IONIQ 5 N: Tech deep-dive with an R&D engineer | Auto Expert John Cadogan 

2.2 ton back road monster 😂

@@mattyoz0I’d love to hear the feedback from your drive of the Ioniq 5 N. I’ll wait.

What do you mean it won't be as fun as an ice car? Rubbish

​@@dezza718I agree. It seems to me that it's possible to enjoy the different 'fun' aspects of ICEVs and EVs. Why does it always have to be one versus the other?

Tesla 3P has been racing for a long time and is $20k cheaper and runs similar performance. 3PLudicrous will beat it. "Annoyingly the Tesla Model 3 Performance is Spectacular. Okay you heard it here first, the (BMW) M3 has no reason to exist because the (Tesla) M3P is better." Cammisa. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5xj0R4MyDhE.html

He's an impressive chap.

He is good talent - for sure. He'll go a long way.

i am pretty sure hyundai bribed the self proclaimed auto expert to not say negative things about EV's

​@@ursodermatt8809Cut the crap.

Ear buds via Bluetooth so rest of us don't have to put up with it.

Hopefully they're able to turn all that crap off so people who understand how electric power is supposed to be delivered can get the best performance from it too. Too many petrol heads come across as 5 year olds saying 'car go vroom', even when it doesn't need to and it's slower because of it.

I have to disagree. I have a performance EV and it has one of the fake engine stuff and its great fun. You have the get past you don't have a petrol engine and accept my car has 670nm at any revs and that has a joy all of its own.

@@peglor It can be turned off. Or changed to sound like a jet turbine, or this other quite strange sound that was added purely for the lols. It's also possible to turn off the external speaker so the only people that hear the noise are the occupants in the car. No need to be a hater because it makes simulated ICE noises.

Don't think so, the fastest ev in the world the Rimac Nevera only has the one gear like most EVs

How so?

@@mattyoz0 Well for one thing, your guaranteed of going through more water pumps , in a n ICE BMW than an Ioniq ! :).

@pwrrpw319 not one of my BMW's needed a water pump. Tell me you know nothing about modern BMW's without telling me you know nothing. If they were so unreliable, why would I be about to own my 4th one. Zero problems and Zero servicing cost. I'll enjoy my 2025 390kw M4 xdrive. You enjoy dreaming about 2.2 ton buses 🚌 that pretend they're an ICE vehicle.

@@mattyoz0 My apologies mate I just was having a dig,, I knew I would get a rise out of you, and your right Ive never owned one & they do seem like a nice car, until they go wrong, as BMW's are known for all kinds of plastic plumbing going wrong after they hit the 100k mark, but there are plenty of other cars with similar issues & these days if timing chains need to be replaced, its engine out & so much plastic that just breaks, I believe Hyundai has a more favorable reliability score than BMW, & certainly Waaaaay better than Merv's, & an electric car like the Hyundai needs little servicing & should be waaaaay more reliable, in theory than an ICE BMW or any other ICE car for that matter, with much less to go wrong!, that was my main point.

@@mattyoz0 lol imagine m4 getting smoked by this 2.2 ton bus

In the abstract, it's impressive.

My 5N is still at the factory

The Synthesizer is also instruments that was initially made to mimic the sound of the piano.

It's the only track e suv in that segment. Why no sense?

@@IoniqIonityIonna it makes no sense that a 2.2T car can do what it does! Also the idea of faking a gear box makes no sense to me - but don't get me wrong, I'm so glad that it does and I find myself using it all the time.

Me too. You've encapsulated the whole point.

Let's have one with 3 pedal driving

Provided you can also turn the fake gearbox off to get the best lap times out of it too. Driving with fake flappy paddle gear shifts is great fun, but it doesn't give you the best the car can do, and doing back to back laps with gear shifts and without them would add a whole other dimension to playing with it on the track. Same story with CVTs - sure they sell better when they behave in a familiar way, especially the mass market stuff where most of the customers have no idea what they're buying, but anyone who understands how they work sees it as deliberately not playing to the advantages the system was designed to have over gearboxes in the first place, in both efficiency and performance.

@@peglor We care more about fun than performance. This is not a race car

​@@peglor If it was made to be racing car, then yes. If it was made to be pure fun, then it's different story.

Thank you.

It's very brave to put someone like him on camera with someone like me.

America still can't do it

Thank you.

+1 on that. This and the recent interviews with the ReDriven guys have been a welcome change from the previously abusive boofhead version of John. I may drop by from time to time to see if the persona change sticks.

Yes - there are worse alternatives...

I think you will find in business almost all problems are caused by the reverse. Techies running programs developing things for end consumers. I've been in market research for car manufacturers. I can assure you it's engineers that screw up the process

@@1949cr Thank you, that is very interesting. I've been wondering about that, especially with what's happened to Boeing. At first glance it appears to be engineering vs bean counters, but as is often the case, it's just not that simple. Perhaps delving deeper into this could establish a methodology where the different forces play in harmony as opposed to any one department having veto power.

