Awesome to see Intel enforcing dual-channel memory for the Arc certification! Makes it way easier for the consumer to tell they'll get max iGPU performance
If you meant asynchronous dual channel mode with differing sizes of ram. Intel and amd already have that, part of the ram runs in dual channel speed and the extra is just slower
"Arc" certification is largely a gimmick nobody really cares about, just like "Intel Ultrabook" certification from years ago. Why? Because the terms are so loose and varied and they just hand it to any manufacturer who works with Intel for R&D.
@@Sheltur_0311 wrong - you actually do "Ultra" are named with 3 diggits: 1st digit - generation, currently all ultra cpus are 1** -> by looking at next examples, it is clearly seen that next generation will be 2** 2nd digit - tier segmentation, *2* - *3* are "Ultra 5", while *5* - *7* are "Ultra 7" so simple comparison to i5 and i7 3rd digit - overall "tier' of that CPU, higher number here = higher TDP and higher clock (gpu, cpu or both) example Ultra 5 134U vs Ultra 5 135U only difference in those 2 are: - 150MHz GPU clock difference - increased CPU base from 9 to 15W - increased CPU Turbo power from 30W to 57W I mean - this is REALLY smart move from intel do you want them to release another generation with 5 digit naming? xd
These new iGPUS make it actually sensible to go without a GPU on a laptop. I really hope we get this iGPU performance on the 15th gen desktop chips. I still see people using i9-7900X's and 1080Ti's that say they will upgrade when Intel 15th Gen and RTX 5000 series come out. Props to them for the longevity.
15th gen desktop cpus.... I've not been following any rumors/leaks on those, but this time I truly hope that the desktops will be getting equal process node and feature improvements as laptops get. 11th gen was bad for Intel when desktops were being far worse than laptops. It hurt laptop reputation also.
This lineup is really smart on Intel's part. It allows them to bin their CPU's and have a wider margin for error on their manufacturing. Instead of trying to shoe-horn production into just a couple SKU's, they take a broad range of manufacturing "defects" and bin them to whatever performance lines up with the SKU, being slightly conservative. The silicone lottery is alive and well.
@@damara2268 4 years late??? intel did this b4 amd create Vcache and ciplet.. intel pioneer ciplet CPU not AMD..intel did this with their pentium cpu in early 2000 and abandoned it because it's unpractical on that time
Intel made a right step in right direction and most importantly achieved all of that with in house chip packaging made out of chiplets/tiles also from the TSMC which is pretty cool. I think this in house chiplets/tiles packaging deserves also a lot of credit as Intel is on to something probably even more advanced, than AMD. I wonder what Apple will do with their M chips eventually when they will need to cut them in chiplets as well.
while im happy that intel now has something competitive to keep AMD in check im a bit concerned about performance consistency being all over the place i hope that the fix it within the generation and not gatekeep it to later generation like apo and 12/13th gen.
@@Lollllllzi stil think its also intel issue. however i think intel will resolve it quickly since the success of meteor lake is very important for them.
it’s not enough, strix releasing soon will battle meteor lake probably and then strix halo, the actual big improvement is going to drive it home even more before intel even releases their next chips
wouldn't it be smart to normalize battery life per Wh of battery, when the devices have so very different battery specs? I mean, for example in the heavy load test (2:19) The Zenbook 14 (1) has 1.77 min/Wh, wheras the Zenbook 13 (2) has 1.76 min/Wh of battery life. So basically identical ?
I agree with you. However, reviewers normally account for the price of the product. And price matters more for most consumers, but it does seem very unfair to compare two processors in battery life with two very different battery sizes. These seem to go to double digit difference in Wh!
A proposed solution to the Intel CPU gaming scheme: For desktop parts, instead of having the "i" before i3, i5, etc., have "d" for desktop. For laptops, have "m" for mobile. The rest of their naming scheme can stay the same. For example, the Intel m5 15600K and Intel d5 15600k. That would make things really easy for consumers. I may be overlooking a factor, but it shouldn't be that difficult.
I actually think it's better when the desktop and mobile parts have different naming schemes. The chips are bound to be very different regarding core and iGPU configs. Calling them (almost) the same would be eerily similar to NVIDIA, who currently offers "4090" GPUs in notebooks that are basically underclocked 4080 desktop chips.
@asdfjkloe I understand but most people buying laptops aren't into tech like you and I. As it is, most people only check to see if a computer/laptop is an i3, i5, i7, or i9.
