INTJ Stereotypes?! with Dave Powers 

Two INTJs like: "Wow that's a well thought out question." "I know, hehe."

Great interview, Lindsay! I thought it was fun with you going through the memes with Dave.

Took about ten seconds for them to tie up this interview. That has to be the fastest conclusion to a social interaction I've ever seen.

"INTJs are misunderstood." After a good number of years away from the personality / typology community. That made me feel understood.

0:39 What is Objective Personality System 2:09 Self typing 4:43 Objectivity in World outside of OPS and typology 7:22 Typing other people 13:30 16 Archetypes 19:40 , 24:01 , 25:56, 37:05, 41:13 , 47:28 INTJ 22:00 Spelling wrong 26:48 Jumpers 30:51 Deciders and Observers 34:37 Narcissism 42:53 Consume 50:26 Consume Sleep 49:12 Blast last 44:02 Consume last 47:28 INTJ stereotypes 49:12 Empathy

For a long, long time I didn’t understand Play, that one was the hardest animal for me to learn, until Dave said this at 42:26 Consume = Gathering in new information for the self. Play = Gathering in new information with the tribe. Me: 💡🙀 OH I GET IT NOW! That also helps me understand the other two. Sleep = Organizing known information for the self. Blast = Organizing known information with the tribe. This was really helpful, thank you for posting this!

Always great to see an interview with Dave. Love the ExxJ/IxxP vs. IxxJ/ExxP struggle comparisons. That's really personality boiled down to the basic level.

INTJ, cant watch movies with fam or read books, prefer youtube vids on 2x, hooked on y'alls btw

Loved it! Enjoyable content for INTJs and MBTI enthusiasts.

oh.....looking at Dave's background......I need chocolate now......

This guy is an angel

My very low Se is the bane of my existence. The dishes are piled so high in my kitchen right now and I do not even want to go in there. Sigh..... I'm working on that discipline though. But it's SO HARD.

Ok after watching this at length, I definitely think I am more an Ni/Fi jumper INTJ ; tho it is slight... but the way Dave described the differences resonated SO much to the differences in INTJ's I have noticed. It's interesting because I feel those changes in what we value cognition wise can come about, largely due to environmental factors. Like business owner/entrepreneurial INTJ's tend to be much more developed in a way, and have more refined external filters. Especially if we are female. But I will say I definitely value my own opinions & insights over tribe, tho I will at times go to the tribe or external factors to gauge accuracy & objectivity.... largely tho, I do center my focus on what I want, and when I want it. hmmm..... good video to watch. :) Also cool to learn Dave lives in Portland to!! I'm gonna sign up for the OP classes this month.

The way I read the Cyanide and Happiness comic is that the 'INTJ' missed the feeling function and responded rationally illustrating logic over emotion.

As I've been watching their videos, I hear Dave and Shan talk about using science and while I love the idea, I've been dubious. I was trained as a scientist, with a B.S. and Masters degrees in biological sciences (I since switched to web design and development and business) and I know it takes years and a good bit of mentorship from other scientists to really understand how science works. Most people have no idea that science is actually all about following a very specific process called "The Scientific Method". You have to learn all the ins and outs of that method. You have to learn all about biases and how to ensure you mitigate those as well as possible using double-blind studies. You have to learn all about peer review. You have to learn statistics. I took FIVE stats classes plus they each had a lab in addition to the lecture so it was 10 actual classes. These are all just to get started, then it takes years of experience doing research and collecting, analyzing and interpreting data to really get the hang of it. It's super fun though. As an analogy, for those in the web/dev world, it is similar to people who know HTML thinking they know how to program. True programming as in C++, Javascript, etc. where you must know how to use data structures and flow control like the back of your hand, is far more advanced than just know how to use HTML to mark up some content. But, of course it is totally doable if someone has the intention to do so. I applaud Dave and Shan for reaching for this goal because it IS needed and I know they can do it. But I have no doubt they underestimated it. Most people do. But they'll get there. I urge them to find a good scientist to work with them. I would LOVE to do it but I am already swamped with my own passion projects on top of full time job but I think that will really help them learn more quickly and get that knowledge and experience under their belt and grow their confidence and expertise. Also, it is fortunate because INTJs make the best scientists (some say the INTPs but I think the INTJs do) and ENTJs make good scientists too so Dave and Shan are wired for this, especially Dave. As long as they tap into their inner Ti on a regular basis so as not to skip over the details. You can't let that happen. That's another reason why peer review is so crucial to good science, because other scientists will call you out on your mistakes. And having other science colleagues is critical to rounding out the team so you address all aspects of good research. As a fun fact: Einstein was an INTP and Isaac Newton and Nikola Tesla were INTJs.

