Interview with Senior JS Developer 2024 [NEW] 

what about a version for rust ++ ? im ordering carb free, gluten free quinoa coin now. soon as i get my ZIG dex working.

kai, what is "it" that you lent?

I'm currently using koi coin, are they environmentally compatible?

I would like to buy quinoa coin, where is the whitepaper?

cant afford it? it costs 0.00001$ per coin, im a billionaire in quinoa.

I hate web development, why can't user interfaces be standardized and boring and square boxes like Windows 95 ?

@@monad_tcpWindows 7 UI was nice. It has gone down hill since then. I use Notepad++, btw.

😂😂😂 when he looks down and starts erasing everything on the piece of paper

FACTS

@@monad_tcp well there is a standard right? html5 with web components, but we don't talk about it cause it sucks xD

full stack using only one language was the worst mistake. Now if they were using a simple Python, C# or Go backend, they just one framework. I prefer FastAPI, and then maybe one thing to make the UI look good, I prefer Bootstrap. No need for other bloat. Of course because I have to use Tensorflow my Python is the bloat.

@@jhonshephard921 doesn't the us government use c# for its backend?

@@moonashano. It uses Python because it’s a big snake and it gives them the slowness they need.

@@jhonshephard921 bootstrap is bloat 101

2030: immediate UI made in C running on webassembly and canvas. We added content-type: app/canvas/webasm, HTML5 is dead

The younger generation's "clean compile, ship it" 😂

OH I thought he said "unsafe", well... same thing really

@@daddy7860 😂🤣😅😂😆 i heard unsafe the first time too.

I completely lost it at that point.

What does that mean?

Don't forget the Serverless servers for your serverlessserverless

“They say that every year, but this year they’re out of VC funding”. This stuff … 😂😂😂

when its going to be the year of webdeveloperlessness ?

XDDD

serverless is such a stupid name anyway. You still have a server, you just don't interact with it as a normal server. But it's not like it's client-only apps 🙄

as a backend dev, I blame the execs for not putting their shit together

But.. is Galactus microservice working?

KRAZZAM YES

​@@sebastiantomasalvarezNope. This is our blocking issue. So let's try again in two years?

This made me laugh out harder than it probably should have...

The DEVIL is in the details

Snagged the 666th upvote on this, there's my dopamine for the day.

The finished pentagram just below it is priceless. Like deploying infinitely on Hono for 0 dollars!

lol, i just realized that

this channel turned silently into documentary one... (I did notice first time when the web user experience was documented, but I have suspicion the process started way earlier)

@@ped7g not even a mockumentary, yes... and yes the process was always unfolding under our mocking eyes.

the real joke is javascript

@@segueoyuri yet javascript works... well, it works enough most of the time, when properly coerced 😛

@@yxyk-fr that's it lol it does work, but there's a lot of gotchas and gimmicks and libraries and...

I hope they have unlimited computing credits for their CI stack, because I have hard-wired my brain to use ctrl+S as a punctuation sign !

Cowboy coding still strong, just shoot into live (get asked questions later)

@@bnjkf9u3 The purest form of CI

The good old days when we connected to server on SFTP, edited on the fly and saved the file directly on the FTP server

Push on Save™: Because who needs Git when we have Syncthing versioning?

Google sheets as a database-God tier

Libre Office!

The customer just wanted a swing for his grand daughter.

"just"

@@hippocleides7105 I use power point.

but they're working on it

timestamp?

@@magne6049 bit starts at 5:48

What's the joke? I understand the words but not put in that order

@@younesskafia4189 There's a bit of history behind this one. (warning, bit of a text wall lol) Fundamentally, there are 2 primary ways you can run an app: - On-Premesis (you literally own computers that run your code) - Cloud/Serverless (someone else (AWS, GCP, etc) owns the computers, they run your code for you) Originally, everything was On-Prem (cloud providers didn't exist). In this joke: > 2024 is the year of the Server-less-lessness they're saying Server-less-lessness instead of On-Prem, probably because they need to sound NewAndFancy(tm). But really, it's just what we did in the Before Times :P > They say that 10 years ago. They say that every year, but this year, they're out of VC funding. There are lots of reasons to choose one over the other (Serverless or On-Prem), but for the purposes of this joke, the important one is: When you want to be able to start small and scale up fast (e.g. if you start your app from nothing and your app goes viral), you want Serverless, because you can rent new Cloud compute near-instantly, in response to traffic. With On-Prem, if you get a big spike in users, you need to physically acquire more machines (or need to own more than you'd normally need, Just-In-Case(tm)). This means your "viral moment" could turn from your breakout moment to a service outage if you're not careful. Venture Capital (VC) Startups very much want Serverless, because they're banking on building new things very quickly, and want to be able to respond to sharp increases in users. When VC money starts running dry, people start looking for cheaper ways to do things, to reduce costs, rather than relatively more "recklessly" chasing gigantic user growth. _In general_, for a stable product, you can get operational costs lower with on-prem (or so I've heard).