I want to see a couple months of reviews and driver improvements, but I'm really excited to see where Meteor Lake can end up. So much new stuff here. Give it time.... Thank you!
Great to see Intel finally innovating, but in terms of igpu they are matching AMD not overcoming it. And yeah 16 gigs of ram in dual channel is a must, considering some smartphones have 12 to 16 gigs olready.
I do agree but don't forget the RX 700M IGPs have several years of driver development behind them whereas ARC doesn't. Especially when you consider the ARC dGPU and IGP driver branches are separate
@@HardwareCanucks I'm pretty sure that the driver branches are the same. The Intel ARC graphics driver do support/(are the same on) Intel's 11-14th gen series, you can check it on their Driver support page
@@j340_official That's the GPU. I don't care about gaming. I'm more interested in overall performance and AI support. But even leaks suggest that HP should have a small boost in gaming too. And Strix Point and Halo should be here by the summer offering performance closer to a 3050 and 4060/70 respectively. I'm just shaking my head because Intel has dropped the ball so hard going as far back as 2017. Starting with the constant 10nm delays to - well - this coming out a year late. It's just embarrassing and really pisses me off how far they've fallen.
Amd is ready to milking fanboy with the same cpu and gpu as you can see they already confirmed ryzen 8000 series featured the same cpu and same radeon 780m too except with added half baked ai chip which is obviously inferior than the one on Intel meteor lake. When Amd releasing 8000 series, Intel is ready with Arrow Lake which also has Battlemage igpu. Things gonna be worse for Amd.
E-cores are space-efficient, not power-efficient, so it's great to see Intel doing _something_ to address the power draw problem. Looking forward to a revisit when the inconsistency is sorted out.
@@lordec911perf/watt and power draw are two different things. E-cores have higher perf/watt than P-cores but they likely operated at clocks too high to improve battery life. Unlike big.LITTLE, all cores are on and chugging power. Plus Intel never advertised the E-cores as a means of improving battery life, reducing overall power consumption nor heat. They really exist to add more CPU cores within a reasonable space budget.
Intel's E-cores aren't, otherwise E-cores are generally both more area and power efficient than P-cores. On the Apple M1 for example an E-core takes up 1/4 the space and draws 1/10 the power of a P-core.
@@lordec911 Smaller cores are fundamentally more area *and* power efficient. Scaling is very roughly square, so if you make a core twice as big it gets 41% faster rather than 100% faster.
I'm just hoping either intel or AMD could approach M1's battery life and power efficiency. The M1 macbook is more than 3 years old now yet they're still in high demand. It even entices me, a lifelong windows user, considering its battery life is unmatched by anything near its price range
I knew the performance on this processor sucked right now in inconsistency at least. I watched a review of a laptop with this processor on the Toasty Bros and they were saying how good it was. I could only think how bad it was because they tested one of my favorite games overwatch on it, and not only was it not even close to as good as my new laptop with an 13th gen i5 and rtx 3050 but it sat like right next to my old laptop in performance which has a ryzen 5 3500u processer with Vega 8 integrated graphics.
Omg... intel going back to dual p-core cpus again.. oh shit. In Australia, I can barely find AMD laptops. Every laptop - and I mean everyone has intel chips. AMD chips are offering higher or similar perf at high efficiency, with 8 full power cores vs intel offering 2, 4 and 6 p cores + a bunch of weaksauce cores. This reeks of under the table deals by intel and retailers (again)!
Dave was spot on. Intel launched a brand new architecture and node that barely catches up to AMD and Apple's last gen offerings and still uses more power. Hawkpoint is already launching. Why do you think there are now these two naming schemes? Probably because Intel is struggling with another node shrink and yields are terrible. The majority of units are going to be raptor lake refresh. This is just a paper launch for marketing. Stop doing these mental gymnastics to make meteor lake look appealing.
that blender benchmark would've sold me in a heartbeat if i don't consider high fps gaming on it. looks like i'm still putting the zenbook pro on my bucket list
honestly i can't understand why availability of 7040 in thin & light laptops is so bad even after a year from the launch. It will be a joke if meteor lake laptops come first to online market of our country before Hawk Point loll
Amd still gonna milking fanboy with the same chip and gpu because Amd 8000 series will be massive disappointment because it was confirmed to be 7000 series refresh with the same radeon 780m except they added their half backed ai chip. Meanwhile Intel at that time gonna rocking their second tile chip with new cpu arc and battlemage gpu too for 2024.
