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I race karts myself, it's also important to note that a LOT of karting comes from the feel, as without suspension, all of the forces go through you the driver and the seat
I feel like they could possibly find a way to make it work because go karting is one thing I feel like the majority of the community would agree that needs to be a part of iRacing
I think, if they do intend to start introducing go karts, and different sizes/powers of go karts, that they might then start splitting up the road license between a GT/Production car license and a open wheel license.
IIRC, and it's a really old forum post I can't find anymore (also don't remember if this was said on an older video of yours) but afaik the suspension model HAS to exist or the sim will crash. Karts don't have a suspension. So even if they made the suspension as HARD as it could be, it would, well, drive like junk It's why I think rather than random small system updates and focusing SO hard on the tire model like everyone does, I think we should push iRacing to rebuild the suspension model. It would SUCK i'm sure, but they really do need it for the NDM and other cars to expand outward, imo. Eg: Dirt trucks actually properly handling bumps.
They should have and still should do Miller Motorsports Park or the Utah Motorsports Campus as it's called now... I'm from Utah and have spent so much time there doing photography over the years. I race this in Moto GP games on bikes and would love to in cars too.
Wow, you really did a lot of digging into the history of this. It's cool to see the old snapshots from that video that was released. I just wish I had downloaded a copy before it was taken down. It didn't dawn on me that it would disappear so quickly after I saw the clip. I definitely think they should include go karts in iRacing, but only if they can do it as well as say RF2 or AMS2. If they drive like junk, then there's no point. I love racing karts in sims that do it well. They're the best form of wheel to wheel racing IMHO. I hear people ranting about how they don't simulate weight transfer as drivers move their weight around the kart, but I don't really care; they're still fun even though they don't imitate that aspect of karting.
I still think that this would be incredible content if they ever want to revisit the go-karting idea. I have no real-life, professional racing experience, however, the go-karts I raced at Road America, K1, Speed, and other venues, were exhilarating experiences and would without a doubt be fan favorite additions to the service
As a former employee of f1 outdoors (mechanic to be specific) hearing its gone is no surprise based on how the Karen's surrounding the track reacted to its presence. Still its sad to hear about, racing the rental karts in the rain was possibly the best driving experience I've ever had... besides supermodifieds anyway... even on the continental slicks.
I remember watching the video, it was a modified Centripetal Circuit with curbs and a lot of banking on the far edges like in the screenshot. What I remember is seeing it hit a curb and flipping over and that was really it. It was a 5-10 second long clip from what I saw and it looked like shit.
F1 Outdoors was one of, if not the best kart track in the country that was kind of a hidden gem. The track itself was meticulously manicured, featuring multiple layouts, a high banked monza corner, and a fountain inside the track. They changed the name to X1 Outdoors in 2018 after the FIA took notice. The problem was. all of the attention went to the track and there was very little infrastructure in terms of pits, garages, buildings, etc. The biggest issue, and what likely drove the demise was the sound ordinance from the town and neighbors. The most strict place I've even been to. (a lot of lawyers in Boston) Everyone had to run extra silencers on 2-cycle engines, and they would do decibel checks as part of tech. Overall it was an amazing track, just wish it would of been built somewhere else, and promoted the right way. Thankfully have some videos of it on my channel when it was operational
Funny hearing about f1 outdoors randomly as I’ve lived next to it for a long time, unfortunately it was abandoned during Covid and they the tore it down for a warehouse. Me and a friend actually took our cars onto the track for a couple cool pictures before they tore everything up.
@@illiarakitin_rlr buddy it's not expensive to go run shifter carts for a day lol definitely less than setting up a decent rig with a decent wheel and decent computer/monitor etc.
@@brunz24xxx If you want to have your own and race it regularly, you will very quickly spend thousands maintaining the thing, not to mention buying a good kart to begin with.
I would love to see karts in iRacing, i originally started racing in karts & then to cars & now I landed on sim racing. Honestly karts are the most fun racing I’ve ever had and I think many people who raced karts competitively can agree. Would be a great day if iRacing ever came back to add them
I guess at the end of the day karting on iRacing wouldn’t be a very necessary feature, how would you even place it? Rookies? A rookie and C class like the other starter series? Very odd indeed. It’s crazy seeing a few of the tracks were pretty ready to go!
As a Gokart Mechanic and a long time iRacing member id pay good money if the iRacing Devs could figure out a way to work out the kinks to get a Gokarts working.
If karts ever get introduced add Canadian Tire Motorsports Park to the list of tracks. You can actually see the kart track while heading down the back straight, so it's kind of already in the game!
I karted competitively for years in the UK (Rotax) I don't think sims are made for karting driving style. It's a lot of bumper to bumper stuff, incredibly close quarters racing and I just don't think it'd work with how sensitive/powerful go karts are. It'd be cool, but I don't think the racing would be good at all. Perhaps lower CC karts would work, such as your typical go kart you'd drive at a work event or with family
Good video, it’s a shame it didnt work out, iracing scanned many tracks that had a go kart track on site. I wouldn’t mind a stand alone kart game from iracing, with the acquisitions they might be able to change the physics to make the karts more life like.
Great video. This is a no brainer. Karting should most definitely be on option and ir should re ignite the project...... Its the most popular entry motorsport in the world. Iracing pull your finger out and give the people (namely me) what they want.... Saying it's too hard is a piss poor excuse.
It's not that it's too hard.....it's that it's nearly impossible to accurately simulate the physics of a go-kart. There are hundreds of variables to consider. How the driver sits on the go-kart. Whether the driver leans in corners or not. The chassis design. The chassis flex points. The chassis flex rate. Chassis weight. Weight placement on the chassis. Tire size. Rim size. Tire brand. Tire compound. Tire pressure. Tire position. Engine class. Track surface type. Track configuration. Weather. A/F mixture. Various gearing combinations. Different exhaust pipes. Different exhaust pipe lengths. Chassis adjustability. Karting series even has to be taken into account.
