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So u buy a 11700k for force limits in a K intel version? You know K version don't have cooler in the box? For 90% people play games at home they dont care like me about Watts... Is this video a "look im gonna explain why others guys in youtube get better results" ofc they have, no one buy a 11700k and put a mid range board and enter bios to lower cpu performance this is a complete joke.
@@bastordd if they're enforcing stock power limits on cpu's they should be forcing stock power limits on gpu's also, otherwise gamers nexus is ''ALL OVER THE PLACE''
Nah, not even Drifters can get close to the FX-9xxx's when it comes to spinning wheels frantically for little productive use. Still gotta look backwards to NetBurst for anything equivilent ;)
@@saricubra2867 This is a comparison to Intel themselves.FX was slower at launch or at best equal to its predecessor,this is no different. This also consumes a shitton of power like the FX does.
This is becoming one of my favorite tech channels based solely on the accuracy of the video titles. I don't have to sort through a bunch of BS clickbait titles to find something I care about here. Please keep it up!
Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed are pretty much the only techtubers worth watching. GN Steve goes about things from a very scientific standpoint and HUB Steve (yes, they're both Steves) does wonderful deep dives on specific topics and backs them up an amount of benchmarks that nothing but baffling. In his last CPU vs GPU scaling video he did 1700 benchmark runs to cover 5 CPUs and 6 GPUs and 14 games at 1080p, 1440p and 4k in each and every combination therof... really juicy stuff! :P
@@D-2-the-no I couldn't rank them. They cater to two different audiences and I think they complement each other perfectly. Many who "think they know it all" should go watch some more HUB, as upside-down Steve does a stellar job at explaining context (Tech Jesus has gotten a lot better with that lately BTW), and many who've been around for a while should watch GN to take it to the next level.... I guess that's why they reference each other so frequently. Mutual respect and all that.
@@andersjjensen i feel that tech jesus is just the most knowledgable 'mad scientist' of the two... Where as HUB is also AS knowledgable, but just a gear tooth down. They are both excellent and you cant go wrong with either.
@@LeftJoystick To be frank, Intel's CPUs at least exist. And here I am still waiting for 5900x that I ordered back in December from a pretty big retailer (Proshop) and have absolutely no data nor certainty about when it will arrive. I still wouldn't go for Intel, since I enjoyed Ryzen's compatibility and performance greatly (upgraded from 1700 to 3900x I am using now, to possibly 5900x in the far, far future when they will come onto existence), but all this shitty availability makes me waver.
uh...I have no idea why measuring power consumption during Blender should be a universal approach, how about measuring power consumption during gaming? My 9900K @ 5.1Ghz pull just as much juice as my other R5 3600 with PBO in game. Like 10% of PC buyer give a shit about Blender LOL.
Thanks Steve and the GN gang for the hard work to lay this out like you did. This has been an argument or discussion I've had with people since before Steve started working out of his bedroom etc. Main reason I use few sites comparisons is because of lack of methodology transparency. Yourself, Anandtech/Ian Cutress, and Hardware Unboxed have all upheld your principles over the years and am glad to see the level of success and respect you all have earned. I most certainly will continue my support via the GN Store and direct contributions and happily let the ads roll on YT. Cheers and heres to many more great videos and years ahead.
AMD mobo's are the same, maybe not as far but still. no expert but my X570 has options set to 'auto' with a 'default' (or like name) as an option, makes no sense to me. im boring and run stock, each BIOS update i have to change options from AUTO to default. If out of the box is not 'stock' then what do all the auto OC settings in BIOS do? wish it was less confusing.
That's the state of the market. "Hey, reviewers! Manufacturers are doing some shady stuff with power limits, so keep drawing attention to the motherboard used in your test rig!"
yeah, a lot of rebranding going on. sad thing is they don't even need to try to make something good, it just has to be on store shelves to sell out with current trends.