​@@younesskafia4189 serverless is very attractive and affordable for early stage products, but it scales up very expensively. I don't do web backend anymore though, so maybe it's not the same these days.

#consipracy everything is a damn ad nowadays smh! I'm suing

t5 stack when

@@EpicNicks Probably in a few hours, I recommend you wait for t6, it should come out before weekend. And if you're really really patient, then you can try out t7 beta on Sunday.

I knew it!

either you really sponsored it which is a 5head move or you didn't sponsor it but came here to throw this mini hand grenade which is a 5head move. Well played mr. Brrowne, well played.

Well, if you do rewrite it in Rust using webassembly and Canvas, and use immediate mode rendering, not only you get 60 fps, you also get away from the insanity of all that thing, also, no javascript, which is a win. And you also get 60 fps, there no reason modern user interfaces for a simple App that could be an Excel sheet can't run at 60 fps. The customer just wanted an Excel sheet, but as an app, all of that webdev crap is useless. Why programmers can't program anymore...

@@monad_tcp immediate mode? Rip battery life

@@monad_tcpaccessibility 😂

I was literally sure that he was making shit up halfway through the video HOW IS ALL OF THIS REAL? I'd rather implement Undertale in Assembly than spend a single minute writing Javascript, I hate webdev so much

@@monad_tcp but do you get free hosting on cloudflare?

No but Bingo 5.2 was recently released and now supports ISO-8601 formatted name-o's.

I love how I was thinking in the middle of the video "Wait, wasn't the RU-vidr someone else last time?". I like this style of video.

Probably another team, Omegastar is written in Java

i fucking coded iso timestamps till the end of time and lost my job, wtf!

That is the superior crossover

Taking a mental health day tomorrow

It's a common tech meme online. A bell curve graph with skill on the x-axis and frequency on the y. There is a retard on the left, a normal person center, and what looks like a depressed jedi master on the right. In this case it would be, Left: "Vanilla JavaScript is the best" (doesn't know about frameworks) Center: "React+Next is the best, it does xyz" (uses frameworks but has not *yet* seen hell) Right: "Vanilla JavaScript is the best" (understands framework hell and has paid a visit)

they created their own mess by deciding to target web browsers instead of operating systems like a sane person would.

Most of us switched to some other discipline after a few years, so we're doing great!

we're just building job security

Development is the art of figuring out the balance between writing your own in-house code to do something that has been done a thousand times before and trying to configure someone else’s framework that was never meant to be used for your use case

@@MrShikaga the main issue I see is that newer devs doesn't learn/know how to actually program. They straight learn how to use a framework. Also it seems every framework is targeted to solve google or meta sized issues. Well, both of them strongly contributed to this current schenario.

@@MadsonOnTheWeb dunno. I am only in my mid 30s, but even when I started back in 2010, there were plenty of junior devs who would apply who only knew how to use jquery, so I am not sure if it is a “new dev” problem or a “junior dev” problem.

i have rather unsettling memories of having trouble even with the LAMP stack, and reverting to some Apache + XML to run everything i needed for my page

You can still do that as long as you don't tell the architects. All you have to do is add a load balancer if you get too many users.

Well, turns out you can do pretty much that on steroids and be pretty happy. Just use latest PHP (which is getting pretty close to something like Python) and couple it with HTMX and you can get really far with mostly just old-school back-end ;)

@@Kalasklister1337I am actually doing this at my job, feels great and yet too suspiciously simple. Wouldn't choose anything else again!

