To be fair, the 10400 was being recommended as a great budget option too, especially once the B560 boards came out and it became possible to use RAM at its full XMP speeds.
@@Hardcore_Remixer Not really 12400/F is more like the exception. The rest of the lineup going up get almost exponentially hotter and more power hungry.
Competition is good. Love seeing how a mid-low end i5 chip can compete with the 5600x and cheaper at that. Thanks AMD for pushing Intel to be better and good job Intel for catching back to AMD in a single generation.
I would say it took intel 2 generations to make a good comeback, but I really hope that they keep pushing each other going forward, especially in the mobile space
@@hanmaruf2919 AMD 5000 didn't happen until a while after gen 10. And even then the 10400F and then 11400F remained good value options when they both beat the 3600.
@@hanmaruf2919 dont forget 9 10 11 gen was BEFORE the 5000 series what you on about? also in the low end Intel was still the only choice for a while, 5600x came with a price increase
I feel the natural competitor of the 5600X is the i5 12500 in terms of frequency and price (or 12600 if you really match the prices and want to know "the best six-core"), but it doesn't quit that the i5 12400f is definetly the new budget king and the i3 12100f the ultra budget king. Good to see more accesible procesors in the market.
I think in the past I compared a XX400 against XX500 series and found it was basically pointless, so figured here it makes sense to just go for the lower cost option.
@@JarrodsTech well, it makes sense since the diference between 12(4/5/6)00 should be minimal as you say, this was just me wanting to see a "competition" but i understand most people would be more interested in the cheapest i5. Anyway, thanks for the time to answer and the always great content, Jarrod.
You know, as of 9/29/22, the 5600x is just ONE DOLLAR more than the i5 12400f. Given that my PC will be doing mostly gaming, and that the difference between the 12400 and 5600 was either that they were right next to each other or the 5600 was way above the 12400 in performance, I think I've made my decision. Thanks for the thorough comparison!
It’s crazy to think that it took nearly two years to finally beat the R5 5600X. AMD is pushing Intel into a more competitive market, which is great for consumers who now have more options to choose from.
@@osopenowsstudio9175 AMD has been doing that for years... all RX GPU' s offer better performance for the same price or same performance for less money.
Shame you didn't test Power Draw while gaming, this is where this i5-12400F looks 50% more efficient than r5 5600x. This Alder Lake CPU draw power only 40-50w while ryzen is 70w+.
that efficiency take it with a grain of salt since the 5600X is generally the faster chip. if you lower the clockspeeds of the 5600x to match the performance of the i5 you will have once again the same wattage..
Looking forward to when retailers drop prices when am5 comes out. The 5000 cpus are great still with a price drop theyd be fantastic. But intel is actually competing finally.
The 5900X is about USD 450 in my country now, but still more expensive than the 12700K. If I was building a gaming rig it would be a no brainer to get the 12700K.
Don't know how it works in other countries, but I've never seen a 40% price drop on a cpu. If I wanted to upgrade a little bit without changing my 5 year old motherboard, the price to performance on those cpus just makes zero sense.
@@TheGXDivider That depends because the motherboard costs are often vastly different. To get a 12700k you need a $200+ board that is a Z series. You could get a 5900x + b550 for roughly the same price and that would be faster.... No need for X series boards from AMD...
In my region r5 5600x and i5 12th cost exactly same. But given the motherboard cost is higher for 12th gen, ryzen 5 is cheaper. And also we can only buy i5 12th if we're building a pc from their shop.
As a Ryzen user i can say that alder lake is looking good. Ryzen 5600x price should be reduced as fast as possible. Amd is doing what Intel done some time ago. Keeping high prices basically.
That's not it, what happens is that AMD's chips are built by tsmc and with the scarcity of chips in 2020-2022 because of pandemy causes tsmc is extremely saturated, on the other hand intel has its own production plants so they can produce more chips than AMD can right now. By the way, I just ordered the 12600k, looking forward for it to arrive, finally I'm changing my old ryzen 7 2700x.
@@ScavengerFX You are either full of shit or you live in a country where AMD isn't available. Intel is literally more money for less performance, while using more power and requiring a beefier cooler. Maybe you work for Intel.
I used to be team red, I remember when I would root for AMD back in 2016 with my FX 8350, hoping 1st gen ryzen would do solid. Here I am with a Ryzen 5 3600, AMD jacked up the prices on all of their crap, being greedy with their business practices and really don't care about the consumer; never thought I'd be happy to see Intel clap back at them.
Having lower profits back then, their R&D definitely was limited. You can't just ask the board for more R&D budget without seeing an increase in profit. With more command on pricing now, I hope AMD will invest it back to R&D
They are running a business. At least they don't release redundant, pointless products like Intel used to do (for more money I might add). Looking at you Kaby lake.