Imagine them trying to sell you a cpu worse than last year's for more, but not only does it perform worse, draws power comparable to many entire systems, on yet another motherboard, and you can't even use it for workstations unless your into downgrading
That's true I've even seen on site in the UK the 10850k for £339.99 brand-new right now that's a bargain , if I hadn't bough my x570 master 9 months ago I'd snap up a 10850k , instead of waiting for my 5900x back order ,J have a artic freezer ii 360 and full tower tower so cooling is not much of issue currently running a 2700x does quite well for workloads although , I could with more cores and it struggles in my Sims especially with complex aircraft , orbx true earth , scenery etc at max scenery complexity in vr
YES! Bestbuy matched Microcenters in store only price and I got a 10700k for $250 and picked it up 45 min later from down the street. I saw another comment where someone got an i9 10850k for $320 from BB price match.
I can see why some reviewers use the motherboards out of the box config, as that is the experience that most people will probably get. Really the boards should come out of the box complying with the Inel and/or AMD spec. Removing the boosting limits should be an auto OC function in the BIOS that can be turned on if so desired with a warning about power consumption noise and thermals.
but at the same time a power user who understands the functions of the motherboard, such as my i5 9400F on an AsRock b356 pro 4 mobo, with their version of this tech my LOCKED non K series intel chip boosts to over 4.3ghz, its a 2.9/4.1 locked chip. AsRock allows it to overclock itself when intel locks it. This is performance left on the floor for a lot of people.
@@AgentSmith911 but then you get into an area where you forget the true performance for the average person, most people don't mess with many settings and they sure as hell aren't going to say downclock their intel cpu because ryzen doesn't hit those speeds and it's unfair.
That's a misleading metric, as the relation between performance and power consumption is far from linear. As you can see in this video, a different motherboard brought up to 10% of performance improvement at the cost of something like extra 50% of power consumption. And the highest performance per watt would be probably achieved by some Celeron or Pentium.
@@user-xr3rb6pn9m Best performance per watt on X86 are probably some mobile processors like the AMD 4800U or high core count server CPUs at low clocks. Intel can’t compete against the node advantage in that metric. Or disable the boost clocks to gain more on that metric with desktop processors. I can unplug my CPU fan entirely during heavy all core load (like x265/AV1 encoding), and it simply runs entirely passively cooled at ~2GHz all core clock.
I just reinstalled a new 9900k that fried when asus didn't repair my board, but replaced it with a new one. I'm worried about availability, the thermals required for those clocks , and some other third thing. I was happy with my 9900k and didn't see a need to upgrade again. For another ten years. Intel keeps giving me reason to just stay the course. At the time of my build, 9900k was the best gaming cpu, even if barely. I'd have gone with 5950x if it wasn't $1200 and sold out. I just hope my greatly increased understanding of systems from gn and buildzoid help me prevent burning this one too
Competition is a good thing, it's better than before when Intel was barely improving until AMD started kicking Intel's ass so they were forced to try to finally get their butts in gear and try improving their CPUs. Yeah, "cheating" the results like this is not a good way to compete, however as pointed out, it just makes Intel look even worse in comparison, not better. It makes their CPUs look even more power hungry and hotter than they really are, for minimal gains that still are outclassed by comparable AMD cpus. Intel is going to be forced to actually make good CPUs (Assuming they can ever figure out how to go smaller than 14nm) to compete as this "cheating" just hurts them in the long run and won't last long.
The chip is bigger than others from previous gens, it has more surface to dissipate heat, so easier to cool it. PS: this reminds me this year I'm going to need another space heater. I'll run one of these in AVX512 only load: +300W should add nicely to warm up home. My i7 6700K OCed is disappointing: too little power drawn to heat up anything at all.
@@deidian635 I bought the i7 11700k and when I tried to get 5ghzt all core the Asus board was predicting 1.58v and I couldn't even get 4.9ghzt under 1.34v it was insane.
the other day I had a guy say that intel was more power efficient than AMD, but I feel like they are living in a parallel universe where wattage isn't power. That being said, in this real world, it's rather embarassing to use 220-250 watts and not even beat a 135 watt AMD cpu.
@@LurkingLarper losing to amd? yet intel still holds the crown for all core clocks and highest overclock period. Interesting when you look at the FACTS over the fanboi nonsense. Sadly intel is still on top.
My next system is definitely going to be AMD. My current one would have been AMD as well if I didn't need to recover an Intel raid on it. I just wish AMD had released a 5700X this gen.
