The balloons came up because of a hand signal. Tim said, "Two images from the Isaiah Scroll" and kind of shook his hand showing two fingers and that set off the hand gesture that sent balloons. Try it with different number signs and see what happens. 😀😀. Pastor Roseborough did the same thing in a recent video and explained how he accidently made the balloons come up so that is the only way I know what happened. Also, great interview!!!
I really liked his explanation until he said Easter, we know that is Isis worship. He should have said Passover . Out of all the bible translations King James is the only translation that put Easter in there and he was a mason.
@@junegilone1854actually the reason why the translators translated the Greek pascha to Easter in stead of Passover was because of what verse 3 says. Acts 12:3 (KJV) And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) Acts 12:4 (KJV) And when he had apprehended him, he put [him] in prison, and delivered [him] to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. Passover is the first day that kicks off the feast of unleavened bread. So if Peter was apprehended after that feast then he could not have been taken just after Passover. But instead after Easter. Because Easter was celebrated during that time by the Romans. However, I do think the translators made a mistake, because Luke originally wrote Passover to reference Passover and the feast of unleavened bread as a whole. If there was some type of conspiracy by King James or the translators, they would have translated pascha as Easter more than just that one single time. Also, I would like to know where you got the information that King James was a free mason. In my study of the making of the KJV I’ve never came across that information.
@@brettdobbs2041- Too bad you spoiled that otherwise great comment by calling Luke’s account a mistake. That’s a new one on me. Just as the word pascha can be used either to specify the particular day of Passover, or the entire season of Passover, in the context the translators very perceptively comprehended the possibility that it could be used (by Luke) to entail the ENTIRE context of that season, culture-wide. In which context the true underlying meaning-since clearly reflecting the intentions on one pagan Roman tyrant, Herod-could be justly be parsed out as “Easter,” HIS holiday. People are so repeatedly conditioned to disparage the King’s translators as a bunch of novices, not even up to speed with first semester seminary students that they simply leap to their unwarranted “conclusions.” Trust me, those translators were anything but inept. Plus a million other things in their favor.
God hit my Pastor a few years ago showing that we HAVE TO be "Yoked to the Sermon on the Mount" so we reflect on this weekly. Starting off woth the Beatitudes. It's painful although life transforming!
Awesome to hear at the end of Matthew’s structure of utilizing 3s and centered dramatically on The Lord’s Prayer. Love these insights. Grateful for Mackie.
this interview gave me the desire to read and really ponder on the Gospel of Matthew... great interview! great resource person, Dr Tim Mackie, as always... his humility, (always don't want to take credits) make him at times hard to understand 😄 but as one really ponder, spend time and focus...it's deep and faithful in leading people to Jesus. He's even very careful in his words not to make it "too" spiritual for there are people who tend to reject (then miss) the beauty of the message when it becomes "too" spiritual. praising God for this person. 😃😇
To those who might be interested. I'm always keen when a Doc lists a book to read! So I think Dr Mackie meant to say "divine conspiracy" by Dallas Willard. The book he mentions 😊
Tim Mackie is amazing!! So much insights and clarity on this topic. Also, if you mute the sound, and watch his had motions, you can pretend he's teaching a puppetry clinic. 🤣
Great discussion, guys! Tim always brings interesting insights to the conversation. I'd love for you to have him on another time to talk about the understanding of "Ruach" in Scripture, particularly in the OT, and how the teachings of Jesus and the NT writers build on and develop that understanding.
This is what God gave to me out of this great discussion. I believe that Jesus is teaching us to be very careful about what we say, think, and do towards one another. As Jesus sums up his ministry in the gospel of John before dying and paying for all of wrongdoings is the new commandment when he says to love one another just as he has loved us.
Yow less goo this is why the holy spirit is making me watch this i understand now even though im asleep he keeps reminding me you need the sermon on the mount you need the sermon on the mount this bless me keep doing the Good work Thank you every one God bless
Why do we not look different, because we do not fully center our whole lives, every activity around Christ and his teachings, we do not commit our selves to being one with God and literally following him and living as he said in hatred of everything and everyone else. We have so much worthless stuff that we seek after in the west that we fill ourselves with because we are focused on our “Christian” freedom to watch this and do that, so we do not see things happening because we are not one with God as Jesus prayed in John 17:20-23 Just wanted to answer that question because that is an ultimate question. I love this channel and Tim Mackie. So much great stuff
Balloons ---> The OLD Groucho Marx Show ---> "Say the secret word..." and then a duck would drop. LOL! On a serious note---how can there be a bad interview with Tim? Excellent as always. And you are both the consummate professionals.