AMD isn't "being greedy" they have a finite number of CPU's and quite a bit of debt pay off and shareholders to appease. Intel has like 5x the mfg capacity (of just CPU's) vs AMD's entire wafer allocation @ TSMC.... The reason all their cheaper stuff is still on Zen1 and Zen+ because its made at GloFlo and AMD can still compete on price there. The Zen2 and Zen3 stuff all uses the same wafers which are already in short supply.... AMD has massive orders from big HPC and datacenter customers and cannot afford to allocate wafers to build budget CPU's which turn $0 in profit at the cost of high re-design and re-tooling costs. Budget CPU's only can break even with massive volume that AMD cannot do. The more you understand the semiconductor industry the more you understand that AMD is a victim of its own success. Not that they have gotten greedy.
oh man, think first before buying something. all those talks about crap are pointless, just check what is better price/performance and buy it. you have plenty of info with tests nowadays
I’m a bit confused @5:30 “Basically the right side shows how much faster Ryzen was in some tests, while the left shows how much slower Intel was compared to Ryzen.”
Excellent benchmark and comparison! However, especially in the budget category, I'd recommend always including a more E-sports heavy title in your benchmarks. There will be plenty of League/CS:GO/Valhalla/Fortnite players looking for systems in this range. Thanks for touching on the points like motherboard price and upgrade path as well, it didn't occur to me that the Intel upgrade path is better in this particular case.
Great job by Intel. The only reason i would go Ryzen is because of much better motherboard options. My i5 8400 still manages to get 144fps in every game i throw at it (need that for 144hz monitor) so i should probably just save the money and snipe a better GPU
What are your specs? I got i5 9400F coupled with RTX 3060Ti and I have crazy bottleneck issues with my build! 144fps for my build is like impossible at the moment. Am I missing something here?
@@abskulOfficial Yea in my case it was games like CS:GO that were able to get 144fps, everything newer was a big bottleneck. Recently i upgraded to i5 12400f and bottleneck was completly removed. You need a faster cpu for that gpu 100%
@@LaxonPfc I have heard that 12400f runs hotter and has throttling issues in stressed conditions. How's your experience? Did you consider R5 5600X while upgrading?
@@abskulOfficial 63°C max temperature in CPU heavy games with stock cooler. I bought cheap 20$ cooler and now my max temp is 52. The only actual problem with stock cooler is noise, its waaay too loud. I did consider r5 5600 and thats probably even better option right now since u can upgrade to amazing ryzen 5800X3D in few years if u need to
@@robertstan298 How is $70 moot? Also you can baseclock overclock the 12400s with b series boards, to insane levels. Find a good deal on a motherboard and there is 0 reason to buy AMD ( other than already having the AM4 board).
Bro can u do sim racing titles on your benchmarks? Because most Sim Racing titles like iRacing & Assetto Corsa Competezione rely heavily on cpu when there's like more than 20 and above people on a server and I think it's a good cpu benchmark. Also note that most sim racing titles are heavily reliant on single core performance, thanks! edit: F1 2021 is not a racing simulator
@@hevz6339+ B660, H610, H670 and Z690 are for the LGA1700 (12th series). Z690 is the way to go when getting a 12600K and above. B660 is better when using a 12400f and it's also not overclockable and other mobos than the Z690 may not even support cpu overclocking.
@@polardabear you seem to have good knowledge about this so what’s your assessment, right now am thinking of buying a b660 asus tuff plus Wi-Fi motherboard (or whatever it’s called) and parring it with a intel core i5-12400f, though with planes in the future to upgrade to a better cpu, whether it’s a higher 12th gen or 13th gen and also ddr5, will it work or do I need a better motherboard for this?
@@hevz6339+ The motherboard you're looking at is a bit expensive (219€). With that price i would go with Z690. Also DDR5 ram is right now not worth it.
@@polardabear I know ddr5 ain’t worth it right now am just thinking for the future, but I have heard a lot of decent things about the tuf motherboard, if you say I should go for z690 chipset then what do you think about ASUS prime WiFi d4? It’s still relatively in the budget for me and seems to work with the specs.
I think spending a bit more to get non F version is hugely better, Intel's igpu will give a great performance boost in many creative applications and often handy in troubleshooting too. Overall, I5 is a much better deal as the gaming difference with be lower with Lower tier GPU too. it is such a shame AMD released 6 core 1600AF for $84 when it was an underdog and then literally eliminated ryzen 3 line budget line and put a tag of $300 for 6 core 5600x. How time reveals the nasty face of companies!