I found your channel through your chairs video. At the time I didn't know I would be watching like 50 of your videos in a week while planning a desktop build.
Love this channel.. I completely understand the problem, we need more information on the solution. I understand there’s an million different combinations of chips and motherboards and bioses but there’s gotta be something more than “disable MCE” or “set ____ to 56”. I would love to see an “ELI5 Overclocking Guide to Rocket Lake” where it shows disable this, increment this till unstable, then back it off. I know it would be challenging but it’s gotten too complicated even for someone who builds computers, works as Tech Support, and considers himself an enthusiast. In fact, Steve, you’ve admitted many times and even recently that it’s overwhelming for you guys and that you’re still better than most but far from the best/professional. If that doesn’t describe the need for an ELI5, I don’t know what does. Love the channel and my super size modmat!
Now that Intel is facing some stiff competition, one has to wonder when they will start refusing warranty claims for CPUs that have been operated outside of spec.
Great video. This is especially important for fanless PCs or small form factor PCs that are using small low-power PSUs. Limiting Intel's turbo boost is something that I've stuggled with recently with certain motherboards.
Thank you Steve for providing us with information no matter what. I like your reviews so much because they are straight facts! Keep up the good work :)
Well, I've seen enough, no Rocket Lake for me. Ordered the Asus ROG Maximus XIII Hero (Z590) and i7-10700K today to replace my i5-2500K. Will be running it according to Intel guidelines. Love the speedy USB/Thunderbolt 4 ports on the back of the XIII Hero. Happy to see you actually sticking to the Intel guidelines.
If you could do a specific video with data and charts on the recent CPU's/Mobo combos regarding power consumption and cost per watt, it would help a lot of newer PC builders understand their potential electricity bills. Certainly something that is a factor over temps and noise.
When it comes to motherboard reviews specifically, I look for consistency. If I have to pick between two motherboards in my budget with similar features, I'm going to trust the ones that perform consistently and as expected across motherboard and CPU reviews over ones that are all over the place or are operating out of spec.
Also, you showed some temperatures with an aio on this processor, but I'd love to see comparisons with the same work-load and same aio on a 5800X. The ryzen dies being as small as they are have a really hard time getting the heat out of the cores. While the Intel chip will certainly cost more on your electric bill from the extra power draw, I have seen higher temps on games and similar work-loads on the 5800X than the 11700k with similar coolers for most reviews.
@Rahq Vuth Yup - you'd have to have basically a lab to test temperature. Of course you can test the Power being used, but it won't tell you exactly how heat is being dissipated.
Just getting into the gaming/high end PC world and while a lot is still Greek I'm a data nerd and appreciate your info and explanations. Now off into the rabbit hole of stuff to research for full understanding. ;-) Thanks for the quick turnaround on my signed toolkit, very nice!
Of course we all know that when the 17700K arrives it is going to be more or less identical to this one...Intel's CPU development is less eventful than my current dating situation and that is quite frankly impressive
Nah they stepped up with 9th and 10th gen as AMD became relevant, this just seems like a useless sidegrade line to have a release before 10nm is ready. That said, the 17700k will probably just be a reskin of whatever the 12900k is, so you're not wrong.
Hmm, I almost get the impression motherboard makers are trying to make the 11th gen benchmark better just to avoid warehouses of motherboards they can't sell, like what happened with x299 a few years back. so long as production matches what intel makes, I don't think it will be that bad with going trends of "out-of-stock" making just about anything that is on store shelves sell out. I would not be booking the coffin bearers and Stephan F&Tony Igy just yet, this round may be a draw, lol. Great vid Steve and crew. B)
I have a gigabyte motherboard and the same processor it finally makes sense! My temperature is reading consistently about seven minutes into any game to 95 Celsius. After installing a massive dual radiator dual fan air cooler and proper intake and exhaust airflow it only dipped down to 88 Celsius.
@@DaSesh no what I did is remover the upgraded air cooler and put a liquid cooler Corsair 360mm and it resolved it! Can’t even get over 43 Celsius under load, it’s amazing.
