the 10300. Ta-dah!
@Nathaniel Smith unless you are gaming. literally any other professional/work application uses as much cores as you throw at them. with exception of rare few such as adobe photoshop.
@Nathaniel Smith that's a bit of a sweeping and over generalising statement isn't it? i have a 3950x CPU running a storage server that's running 24*7 with 8 cores assigned to it meanwhile i run a windows virtual machine on the same system to play games and do everyday stuff. this 3950x was only 50% more costly than the 6 core 5930k that i bought 2 years ago and now i have more than double the core 6 vs 16 core with super energy efficient performance and relatively cheap motherboards.
Probably a blessing in disguise. Now we have amd forcing core printer brr battle with intel, degrading quality and forcing chiplet for no consumer gain.
Where are you getting that $500? Intel MSRP is $350 at the highest, while lowest, but at rare at times, is $330. Blame your e/retail and govt taxes for inflating the prices, from MSRP $350 to $500.
I think Intel's plan for 11th gen desktop CPUs are backporting their 10nm architecture to their 14nm process, then their i5s to i9s will be using this new backported architecture, and their i3s will be using the old architecture. But this means in order to improve the 11th gen i3 compared to 10th gen, they might make the 11th gen i3 a 6c/12t part. Anyway Intel's 14nm process has matured over so many years so they should be able afford cramming 6 cores into an i3 part.
I still own my 7700K. It's purring still like a puppy and overclocking nicely to 4.87. I love it. It will forever hold a special place in my heart. I think, when I make a new pc, I'm gonna make a new pc, not upgrade. I'm never gonna give up on good ol 7700k.
I bought my 7700k on launch in 2017. 3 years later and it’s still kicking ass at 1440p paired with a 2070 Super and 16gb of ram. I’ll probably run it until I notice a substantial drop in gaming performance.
Ha, I used the i7 7700k clocked at 4.7 GHz for late 2017 - late 2021. Apparently it also had been running at about 100 celsius for all those years since I never checked the temps after building it. Still ran as expected all those years as well. Great CPU and someone is running it now since I gave it away.
@@sack8439 2 years later and I still think it’s one of the best CPUs I’ve owned. I ended up swapping it out in late 2020 when I did a completely new build. I went with an i9-9900, 32gb and a 3080.
@@MelvinMichaelget I am still using the same processor but now for a home theater pc. I haven’t experienced any problems yet. I have knocked the clock speeds back down to stock because of the size constraints.
@@MelvinMichaelget no, XMP has nothing to do with that, as for overclocking the cpu then yes, it will, but you will have a new cpu by the time it breaks because of that, it's like decreasing the life expectancy from 20 years to 10 years, are you really gonna use it for 10 years? I doubt.
@@triple_octopus So If i select a profile for XMP and use it, it wont decrease the life or do any harm for my cpu , Ram or Graphics right. PS - I checked Cpu temp and Ram speed Without Xmp, while rendering. Cpu - 78 to 85* C max.Ram speed was 2400 Mhz. With Xmp On , Cpu - 80 to 95* C max.Ram speed was 3200 Mhz. I use Afterburner to check temps and have a Coolermaster Masterliquid Lite as cooler. Please advise
@@MelvinMichaelget oh yeah it won't, you can turn it on and check the temps, strss test it if you want but usually XMP gives you what the ram manufacturer wanted and nothing more so yeah
It amazes me people get mad about this stuff though, I bought a 7700k a few months before the paper launch of the 8700k, which is really an early 2018 part. It was the best gaming CPU, period, and it wouldn't have made sense for me to invest in a different platform and CPU on the gamble of spending more money later on a Zen2 part, to get similar performance 2 years later, it's just leaving performance on the table, not marginal performance either like we see today either. Today I'd get AMD, no problem, but it just wasn't the case in 2017, let's be glad competition is here and this is a page from history
Only reason I get mad over buying the 7700k was I did it in March the weekend after ryzen launched and then a month later all of the sudden the 8700k was coming soon. It was supposed to launch in 2018. I totally would've held off another half a year if I knew the 8700k was coming.
@@JonWood007 I was on an i7 950 with an GPU I had upgraded previously from a GTX 285 to a GTX 670 and wanted 1440p gaming so was itching for a new system, I couldn't wait at the time, was essentially a 9 y/o system. Today my system is barely 3 y/o and it's just a case of 'when will I need/really really want' more than 8 threads for gaming?'