@@Kalasklister1337 yep - my next contract will be building something from scratch and it looks like I'll just stay with PHP on the back end and HTMX ... number of fcks given from the investor / customers perspective will be around 0

lmao

Please can someone guide me how to setup t4 with app router

@@megamind452 Are you asking how to do that today, or how to do it by the end of the sprint? The libraries you'll want to use will be different by the end of the week, so choose wisely

Don't know if you noticed but you are S in SATAN stack here :D

you use t4 instead of t4? whats wrong with you?

well, they introduced so much crap into their browsers that they had second system syndrome and the Webbrowser just became a shitty operating system with a shit programming language used to create shitty software.

​@@monad_tcpHoly C looks better for interactive console commands than JS

this comment doesn't have nearly the upvotes it deserves

@@monad_tcp this would be a banger tweet ngl

😂😂

So, nothing of this was made up? I thought things like "quikiMarket" were just pop culture references

@@Puschit1 Yes, there are bits of nonsense they also insert, like jjquery

@@asimplenameichose151 Clever :)

@@Puschit1to be fair, qwikimarket sounds more logical than actual name for qwik’s meta-framework “qwik city” And the point author is making (about oversaturated “popular framework” landscape) remains the same

@@Puschit1 like 99% of it, and it's crazy how much it changes. The names on the board for example 2 years before woudn't even make sense or woudn't exist

...as long as it arrives before it becomes obsolete (next week)

@@alphamikeomega5728 How about a white t-shirt and washable marker pack instead? ... actually that is better documentation than some of those frameworks

just found some on redbubble idk

the star is the wrong side up

@@Fanaz10 maybe, maybe not.

except qwikiMarket which should be QwikCity :-/

4:07

OmegaStar is beyond all technicalities

What do you mean Krazam isn't just accurate it's exactly how it went on one of my jobs.

@@FathDaniel he means that krazam made up words of services/tools, but these tools are real.

The CEO has mandated that the company rewrite everything in rust because everyone else is doing it - your manager

I think Boeing may have been using scrum and agile too much...

@@DR_1_1 Crack as well.

Lmaooooooo

Depends if it's legacy code or bad code :) but yeah... stable meant something else back then, now it feels as if a mob of hipsters has buried that idea alive and stable means '1 year of support'

IRL, working in JS isn't like this, you just learn to ignore all the hype cycles. It's really only juniors and Twitter tech influencers who actually care about frameworks that came out a month ago. For example, I just built out a new template for full-stack microservices, and everything in there has been around for at least 10 years (except the frontend compiler, which is about 4 years old).

@@zacangergotta agree with ignoring the hype cycles, not just of JS, but pretty much everything.

As a student currently taking a JAvA course, after 9 years of JS work. I would not be inclined to agree with you. lol

As a recent grad that's been bait-and-switched into doing business intelligence/data stuff instead of front-end dev. I feel like I've somehow missed a bullet in that regard.

Gilfoyle approves

looks more like miniature headwear stack to me... oh wait... same thing.

IT universe summarized

the Javascript world is just insanity

oh no. JS is just a bunch a people coming up with the idea that the best way to cross a street would be waving your arms as if they were wings. And then seeing that's not possible, but coming up with a gazillions ways to make it look like you are. If you'd suggest to cross the street on foot, the answer would be "silence!" just like in the video lol in the end they conclude to walk 15km around town and to get to the other side without ever needing to cross this street here (that would take just

@segueoyuri I mean, as long as the company is properly paying the devs, we will even make a whole new city in this side of the street so we don't have to cross it.

@@vpaul4374 I'm not talking about project tasks, I'm talking about the overcomplication of simple tasks or needs for the sake of overcomplication (in case reading is hard) Sometimes your client just need to cross the street, on foot. Don't bill him the construction of a whole freaking city :) usually if your code is not boring, it's wrong

At that point Im legit using full vanilla everything and producing a better one

ehh, just use and get on with it lel

​@@andersonentwistle yeah I do the same. Vanilla is tiny too.

I gave up with TWCSS, it's beyond a joke.

@@andersonentwistle when you are done with your vanilla rewrite make sure to release it as a competing library

The only three things you need for VR are 1.) a mini-elliptical connected to your computer so you can move, 2.) Haptic/touch feedback controller 3.) VR with fovea rendering

@@AlexRodriguez-gb9ez All England need to do to win the world cup is to score higher than the other teams.