I was raised within a Catholic family in southern California. I went to every mass, I was in catechism from 1965-1978 and received 1st Holy Communion, then Confirmation. At that time it was the foundation I was given. I believe the Holy Spirit launched a nuke into my life at the age of 13, within the same year as my confirmation. Between 1965 and 1978 I can honestly say, in any study at church or at home, I was never introduced to Bible verses, never. The only scripture that was repeated was at Saturday or Sunday mass, and it was in latin and I did not understand it. I was told to confess my sins to Father Mike, and he gave me a path to repentance by repeating a lot of Hail Mary's and Our Fathers for the rest of the day and night depending in the sin I confessed. At the age of 15, on Huntington beach peir, I was approached by a man, I can not remember his face, but he had long hair down to the middle of his back, brown and sun bleached. He was bigger than me, not in size, but in stature of life, or strength if you will. To this day I believe He was a messenger, a very important messenger. 🙏 We recited this prayer, a prayer that has echo'ed in my mind daily, and continues to this day. 🙏 Jesus, I have sinned times without number, and been guilty of pride and unbelief, of failure to find thy mind in thy Word, of neglect to seek thee in my daily life. My transgressions and short-comings present me with a list of accusations, But I bless thee that they will not stand against me, for all have been laid on Christ; Go on to subdue my corruptions, and grant me grace to live above them. Let not the passions of the flesh nor lustings of the mind. Bring my spirit into subjection, but do thou rule over me in liberty and power. I thank thee that many of my prayers have been refused- I have asked amiss and do not have, I have prayed from lusts and been rejected, I have longed for Egypt and been given a wilderness. Go on with thy patient work, answering ‘no’ to my wrongful prayers, and fitting me to accept it. Purge me from every false desire, every base aspiration, everything contrary to thy rule. I thank thee for thy wisdom and thy love, for all the acts of discipline to which I am subject, for sometimes putting me into the furnace to refine my gold and remove my dross. No trial is so hard to bear as a sense of sin. If thou shouldst give me choice to live in pleasure and keep my sins, or to have them burnt away with trial, give me sanctified affliction. Deliver me from every evil habit, every accretion of former sins, everything that dims the brightness of thy grace in me, everything that prevents me taking delight in thee. I shall bless thee forever, God of Jeshurun, for helping me to be upright. Amen 🙏 On the pier that day, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God were there, in me, along side this messenger and created a fisher of men, it was like time stopped. completely! My heart was full and complete. That day i finished the above prayer and asked for wisdom and discernment. I will commit at this point, after listening to this podcast, to memorize the sermon on the mound, What a blessed time to live, Amen🙏
Love Mackie, and love this! One thing I wish they might have addressed: Some people take the beatitudes as instructive, exemplifying states of blessedness to seek out, whereas Dallas Willard resisted this, teaching instead that they mean “these TOO are blessed” (not only people who are materially and circumstantially wealthy). Subtle, but substantial difference! I was wondering if Mackie takes Willard’s reading on the beatitudes.
Question ** First, loved the video and discussion. Second, could you comment on this quote I’ve heard recently about the Sermon on the Mount? “the Sermon on the Mount is the greatest sermon on the law that’s ever been preached … largely, the purpose of the Sermon on the Mount is an exposition of the law and an application of the law to man that will condemn and crush us in our own attempts to be righteous, and would thereby drive us to the one preaching the sermon”.
Jesus showed us that we can never meet the demands of the law. He pushed so hard against the traditional sense of doing our best, in order to humble us that we would recognize even greater our need for Him, the Savior.
Yes, I believe this is correct. However, the standard of righteousness in the sermon is not arbitrary. I’ve heard some say, “Jesus was deliberately raising the bar impossibly high, so that we’d feel how much we need him.” No, no, no. The bar just always was that high. The standard is perfect righteousness because God is righteous, and that cannot change. Jesus was revealing the true standard.