Didn't the 1600AF use the 14nm process from AMD's former foundry? I wouldn't say AMD completely dropped the R3, but Zen 3's certainly isn't available in the DIY space. (Perhaps Zen 3's yields were _too_ good. Not helping matters is the fact that TSMC's faced especially high demand on top of Taiwan experiencing drought conditions, the latter making semiconductor production more difficult.)
@@sonicboy678 1600AF used 12nm process. ryzen 5 series 1600,2600,3600 all had generation improvement for similar price range, but 5000 series was like, you cant get the benefit of next gen if you dont pay 100$ extra.
Both processors seem great to me. Also, how often would the average person change their PC, every three or four years? In general, all current products perform excellently. I admire AMD products but personally I'll stick with the 12400f for a long time to come.
The End of the AM4 Platform was the Ryzen 5800X3D, which offers Ryzen 7600X performance on an AM4 Platform. Ok, not launched or announced at the time of making this video ...
Am4 still supports one future cpu for upgrade, 5800X3D. It would probably has the same gaming performance as the 13th gen i7, and be a significant upgrade from 5600X.
Hey Jarrod, should I go for the i5 - 11400F or i5- 12400F because in my country 12400f with b660 costs about $200 more than 11400f with b560 ( I am totally fine with DDR4). I don't think the performance gap will be worth this much.
@@AdityaGupta-om8ez I guess that B660 is quite a bit better but still that's a huge difference. Unless you play CPU heavy games at 1080p or plan to upgrade to 13th gen Raptor Lake, I'd go with the 11400f.
Right now in the US the 12400 can be had for $170 USD and the Ryzen 5 5600X can be had for $240... AMD is being really bad about lowering prices in the light of competition and should be avoided at this point unless you are stuck on an AM4 platform. Heck, even the 12600K ( which I recently bought to be an intel build alongside my 5600X build) cost $250 and performs better than the 5600X and in some instances the 5800X.
E sport titles like R6 seige, CS GO and Valorant are heavily l3 cache dependent. That is why the Ryzen shines here. This is the same difference seen when testing the 5600g and 5600x. It is not an 'issue' like you said The bigger cache helps AMD spread its legs here.
The competition here is good, but the reality is that the Intel motherboards are roughly double that of the AMD motherboards... meaning that you cannot build a 12400F machine for less money than a 5600x machine. Making the 12400F pointless. Also Newegg keeps having sales on the 5600x bringing the price down to around $260 which closes the gap even further.
@@taylorbristow6067 AMD b550. ASrock is just one of the companies making motherboards, the B550 chipset is made by AMD and is used by all the different board makers.
@@polarbear9672 A month later there are some cheaper B660 boards.... however considering how limited the features are and how AMD has dropped prices.... its kinda pointless.
One thing people forget is then while cpu is 90$ more and in % terms looks relative high, when u compare to the entire system Cost $1000, it’s only 9% more expensive for 9% more performance… $90 is only good if you use it to upgrade gpu tier.
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@@BarAlexC it is not the same level of performance and 5600x is a proven cpu and now over 1 year old so there is that. If you build new sure. Also it can still be had for less than 290, have seen it many places for 260. At the same time u can drop in 5800x3d, 5950x but most likely oft 12400f system you would need to overbuy mb to support 12900k.
Can you please make a video on which are the best laptops under $1000. For every price segment like $300, $400, $500, $600, $700, $800, $900, $1000 Divide them into categories based on prices. Like for example, For $300 this models from hp, dell, lenovo, msi, asus, acer are best. Do for all price segments and for all brands
5600x prices comes down on 229$ and 12400/f are around 180-208$ and that means when you combine them with cheapest mobos then pc build are basically same cost
@@JarrodsTech Thanks Jarrod , I was waiting for this comparison since 1st feb and glad to know about this as i can't choose for which i should go as a programmer : )
I find the B660 on offer to be quite lacking in the value department, the lower price cut off being noticeably above where B550 start (and there's even cheaper options than this). So value wise there isn't much of a difference (provided you find a 5600X on offer, but that's not too hard nowadays, even seen some at $220). It's sure is nice to have options in a pinch tho.
it won't be that great if you actually buy it. You will need motherboard and amd boards are much cheaper. Even if you want to use crappy board with no heathsinks and crappy audio and ethernet than you will pay more than good quality b550 board cost.
@@gameison4813 big VRMs aren't needed for Non-K products, and Mobo pricing are high due to demand and low supply. 5600X is a good deal if you can get a used one for $160-200
Wow this really turned around for AMD with some price cuts, game bundles & price hikes for Intel. I was considering the 12400 or 12400f but when the 5600 was much cheaper even then the F model it was kinda a no brainer. Good to see neither company absolutely sucking.