@@pensiveidea I don't think anyone looking at the Boeing scandals thinks it's not a problem with bean counting (Or rather sociopaths who love money far more than any concept of ethics - cost engineering is a very important part of making products better when done right). Boeing saved money by firing their highly experienced, highly qualified engineers, literally outsourcing most of their engineering to unqualified but much cheaper companies in the far east, becase in a competitive labour market you actually have to pay serious money to get decent engineers. You could say the engineering problem was a lack of engineers, but that would be misrepresenting what they're doing quite dramatically, when the real problem was not being profitable enough rather than not being profitable. This, combined with the FAA being underfunded and mostly rubber stamping whatever Boeing told them, allowed it to get as far as it did. As for market research being the good thing and engineers messing it all up in the car industry, that's unfortunately exactly what I would expect to hear from someone who works in marketing and doesn't understand that engineering is limited by the laws of physics, not by peoples random wishes in surveys. Engineers are victims of their own success in the automotive world - it's not easy to make 2 tonnes of steel do 200 km/h so smoothly and safely that the average driver won't immediately kill themselves doing it, but modern cars, in fact cars from 20 years ago in many cases, have made it an underwhelming experience. Also, where in the market research did consumers request that cars collect as much data about everything their 'owners' do to send back to the car companies without telling them. I put owner in inverted commas because while they paid for it, they don't own the car - anything with on the air updates can be bricked remotely at the whim of the manufacturer. I don't think consumers clamoured for that one either but they're getting it whether they like it or not.

yep...I'm getting Lexus LFA vibes

@@pensiveidea No, no! As Douglas Adams might infer: Market Researchers should be left to run the planet. Thank you Ford Prefect.

I might be preggers with Elon's baby...

​@@AutoExpertJCnah, you're just an honest guy who doesn't let any prejudice or preconceived notions stop you from telling it how it really is like a true Aussie ❤️

@@AutoExpertJC Matter/antimatter conversion will soon take care of that.

@@AutoExpertJCjust was wondering when you will buy a caravan and head out to Dingo Piss Creek ?

For fuck sake John , that's an image I didn't need in my head . I hope you used IVF.​@@AutoExpertJC

Summernats here we come.

No. Focus rs's didn't.

But the bogan folks will beat the car and driver before it makes it to the burnout pad 😂

I remember John Cadogan talking about Ford Focus RS drift mode. I seem to remember this and a conversation about the Ford Mustang line lock mode being anti social. Are these the same or different?

@@theairstig9164 Quite different. Hyundai isn't advocating any kind of drifting on public roads. That's why they've taken it to a track. Having a readily available feature that, upon engaging it, is breaking the road rules (and endangering the public) is something entirely different. Also the Focus RS was an unreliable shitbox.

Sin bin. 😉

and the Tiburon / Coupe

Yep ud love them to a do shooting brake or sportswagon shape that would appease us holden fans who love their sportswagons and earlier versions. For me my 2013 VF SV6 sportswagon is a keeper 200,000km still super reliable and a great all rounder.

@@lucifersatan8968yep.....with a nice "barrel" painted on the side

That's a step too far 😂😂😂

Thank you, Don.

So stealth... Congrats!

It's a Hyundai lol

@@5lcalais1 IMHO, I really don’t mind if it’s Tesla, Kia, Toyota, Mazda or an EV bike company … if they are willing to provide smart/skilled careers for our country and future generations, then I’m very happy. I would have thought that someone who enjoys the long past skills of Australian Mechanical Engineers, in driving a Ford XR6, that you would understand the importance and value of education, skills and quality careers - otherwise we just end up a country of bogans. Fortunately Ford Australia still has a local design and engineering team who lead the development of the Ranger, Ranger Raptor, and Everest − vehicles sold in approximately 180 markets globally. Quality smart/skilled jobs for Australians.

@@5lcalais1Kia and Hyundai are basically conjoined twins, sharing much of their manufacturing

Australia sent troops to protect Korea from commies in 1950s. They are sending love to those who saved Korea from slavery called communism/socialism. Thank you Australia.

​@@yootoobvyooerPlease explain the Nordic Socialist countries and their slavery.

It's a colloquialism...

I think the expression is slang, not a colloquialism dudddddddddddddddddddddd

@@trevornewman1462 I think you need an "e" on the end, my dude

@@alichamas63 there are duds and dudes duuuuuude

They exist, but they aren't boobs - they just look like boobs. Therefore, man-made substitutes/accessories, but fake boobs.

Thanks Mark. Will do.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

The government pushing EV's and punishing ICEs is nonsense, but car companies making fun, sporty EVs is awesome. If I was rich enough, I'd have an EV6 GT as my daily, and a bunch of ICE's sitting in my garage for the weekend or road trips with my portable living-room/dunny 🤷

Thank you. Probably 50+ CPUs in total.

