I think one of the reasons Apple made the iPad Pro even thinner is to reduce the overall thickness when using it with their Magic Keyboard. If you fold that thing up it's pretty massive.
I personally think that the only reason for the reduced thickness is the fact OLED panels are thinner and it allows to make the iPad thinner with no additional change on the inside.
@@techsamurai11 11 inches models did not have local dimming, however I don't know if they were edge lit or full array. Not that it matters, OLED stay thinner no matter how LCD are lit.
Yep, I work in an environment where loads of people use iPad Pros as their primary devices, and almost everyone has a Magic Keyboard attached most of the time. The thinness makes a huge difference in that situation.
Nice review but I feel that you spend too much time talking about the iphone instead of the new ipad in the gaming section of the video. Even the footage is mostly the iphone version. More videos showing the new iPad gaming performance would be nice.
Absolutely spot on and apple you can guarantee knows This the only reason they won’t let us use Mac OS is because it will cannibalise those sales for MacBooks a Mac OS enabled M4 iPad would be a game changer for a LOT of people
No, iPadOS should not become MacOS. There's plenty of applications that use w/e power's available on iPadOS. Moreover, once you start pushing for that power demand on a tablet, you can't escape from physics constraints and like the Macbook Air, certain applications will saturate w/e cooling you have and it'll throttle back to a different power profile. More powerful iPad chips allow for a better power 2 efficiency curve. If you want a keyboard + mouse + desktop level of applications, get a macbook air or other windows tablet/PC hybrid.
for sure but it will be unlikely to replace console currently . the automatic assumption for most people on mobile is that games are free and for console its that games are paid . this means devs are unlikely to port their games without seeing a good return on investment
@@abz7800 I remember when Super Mario Run cost like £8 and people went nuts. Compared to £30/40 normally for a Nintendo game. People’s logics do need to change.
@@abz7800 Honestly, the main thing holding us back is battery, which we may have fixed if we can put Solid State batteries (I think Toyota wasn't the "First" but they had the biggest improvement getting nearly 750 miles in a single charge but there's apparently better ones coming out in testing) in a tiny formfactor. We've focused so much on making our devices efficient because Lithium Ion is so dangerous. A 7000 mAh battery is considered unsafe which a lot of tablets use on minimum spec devices, and 10000 mAh is the largest we've had it without severe risk of it blowing up (not to mention how much fast charging has worn these batteries down so quickly and causes it to balloon up, which leave it at risk for exploding). If mobile manufacturers could stop worrying about reaching the 8W or 15W performance measures to conserve battery life, we'd be in such a good spot for handhelds/mobile devices actually having good quality without pulling an Asus handheld which dies within an hour at max performance mode lol.
My guess is that these devices are used as a stepping stone. Once a critical mass of publisher partnerships has been reached, apple will plonk an M5-6 into their apple tv and become the most vertically integrated console maker over night
@@abz7800 The goal is not to replace the console but more to motivate devs to optimise their new games for apple silicon and so, include apple into the gaming world. Realistically only M pro chips are able to actually play recent games but the strategy with Apple is interesting : Ok you won't have the same experience on Mac relative to a 4080 PC but if you buy a game on the App Store you will have access to it on your iPhone, your iPad and Mac so you can enjoy games visuals on great screens and sound system.
Recently picked up an M4 iPad myself and I definitely agree with a lot of what you had to say here. The hardware is so good you want to use it all the time, but then software headaches rear their head and leave you frustrated. It’s an amazing premium tablet and nothing more. It will not replace your laptop. It is a luxury computing device for most people.
I was using a 2019 pro and it replaced my laptop till this year🤷🏽♂️ so it’s possible, mind you that was with way weaker hardware lol. It’s not a perfect experience but I was able to accomplish video editing & photo editing. Was there hiccups? Yes. Did I get annoyed? Yes. Point is, it def can replace a laptop if you need it to and learn work arounds on the tablet.
@@MWM1293it can for some tasks like video editing and photo editing. But I cannot imagine giving ip my PC workstation for video and photos. It was a long time ago that I played a game on ipad.
Most of the gaming review section is about the iPhone, and that it was locked 30fps on the iPad. There's instructions online for unlocking the framerate (and changing other settings) for resident evil. Exploring that to see how the iPad compares unlocked would have been more informative. Looking on youtube, the first result when seaching for 60fps m4 ipad resident evil, shows it running about 60fps. It would be good to get that confirmed by digital foundry.
Yes I did this with death stranding. Running at a higher resolution, HDR and 60 fps. You just need to get a copy of the config file from the mac version, update the settings via a text editor and drop it in the games root folder by connecting the iPad to a MAC. Runs really well on my m4 ipad. It is a shame though that we have to jump through so many hoops. There is a great thread on Reddit on this.