Hi bought my 7700k in June 2017. It served me well for gaming since then. Last month i sold it for only 50 EUR less than i bought it in 2017. I consider this: THE BEST BUY EVER ! :)
If there's one thing intel's greed good for is keeping the used market price high. When juggling between $500 upgrading CPU+MB+DDR4 to the next gen compared to buying a used 7700K for $200 is a no brainer for the uninitiated.
@@TheVillainOfTheYear i like how AMDtards invest ... Brought 1800x for 600$ @ start and then in 1 year sold them for 150$ to get 2700x for additional 375$ ! PHAHAHHAHAHAH ! ape brain invest duuuuuuuh duuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.
@@Taurus_Play Do you think your post smacks of a towering intellect? I'd stay clear of name calling based on intelligence, glass houses and such. Even as an Intel user, you should be grateful that some were prepared to give the gen 1 Ryzen's a go, unless you'd prefer 4c/8t over the 8c/16t you now get for the same money. The Villain trolled you badly.
@@mdd1963 I am ay 85c or close to that, can even go to 92 at full load, ofc it's silicon lottery. Anyways, i ordered a new pc, it has 10700k water cooled and 3080, gonna see how it goes, hopefully it isn't trash prebuilt, otherwise i'll send it back. kek Also my case in kinda trash, so that influences temp too. Also, no point buying amd anyways, when u can buy intel with same cores for cheaper . 5800x vs 10700k.
I would say for Gaming the 7700k is still good until late 2021. I bought my 8700k 2 Years ago and even back then i thought i would upgrade around 2022. Seems like i wasnt that far off.
Yeah Zen3 might be the first real reason to upgrade time will tell if not then maybe Intels next actually new offering but that could be awhile. If Zen3 isn’t 15%+ faster in most games over a 7700k I doubt I’ll upgrade as I hate upgrading for small change.
@@David-tp7mc If he's talking about the 7700k you need to de-lid it. Once you do that it drops temps by 10-20 C. I had my 7700k @ 4.9 in an ITX case with no case fans and a low-profile Silverstone cooler and it never overheated.
Meh... back in the day I upgraded from a i7 3820 (3.8ghz) to a 7700K and I got a good performance boost in games so I was fine with my decision at that time.
I would honestly call the 7600k the worst CPU purchase of 2017, don't know why you didn't. The 7700k is still enough to run any game at a solid 60, while the 7600k isn't. The latter one is pretty much already dead, the 7700k is still alive. Edit : Actually, it would be the 7740x or 7640x.
4 cores 8 threads is still absolutely fine in 2020 and will be for a few years. I run 8 thread Xeons myself on two different rigs. They are cheaper than Ryzen, as fast as Ryzen second gen in gaming and good enough for me for other workloads.
@@2ndLastJedi The main difference there is that by now, depending on the motherboard they purchased, they could have upgraded to a 3700X without needing to replace their board.
@@BitZapple I would say maybe another 2 years, I think 4c/8t is going to suffer badly when current gen consoles are ditched and games are designed from the ground up for next gen.
Everybody forgets about a 6700k :(, but i guess it makes sense why, 7700k is just 6700k with 200mhz higher clock, so if average 6700k can do 4.5ghz the average 7700k will be able to do 4.7ghz no problem.
I'm running on one of those, tho overclocked to 4.8ghz. Waiting on the next zen before upgrading... still meets my needs though video encoding which I do on occasion usually needs to run overnight...
@@circleofsorrow4583 yeah. Too unstable @ 4.9. Couldnt get it to post @ 5ghz no matter non insane voltages. (on watercooling). Even at 4.8 it's hot under load... 85-90 degrees C.
@@luc0210726780 weird, I overclocked mine to 4.95 without much of a hassle. I didn't bother getting it higher, as I feel the gains will be insignificant for gaming, if any at all. Temps are also quite decent, but I do have a Noctua NH-D15 with 2 fans cooling it.
I have the same CPU and GPU and I still get over 100 FPS in all the games I play at 1440p. My monitor is awesome, but I am currently shopping for a 1440/144 ultrawide monitor. I'll upgrade when the system can't drive over 100fps on that.
@@miniweeddeerz1820 not really. If you are just gaming & using a 1080ti @1440p, 4790 is still usable. Skipping a couple generations might bring even better experience.
@@miniweeddeerz1820 It's not that big. I would keep this combo as well. Until, 4000 series or when DDR5 is out. The only reservation i have is the price of the RAM.