Ohhh yeah and Daytona was a bit arcade like compared to Sega Rally back in the day. Those machines robbed me of thousands of $2 coins before the real home simulators became available 🤭

@@jasoncee666Daytonnnnnaaaaaaaaaa!

NVision 74 looks like a futuristic cyberpunk delorean

A confusing comment, the iPhone is close to the same thing year on year, this is not that.

Or straight black tinter 👌🤣 in saying that owing a black car in Melbourne it's a friggen nightmare to keep clean lol

Get a Tesla 3 performance Ultimately quicker albeit for less laps and $30k less coin. I have the older 2022 3p and it's absolutely the ultimate daily and indeed quicker than the ioniq5n on the street. Being a sedan vs an SuV it costs less in tyres to the tune of $1500 a set of tyres

@@karlajensen100, please be quiet. You are the prime example of EV wanker that I referred to in my post. Your Tesla infatuation is comically stupid and irrelevant in a video about mindblowing tech and fun factors encapsulating the Ioniq N.

@@karlajensen100 You are a prime example of EV wanker that I mentioned in my original post. For $30k more than you paid for your Tesla 3p, you'd get an entertaining machine that is involving, fun, and bristling with tech & drive mode options. I'd spend the extra $30k on the Ioniq 5N just for its superior battery cooling and handling capabilities, and I doubt whether I'd be alone. Your wet dream is fast, but that's it. They're pumped out like confetti, have no soul, have shocking build quality, and have killer depreciation.

​@@karlajensen100Tesla 3 performance is boring. You have to try 5N to understand why, especially drift modem .

We should start a petition.

In a way implementing what some already call "an enhanced sound system" makes a lot of sense: people actually feel that a car is much faster when it simulates having a high revving ICE. This has been scientifically tested and proven with a bog-standard hatchback that overlayed the engines sounds with the sounds of a much higher revving rally-/racecar. People who drove the car with the "enhanced sound" on really thought they were driving much faster than they did without the system. Car manufacturers have known for quite some time that sound is an important part of the driving experience, so some of them have a specialized team that tweaks and tunes the exhaust system to make the noise more pleasant sounding.

Opening your window when you come off the freeway and onto a speed restricted road introduces noise that changes your perception of speed. Nobody likes to get a speeding ticket. This slows you down gently. Oh, that crawling feeling.

Thank you.

I've got a Pt 2 in the can.

It's a proper supercar...

DC 500kW from the battery thats insane rate like flat in 10 min

@@phoneticaua Tesla model 3 SR+ gets along at about 30-33kw on the highway for two to three hours. But the motor is 190kw. Full tilt would/will overheat the battery in 6 minutes. Forget depletion. 500kw is only used for seconds at a time not minutes

Shame it's limited to 260klms ,with that power it could be easily capable of 350klmh ,it'll be intentionally limited so I doubt you'd be able to change it. Put it up against any performance ice car with same power to weight (say a supra) and watch the supra sail past once the 5n hits that 260 limit and on a track day at some tracks that's very possible speeds ,some cars routinely hit 300 at eastern creek ,hell there's a gtr that trapped 190mph up that straight at roll racing lol granted it has 1500hp lol Not hating it ,just a shame it's limited. Hell even my 500hp fg xr6t could hit 300 on a big enough straight 🤔👌

You can't really apply 478kW for 10 minutes...

Making this car do that is a real technical achievement.

I’d argue better than JDMs now when considering the prices their competitors eg Type R and Corolla GR are charging. I have a Ltd Ed fastback N myself. In manual.

​@@AutoExpertJCdon't you know, the designer was the original German head of the BMW M Division?. That German bloke has been given a free hand to make the N performance oriented cars. No so much the for Cushy sedans with marshmallow suspension. This Ionic N is the M3 and M4 (that's BMWs not teslas) killer. Customers from UK and US are booking these in a hurry... Oh, it's the only EV that can do TWO laps of the Nurbergring track on a full charge without any battery throttle downs!!!.

The Chinese cars are developing 2-4x faster than the Korean's did. Interesting times.

Yeah. AB is an industry legend.

It's a proper supercar.

Agree.. I agree with the many commenters on his video that that video will help Hyundai sell heaps of them.. It's mind blowing that this thing leaves even Porsche's EVs for dead on the Nurburgring both with consecutive laps charging etc.. The fact the tyres on those cars looked as good as they did with no real extra wear issues after two laps at full tilt was just incredible.. I'm no EV fan but with the fake gear shifts, pops and bangs etc etc I'd love to have a drive of one..

The airbags are real; the ICE is fake.

Sounds good to me ☺️

Only 0.0001% of drivers heel and toe. Useless waste of many for Hyundai to invest in that.

Dual-clutch transmissions in ICE cars don't have a clutch pedal. They're faster than any manual. Heel-toeing is unnecessary even in an i20 N thanks to the computer controlled rev-matching, which is better than any driver, in all situations. Time to move on.

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