It's not the first, he does this in other videos and so do some of the other guys
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I was hoping for Oliver to get a 16GB RAM iPad so we could get more Apple Reviews! Happy it happened and also a request, Oliver try changing the config files for RE4, Death Stranding and RE7 so we can see what is the limit of the iPad.
For my use, iPad hardware 10/10 - Software 2/10. It still has the same problems as before, and Apple hasn't fixed any of my IOS issues. I'll probably wait for Windows ARM tablet/laptop combo with new chip.
@@fliko6808iphone got way less people than android in what community concerns, not only that but to play those games you need to have the highest end things of apple (Not even iphone 15 can run them) and on top of that you have to pay 50USD extra for each of them. On Android even low end devices can play PC games which is impressive and obviously the amount of people is magnitudes higher, not only that but most people will opt for piracy which is not available on apple (Or is it? You know since the lawsuit where you now have the possibility to install apps outside the appstore) there's no competition at all.
I bought my iPhone 15 Pro because I wanted to be able to play AC Mirage on the go. And then I bought the iPad M4 just because the amazing OLED panel it has. And then I ended up sticking with my iPad for gaming, and my iPhone for what’s meant to be, a phone. 😅
tell me you are rich without telling me you are rich, unless u are dumb enough to spend everything in a phone and a tablet and not have a gaming setup, that's like 4000 euros, enough to have a gaming setup, a tv a console and a laptop if u don't buy the higher tier devices and aim for good performance/ratio and leftover for a decent phone. I had a m1 macbook pro myself when it came out, it was just a tablet with a keyboard, very good speakers, nice screen but not oled, but really i couldn't do anything with it, in my case a decent window laptop would've been better even if the speakers are not the same, but for 2k u can find a good ultrabook with a 4050 low power or something which is enough for 1080p
@@albertotrigosbueno5547 i'am actually rich, thanks for pointing that out, I have my gaming setup too, Series X, PS5, Nintendo Switch, and my Windows PC with a 4090, and a 77 G4 OLED. I just do it because I want to have fun. I recently bought a MacBook Air M3, just to try the new games on Mac, like AC Shadows. but of course I will play it on my PC by the end of the day.
Absolutely the best screen money can buy right now. Movies and HDR content on it just looks insanely good. I wouldn’t buy it as a primarily gaming machine, but it does work very well for a bit of gaming on the side. And Oliver, get a Magic Keyboard if you can - adds a lot to the device!
steam deck and a tab s9 plus or ultra gets you the same as the same price, and u don't need to spend a single dollar on games on the deck if u don't want to or wanna play online u don't buy this thing unless u gonna work on it or u are filthy rich who doesn't know what to do with the money
I don't think it was mentioned in the video, but if you want to be blown away by the iPad Pro M4 try Warzone Mobile. Playing the Team Death Match Maps it's crazy how comparable it gets to looking like Modern Warfare 3 even at high frame rates
Honestly, completely disagree. Sure the animations and overall look are sort of there, but the asset quality and density is completely obliterated, the baked lighting is far lower quality and there's no ambient occlusion or volumetric lighting, and the shading on materials is significantly dumbed down. If it was made specifically for this high end hardware in mind, it'd get a lot closer, but still way below. Top end mobile hardware has reached 8th Gen console level specs for a few years now, just a matter of unoptimized OS.
It's impressive for such a portable device but it's nowhere near to MW3 running on a proper gaming PC. Not even the much smaller display can mask it...
I use the iPad Pro about 14 hours a day. I am watching this video on my iPad, I use it as a second display, browsing machine, reading tablet, note taking tablet and as other people would use a phone at home. I bought the 1 terabyte 13 inch m4 a couple days ago and it is truly wonderful. With how much I use my iPad I swap every two ish years which is basically every generation of iPad Pro. Did the bonus RAM and marginally better chip on the 1 terabyte show any difference compared to a lower specced M4 iPad Pro?
I’ve played re7 and almost beat village on my m4 iPad. I think it’s amazing of how well it runs on this machine and the battery life doesn’t dive bomb either
The operating system needs an overhaul. File management on iPad and iPhone is buggy and limited (somehow worse on iPad). The AppStore makes them a ton but there has to be some way to improve file management and also implement stronger desktop applications
I still dont get how they made a dead space mobile game like 15 years that looks on par or even better than these ports and that ran smooth on nearly every device it supported.
I have a 13inch 1TB M4 IPad Pro and I’m stunned at how much I use it everyday.If your work can be done in browsers, it’s the only desktop computer you need
I was really looking forward to the iPad tests. These devices are becoming real competitors to consoles, and their power is exploding generation after generation.