@@kanishkparmar Sadly I wasn't able to. I had over $4,000 in bills. Still haven't found anything near that PC for the price. Still think about it everyday.
Been rocking a 7700K at 5Ghz since launch, changed every component in the original build bar the CPU. I have no reason to change it still, I run a 2080Ti with it and have no problems
I was using a 6700K until last April. I finally switched to the 3900X and I can't tell you how absolutely AWESOME it is to be rendering a video, gaming, and recording your gameplay all at the same time without noticing ANY difference in gaming performance. Damn you Intel for forcing us to use quadcores for more than a decade.
Im a gamer its better for gaming. The rest is irrelevant. Wtf do i need with more threads if games wont even use them... my 9900k had 16 but during gaming i havent ever seen it reach 50% load... heck during most games its 15 to 35% load so most games still are not quad core capable.
@@pino_de_vogel Then you can buy an i3 or r3 and save yourself hundreds. I'm referring to the fact people see an i7 sticker and think its good, even if now its no different to an i5. This is mostly a problem with laptops, people pay $100s more just for a sticker.
@@hellowill i bought it as my system needed to last 6 years and it was the fastest gaming cpu. Amount of cores is irrelevant as long as it was the fastest and can last 6 years. Ao i dont care what is in frons of the name or even what the name is as long as it was the best.
@@pino_de_vogel Then I'm not sure what you expected. The only way CPUs are getting faster these days is with more threads. It's very difficult to improve clock speeds.
I've loved my i7 7700k but it's time to move on. When I play certain games like The Division 2, watching streams, having other things open on my monitors my CPU caps out at 100% CPU usage so I purchased the R7 3700X. If I strictly only played games I wouldn't be making this purchase.
But this is just the thing. These benchmarks are run at a dedicated machine with a clean install. I have 1 pc so many background services and programs are running. When I drive a sim, there is steam, fanatec drivers, simhub, fanatec control software, steam vr and then the game. Im not going to close all background processes before I jump in a game, so more cores will benefit more in real life situations. I would love to see actual cpu usage and performance of my 7700k while gaming in vr versus a 3700x or 10600k
@@ludacrisleon828 GamersNexus did tested that and Hardware Unboxed parroted the same thing they found; All of those things don't add enough of a system load to cause a 4c/8t CPU to falter. The only time you'll see a difference is if you're playing a game that eats threads AND streaming, video encoding, etc.
Awkward moment when you realise this is the CPU you have. Tbh its done me well, only for gaming and didn't cost me alot as I got it on a amazon prime day deal.
lol you made out with this cpu, go look at ebay sold listings, they are selling for 270 usd USED! A friend of mine sold his for 290 a month ago after 2.5 years of use.
thats the best part of AMD finally getting its act together, although really still 4c/8t is perfectly good for gaming its just a lot cheaper now which is great!
I went for the 5930K / 980 combo and yeah, no need to upgrade yet. Future-proofing payed off :) Quick question, what overclock are you using? I think I lost the silicon lottery with my 5930K, can't get past 4.2. Prime95 crashes after a few minutes with 4.3 or higher, no matter how much I crank the voltage.
@@filipecalixto6569 They wouldn't have come up with the i9 badging at all. If AMD had folded back before Ryzen launched, we would have seen the i7-8700k in 2018 like Intel originally planned. We most certainly would _not_ have an i7-10900k today, as the i7-9700k wouldn't have likely launched till either late last year or early this year, and that part would have been a 6 core/12 thread part and top of Intel's mainstream desktop segment.
i have a i7 7700k cpu, i play games, i dont make videos or stuff like that, i have a 2070 rtx, 16 gigs of 4000hz ram and i dont think i will need to upgrade anything for 2 years, it depends what you use your cpu for, i just game and watch youtube, ocasional movie etc, its an old cpu, but still dose what i want, i think your looking at it from a specialist perspective, as you said it still dose well in games, and will do for a year or 2, dont diss the 7700, its still a viaable cpu for gamers that have a small budget. also i dont even overcloack, and play 2077 and fallout 76 with no hassle, maybe i just have great cooling, but it all works for me, syanarra
It's also very funny how people "predicted" back in 2017 that the Ryzen 7 1700 would be "a lot more future proof" than the 7700K. Well, turns out they are still wrong three years later.