One of the interesting things about the Sermon on the Mount is that while it is the most well known sermon Christ gave in scripture, it is ironically the sermon that traditional Christianity rebels against the most, understands the least, and misquotes the most. Christ told His followers to live by the Law and the Prophets in Matt. 5:17-20, and yet adherents of traditional Christianity argue that they're exempt from the Law and the Prophets' authority.
To me, there is a more obvious parallel in scripture and it's Ecclesiastees. But for some reason it always seems to be overlooked. Read the Kohelit and then read "the sermon" and you'll see there are no less than 10 direct pointings to this wonderful book, from vows to speech and acceptable gifts. I believe it is the book Jesus is using to explain the originalist view of Yah's ways
Thank you Tim for bringing the Torah in as needed. I hear some churches are against teaching the Torah, but there's really nothing to fear. "Keep it real" from the Word & all will be done accordingly & in God's timing. The Old Testament is still relevant. It ain't nothin' about being replaced but restored 💪💃🛐. Amen & Amen
@@LucianoGutierrez83 My understanding is our heart's are circumcised by God, it's not about the flesh. Jewish meaning & Christian meaning are different. 1 of many examples the church read the Hebrew words with inaccurate meaning, leaving Christians to believe inaccurately.
@@LucianoGutierrez83 The New came from the Old, not to replace it, but to follow it..still. Jesus came to explain it but the church added & deleted their own laws after. It's all throughout the Bible showing the churches editing. Are we not to find out why? It caused anti-semitism. Does that matter?
@@TonibolognaaintnophonyHebrews 8:13, “In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.” Roman’s 15:4, “For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.” The whole Bible teaches us but the New Testament is a believers covenant.
Interesting listen. I found the center of the sermon to be Solomon's name ch6v29. To further make the case that the sermon was, in fact, drawn from Ecclesiastees and the moral of the sermon is Ecc 12v13-14
“For some reason, the most vocal Christians among us never mention the Beatitudes (Matthew 5). But, often with tears in their eyes, they demand that the Ten Commandments be posted in public buildings. And of course, that's Moses, not Jesus. I haven't heard one of them demand that the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, be posted anywhere. 'Blessed are the merciful' in a courtroom? 'Blessed are the peacemakers' in the Pentagon? Give me a break! Kurt Vonnegut
It seems to me that what happened at the cross was that the old passed away and everything became new. All of this happened before the foundation of the world but was manifest at the cross in time/space. All humanity died and were resurrected with Christ and were born again with a new heart. This is the objective truth. Our subjective experience changes from day to day based on our fellowship and relationship with Father, Son, and Spirit. That is why many Christians don't seem to have a new heart, even though they in fact do. Subjective experience is ever changing while objective truth is not.
We treat people and understand circumstances according to how we judge (value) them-this need to judge good or evil is "the core disposition of the heart." In the sermon, Jesus addresses this principle in various scenarios. But the resolution to this judgment isn't love or endurance-it's faith. That is to say to God, "You are the judge of what is good or evil, not me."
What is changed is for us to walk by revelation instead of reason. Jesus didn't call us to don't do what you're supposed to not do, He called us to do(follow Me) what we are supposed to do! If we, as Jesus said, are only doing what we see from the Father, saying only what they hear from the Father. That's Christian Perfection!
I feel so lucky to have been able to go to Tims church where he went thru New testament at 6am mon-fri He is so committing to teaching Gods word. We r so blessed to have the Bible Project now. Imagine the millions of christians thru out history who did have all this wisdom to feed their souls and find some truth that can help them understand God and life a little better which gives them a little hop
One of the most soul searching books I've ever read. It crushed me into the recognition of how desperately poor in Spirit I am. It showed me the necessity of the grace if God in Christ and the Spirit filled life.
@@vickiwilson5927Dr D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones was a Bible believing evangelical Christian who believed in the Sovereignty of Almighty God. To say, dare I say with such vitriol, that he was a Calvinist suggests that you believe he followed John Calvin rather than Jesus Christ. Pleases, for your own sake, grow up and open your mind to the possibility that you don’t understand everything, for some things you just have to trust in The Lord.