Yeah, Intel is now the budget option. In my country the price of a z590 board, 10700k and a hyper 212 is literally 2 dollars more then just the price of a 5800x at retail when they are in stock. Step down to a 10600k and the intel combo is 3 dollars cheaper than just a 5600x alone. It's cool that AMD has turned it around but the pricing is fucked.
@@stepbruv8780 i7-11700K is more or less at the same point, includes iGPU and basically the same perfomance. Instead of the 5800X, the 5900X exists, also, 10850K or 10900K.
@@stepbruv8780 he compared the price of a Mainboard, CPU and cooler against just a CPU. For him, adding a board and cooler to the 5800x would probably make it around 150$ more expensive than the intel combo.
Dayum GN. This kind of stuff is why I have such respect for your channel. Of course, I was aware that there is a difference in CPU performance metrics across motherboards from different manufacturers , but I did not know why. Thank you for helping me gain an understanding of this stuff. I'm going to have to look into how AMD handles power/boost limitations in regards to how the Ryzen 5 5600x I purchased handles these things in relation with different manufacturers (haven't pulled the trigger on a mobo yet). Thanks again, Games Nexus.
Think of it this way this CPU has 8/16 cores and threads, which is more than enough for both gaming and some mid-tier software editing. If you have a decent GPU, it won't be bottlenecked by this CPU. Run it in gear mode 1 and if possible use a CL 16 RAM at 3200 or 3600 dual or quad channel setup, 1000W+ PSU, a nice cooler either an AIO or a well planned Airflow system preferably vertical system to work with convection rules of physics to allow for better air circulation. And you should be golden. This is my objective standing. But if we go into this subjectively. There is no point in comparing CPUs. My advice, don't buy anything, save enough money to buy the best bang for the buck and recycle every 10 years. Because obviously, a cheaper 11700k won't work as well as a high-end Threadripper. So why waste money buying a cheap thing where you can just be patient save money and get the best thing out there? Everything is a waste of sand in that worldview. However, if you absolutely need to buy something and feel that "Oh yis, I didn't buy this stupidly" then go ahead and buy something that costs 10$ more and performs 5.7% less than this CPU, which is pointless nowadays, cos anything above 120fps (which all these new CPUs will be able to provide if they are manufactured properly) shouldn't really matter for gaming nor streaming (if streaming is not your main job, otherwise again, why buy cheap shit, go for the most bang for the buck if you plan to 120% invest yourself in that field). Therefore, I strongly stand against the notion of saying any product manufactured is pointless. Especially when it is by a large company like Intel or AMD. Not me, nor Steve nor Linus, no one except the companies themselves are privy to all the required information to say exactly why these CPUs were built. Pretty sure, bad decisions get made, but they get made for the right consumer reasons. Otherwise their respective business models wouldn't work in the longer term. And here is a hot take for this particular case: If you have two similar products and you buy the cheap one and leave the "expensive" or generationally newer one at the shelf you will be doing what you are required to do. The best way to sell something from last batch is to make a new batch that is very similar to the new one yet is more favorably priced. So consumers will gravitate towards finishing unsold stocks. Ofc intel won't make more 10700K so the one to replace it will be 11700k. 12700k will be of the same logic. Unless you go for the most bang for the buck. You will be stuck in this *buy the old one cos it's the same and cheaper* loop. And you will improve your setup much, much slower than you'd anticipate or plan for it. To conclude: My current setup is ASUS rampage Extreme IV with core i7-3930k and 16gb HyperX blu 1600Mhz ram, Cooler Master Air cooler, 700W PSU with a GTX 1070 8GB no SSD and 1TB hard drive. I made this build back in 2013, which was the most bang for the buck at the time and had cost me close to 4000$ VAT and shipping costs included. The only change I made to it, was add an 240 Kingston SSD around 2017. But that was it and it runs like water to this day. I can play most games on it above 120fps (League of Legends, World of Warcraft, CSGO, Dota 2, heck even No Man's Sky runs on it with decent above 60fps on ultra settings). My point being, if I hadn't gone for the most bang for the buck at that time( I wasn't doing so well financially at the time too), I might have needed to swap out more parts throughout the years and it would cost me more than the 4k I put in the beginning. If and this is a big if, I decide to upgrade now (which I have no issue doing now since I am doing pretty well financially), I would still go for the most bang for the buck. That would last me another 10 or even 15 years (again if all the parts work properly as they should out of the box). Unless consumer grade quantum computing or quantum computational gaming emerges sooner than expected, that, I can't plan for. Then I would have to swap out to that new system/platform. Thank you for your time if you actually read all of this :D
Perfect timing as I've finally upgraded my old i7 to the 10700k and remembered the emphasis you put on this topic back at that series launch. Being the first k sku I've owned I am totally unfamiliar with o.c/bios settings so I really appreciate the amount of detail you've given over multiple videos & articles dedicated just to this topic, as I very much would like to at least start off at base/default settings. So once again thank you GN for what you do!👍
I appreciate what the power limit removal manufacturers are doing. This really helps unlocked chips out if they designed the vrm well (not asrock*). I just use the windows power management setting if I want to change efficiency from performance. The stock cooler works perfectly well on my "65w" chip.