@@DavinmkHe spams this forgetting Intel just did the same thing with 14th gen. Unlike 14th gen, Hawxpoint has some changes, like better AI performance and Zen 4 cores across the lineup.
depending on what your' looking when you use laptops, but judging from battery life alone i think meteor lake is worth the wait especially if you can't find simillar laptop with amd ryzen 7040/8040 series yet.
if you can find CHEAP Ryzen 7040 laptops, then I would say go for it, once these are available will be very similar to them but also more expensive, I am afraid. Waiting for more reviews and data is never bad, since new and better software gets released for all laptops.
Glad there is some good results to be seen. A lot of doubters around this new approach. This seems mostly to catch up with the latest Ryzen stuff for performance roughly speaking (in some ways beating it, in some ways losing) -- I call that a truly competitive market, and it can only mean good things for keeping all companies on their toes having to try harder to be better! Very curious how they approach this dis-aggregated design for socketed desktop, since efficiency isn't really championed there so much. Arrow Lake will happen next, so we'll see what they do! I wouldn't mind a faster iGPU on desktop, personally. Not at all. Also, think of the mini PCs with this, finally something efficient enough to compete with the new Apple stuff in some workflows, hopefully without costing quite as much. For a tiny home server that sits mostly idle, I'd want something that sips power. Either something like this or an R Pi.
The good part is chiplet approach not just give intel benefit in efficiency but more importantly the ease of upgrade. What i mean is with chiplet/tile packaging intel can release new gen of processor without upgrading entire chiplets inside the packaging. It also help intel achieve higher yields. Such approach just make live of intel engineers easier so i hope they will able to innovate faster.
this is genuinely game changing, arm like-ish battery (ik arm is still more power efficient, please dont d-ride m1 like always oml) with the compatibility of x86
Yep, i pretty much hyped to this Intel Meteor Lake because it has Arm cpu efficiency while still having x86 cpu greatness unlike Apple overrated m series chip which barely having software and game support.
21 hours of battery life under light load? What page are you guys reloading every 15 seconds? Every single other reviewer doesn't get anywhere near close to that kind of battery life. The most I've seen has been 15 hours, but realistically people are getting between 9 and 12 hours of battery life.
Indeed. How can they call this "nailing it"? Good generational improvements in many aspects for sure, but such large inconsistencies are a very major issue.
Something simillar to intel arc last year. Meteor lake is basically a new area for intel even they already mastered cpu chips. We have to wait see this platform matured over time
What is worse is that different laptops have different 1. Cooling Capacities 2. Power Limit Range (something Intel allows manufacturers to change howerever they want, that end-users can never modify) 3. Default Power Profiles baked-in to OS
I just upgraded from EliteBook 5850U to EliteBook 835 G10 7840U with 32GB and Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, came out about USD1,650 with 5G/LTE, and it is nice, everything working out of box on Linux (Opensuse Tumbleweed); just wish it had 60-70Wh battery. I was looking into X13 or T14s as comeback to ThinkPad but went with EliteBook - availability, price and more silent operation.
Kinda disappointed that a brand new lineup from Intel barely competes with AMDs products that they released a year ago. Especially with a brand new node, Intel 4/7nm which is the equivalent of TSMCs 3 nm. Their single threaded performance is even on pair with their previous generation such as 1360P and 13700H.
like the ultra-low power cores, still wish amd did the same. lately i've been thinking, why not make a single ultra-powered core, a couple of "normal" cores, and a single ultra-low powered core(for single-thread, multi-thread and idle, respectively)
AMD will likely do the same, but at this moment, Intel is burning the world to the ground to come close to AMD's performance. AMD just needs to keep on executing on its plan, and Intel has to hope to it's silicon God that it can keep up.
1:27 the graphs don't make much sense though. Why would a 6800U with 67Wh outperform a 7840S with 70Wh by *6* hours? Probably different windows power plan ...
Nope. Nothing different there. The 6800U has the capability to put itself into a dynamically lower power state than the 7840S. One of the tradeoffs Lenovo made with their "S" models is slightly higher low load power consumption. In addition, you also have to take things such as screen size, resolution, refresh rate, cell size, memory speeds, etc etc. into account.