Does this interview ask him if he has changed his teachings on Hell? I adored Bible Project all the way back to when they still had the, "The", in the title! But watching the video below was horrifying. Rotten Tomatoes: Isn't the Idea of Hell Just Plain Mean? | Luke 16 | Tim Mackie now.notyet 30.9K subscribers Mar 4, 2024 Tim Mackie from 11/22/09 at Blackhawk Church.
When Paul said, I desire to do good but the good I desire to do this I do not do, the evil I desire not to do this I keep on doing, Paul is talking about when he was persecuting the Christians, when he was not born of the Christ, when he was persecuting the Christians he simply thought he was doing the good, he didn't recognise that he was doing the evil even though he desired to do the good, the reason being, he called the evil the good because he was blind to the truth, like many people in this world who desire to do good but all they do is the evil, because they are blind to the truth, when Paul says, it is no longer I which does it but sin that dwells within me which does it, it is now he's born of God, because the sin does not take hold of him because now he has the light which opposes the evil, so when sin rises within him he sees it because now he is light he has opposition to sin, where is before when he was in the darkness there is no opposition, this is why the terrorists in this world think they are doing the good but all they are doing is the evil, because they have no light they are blind and cannot see the truth, because they do not possess the spirit of Truth, Being born of God is not necessarily desiring to please God, because when Paul was a pharisee he still desired to please God, but he did not please him because he had no light, this is why Christ died to give man light the Holy Spirit of truth, but so many Christ believers believe they are born of the spirit but they are not, for the Christ is not in them. Thus the scripture, you Worship me with your lips but your hearts are far from me. This is why you continually fail, because you are not born of light, John Piper is a classic example of this, he is over 60 years old and he tells me he is full of the spirit of an adolescent child, no change has occurred within him, his heart has not been circumcised, you are supposed to be full of the Holy Spirit as it is written, not full of yourselves like John Piper, so many of you do not possess circumcised Hearts, as it is written, to be transformed into the image of the Christ, to be made perfect in love, love immaculate love divine, the sons and daughters of the most high god,
Paul was clearly discussing his present struggle with sin as a Christian. He clearly wasn't talking about his past. Your theology is based on the false, evangelical idea of what it means to be born again. Any good English teacher will tell you that the words "i desire to do" indicates present behavior, not past conduct. Paul mentioned nothing about persecuting Christians, so no one could honestly read that into his words.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 so what you are saying is this, that you with your faith in the Christ continue to sin because even though you desire to do good all you continue to do is evil, is this what faith produces, is this what being born of God produces, a good man brings for the good that is in his heart an evil man brings forth the evil that he's in his heart, so judging by these scriptures, you are an evil man who brings forth evil that is in his heart, because if you are born of light and the Christ is in your heart, then this is a good man who brings forth the good, so you convict yourself of one thing, not being born of God, because when a man has his faith in the Christ he brings forth the good this is what faith produces, because if he keeps bringing forth the evil then where he is his faith in Christ,
Started off great, then got lost until at (40). Why no talk about the conclusion? Because that is the call to obedience. Thank God for mercy, but Jesus sermon conclusion is not a call to Paul's grace but a radical call to holiness (not excuses) intimacy, and obedience. 3 responses-1. you'll know them by their fruits (character). 2. I never knew you. Talk is cheap. Know Jesus. Live the life. 3. Hear My sayings and do them. Stability or destruction. Would have liked to hear Tim's take on the conclusion. Good hour, could have been better with simpler questions, staying on the subject, and getting to Christ's conclusion (3).
Of course the Sermon on the Mount is for us to "hear" today but when Jesus said these words, he was directing them to his disciiples There were people around who listened but Jesus was talking to the disciples. Maybe he points this out but 11 minutes in, he has not done so yet.
We need to be careful when discussing the law given by Moses to his people. Indeed, some of the important aspects of the law were given directly by God. But God's friend Moses was also delegated to make some of those laws for his people. Some of those delegated laws fell short of the ideal righteousness of God, as Jesus himself explained (Matthew 19:3-9). Even the ten commandments, though given for humanity's good, did not attain the righteous perfection that God requires, as Jesus also stated (Matthew 5:21-48). Whatever God gives us is for our good. But we today are under the law of grace and love, through the Spirit of Christ, which leads us to that which is greater than the law of Moses.