When it comes to being a 'grammar nazi', I can't help but see mistakes in things that I read. They just jump out at me. I do not, however, feel compelled to point the mistakes out to the author unless the author has asked me to edit the work. If you ask me to edit something, be prepared to see you work picked apart, especially if you pay me for the service. A friend of mine, who is a published author, convinced me to start an editing side business a few years ago after he asked me to read a novel he was working on and I sent it back a month later just riddled with corrections and notes of advice about what he could consider changing to make the book even better. However, if I am just reading the comments that people have made on social media, I notice the mistakes, but I do not comment back with corrections. I've even reported a few people to group admins for being abusive about correcting people in cruel ways. I never report people to the social media company itself though because I hate it when people get booted out of sites rather than given the opportunity to learn from their mistakes and modify their behavior on the site a bit.

30 seconds in, and I suddenly ask myself, "do INTJ's ever say 'awesome' though?"

Woohoo 🎉 loving the traction that’s coming onto RU-vid from the OP community!

MBTI veterans just plows through everything and here i am just learning their basic structure functions connecting the dots yet loosing them after a few months or even days having learnt but this video kinda got me to connect the bigger picture for me although i do feel like i have received the holy message but yet like catching nothing maybe ill jot down when i get home loved to hear more of this type like conversations

Hahaha a consumer is enjoying you guys’ video right now. Great vid Lindsay! Finally I know what type is Dave, had a hard time typing him.

30:30 they called him a mad man, but when corona started guess who was better prepared

Why is Dave so precious? 😍

Thanks, I haven't done contemporary Jung for a long time. He's soft hands, but this seems to be becoming functional. So good stuff then!

The spelling/punctuation/grammar (SPG) thing is SO TRUE for me. I consider it as coming from my 6th function, "Critical Parent Ti". I have learned to just shut my mouth most of the time and just let people communicate the way they want to communicate. But I could not be with someone who had poor writing skills. I'd just have this underlying lack of respect. I know it's probably not fair but it is what it is. My boss is an ENTP and he's a SPG Nazi too. Fortunately my best friends tend to be ENFPs and re romantic relationships I tend to be attracted to INFPs and they are great writers!

Consuming...the whole personality type thing is sitting on the fence for me, I know I'd like to know more, but at the moment I've got other stuff to 'eat' before I have any decent time to look at anything else. Generally, as a 'consumer', I go as far as I need until I decide I have enough information and then I rarely go back to find out other stuff, unless I hit a question my logic can't answer based on the facts I already know. For work, I tend to purposely keep an eye on emerging trends to keep myself in the loop and allow me to keep looking forward, though outside of such areas of life I really am not interested :) I can't be bothered with the media for the most part, and I completely get the bit towards the end of the video about having to force yourself to engage with some conversations instead of just zoning out because it's something you've either worked out the resolution to yourself within two sentences, or because as mentioned, it brings no value to 'me' :) Certainly from a hobbies and interests perspective, I do a lot of reading (mostly non-fiction), can't get into gaming though I wish I could, I am almost jealous of those who can as it looks fun, however my work involves mostly work on computers, with the occasional client meeting where I get to talk to actual people! Hobbies revolve around martial arts, teaching for the most part...never took to any team sports, and have always been driven by me and nobody else (though from a 'romantic' relationship perspective, I am generally the pleaser, the one wanting to do things for the other though in my own INTJ way of thinking I know what they need ;) ). Curiously it was martial arts that first got me into MBTI, mainly as my instructor years ago was keen to find out about his students to help them learn better and also get an insight into their learning styles which are strongly linked to the type. He was alledegdly by his own typing an ENTJ, he was and certainly still is extroverted... Great interview, there's so much more to this than I'm aware of, but too much to eat for now!

As an INTJ, I really found your discussion on 'tribalism' very interesting. My current workplace is trying to implement a 'tribe' environment and after listening to the 8-hour audio file provided to me, it just made me feel nervous as I felt my personality type won't integrate very effectively. After watching this video, I feel that looking for another job is just going to be the easiest way around it lol

So much new vocabulary here! I was starting to see light at the end of the tunnel on standard MBTI. Well, now I have to figure out a new list of concepts. No chance of getting board. I can't hate making it all more science based.

You mentioned you often have some difficulty enjoying the moment due to always looking ahead rather than just taking in all the details- I wonder if this is truly a common theme of us Ni-doms, since I've heard of it before. I really find it hard to spend a lot of time doing things that are supposed to be "fun," but don't provide an objective goal- but when I do (for example, just browsing youtube) it always feels like a waste of time.

Very interesting the discuss about consume. I think that taking too much information (more than you can bare) can overload you. Agree with what Dave said that all of us can feel left, misunderstood, or we just don't fit many times.

26:38 "Everywhere you go, there you are"

Wow...Dave, the Wizard behind the curtain.

26:00 I got that! It's a checkerboard (INTJ stereotype) in the sand, probably by the seaside, meaning: I'm a strategist even when I'm in vacation (?)