I fail to see the excitement portrayed in this "preview". The iGPU finally getting an update to match 2024 iGPU expectations is nothing to brag about; it is what we should expect after years of being messed about with Iris graphics. The 35-watt single-core results are similar to two years ago's Intel chips, with multicore higher because of extra cores/threads. I am not sold on the efficiency improvements and await real-world results using it in a mixed workload. But the reviews suggest similar efficiency to the last-gen at the same wattage. But let us be fair and give it a few months to optimise Windows, OEM firmware and apps and then revisit.
Thanks AMD and Qualcomm. Intel probably would have kept cruising along if there wasn't a bit of pressure on them. I am interested to see how the 'snapdragon x elite' and zen5 shake things up next summer. Personally holding off until thunderbolt 5, which looks to be a gen beyond arrow lake.
Is the architecture of Qualcomm Arm or x86? Qualcomm is currently unable to compete with Arm architecture since it is not yet ready to outperform x86/64 under Windows.
@@dickdastardly4801 the average user doesn't care about architecture. It's about performance and efficiency, M3 has already surpassed the upcoming snapdragon, Intel just caught up in efficiency and AMD will do even better next year. By the time the new Arm PCs come out there will be nothing special about them.
@@melkalwith how bad windows arm experience is, yeah people definitely gonna care about architecture. unless Microsoft can fix those issues nobody gonna buy windows arm pc. look windows on arm are really halfbaked experience with how spotty software support is
proud of you intel , an igpu basic in everything chipset that allows you 60fps EVEN in modern GAMES. i remember registry mods tricks file swaps and a volt trick to get the INTEL hi definition graphics to even run at "20" fps until i invented an upscaling mode of pure pixel until you correct and sharpen at rate and BOOM NITRO made intel ARC GRAPHICS...
While it definitely is great that Intel caught up to AMD in laptops... well, they have just caught up. However, the 21h battery result you got is exciting. No other reviewer today has had this result, and I watched many lol I hope with more work from Intel (yes, I do think firmware and drivers from Intel are partly an issue too) the battery life will be much better which is the main selling point, and not the performance that we could have already had for many months with AMD Phoenix Zen 4
@@HardwareCanucks Is it even possible to test battery in a synthetic test? Other test I have seen from other reviewers is youtube/netflix videos, a VLC video with airplane mode on, a script that opens websites and browses (and not just refreshes the same one, although, I assume the load ends up being the same one), and then an idle one that, while unrealistic, does help to know the efficiency of the chip if nothing else. All of those are real life workloads. I do agree that the 'load' tests are mostly cinebench on repeat, which is synthetic, so maybe that's where real life testing is better. I am excited to see if after firmware and driver changes more tests and workloads will have the extreme battery life you got in your browser refresh test! Remaining hopeful
Hello, Need a suggestion from your end if you can help out my purchase decision 1. Zenbook 14X (i7-13700H) for $700 2. G14 (7735HS) for $900 3. Slim Pro 7 X (6800HS-CE) for $800 If not any of these which one would you suggest to be the best buy under $900. Much love, thanks
@@HardwareCanucks 7000 and 8000 don't denote architecture. 8040 is a refresh (Zen 4, by the name) but that's not all the 8000 chips that will come out next year. 7000 series have even Zen 2 mendocino chips with very outdated performance, meant for ultra-budget laptops. 8050 processors will contain Zen 5 laptops with a big jump in performance. I don't know what @allergictobs9751 meant, if Hawk point or strix, but the latter will most likely be much ahead of this. Even matching their competiton is still very good for Intel though, compared to where they have been until now
@@Davinmk It isn't coming until 2H 2024, and knowing AMD it will be a quarter or two after that before they get into the market with any real volume. That gets them pretty much to the release time of Intel Arrow Lake and Lunar Lake.
Why in the world would you assume the performance variance is due to Asus’ build quality or lack thereof? It feels obvious to me that the first culprit to look at would be the new thread scheduler and/or the introduction of a THIRD distinct core type that Windows’ and Intel’s own schedulers have to account for.
The schedulers become very much irrelevant when pushing a full core workload. It would potentially be an issue if we'd only be talking about lightly threaded scenarios wherein the scheduler is much more involved in directing traffic interactions whereas in a full core load it just says "everything here".