If they made it 1.5x or even 2x the thickness, they could massively increase the battery capacity, it would be more amazing. With the money saved in design costs, avoiding the 5mm budget, they could double the storage capacity also. Customers will end up putting a case on it so it can stand, and make it comfortable to hold anyway.
I can see this tablet being a good device for Landscape and travel photographers. Lightroom CC and the other CC apps can work very well while on the go, and as long as you're not shooting 100's of photos a day and managing libraries i think the ipad could do what you need while on the road
From a proper OLED fanboy and I love the tech currently have a Panasonic LZ200 OLED that one only gets 1000 plus nits on a 10% window now the fact this iPad tandem OLED reaches that numbers on the full size of the 100% panel is absolutely insane I have the 13 inch M4 IPad and I get what people say it’s addictive to use because the panel is simply gorgeous too look at watching Dolby vision movies on it is better than any TV on the market if apple made a 65 inch version I would sell a kidney for that
TV OLEDs use multiple emissive elements per subpixel already for years (or basically forever). This is only new for smaller panels like in tablets. The reason your TV doesn't reach that brightness is power draw and heat. Smaller panels simply have a easier time with that.
@@SentinelBorg great info mate I would still love a tandem OLED display in consumer TVs that would be awesome but I wonder what the power draw would be and I assume a panel heatsink would be a must
@@CH-bn7qb It is just not possible in a realistic manner. The same way there are no TVs with AMOLED panels (which also beat TVs in full screen brightness). "Tandem OLED" is just a small/mobile LG panel with now two emissive sources per pixel, while for example their WOLED in TVs use four.
@@SentinelBorg wouldn't that take away the infinite contrast ratio? i mean even if it's 5000000:1? what about the pixel next to the dark area in a scene, the next pixel is bright so the dark one also is active, wouldn't that kill the oled look?
Awesome “shout out” for Mr Mac Right, footage a channel that should get a bit more attention for Mac Gaming. Which Mac Gaming is a crazy thing to be talking about, but I am genuinely impressed with these devices running games. Remembering playing games on the original game boy. To seeing this on a phone or tablet, is crazy.
I appreciate this video since I would like to see more console like games coming to iPad. More gaming options just makes the iPad a more versatile device if I can game on it and especially if I want to travel. Previously, I would also have to pack whatever Nintendo device I was using at the time, while carrying an iPad for web browsing, music and video.
It'd be great to see a comparison with a cooler attached to the iphone. Leadjoy M1C+ for example supports a cooler while providing seemingly the same features as a backbone one, but I can't find any comparisons regarding game performance with and without coolers.
I was hoping DF would review the iPad Pro and the new 13 ich Air. I just purchased an iPad 13 Air with Pencil Pro, Logitech Combo Keyboard and Mouse for my daughter heading to college instead of getting a PC. The note taking capabilities of the iPad Air and the ability to split screen seem to be amazing with some of the best note-taking apps (makes you wonder why Office 365 still comes with the terrible in comparison OneNote). I was a bit disappointed that stage manager doesn't work as well as you expected because it would be nice to have a 27 inch external screen to add real estate and multi-task. Surprisingly, the 14 inch HP Spectre was on sale with a i7 (22 cores), 512gb, 32 gb RAM, an OLED, and a Pencil was only $1,250 and it also has a touchscreen and 2-in-1 design is also an alternative option and an extremely well-appointed one. But does the pencil work the same way? Probably not... I've also watched a lot of productivity videos on Office on iPad and people point to not being able to use Macros in Excel or do somethings in Word. Most of my spreadsheets no longer use Macros. If you write Macros then you're already need a larger laptop just for the extra display.
I mean, I can do anything I need on an iPad Pro 2018 with A12X. The only time I ever got an issue was when I made a massive GarageBand track and the 4GB of RAM was a limiting factor. So A12X wasn’t even an issue. (Also it still features higher memory bandwidth than the latest iPhone too) Other than my small GarageBand issue, almost everything runs great. I’m currently playing SpongeBob SquarePants The Cosmic Shake at max settings 60 fps with no issues on my iPad. I see no value in upgrading yet.
@@1gta4gta You missed my point did you ? I know my iPad can't run these games. I wouldn't want to play such games on a passively cooled device anyway. My point was, no need to spend so much money on a M4 iPad Pro when a M1 or even M2 iPad would do the trick just as well for so many people. For my use, I don't even feel the need to upgrade as playing PS4 games but worse on a tablet doesn't interest me. If I want to do serious handheld play, I'd rather get a Steam Deck, Windows handheld, or even a Nintendo Switch (or it's sucessor which is right upon us)
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 if it had steam it be amazing, too bad it’s only a handful of games. Steam would probably be the only thing to make games viable on it, because people could just play their already owned games without paying a bunch of money up front
like 3 or 4 years ago i went all apple bought a iphone 12 pro max and a macbook pro m1, 5 month later i sold both, realized with half the money i could get devices which were more usable for me, like oh look the speakers are so good, ok, but then u couldn't do anything apart from normal usage (browser music videos netflix) with the money of an macbook pro u can buy a oled tv and have a decent little laptop or steam deck if u wanna game
I got one, my first iPad, lol. I switched from Android a few months back, and I love it. RetroArch with CRT shaders on this thing is mental. It's like having a JVC D-Series in your pocket... well err backpack. I feel like Face ID was a bit of a blunder because the iPad is usually laying on a table, so you have to do this hurky-jerky motion over the table to get it to open or lift it. I'd prefer Touch ID on it as well.