This theology is incredibly deceitful. Moses didn't make any arbitrary laws that were impossible to live by, or were only for Israelites. Num. 15:16 shows God saying that there was _1_ moral standard that the Israelites and Gentiles were _both_ expected to live by. 1 Jhn 5:3 also says God's laws are NOT burdensome. Show me the person that says God/Moses gave impossible to keep laws, and i'll show you a deceiver.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Jesus said it. Paul said it. None of us sinful creatures can live up to the Law of Moses. The Prophets as documented in the Tanakh told the same to the Israelite people. "Thou shalt not covet," for example. Every person has coveted. And if they say they haven't, then they are lying. Even the commandments given to Moses are not the full ideal of the righteousness of God, as Jesus pointed out in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew chapter 5). The Law of Moses itself told us the righteousness of God could not be obtained by our own efforts to be good. Which is why the sacrificial system was inaugurated. It's why salvation is by grace, through the blood of our eternal atonement sacrifice in Jesus the Messiah.
The law was not given so that man could attain righteousness. The law was given so that man knew what sin was/is. Now that we know what sin is, and also we know that we can not attain righteousness by the law, Christ was sent and sacrificed as atonement for all sin. This doesn’t mean we can just do whatever we want. Christ taught us that simply following the law does not make us righteous but that sin begins in our hearts and that only through love of God and our neighbors, and by the sacrifice of Christ, can we persue righteousness by observing the commands that Christ gave. In other words, if you don’t have love for God and others, in your heart, then you don’t stand a chance at following his ways. All sin begins in the heart.
Agreed, but wasn’t the law given to national Israel, meaning, Gentiles within Israel’s borders had to follow the law. I don’t see where the law extended beyond Israel, it was a nation that was used as an example to the Gentiles, and by extension, to the world. See Isaiah 49:6
@@williamcarr3976 Israel was to be a light to the nations round about, drawing people to the Creator. It was also to be the avenue by which the Creator brought the Messiah into the world. A specific and privileged role. But God's moral law has been given as a gift of divine grace to all humanity, as Paul noted in his letter to the Romans (chapter 2): "For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus." Just as the existence of a Creator has been revealed by divine action to the hearts of all humanity, as Paul also commented (Romans chapter 1): "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So, they are without excuse." Throughout all history, people have been drawn to the understanding that there is a Creator of the natural world and have made many mythic stories in their cultures to try to explain his power. Even children in their simplicity ask, "Who made the world?" But wicked men deny him and act as though they will never be accountable, or they attempt to use that knowledge for their own selfish purposes. Their hearts have been hardened to the truth, and this world with all its troubles is the result.
The already not yet is very real theology. At the same time as I've been listening and reading the old testament. It's always been a matter of the heart and a circumcision by the spirit as King Saul was said to have been given a new heart from God. I believe the new covenant is a renewed covenant first with the Jews and then to the gentiles just as gentiles could have become covenant followers of God in the old testament but as the book of Hebrews says this covenant is enacted on better promises with God promising to do everything for us and to us. I feel the real question is, will we let him do it to us. Paul says the Israelites didn't achieve the law because they didn't pursue by faith because the natural man can't follower his ways we must allow the True Spirit the Spirit of Truth to do his Job within the Godhead. I've been following Jesus for six years now. I've had a lot of stumbles and failures buy after hearing this and going thru a really tough time the past few months I knkw God is allowing me to put myslef through all this misery so I can see his Glory and receive it so I can again reflect it and even better than before because know he has given me better understanding as proverbs says that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and it goes on to say when you get Wisdom get insight. Tim Mackey God bless you for bring some beautiful understanding from the word of God and may God bless you and this channel to keep digging and as all of Christ's followers continue to work out our salvation with fear and trembling as God truly works in our hearts to bring many sons and daughters to glory.