it's the same everywhere, every reviewer is breaking the 11th gen down to the ground when it is actually a good cpu, the 1% lows are always better then 10th gen, and when 10th gen is worse you emphasis the faster AMD, yeah like that you can show off everything to be bad. There is always a bigger fish no ? But calling the 11700 waste of sand is just fanboyism reversed. What did all you reviewers expect ? The next wonder that would blow your socks off ? If you're all that good engineers , show us how to build a cpu then. I think it's appalling how everyone reacted to the 11th gen. Just because the kids didn't get what they were expecting without a clue.
Your right. thats why I just got me a i7 11700K with a Asus Maximus XIII Apex. I dont care about the latest and greatest from Intel. And after looking at the Z690 motherboard prices I though it would be nicer to go for the Maximus XIII Apex and enjoy my DDR4 sticks and my old 1151 CPU waterblock. Instead of getting these over priced Z690 motherboards and over priced DDR5 and CPU Coolers. After i saw the Z690 Gigabyte Auros pro costing 380,- the same price as a Z590 XIII Apex I was done with this Alder Lake hype. 12th gen is such a waste of money for me. I buy what I feel is good enough for me. I dont follow the rest like a sheep.
Gen 11 isnt shit, but its not bias to call it bad, since it HEATS alot, Consumes Alot, without providing more performance. Gen 11 cant compete with gen 12, and i doesnt beat the ryzens 5000 series. Another reason gen 11 is labeled as bad its because of its "flagship" i9 11900k, which is literally an overclocked i7 11700k, and because of less cores, 11900k loses to 10900k in alot of things :/
It WILL not draw more power it CAN draw more power. for gaming you will NEVER see those power draws. and everyone i know will want to run the cpu at the all core turbo at the very minimum. so all limits off mce off. only when you enable mce you need silly cooling these days as then you start to get into the giant overclocks forcing 5+ ghz on all core. my 9900k at all core 4.7 (so no limits) runs a max 185 watts but in reality in games like battlefield 5 it barelty hits 70 watts despite hitting 65 % load.
I have this problem with my old 7700K and a 270H gaming from Asus, where I have too much energy comp. that leads to hi temp reaching the 90 or 98. Nice to understand what happends in this situations.
DUDE, DAMN you are good!! I never knew that some companies cheated on the recommended limits for one. That can't be too good of an idea for me. I'm the type that clicks the XMP profile, then clicks, "overclock!" LOL, I don't want to sit here watching it eat itself alive!
Honestly though, who buys a K skew CPU and doesn't overclock them? Motherboard manufacturers doing funky things would only apply if someone was running stock settings. Since most people buying K skews presumably are going for max, or near max, overclocking, wouldn't that mostly be irrelevant? I mean on Ryzen where manual overclocking is pretty pointless, and has a real chance of degrading the CPU, it'd make sense, because most people run those stock.
Lots of people buy will buy the k skews or unnecessarily high core count cpus because reviewers/forums say they're "the best" pop it in and use it as is because they don't want to deal with stress testing or they get intimidated by the bios.