Thanks to Intel's anti-upgrade policies, the i7 7700k is the fastest CPU I can use to upgrade my i5 7500. Unfortunately, that's true for everyone else on the Z170/270, so the 7700k costs just as much today as it did on launch: a used 7700k sells for $300 USD on eBay.
upgrades are a myth. for the first 10 years of DIY PC building i "upgraded" things every year, arrived at a sub-optimal build after 3-5 years, and then would hit the inevitable package upgrade limitations (which all manufacturers are guilty of, for as long as i've been building PCs.) for the last 25 years (yeah, i'm aged like a fine wine over here lol) i _do not upgrade_ a PC. I build it and suffer through it for ~5 years at a time, instead, i save the money I would have spent upgrading and just build a new box from scratch, buying all the latest tech available that year, which means every 5 years i get a top end build for the same money i would have "wasted" buying suboptimal hardware over the prior few years. as someone who has been building PCs for several decades i can confirm that the total cost of upgrading changes very little over time. i spent 2000 per PC in the 90s, and the same in the 2000s, and the same in the 2010s, and here in 2023 it is the same story (with a slight increase because the GPU market is still seeing price gouging, resulting in a doubling of GPU prices that doesn't seem to be disappearing.) plan accordingly, come out better over time.
So the 7700k was a bad CPU purchase 3 years ago but it's still equal to AMD's current best in gaming? Makes perfect sense. Before I bought the 7700k I was upgrading from an i5-6600k to a Ryzen 1700x and it was anywhere from 10-30% slower than that 6600k in most games. I returned the 1700x and bought the 7700k and it was a big upgrade. I bought a 7700k for $260 from Microcenter 3 years ago. I sold it and the motherboard earlier this year and it wholly paid for a 3700x system "upgrade". The funny thing is that my shiny 3700x system is no faster....
the reason it wasn't a big jump from the 4790k is ddr4 wasnt available in higher than 2133 at launch, which skewed performance numbers. Running at 3000+mhz though it is significantly faster.
I gotta say, it would have been a killer purchase assuming a gaming rig. You'd have had excellent gaming for 3 1/2 years at this point, and which would you rather be flipping on the used market now, the 7700k or the 1700? I'm AMD in all my builds, but I'd have rather had the 7700k up until now, ready to flip it for a Zen 3 build soon.
I'm still using 7700K OC @4.9Ghz and most likely I'll still use it when I'm going to upgrade from 2070 to 4070. After I financially recover from such purchase only then I'll look for better CPU.
Funny one would call the 7700K any year's worst purchase given how it has held most of its value to this day. Show me any contemporary CPU that can claim the same.
@@os6552 Sure, I have a 1700X as well. (Horses for courses) But I would certainly look at it differently had I bought it at the launch price of $399, of which it has retained only a mere quarter.
@@proesterchen I was talking longevity wise, you can replace the 1700x with a 2700x or even a 3700x on the same mobo, you couldn't do that with 7700K. There's value in that acc to me. Not that I replaced it, I still had the option, it works well too.
@@os6552 Sure, but that doesn't really change the value question, as you can, of course, replace your 7700K and its motherboard, too. Yes, it's a bit more inconvenient, a couple of extra screws and a few minutes of work, but financially speaking, you're going to pay an extra ~$200 to go from a 1700X to a 3700X, while you'd likely pay less when selling the 7700K & board and buying a 3700X and a decent X570 board as a replacement.
i remember it being €385 in early may 2017 here in the Netherlands, when i bought a ryzen5 1600 for €224 instead, sure the single threading was still a lot behind, especially in terms of memory latency for gaming,. but it demolished it in multithreading :D
Some people just still have yet to wrap their heads around the fact that computers can be used for more than 1080p 2012-2017 gaming, don't mind them (:
After being in it for the longest of hauls, my 7700k that from day one i absolutely cranked the overclock on until it crashed, then lowered it just a hair to absolute perfect stability, has just been replaced by a 13600k. Rip buddy, you and my old 1060 were a match made in heaven . Onto a new home where you'll continue to crush almost anything that's thrown at you for the foreseeable future 🙌
dont listen to these noobs. If you get a faster cpu without upgrading a gpu you pretty much just wasted money. As you can see in the charts, you need a 2080ti to bottleneck the cpu, most of these cpu's will handle everything equally sub 2080 super and you will get the exact same fps with midrange to low high end cards.