If I may be so bold to explain what changed at Pentecost - Prior to Pentecost people looked to men / rabbi / priest / teachers to get to God the Father , Jesus shares Himself / Truth proclaiming the good news Repent ( Turn to God) After Pentecost we dont need earthly teachers , We rely through faith on the Spirit of Jesus / God / Holy spirit to teach us direct, The spirit gives us the ability to hear truth or lies, We can still listen to people who think they are teaching but all Truth comes from Jesus and his sheep hear, When one repents God the Father performs a union / Marriage and unites us with His Son (The Marriage) We become His bride and He starts to teach us, The old man dies free from lies and Just like Pinocchio when we dont lie any more and are not the puppet of lies we become real / alive / new born ,
Genesis is describing the concept of Day time. It's obvious. The morning and the evening makes a "day." You take The Bible you run it to The North Pole and give it to an escomo that reads English. The morning and the evening makes a day. You take The Bible and fly to Mars and give it to a marstian. The morning and the evening makes a day. You take The Bible, shuttle it over to Trappist-1 and give it to a cat in a box that reads English. The morning and the evening makes a day In the beginning was the word. And the word was with God. This is my claim for the word being divine.
Tim Mackie does some good things with the Bible Project. But he teaches very questionable things about the atonement, about Hell, and I’ve seen say questionable things about homosexuality. I could never recommend him wholeheartedly and would warn anyone to be very careful with his teaching.
@@amcds2867 Yup. They also don't call out/ask Michael Brown regarding his teaching that born again, regenerated, Holy Spirit indwelt believers can "lose" salvation. These people reject salvation by grace through faith and mix the efforts of men with the gospel of Christ. He is a heretic that preaches another gospel that we are commanded to mark, avoid and expose. Lots of deception in these last days.
@@johntrevett2944 well, that sounds like Calvinism to me: believing that once Saved, always Saved. Scripture clearly teaches in Hebrews that there are those that fell out of the Faith, and Paul the apostle frequently exhorted the Church to run the race. Why would he exhort the Church to persevere if Salvation is guaranteed for life? Because it's not. GOD will never abandon any of His children but He has given His children free agency to leave this relationship, tragic as it is. Sanctification is a lifelong process of staying on the path as we walk with and behind Jesus. I agree with Michael Brown.
@@amcds2867 Has nothing to do with Calvinism or any ism, ist ect. It's what does the Bible teaches. Hebrews doesn't teach regenerated/born again believers can lose salvation. Salvation is all God, start to finish and what He starts He alone finishes. Read Romans 8:30 which clearly states all that are justified are glorified. John 6 and 10 states Christ loses none. Those that think they can lose salvation either don't have it or don't understand the nature of salvation. If we could lose salvation we all would, that's the point of the finished work of Christ. Scripture states "they went out from us because they weren't of us, if they were of us they would indeed have stayed." Apostates or those that go into "unbelief" just show that they were never Christs to begin with. I'm convinced that many in the "lose salvation" camp don't know Him and are natural men. Those are the very people Mathew 7:21-23 describes as saying "Lord, Lord" and pointing to what they did instead of what Christ has done. Although I'm not a calvinist, they are within the limits of Christian orthodoxy. I would consider those that claim you can be saved one day and lost the next heretics and outside the limits of orthodoxy. Those that teach that reject hundreds of clear passages that teach eternal security of the believer. God's word NEVER contradicts. Salvation is by grace through faith in the person and work of Christ. We don't contribute anything to our salvation but our sin Christ paid for.
That host is so rude and condescending to his cohost Michael. The opening statement I had to rewind as I couldnt believe he said "thats so lame". Michael part ways with this insecure, abusive smart *ss. He is awful.
I really really dislike the massive push about “partnership” with God. It’s man centered and ridiculous. God doesn’t need us or our partnership. He loves us period, and not because we’re helping him in any way.
Oy vey. Typical kingdom Now or that old hiss in the garden, "ye shall be as gods " I agree with you. Between Reformed theology and Kingdom Now, what is happening church?!!!
We don’t necessarily have to like it but there is at least a image that there is a partnership happening. Just some scriptures off the top of my mind: 1 Cor 3:9, 2 Cor 6:1, 1 Cor 6:3, Gen 2:20, Phil 2:12, Matt 28:19-20 It’s both truth that God does ALL the work & that God calls to do work.
@@davidhiramreyes6490 I completely agree: man is responsible to obey and man was made to work which brings God glory but again, God doesn't need the work we do. He gives us opportunity to earn rewards and crowns. I just think in Mackie's case, the repetitive use of the word is definitely a rhetorical decision -- not an exegetical one -- IMO he definitely wants to make God sound more nice and reasonable and we humans have inherent worth. He uses the word to please his hearers. So I find Mackie a biased and unreliable source to be sure, who (maybe unconsciously) is seeking to please man more than God. And the way Remnant falls all over themselves fawning on him. It's gross.