@@HooDooMagic maybe, but are unenthusiasts really going to sit through reviews of CPUs? I think most of Gamers Nexus's demographic are enthusiasts who would want to overclock. It's not like they're The Verge. ;)
Why someone who isn't going to overclock their CPU would buy any MB beyond something among the basic models which have all the I/O they need. There's a very high chance an OC focused MB, even if minimally will out of the box set the CPU to run "Unlimited Poweeerrrr!!!" PS: rule of cool I believe might be a reason...
I have a suggestion for a video: Full Tower vs Mid Tower - have full tower case manufacturers lost the plot? There are a huge number of "mid tower" cases which can fit three or more 360mm radiators at the same time. But if you look at "full tower" cases, which are supposed to be bigger, nearly all of those are designed for only 360mm radiators as well - at most they seem to offer one 420mm radiator slot, and even if they say they have multiple slots for 420mm radiators, when you check, they DON'T have the room to have more than one installed at a time! If mid towers are 120mm fan based, going up to 360mm radiators, then surely, by logic, the reason to pay the extra to go to full tower is to switch to quieter and more efficient 140mm fan based systems which can hold three 420mm radiators at the same time? If full tower doesn’t give full 140mm fan and multiple simultaneous 420mm radiator support (at least 3 at the same time), in the same way that mid towers already give full 120mm fan and multiple 360mm radiator support, then what’s the point in them even existing? Why would anyone buy them? Is it that much of an ask for case manufacturers to add a couple more centimetres of room to fit these in so enthusiasts can have a zero thermal throttling solution to their overclocking top end thread ripper CPU and GPU custom water loops?
I am wondering why Intel even released the 11th gen. It's a side step that technically is a step backwards. 12th gen is what everyone will be shocked by. I'm grabbing a 8 big cores, 0 little cores, 16 thread 12th gen.
"8 big cores, 0 little cores" That will be basically a Skylake copy or Rocket Lake all over again, we need Big Little and more than 8 cores without chiplets.
Your name sounds so familiar. Have we met? I sure hope NOT! lol And re: tech stuff - Star masterc (below) is right, you need the "chiplets" - the LITTLE cores to do the background work as they supposedly have a lot of punch for their size. I'm hoping Alder Lake is revolutionary in performance for Intel and they once again overtake AMD by a huge leap. If they don't, if Intel's new design only matches AMD even, or surpasses it by just 1 step, buyers may have a more difficult time deciding who they like if core count is no longer comparable 1 to 1.
@@pentiuman Intel won't have a chance with next generation Ryzen 9 6950X if all they bringing to fight is 8 little and 8 big cores in the Core i9 12900K
If you are in Germany I will send you a test sample of some copper nanoparticle paste we are currently working on if you would like. We are seeing up to 7 degrees C improvement over other pastes. We are still testing longevity but so far we have samples running for 10 months with no degradation in performance.
@@excitedbox5705 Hey there, I’m in the United States. I’m not sure if you could ship here, but I would be interested if the shipping price isn’t terribly expensive.
@@excitedbox5705 Hi, I'm form the Netherlands and might be interested. Building a watercooled 5800X system. I used the thermal paste supplied by EK WB, thermal Grizzly I think. Would another paste make a difference?
It would be SO interesting to see a set of benchmarks where you let the board do it's thing, but pair the CPU with a cooler only rated for it's listed TDP. How hot does the mobo consider safe? Or does the whole thing just fall on its face as the CPU protects itself, and suddenly there is not difference between boards?
Pfffffff..... I just plug my CPU directly into my PSU. More power! More performance! I can now cook steak perfectly on it as well. 10/10 would recommend.
The 5950x lower than 5800x wouldn’t be that surprising as there’s quite aggressive binning on the highest sku from AMD. I’ve seen this behavior in other reviews.
I don't think a single reviewer has ever stated if the boost limits were enforced or not during testing before today. No wonder there have been some really squirrelly reviews the last few years. Especially from the less serious youtube channels.
It's actually been stated in every single one of our testing methodology pieces for like 4 years. Anandtech and others have also stated this publicly and clearly.
When I saw GN's review on the 11700k the other day, I immediately canceled my preorder and bought a 10700k for $250. Steve doesn't bullshit and that is why he is respected.