@@singular9 consider the pure genius of the phrase 'need a 2080Ti to bottleneck the CPU''...; not sure what you meant to say, but, I doubt that was it. (sure hope not, or, you do not know what bottleneck means)
@@muhammadazissetiabudi1228 if using it for editing/rendering, it might indeed be 'ugh'; but for gaming, I think the 7700K has 2 more years left in it...
I would say the ryzen 1700 was the worst buy in 2017, since you get a much faster Ryzen 3600 for way less money today. The 1700 was not fast at all in games back then when the 7700k was the king of games.
Can you guys do a video on setting up the ultimate video editing rig? Setting up the SSD’s primarily is what I mean. I have a Samsung Evo 970 1TB as my OS drive, a 240 GB Corsair MP510 as my Adobe Premiere Drive. And a Samsung Evo 860 500 GB and 1 TB HDD for file archiving. Ryzen 7 3800X on an ASRock X570M Pro 4 and a GTX 1070. Nobody out there seems to really understand what makes a good editing rig, especially those folks who use a lot of effects, essential graphics and transitions. Love you guys keep up the great work!!
I'm currently using a 7700K in a digital audio workstation setup. Lots of audio editing, lots of audio plugins, lots of audio recording tasks, using Reaper, and Studio One. I honestly don't notice any lack of grunt in these situations. Some multicore/multithread usage, but still plenty of single core/single thread too. I also do lots of video work and that's where I notice the poor performance the most. I am gonna upgrade to a Ryzen 3900X setup this year. But I will lose my Hackintosh capabilities, so that has been putting me off. The 7700K is still a worthwhile chip in my view, but depends on what you're doing.
I still have my Core i7-6700 non-overclocked and it runs games decently at 1080p, especially when paired with an RTX 2060 and 32GB RAM. But obviously for productivity the processor is a bit slow.
I'm biased as I owned a 6700K since 2016, but as my first gaming CPU there was nothing that could compete at the time. Finally upgraded to a 3900X this year though!
I went with a 7600K at the time (I was using an R9 280X, and it wasn't worth paying almost what my graphics card was worth just to upgrade to the 7700K). Upgraded as soon as the 8700K came out. Been extremely happy with it and I plan to get the next "cheap" 16 core that comes out. If I bought a Ryzen 5 1600 at the time, I would probably be using a 2700X or 3700X right now. I also would've upgraded my B350 Tomahawk (period specific) to a Crosshair board.
I purchased the 1700 and finally upgraded from my ancient Phenom 2 processor. It was just such a fantastic value for the multi core work I did. Better purchase, though, was lots of AMD stock.
@@bartsiebelink2694 every new russian mid-range pc based on Intel Xeon from Aliexpress or AMD Ryzen, because buying Intel Core in Russia is much more expensive than bying Ryzen or Xeon
I had a 2600k and a month ago built my new Ryzen 3600, a few years ago I was thinking about the 7700k as a cheap upgrade still 4C/8T part. I'm going to see a difference video on the 2600k v 7700k
I'd really love to see this kind of retrospective for my i7 3770k. Paired with 16 GB of RAM and a GTX1660 I can still use that almost nine year old CPU to play most current games at medium to high settings at 1080p around 60 FPS. But it's starting to struggle in CPU intensive titles.
Best purchase ever when I bought my i7-7700K. Still best purchase and I have no intention of buying another CPU, what for? This works perfectly, super fast, almost impossible to detect the real difference in speed with the current ones in the real world, and overclocked to an stable 5 Ghz, this CPU is so good. I am doing an upgrade now, just a water cooling system.
@@joefries365 yeah i get that. I dont stream either and especially the 3950 tends to destroy the old pre 8700k/8600k cpus in any game where they are using a modern engine. Doom eternal uses all 16 threads of my 3800x, almost any dx 12 or vulcan game will also give you more performance out of the 3950x. The only time this isnt true is when the game isnt really using much cpu power to calculate game data, so weaker cpus like the 4c8t cpus dont seem to be far behind in only those games. 80% of the games ive bought this year will use 8 or more threads. Every pc has background tasks in windows so if even one thread is in use by windows you no longer have all the resources dedicated to the game. Depending on what other tasks the pc has going (skype,steam,whatever) this will cause frame pacing issues. (Frame time and frame pacing have nothing to do with streaming, they describe how even the timing is between the frames of your game. In one second, my pc puts out 144 frames. So 144 times a second, a new picture is put on the screen. Game play looks smoothest when those frames are distributed evenly over that second. A frame every 6.3 milliseconds. Intel cpus of old did not deliver the frames to the graphics card at nearly as consistant a pace as the the amd zen architecture. Zen 2 is notably better at maintaining 9900k abouts performance for much less money, with better overall performance consistency.