As if consumers weren't confused enough by hundreds of models from every brand , intel and Amd decided to worsen it with their naming scheme . Just keep it simple like Apple silicon for fks sake ! 1) Something like Inter core lite (i3) , Intel core (i5) , Intel core pro( i7) ,Intel core ultra or pro max(i9). 2) Next two character represents the generation eg: 14th, 15th gen etc 3) Finally last suffix represents special characteristics and power lvl eg: H , U, P etc 4) With this name scheme there would be : intel core 15 lite , intel core 15U/H/P , intel core 15H/HX pro , intel core 15H/HX ultra. Replace " Intel core" with " Ryzen" for AMD . No weird long string of numbers , no 6 different versions of same chip with different prices and best part is even if someone unfamiliar with tech and cpu sees the name they can take a good guess on what to choose since this name scheme is common in smartphones too ! You don't need to break your head over a cpu :)
The reason why Intel and AMD have so many unnecessary skews is to limit the commoditization effect for manufacturers and resellers. The confusion allows everyone to make more money. Apple on the other hand has very few skews because they do everything thus streamline to save on costs. The con is Apple prices are outrageous especially on iPhone where tiny bumps in storage that cost Apple only a few dollars is sold for hundreds of dollars of additional markup.
Still not feeling compelled to switch back to x86 even 3 whole years later. Kudos Apple, for engineering a chip that Intel and AMD have been trying to compete with in the mobile space for years.
Your battery life tests, as usual, are wildly inaccurate. Just Josh's extensive testing regarding this topic revealed that Meteor Lake chips' power efficiency has barely any improvements from previous generation.
@@HardwareCanucks Maybe, but your "hours" are unrealistic and not true to majority's user experience. Same as many of Eber's reviews that has 20 hours on a chart for a laptop that would only last 6-7h in real life. You and I know those 20h are artificial testing numbers but a random layman person who pulled up the first vdeio on youtube looking to buy a new laptop doesn't know that, and you put no disclaimers on any videos. Which makes us question your integrity on other topics as well.
Interesting to see where the laptop industry is moving💪👍. Being a new architecture, like Ryzen and Alder Lake, Meteor ☄Lake is going to need some time and maturity of drivers, windows scheduling etc 🤔and give it a solid 12-month and we’ll see the true nature of how Meteor ☄Lake and how well or bad it truely is🤯. I think tbh, like Ryzens debut, we’ll see a lot of teething issues, inconsistencies (as shown), performance issues, battery life concerns etc. But it seems Intel is pulling AMD and trying fro the fine wine 🍷approach 😅😂🤣
so what is it's REAL power consumption? Constantly showing it in charts as a 35W unit is not an indicator of how much they consume, just as placing a larger battery in the laptop does not equate to better efficiency when looking at run time. That is called cheating.
Intel has head start and all the time in the world to be what Arm it is today in the past, but no, they chose to exploit their monopolized position to make very calculated minimal improvements over the decade (kind of like what Apple is doing now imo), all the good stuff suddenly appears ONLY after Arm threatens their dominance (and profit of course). That's what make me sick with Intel, they don't make these improvements because it's what their customers want over the decade, they improve ONLY it's because Arm is finally going after a slice of their profits, I am putting my money on Arm in my next purchase just to support the cause Qualcomm has impacted on the market.
Intel really botched 14th gen on desktop. They could have just launched the 14500, 14600 and 14700 non-k variants. Strong iGPU, better efficiency and similar performance is all that was needed.
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This is only renamed raptor lake with 22 threads and new igpu while single core of meteor lake are actually around same as of 13700h or something lower
I feel like this is Intel finally catching up with AMD. And since AMD Next Gen is around the corner. I wonder how good will it be. Good thing intel is finally awake for Ultra Laptops
Even when they're innovating, Intel gotta Intel. One thing about Apple Silicon - it made it super easy to explain to the layperson which processor is which. The names may sound silly at first, but as I help more and more customers with them (I work in tech retail) I have to hand it to Apple, they really got the "selling" part down and made the different processors super easy to talk about. Intel on the other hand with the gobblegook names is shooting themselves in the foot before they've even gotten to the starting line, yet again.
can it compete with apple m3 or qualcomm snapdragon x-elite? in terms of battery life and NPU? when training a machine learning model, the apple m3 is even faster than any pc with nvdia with a low power consumption during training.
I think you're overselling it a bit. Cinebench and Geekbench show IPC regression. The fact that the current AMD chips which are about to be succeeded by Hawk Point, are still very competitive with Meteor Lake, can't be understated.
why am i still seeing intel notebook processors spiking above 100 watts in 2024...performance may be good or similar to ryzen but , whats the point if it conumes the power of 3 ryzen processors.. (in turbo boost mode)