I definitely think MB should run at stock out of the box. That gives the user a chance to learn more about the capabilities of the cpu and MB, and make a decision on how they want the cpu to run. It just makes sense. I know a BIOS can be updated, which may offer additional settings, but providing detailed documentation to the user would be nice. Most of the time, users have to dig for info, if they aren't privy to what the BIOS settings actually do. Good stuff GN, as always. 🍻
Wait... Hold on... From todays standpoint the AMD Zen 3 Release was 5 Month ago. Almost half a year. In all that time Intel "was able" to create a lead of 2 FPS? Ok. I'm done with their 14nm+++++. (All that Pluses are not even a joke anymore and are acutally accurate).
Got a 10700k when I couldn't reasonably upgrade from my 2700x because AMD CPUS were vaporware. Expected to maybe upgrade to 11 series but I guess I'm just going to HODL until Ryzen 6000.
For gaming the 10700K is an excellent CPU and for productivity it is not bad! The 10700K and will see you through the next few years oof high end gaming with no issues. The 11700K is not a good upgrade though we knew Intel were going to be behind the curve until Alder Lake hits, ...and who knows even when Alder Lake hits, they may still be behind the curve. I have the 10700K overclocked to 5.1GHz all core at 1.278v on a 360mm AIO and have no temp issues whatsover...sadly the one thing I want to upgrade is a better GPU but you cannot find one for the retail price ala the RTX 3080! I have the RTX 2080...
Upgrading every generation is, in most cases, absolutely stupid. It's been many many years since we got generational improvements that were worth it. Sandy Bridge were one of the few instances where it made sense. Bulldozer to Zen was another. Not because Zen was THAT awesome but because Bulldozer should have been strangled in its umbilical cord.....
the 10700k is enough for a few years...same as the 5600x at stock and out performs it when overclocked... a perfect gaming cpu....wait till 12th gen or the next amd cpu's to upgrade... 12th gen is meant to be insane from what ive been reading....
Sorry Steve but I had to post this from Userbenchmark, it is F**KING HILARIOUS !!!! Intel Core i7-11700K €344 The i7-11700K is the second fastest CPU in Intel’s 11th Gen Rocket Lake-S lineup. Rocket Lake brings higher IPC (early samples indicate +19%) and 50% stronger integrated graphics. There are several 500 series chipset improvements including: 20 PCIe4 CPU lanes (up from 16) and USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 (20 Gbps up from 10 Gbps). Rocket Lake’s IPC uplift translates to around a 10% faster Effective Speed than both Intel's 10th Gen and AMD’s 5000 series. Despite Intel’s performance lead, AMD continues to outsell Intel. Given Intel's colossal R&D operation, it's bewildering that their marketing remains so neglected. Little effort is made to counter widespread disinformation such as: “it uses too much electricity”, or the classic: “it needs more cores”. Intel’s samples are often distributed to reviewers that appear better incentivized to bury Intel's products rather than review them realistically. Not enabling XMP or only testing with BIOS power limits enabled is akin to leaving the handbrake on during a timed lap, sackable. A mind-numbing list of irrelevant “scientific” and rendering benchmarks are presented as gospel. When it's convenient, unrepresentative canned game benchmarks are chosen e.g. ulletical’s CSGO which runs at nearly double the in-game fps. Different games, mostly unplayed by real users, are cherry picked for each “review”. At every release, AMD’s marketers circle overhead coordinating narratives to ensure another feast of blue blubber ensues. Credible benchmark data, which necessarily includes replicable video footage from popular games, is the exception rather than the rule. Nonetheless, towards the end of 2021, Intel’s Golden Cove is due to offer an additional 20-30% performance increase. At that time, with a net 30-40% performance lead, Intel will probably regain significant market share, regardless of AMD's class-leading marketing. [Feb '21 CPUPro]
this guy hates every product made....what "normal" gamer cares about thermal coupling quantum levitator ball bag performance compared against the static disploratory stink sock initiator test ......gibberish. Can i run games on it? oh i can , good.
Idk if you know or care about this but i just want to put this out there. Gpus are available in the philippines from official distributors and they are selling them at scalper prices.
Intel could enforce those limits more strictly, but that would result in lower scores across the board. Luckily for Intel benchmarks are irrelevant except for the ones in which they do well.