@@TJ.85 if a 4ghz ryzen will provide 144 fps on a 1440p 144hz screen, with better 0.1 and .1% lows (meaning less frame drops than intel) with all the graphical settings set as high as they can go, is there any reason why i would care about intel's higher clocks and lower IPC? The game is going to look even better because it wont suffer from those microstudders that intel cpu's are well known to have in some games, while providing all the grames the monitor can display, while being on an architecture that will be the architecture that next gen games will be optimized for by default (due to the consoles), For a lower price. why would i care about the tiny amount of fps loss i'd get from a few hundred mhz? if you can do 155 fps, and i can only do 144. wand we both have 144hz screens, im not sure that the whole clockspeed angle is quite as performant as you were thinking. Intel and Amd cpu's game pretty much identically, Intel has higher Average total fps, Amd has superior 0.1 and 1% perfomrance and better frame pacingn consistency. i'd rather have the chip that doesnt bog down as easily in those low areas. But thats just me.
Bought my 7700K on february 2017 No one was expecting ryzen to be THAT competitive on intel... Either way i'm still very happy with the performance of the chip for gaming and a bit of editing,it still holds strong on that single core performance :) I remember having an i5 3470 when i bought a computer on 2013 and it lasted only 2 years until i had issues,my current pc is almost 4 years old and i think im gonna stretch it out 2 years more...so if you ask me i have no complaints!
Ryzen wasn't really great for gaming. I bought in march. What no one expected was Intel would pull a fast one with coffee lake. That's where we got screwed.
This CPU is even worse in Laptops with Overheating issues in almost all brands, Undervolting to -140 lowers the temp down to 85 celcius and 80 with liquid metal.
2023 and I'm still rocking my 7700k lol it was my first build and it doesn't seem all that troubled with the games I play. I really want to upgrade now that I'm noticing the minimum spec for some newer games is getting closer. I'm going to wait until later this year to see what the new Intel chips are like.
As an i7 7700K owner I noticed an interesting thing. The only games that heavily bottleneck this CPU at 1080p/high-ultra are late AC titles (origins, odyssey), even when OC’d to 4900MHz. In fact origins and i7 7700K were both released in 2017, so imagine my frustration when basically brand new CPU I had was struggling at 95-98% most of the time! Besides that I have no problem with this as a gaming CPU right now, so I guess I’ll wait for another year before upgrading it.
If your not going for futuristic gaming, honestly i7 7700 is a great gaming chip. Intel only stepped up their games recently making old processors look shit
damn, I was excited about upgrading my 7700k to a 10700KFand then Steve towards the end said, "upgrading to a 10700k might not give you additional performance in games"
Bro My present config is I7 7700 non k, MSI b250 pro VH , 32GB corsair vengeance, cooler master v650 80 Plus gold , Nvidia RTX 3070 FE , 6 Case Fans., cooler master hyper 410r CPU cooler. 250gb 850 & 860 evos. Shoud i upgrade to i7 11700 non k wd b560 motherboard. ???
Still running my i7-7700k today at a 5.1ghz overclock. Don't plan on upgrading unless the 4xxx ryzen are better in games or the rocket lake Intel cpus.
I currently use a 7700k as a gift from a friend and have been searching for my first big expensive CPU upgrade to personally buy for myself to pair with my 2080 Ti. Looking over at team red and modern intel 10th gens but tbh, as someone who really just doesn't do very much productivity work, I still haven't seen a reason to jump ship. It gets hot, sure, and if I was a day one buyer, I'd feel a little scorched, but for gaming, I still see no reason to replace this puppy. So bad for production, good for gaming.
My i7-7700k died last month, bought on late 2017 and still had one month of warranty! 😜😅 I am going to miss it but oh well, welcome i7-10700K now! Although I've looked for the Ryzen 7 3700x I still prefer to spend a little bit more for the highest fps in gaming, I'm not into programming, production or image/video editing. To be honest I will buy Ryzen in the future, not just yet, the cpu is still refining and I see great progress and promise that it will surpass Intel in overall, let's hope the 4000 series kicks Intel finally in gaming.
You did fine. I upgraded from my 7700k @ 4.9 to a 3700x earlier this year. It's a wash in gaming performance. And since I don't do any of this productivity stuff it's no faster in any other circumstance either.