Fantastic review. I would’ve loved to see more gameplay benchmark footage since it runs perfectly on the M4 iPad. Also you should lower the recording camera cause it feels like we’re looking down at you.
iPad Pro has been a fantastic web browsing machine for me, and that's enough to justify its existence for me. my only complaint is that external monitor is limited to 60hz
Hear me out.. an iPad mini with an m4 priced at $600 around the price of a steam deck and an alley, which is even more portable very quite powerful. Once they have lots of iOS games
I'm still rocking a 7th gen iPad with the A10 chip, and the combo of both this M4 processor and tandem OLED has me *really* considering an upgrade. However... then I remember that nothing I actually use my old iPad for really struggles much on my older hardware, and Retina display still looks fine to my standards. I'll probably still continue to wait another generation or two. 🤔
take a look at the iPad Air 13 - if you can live with the LCD vs Tandem OLED and don't need Promotion and FaceId, the iPad Air 13 is significantly cheaper.
@@techsamurai11 completely agree with the new IPad I would say the biggest upgrade isn’t the chip it’s the display it’s simply a quantum leap ahead I have the 13 inch and I prefer watching movies on my iPad than I do my OLED tv the display is honestly jaw dropping especially for Dolby vision movies
@@CH-bn7qb Yeah, it's funny you should say that. I have a Dell XPS 15 which came with an OLED which does 800 nits full window and 1000 nits highlight. It's not like your iPad but it's as close as a screen can get to Tandem other than a mobile small screen. It's something to behold. But I actually watch on my 2014 Sony instead of buying the A95L and it's because of the laptop. Yeah, an OLED that can have LED brightness is a game-changer. If OLED TVs can hit 500-600 nits full window, they'd be fine as 800 nits is too much except when battling light from behind. No one is going to complain about 500-600 full window brightness. I'd buy one instantly.
This made me really think about how a tablet like this could be a “switch-like” dedicated gaming platform. If it shipped with a stand and a controller, plus some sort of hub/dock. The horsepower and price are already between console and pc gaming. It honestly could be a more legitimate segment of the market.
Most already have a controller and the ipad has usb-c now and work with either Ps5 or Xbox controllers. Most already buy a case that functions as a stand. Apple only needs to build up their library and once they have enough to offer, start putting them on apple arcade to broaden appeal to game on Apple devices. As for gaming hardware this is a fair start, but the performance still needs to come in a cheaper device, like an M4 ipad air. Eventually the base model ipad should have the power for AAA games, but that would be years away, where they would quite possibly put the M2 in one of those.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 all very true. I guess along with the library, like you mentioned, marketing a device that that as a more dedicated hybrid console, like the switch, and pushing that marketing would be the real thing. Idk, I could see some future Xbox thing being like that.
Limited operating system. My office purchased four of the latest iPad pros m4 with cellular capability (1399 i think?). It's gorgeous but it just sits for me. I have a cell phone for cell phone things, a macbook m1 air for simple productivity, and a nice gaming desktop for gaming and intensive productivity. Not saying that's the end-all be all of devices to have in a workflow and game flow, but I just don't understand tablets very well.
all Apple really needs to do is, when you connected the keyboard dock or bluetooth keyboard & mouse, the OS switches to a desktop interface along with the Pro Apps, they'll never do it, but I think that's a good solution
It's a shame that emulation is so heavily detested by Apple policies because this and the other M-chip powered iPads would be the go to tablets for portable gaming if the software was there.
The larger Pro with the greater screen real-estate and using apps side by side in landscape is much more useable than you struggling on that 11! Everything is just less constrained. Doesn’t alleviate the fundamental issues with iOS, but it’s a substantial quality of life improvement.
If you're doing this more in the future, please get a lighter table and another set of lights. I can barely make out where the tablet ends and table begins.
I've been considering an iPad pro for a bit here given the performance implications of the M chips. Especially with warframe and a few other console games that support iOS.
I had to use a browser plugin to set the gain to 300% to get the content to barely reach 75% of the gain ceiling. The end mastering is set way too low. I love the content. Please increase your final gain stage.