You are forgeting one: - the year crypto will find actual use cases xD

Major? I have ptsd about minor changes of ANY package, so I lock my versions entirely, without «^»

Bro I thought Vue was bad since every 3rd party package had to do a from-scratch rewrite after v3. It took years just for them to catch back up, years of wasted time that could have been spent on innovation. I am simultaneously relieved and horrified to hear it's not just Vue... And yes I have PTSD from that "upgrade year".

I have zero PTSD from major React upgrades because I can just read whatever's in react-codemod and adapt that. Angular though, it's easier just to rewrite every few years than try to upgrade

@@jerrygreenest nvm use && pnpm install -shamefully-hoist. 247 critical vulnerabilities found. “Seems reasonable. Surely someone will fix that once lifecycle management gets sorted” - posted by: Senior Frontend Dev, 4 years ago

@@zacanger Why not just use ClojureScript, s-expressions make it easier to make a custom compiler with quasi-quoting to convert code from one version to the next

It's the desire to understand something esoteric. Once it becomes mainstream it's time to remake it.

@@mal798 In this industry there's definitely the ego need to write the most convoluted code possible just to look at it and feel smart hahahaha If one day I get to boss I'll fire every single person that writes that sort of bs

Well yea in those days the only companies doing anything in software were absolute giants and nobodies. Now there's a middle ground, and there are lots of competitive edges to be gained in the weeds of this stuff.

​@@BusinessWolf1excuses

Obviously. Camera, acting, music, etc.

Make it make it happen.

Same but enjoying peaceful well-paid life as a low-latency/high-throughput multi-threaded Linux C++ developer in financial services. I just write the code, test it, deploy it and run it. What a bliss when everything simply works. 😊

it really depends on the job. any business worth their salt wouldn't keep changing out the tools. embedded on the other seems a bit monotonous

That's so old-school, we push on screen refresh. If you're not deploying thousands of times per minute are you even doing cloudgitops?

To some degrees, they are even responsible for it.

Javascript.

@@kakwa ​ @kakwa THEY HAVE MAID THEIR GRAVE AND NOW HAVE TO LAY IN IT 💀

Most just ignore it tbh. Like in any speciality, the newest stuff is basically just the domain of Twitter influencers.

@@zacanger Fact.

that's the point, I think. First, laugh. Then whine and despair.

@@yxyk-fr Well that happened I am currently questioning my life choices

@@yxyk-fr ... or continue laughing if you're not a Senior JS developer

​@@volchonokilliRI'm laughing hard especially, because I was js dev 5 years, but now half year working with simple yet powerful golang. So I laughed happily 🤣

@@volchonokilliR the problem of laughing is that it's only copium to dull our hurt feelings, and the copium's effect wears of quickly, revealing the dark and nauseating reality. Yes web dev is f***** up 😛 OK back to my C-POSIX-sockets monothreaded HTTP server.

It's a fine language, now that we have TC39 to save it from the browser vendors. It's just the ecosystem that's a little silly sometimes.

language is just typescript, which is basically the same as c#, unless you wanna do some real fancy stuffs. but that's more for the realm of framework developers. I love typescript just as much as I love C#.

Worked as js dev 5years and now I'm happy golang dev 😊 happy that escape 😂

React is obsolete, now you have to rewrite in Svelte. Oh wait that's obsolete now, time for another rewrite in Hyperscript. Oh wait...

​@@zacanger I felt so betrayed when JavaScript became a server side language, it was always super crappy on the front end. Then Novonox paid me to port the Netscape JavaScript server engine and I was more than happy to be paid to be the one porting javascript to the backend. In the end all the righteous claims about languages and purity fade into noise when someone is paying you to do it.

we are approaching front end singularity

This you: Carmela-bixoxo 18 minutes ago The real question is, does it work with Galactus service? Haha, lovin this Krazam parody Should i use here??? lmao They even forgot to remove the newline character with thier bot! lmao RU-vid is full of this shit.

That's what's so great about his skits - I only understand about 10% of it but it's hilarious anyway, especially knowing that all of this is not as gibberish as it sounds. The parts I DO understand are always spot on, so I assume everything else is, too.

I'm a seasoned C++ developer and even advanced template metaprogramming sounds like a walk in the park compared to the utter dependency hell of JS web development. I admit I understood practically nothing in the video, probably because I became a programmer in 1987 when computers were very simple.

Go where?

I believe in those contexts they are called pentagrams. ;-)