I took the Briggs Meyers without knowing anything about personality types, but I've always been honest and accepting of who I am. So when I read the description for INTJ it fit 90% of the time. My differences involved showing love to my children, I believe my childhood is the reason for that, though I do raise them as an INTJ parent. And I consume constantly(usually multiple things at once), but again my childhood is the reason. Though finding loopholes is my jam. D&D Dungeon Masters hate me.

I am still not certain about my mbti. But I will watch videos play games and read so many things on a topic especially about mbti and sometimes movies specifically on horror movies and thrillers(consume) Then I talk about it with my family and friends and they all confused about it and everything and me trying to explain it in different ways and also asking about their opinions(gather) Then I try to type everybody with that videos I watch or articles I read or even horoscope etc and stuff(blast I am thinking)

really good conversation :) love the intj analysis :)

Learning how to consume pointless social interactions is so relatable 😂😅

The list of INTJ hobbies (Including "To Do" lists) at the 41:14 mark was dead-on.

Somehow, as an INTJ, i'm favoring Dave's system than CS Joseph. & i can relate to his process more although it's actually quite complex, if i may say. I'm getting the hang of the O's, D's, PBCS, etc.. This video is packed w/ a whole Ni speed going on. Nice one!

Practice practice practice

🤣Running around the internet watching videos @ 2x😂 If it's a day where Erik Thor is a bit tired, he's just right at 1.25x😬

Aight, this was actually really interesting. Would love to see more ^^

Cool interview glad you did this :)

I have spent a lot of time watching RU-vid videos of Mr. SuperPOWER than hanging out with my father.

23:29 "Make fun of others grammar mistakes" Guilty! lol

"watch them on twice speed" me watching this 3 years later in 2x speed:

He doesn’t come across at ALL like someone who doesn’t use Fe. He must have worked on it, lol. Very congenial.

Fascinating.

@17:00 it's called "qualification" - had that realization my first year of college

35:00 you're saying that ExxJs and IxxPs are predisposed towards narcissism?

I love this interview! One thing I have to disagree with is that I think you do look like some intjs that I know. A lot of times, the tertiary fi comes out as an unusual fashion choice or hairstyle.

What program did you use to show him things during the convo?

You mentioned having to learn some of the soft skills to interact with others easier. Something I struggle with. Would you share some of those resources, pls?

I have issues with consuming a whole lot of information, too I simply cannot pay attention in 3 hour long lectures or keep reading several pages without taking time to process the information. Does that make me Ni-dom? I can also really identify with Dave's abstract method of communicating. I'd really like to get some traction on my personality type

I’m new to typology and started out with Myers-Briggs so I’m still kinda stuck in the whole stereotype thing. I’m confused about the consume, sleep, play thing. Lol what is that!? Also what are you referring to when you mention feminine vs masculine? Is this something Dave covers in his videos? Love this video, btw! Great info!

Dave actually seems like a jumper isfp .. He's adorable btw ISFP

What does it mean if I get really annoyed and angry by hearing other people saying incorrect facts or incorrect assumptions, and I also get annoyed when somebody else keeps bothering me and is talking too much to me. What is my deamon function based on this? It is my big struggle when I have to interact with people and not get annoyed. I also procrastinate often when I have something important to do (like writing a letter of motivation). I know many people don't like me because they see me as arrogant, but I can't help myself getting annoyed by them. I hate when somebody has low standards or wants something important to be easy and complains that others have high expectations of him/her. I just plainly think those people are stupid. I know they are right when they say I am arrogant, and I am really worried I stay like this forever and will not achieve anything in life because of that. I am also afraid I am biased and that is why I can't decide what my type is. Do you have any opinion on what my deamon function might be? Is the information I wrote here even relevant to my question?

The spelling one I've seen linked to ISTJ too. I'll notice, but as you said I don't really care. So I'm not likely to actually comment on it.

I just discovered that I might have Consume last

I'm sorry--LiJo, you look awesome. Super Dave and Frank James are great, and I've seen several of your videos, but I am completely enamored by your look. This is just a comment, no follow up or reply is needed. Keep doing what you're doing. Thanks.

I'm curious what your initial MBTI test said :D Younger people caring more about whether people understand them sounds legit. :o I am good at spelling does that mean I'm not an INTJ? 😂 But it's so visual and intuitive for me, it's not like memory fact bizness. I don't get upset about it unless it interferes with communication though. I kind of did more as a young teen, but I think my dad is ISTJ so that might make sense. Going through the maze? I wouldn't chew through it, just crawl over the top, way easier. But there IS always something better :D I think I keep getting confused about how strong my Fi is because I spent a couple years trying to figure out how to people effectively after really messing up a friendship by being, well, kind of a nutjob. Actually what got me into MBTI at all. Working on trying to a) figure out how to understand people well enough to get better expectations of them and b) understand myself enough to figure out why I was so messed up and insecure. My consume is definitely not last. I couldn't say if it is first or not but it's definitely not last. I would be surprised if I am anything but play last 😅 ... although as Dave elaborates a little, mine hasn't really been very mature, either. It's only been really quite recently that my consume activities have been deliberate and for self improvement rather than just spending 3 days on the couch with a novel about dragons. Maybe I don't fully grasp what he means by consume. 🤷‍♀️ Great interview, lots of nice insights. Thanks!