You think getting a 5600 is better than 12400f? Im looking for a cpu with good multi tasking and good performance overall in gaming.5600 is 160 dollars and i5 is 200 where i live
Keep in mind, if you plan on an ARC gpu for your system, you do not want an "F" chip. ARC gpu's will utilize Intel IGPU for a performance gain not available with "F" and AMD chips.
July 2023. Just bought a used 5600X with box and cooler for 122€, shipped. The Intel 12th gen chips are very expensive, both used and new. If someone wants to build a new system, but doesn't have lot of money, then AM4 is the best option.
@@Mr11ESSE111 AMD dropped prices a bit now(at least in my country) so again it's just a matter of preference which platform you go, both price/performance are about the same zen3 vs alder lake. Ryzen 5900x didn't get cheaper tho and it's kinda a bad deal now compared to 12700f which costs 200$ less but performance is the same. I can get a whole 12700f+b660+ram combo here for about the same price as 5900x alone.
@@Mr11ESSE111 It is but for price to performance it got bad honestly, but it's fine because it's an old generation I am very excited to see zen4 will it be able to give us a better price performance for the money or not
@@damara2268 yeah that's right but I do think the 12th gen CPUs are better than the 5000 series from AMD especially for someone is building his first pc because if you already have an am4 motherboard 5000 CPUs make sense in terms of price to performance
@@damara2268 wait for month of two, AMD will soon must lowering prices alot because sale will go down and zen4 is still far away and its questionable in performance too
as always intel has hidden costs in the high motherboard and memory prices forcing you to upgrade while with amd you probably already had the am4 motheboard so the cost is only the cpu hence why saying intel is cheaper is not true when you look at the total cost a processor alone does not a computer make
Not really now since , now will take departure from am4 socket and coming with new am5 and also same case with intel (always new mb ) so .. i guess here i would go for intel .. but when am5 comes in with 7600 lets see who will lure my pocket
Better check those two CPU prices as of today 3-15-22 and you'll find that the R5 5600X is at Micro Center for $209 and the i5 12400 "NON F" is $169 so, seems like a great time to upgrade to a new CPU whether your Team Red or Team Blue ;)
In India 5600X is Cheaper than 12400F Even 5600X supported Motherboards Are Cheaper Than B600m Motherboards People don't realise the price change due to motherboard cost
The i5 makes sense to new builders but for who already have the am4 motherboard ryzen still makes sense. With the 8cores the things turns in favor of Intel definitely. Lets see what amd brings with zen4 and am5.
Great review. But statements such as, "Probably due to the extra cache" regarding the 5600x overall better gaming performance needs to be explained better. Maybe talk to Game developers or Game engine developers on how that actually helps. The 12400F might be crippled next year when the newer games are released because of its smaller cache.
It's not like GPU VRAM. However generally CPUs will try to keep data that it thinks is relevant later on in cache which saves some time. However performance is never completely dictated by cache amount. Generally Intel CPUs have less latency when it comes to going into deeper caches (L2/L1 cache) & even calculations done by the CPU could very well be actually faster!
Intel is A LOT harder to cool while AMD is fine with the stock cooler. Putting both under a powerful AIO gives Intel the advantage. BTW AMD can be overclocked full stop, Intel demands expensive motherboard. Not really an even use case scenario, AMD has the advantage of giving a lot more at that price point but it gets overlooked once you add expensive cooling and such, which doesn't belong in a budget build. Also, 5600x is also 200 now, those were inflated prices...
But to use the I5 u have to pay more in MB and RAM... Not a really big deal if u mention that for the same money that u pay for it, with amd have a better MB and ram... Or i'm wrong? sorry my bad Eng.
Not anymore. You can get H610 for $80, B660 for $95, and Z690 for $180. Those are budget boards but it goes to show that LGA1700 boards arent expensive anymore, and that excuse is outdated.
Not surprising. Intel 12th gen performs better and is cheaper for every model compared to Ryzen. Intel is back on top while AMD has nothing new to offer except high prices.
5:29 "how much faster Ryzen was" and "how much slower Intel was" are the same thing. it should be "how much FASTER Intel was compared to Ryzen". yeah, those numbers are negative and its technically correct BUT sounds like Intel is losing everywhere. and its not the case.
alderlake was a really hard punch to AMD glad to see that because AMD in my opinion was a little bit overpriced now intel will force it to give much better CPUs with even better prices
There will always be differences because they are tested differently with different hardware. They're not intended to be compared with each other but compared within my results for other CPUs.
Currently the i5 is $30 cheaper than the AMD at Micocenter and I'm trying to put a itx build together. With that the AMD Mobo seem to be cheaper than the 12th gen mobo. UGH decisions!!! Lol