I my personal opinion as a real karting driver, the current batch of Kart Sims is not great, I have tried them all, and they all have issues! I would not mind paying like 20$-40$ just for one kart, if it was up to the current Iracing standards. It would provide perfect practice for karting outside of the track, saving expenses...would love to see them implement a kart in the furture!
Given all the different chassis designs on the market for kart racing, it would be a far cry from providing the "perfect practice"..... Every chassis design has it's own unique characteristics. If you're stuck with a Rotax DD2 in iRacing, it's going to be completely useless for someone that runs, say, a Phantom ReCon or Ultramax Rival. It would even be useless for someone running something like the Coyote Free Roller.
I meant chassis wise, as they are pretty similar. But just getting practice with the race line and feel of the tires, or anything. It saves tires for when you actually have to race. and yeah, if you normally race something that noone has every heard of, it is tougher to practice, but if they just had something like an X30 kart, it would be a great help, even if the engine is different the feel of the chassis throughout different engines is similar, not the same, but anything karting wise at iracing standards is much better than everything else, cause you can't really fell much.@@aaronthomas6155
The RM-1 was actually the first iteration, and later became the Rotax DD2. So while someone could say they are technically different, for all intents and purposes they are the same thing, and the commenters on the original post were still correct :)
Its time to bring it back. They would kill it in Karting. No one has been able to create good experience in Multiplayer and karting. KRP is fun but organizing an MP session is nearly impossible. Kart Kraft, has lost its way integrating Sierra karts instead of digging into the work of actual asphalt sprint race karting. And Rfactors offering is light at best. Iracing could open up an entirely new customer base with a kart offering. AS this video said, and I agree, Karting is the most prolific motorsport there is. Seems like a no brainer to give this a second shot.
With dozens of different chassis types and designs and the unique characteristics of each, as well as all the variables to consider, it's a monumental task to get a go-kart racing sim even remotely accurate. You also have to figure out who you're going to alienate. If you follow KartKraft's lead, you're going to alienate most US go-kart racers since Rotax isn't nearly as common in the US as it is in the UK. Sure, it'd be fun, but sprint kart drivers in the US would see zero benefit from it. If you add US sprint karts, you'd alienate Rotax racers in the UK....who would see zero benefit from it. To do go-karts properly, you'd have to devote hundreds of thousands of man hours to collecting tens of thousands of data points to cover every possible variable for every chassis type.
@@DJYeeJay i see it too . thanks for all the info on the karts though . have you ever heard about drag racing coming . Nim Cross even confirmed a few years ago in a twitch chat that drag racing was being researched . and not to long after that cruz pedragon was doing some stuff on iracing
@@rezz0lootink203 If drag racing ever came to iRacing, that would be the sickest stuff ever. No idea how they would do timing & scoring well keeping fallible internet connections in mind, but I hope that's something they'd be able to figure out and not have it all go the way of the kart.
You know it would be a fun freebie in exchange for the high buy in price. If they just made you buy a kart and gave you all the tracks I’d be good with it. Buy all the tracks though? Probably not.
karts weigh between 1 and 2 times that of the driver. this makes karting extremely physical with your body doing much of the work, similar to a motorcycle. i think it's probably really difficult to adapt the physics and controls that work so well for heavy cars to do karts well without major changes.
@@Derek_Anderline When I stopped racing in 2002, I was running Lite Stock. I weighed 185lbs. Class weight spec was 305lbs. I usually scaled around 310lbs. I ran a 1998 Phantom Banshee Champions Edition with full bodywork. Like you, I definitely weighed more than my go-kart. However, when I ran the Champ Kart in 2000, the class weight was 420lbs and I weighed 185lbs. So, had I scaled at the proper weight for the class, the go-kart would have weighed 235lbs. So, the kart and class is going to make a difference in whether he's right about weight. Running a 1/8th mile dirt track in an off-set sprint kart is far more physically demanding than running a 3/10th mile paved oval in a Champ Kart.....
Dirt karts would be a nice addition and a lot easier to make over road karts the tracks are so much smaller karts a lot more simple to understand has its difficulty’s but nothing to a road kart
the only sad part about the potential of adding karting is the fact that me an Oval Kart racer will probably never get that kind of attention in a sim like this (especially dirt oval karting like I mostly do)
this is also despite the fact that (especially with the bigger dirt ovals that are on iracing) there are dirt go kart ovals right next to them quite often, but without an oval kart they would never be scanned even if these dirt tracks got newly scanned or rescanned
I'm not sure if the NDA is still in effect and enforceable so in that being. You couldn't call me a liar if I were to say that I may or may not have been the guy responsible for figuring a way to identify and then nail that leaking a-holes hind-end to the wall. Actually Alpha testing was one of if not the most rewarding experiences I've had sim racing. Also everybody from Iceland can wheel a car like there's no tomorrow. Seriously it's like the whole island is inhabited by nothing but Mario Andretti's.
I sooo wish iRacing would come up with proper kart racing category, with real chassis flex, set ups, and everything. I drive rental 4 stroke AND Rotax 2 stroke racing karts - and tried most of the mods and games available - and pretty much all of them are complete garbage. The closest I managed to get is the FIA F4 on iRacing - which is very similar in feel to the 2-stroke karts dynamics from handling perspective. It's funny to think - how much info goes into developing a proper kart-racing-sim. many things are very different from conventional cars (also the possible setups available for pro kart racing).