So, what is it when you ask others for their opinions, even though you've already made up your mind? But the purpose of the survey isn't necessarily to see if you should change your mind (although it might). I've had several friends/family say to me, when I do this, "Why are you asking me when you know you're going to do what you want to do anyway?" That sounds like "self above tribe", to use your terms. Ever since I happened upon your channel, I've heard a lot of terms I've never heard before. I recently learned about the idea of the function stack, and then, through your channel, learned about objective typing and the idea that there are 512 types, when you factor in the "subtypes," I guess they could be called. Mathematically, the 512 suggests to me that there are 32 subtypes of each of the original 16.

You did a good job! I don't know you. will check out your channel.

Is that Ne eyes

Okay, after watching this, I like Play but realized I definitely have Consume way over Play. I LOOOVE consuming. I get in the zone with that. I spend HOURS EVERY DAY researching the internet, YT, reading books etc to absorb as much information as possible on my interests to help me strategize optimally and position myself best to implement my long-term business goals and passion project. To give some perspective, behind me are two (of my many) bookcases and in one of them are over 120 books just on web design and development. And I have read most all of them or at least the parts I bought them for (in the case of the programming "cook books"). I have another whole bookcase full of nothing but psychology, philosophy and science books. And another 2 bookcases just on gardening, environmental, ecology and sustainability books. This consume also sort of plays out in that I am very good at writing technical manuals because I am good at breaking down the steps for non-tech users to really be able to follow along. I spend a lot of time perfecting these manuals. At work, I'm a system administrator and developer but my two bosses always come to me to write user guides for our department. It's not my favorite thing to do but I do like it and I'm really good at it. So yeah, my consume is very deliberate and focused for the most part. I will read a whole book in a day or too if it's not to big (larger ones I tend to read in spurts and interrupt to consume other stuff too). I occasionally go down the rabbit hole of listening to music videos on YT but that's more rare. It's like an amazing awesome addiction. The PROBLEM is that my dishes really need to get done and they don't. I need to make enough money to hire a maid.

Grammar mistakes and spelling mistakes irk me quite a bit, but I think it's more because I'm an English teacher. There's no way I'm an ENFP or ENTP. That being said, I know you guys weren't claiming that as an ultimate truth. Also, I guess I don't actually go around correcting people online, lol. I only correct people who pay me to do so. On rare occasions, I might online correct if said grammar criminal idiotically tries to prove him or herself right in response to another person correcting them. Okay have a good day.

Still waiting on my cookie, DAVE!

Yeah, you are left out when you are living in the countryside in the middle of nowhere.

What you mean you talk a lot about it in class?Are you a student ?How old are you?How old is he?What is the place of this class?...I know I miss a lot of things

That maze at 24:10 is so inefficient. Just look at the left side - it would be impossible to get in there and get lost, which is the point. If you go in and just take the right turn every time you'll be out in no time. But the funniest thing about it? I'm an ENTP and critiquing this maze design literally feels like being a grammar Nazi (which I also am, although I forgive typos and have a well thought-out framework for matching the severity of grammar precision to the medium of communication) just like you were talking about in the previous meme....

Im blast last and I'm picking up speed, look out haha

The inferior IS NOT the demon function. It is the inferior function. The heirarchy goes (Hero, Parent, Child, Inferior, Nemesis, Critic, Trickster, Demon). Please read John Beebe and watch youtuber C.S. Joseph.

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Dave is super cute.

How can I help and learn? Im trying to spread it out like covid. Its tough!

What type is Dave?

Jung as a cult and online industry

Ugh, my stomach sunk when I realized this video confirms... geez I don’t even want to say it. 😆 Great video! What is the channel/person that you learned “emotion” stuff from?

Is it possible to be an INTJ consume first? This coming from someone who has never heard this stuff about consuming before...

Have you ever checked another typing system to see if you're an ENTP that's been typed as an INTJ? ENTPs are supposedly very hard to type correctly

this was a great video thank you. you remind me of ENFP though. Definitely more dominant Fi.

Kind of Edward Norton talk

Interesting, but I need a more efficient presentation.

Zen?

Infj and isfp

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Oy vey... am I going to get into this stuff...

This conversation is such bs

Can you give link for that one girl at youtube who tell how to fe i reallyyy need that🥲🥲