Read Isa. 1:18, and you can see why you are extremely wrong. This theology personifies why the Catholics and Protestants are 100% out of alignment with God and biblical doctrines. Such theology can only come from a religion that doesn't know why God created human beings, let alone why Christ established the Church. Human beings are in fact helping God when they do their part in developing His character!
You're oversimplifying what he's saying. It's not that they're not for today. It's that in order to understand and apply them today we must understand their meaning in their contemporary, cultural and religious context. It doesn't degrade their meaning or application for us today. It broadens it. If we took it on face value how would it even really apply today? We would simply apply it only to literally being slapped on the face, giving people our tunic, or walking a couple miles. That's a very limited application.
I agree with you. Some people just want to water down the Biblical message. I think this problem also stems from the culture (there's that word again) we live in in the west that is so materialistic, because in other parts of the world hostile to the Christian faith, Christians are persecuted to the death and these brothers and sisters of ours really live out their walk with Jesus in real obedience to our Saviour and what He declares in Scripture. Be careful of Mackie's teachings, I've done enough probing on the net to realize he is raising several red flags concerning our doctrine. He deems Hell as a metaphor just to give one example. In another conversation he has on a podcast named 'Almost heretical' which is lead by 2 heretics who advocate for the acceptance of LGBTQ lifestyles in the Church, he keeps quiet while both the hosts eagerly promote this idea of same sex couples not being sinful. There's more I came across but I think suffice to mention those 2 situations.
@seeqr9 I understand what you are saying and I don't have much of an answer. A lot of what Jesus says is hard to understand. But I feel he is taking away our responsibility and conviction by saying or claiming what he said. Which is what we need to be careful about. Trusting God when we don't understand.
@@greenpilgrimz3763 I don't think that most of what Jesus taught is difficult to understand, rather it is hard to live out in some instances. The Word of GOD is clear enough for the broadest audience possible because the message of the Gospel is to be preached to all creatures (past, present and future) according to Jesus' great commission He entrusted His disciples (Christians) with, therefore it should be very accessible to all of humanity.
@amcds2867 how do you explain verses like Matthew 25. All 3 stories. How do you explain u need to hate your wife,family and also yourself? How do you explain you need to cut off your hand if it causes you to sin? What is the meaning of taking up your cross? What is the meaning of narrow iss the way so you should strive your best to enter in? What is the meaning when he says to his followers you should have a sword? What is the meaning about not going down to your house to get your belongings when Jesus returns? What does he mean when he says do not flea during winter, what does he mean when he says cry for those who in the future will receive such small nutrients? What does his reply mean man does not live on bread alone? These are all real questions I struggle with. And I don't have answers.
Between reading Robert Alter's The Hebrew Bible & Mr. Mackie's teaching, (not church writers manipulation) more will make sense. There is no hell, Jesus is not God. Heaven is on earth, now for today. Mark was written 1st & everyone else copied his stories & Old Testament characters, replacing names & places as needed to get the lesson taught. Whose Kool aid are we drinking? Read & understand the old words as intended by the Jewish Jesus before moving onto the Christian Jesus.
@@chaddonal4331 For truth to be reprinted. To return the Words of God to before the church & other's changed it to fit their "ways of the days". My road as a Christian who just found out I'm also Jewish by blood, has been a hard journey to understand what my Jewish family went through, starting with Dr. Michael Brown saying Jesus isn't in Isaiah - to Jews For Jesus fighting against Jews for Judaism - to a youth group pastor who told me about Tim Mackie & also The Hebrew Bible by Robert Alter, that finally made it all make sense to me. What I came to believe but couldn't get an answer from a pastor because they don't read Hebrew, I found Mr. Mackie & Robert Alter to have agreed with. I truly believe if Christians read the whole Bible without any pre-beliefs or commentaries, or specific studying in, that God shows a different ending. I pray we can all agree some day that there is God. Period. How we get to Him comes clearer in His Word. I ask that we stop the hate if Abba is our Father. I know Jesus is the Way, but God is the goal.
