Irish Civil War: Fratricide in the Free State 

Oh it must be coming shortly

The horror of a dirty weekend with Nigel Farage!

I said the same to myself. This series here could be a 6 or 7 part series including the troubles.

Hey, i live in you

To be sure to be sure

I mean, don’t get me wrong. It’s bad. But World War Two included the Holocaust and Imperial Japan…

@@--enyo-- what makes a Civil War worse is that it's not a fight against an invading enemy but against your fellow countrymen And if you think genocide on the level of the Holocaust doesn't happen in a civil war... Well just go look up Rwandan Civil War and Genocide , Liberian Civil War, Cambodian Civil War and genocide, the Yugoslavia Civil War, the Chinese Civil War and the Cultural revolution which might as well have been a civil war.... You're forced to fight against people who were once your friends and neighbours, who had the same culture and spoke the same language WW2 at least we could distinguish who the good guys were and who that bad guys were... In a Civil War... It's not that easy

@@cyborgchicken3502 same goes for the insurgents in the Middle East, they blend in with the “peaceful” population and cloudy the ROE.

The Irish civil war consisted of cousins and even in some cases Brothers fighting on opposite sides, many of the soldiers on both sides were world war one veterans, suffering post traumatic stress disorder ,unable to go back to civilian life, many needed a blood lust , (many civilians killed in crossfire) even the black and tans were criminals or post traumatic stress world war one veterans,

"what's so civil, about war"

I thought he already covered those guys on Biographics?

The reason Dev wasn't shot was actually because he was hardly involved, he never fired a shot. Of the hundreds rounded up, his name was so far down the list that he didn't warrant shooting. Countess Markievich came closer to execution because she was actually involved. The Brits decided only to shoot the main guys. It actually had nothing to do with his passport

Like most of the time though as in this case the truth definitely isn't black and white

Schools have an infuriating habit of glazing over inconvenient stories. I live in a liberal part of Washington state and they routinely ignore the fact that natives owned slaves becsuse that muddies the waters and broke the clean good vs evil & white vs non white version of slavery, they ignored mistreatment of Chinese and other workers in cities like Seattle since Seattle is supposed to be a liberal mecca, and they largely ignored previous exploration of the pacific northwest before Lewis and Clark since that ruins the myth that Lewis and Clark more or less discovered our state.

I have been studying this period and find Simon’s 3 videos on this period are great! Very well researched, with great detail. Thank you Simon. And you are right, the “ballsing up” of the British went a long way toward assuring Irish independence.

That's a statement just crying out for correction. As with every country there are a myriad of beliefs on every subject. Your comment is just feeding into stereotypes and is in itself a trite cliche.

A more American statement has never been uttered... By an Irishman.

You know what you want, what the good men and women of Ireland initially fought for. Quit that defeatist mentality.

We don't know what we want? It's very clear what we wanted: a united and independent Ireland. What are you referring to exactly?

Speak for yourself, an United Ireland is what we want and what we will get, soon.

You're welcome. Thanks for watching.

Not that hard ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q4h8XTRj6Oc.html

I’d like to read that.

There is another lesser known Micheal Collins movie which stars Brendan Gleeson as Collins... Some what ironic as he played the 2nd in command to Collins in the Liam Neeson movie and Gleeson actually does look a LOT more like Collins in his movie than leeson did.

@@Kickback-dm7zt do you know the name of said movie I would really like to check that out. The best actor in the movie was... Dammit I can remember his name but he played Hans in Die Hard he looked just like the historical figure he was portraying

@@OverTheTop85 Alan Rickman was the actor .

@@OverTheTop85 The film is "The Treaty". The best of all the films about the Irish War of Independence is "The Wind that Shakes the Barley".

@@stephendeane7509 thank you sir I will be checking both of those out. I enjoy history more than Anything. It's my lifeblood

maybe but far too glib A less glib explanation for the Civil War can be read in the view of a founder members of the Irish Republican Brotherhood in 1923 The victory of shin fein by Patrick Sarsfield O’Hegarty The men of 1916 were idealists’ men who were in the movement from conviction and not as a result of an emotional wave. Men who had consecrated their lives to Ireland from a sense of duty and patriotism their leaders would never have agreed to the beastly things that were done afterwards. The men of 1918 to 1921 were different they included for the first time the gunman the irresponsible and immoral degenerate people whose nationalism was founded neither in knowledge or conviction and was in the parrot cry of; The Republic! They included a proportion of men who had not been out in 1916 and afterwards wished they had and thought they had to be violent and extreme to make up for their failure as they saw it and they looked down on the 1916 men as amateurs and bunglers. Then the 1922 men came along as a third layer they had not been out before that and wished they had. They were the product of years of war and moral loosening we had had. They looked down on all their predecessor’s as babes and when they themselves got going they made them look like babes. We have been living under military terrorism in which the civilian government existed as it means of registering decrees and under which every argument save the gun was eliminated.

That would be interesting. Filopino-American war. Forgotten to time. Much like the Puerto Rican Rebellion of 1950.

correction, the America never fought a war against the Philippines. America just put down a rebellion in their colony of the Philippines.

@@theawesomeman9821 recorrection America fought a war in the Philippines before they conquered and made it a colony.

@@sinonkryze3638 I'm just saying what historians said went down.

Simon Whistler has given up on correct pronunciation. It's what he's been doing from a few years ago when he had four, maybe five, channels . I watched this video thinking he would cripple pronunciation of the Irish words and of course he did. I gave him one last chance to redeem himself and he bollixed it.

A less glib explanation for the Civil War can be read in the view of a founder members of the Irish Republican Brotherhood in 1923 The victory of shin fein by Patrick Sarsfield O’Hegarty The men of 1916 were idealists’ men who were in the movement from conviction and not as a result of an emotional wave. Men who had consecrated their lives to Ireland from a sense of duty and patriotism their leaders would never have agreed to the beastly things that were done afterwards. The men of 1918 to 1921 were different they included for the first time the gunman the irresponsible and immoral degenerate people whose nationalism was founded neither in knowledge or conviction and was in the parrot cry of; The Republic! They included a proportion of men who had not been out in 1916 and afterwards wished they had and thought they had to be violent and extreme to make up for their failure as they saw it and they looked down on the 1916 men as amateurs and bunglers. Then the 1922 men came along as a third layer they had not been out before that and wished they had. They were the product of years of war and moral loosening we had had. They looked down on all their predecessor’s as babes and when they themselves got going they made them look like babes. We have been living under military terrorism in which the civilian government existed as it means of registering decrees and under which every argument save the gun was eliminated.

A less glib explanation for the Civil War can be read in the view of a founder members of the Irish Republican Brotherhood in 1923 The victory of shin fein by Patrick Sarsfield O’Hegarty The men of 1916 were idealists’ men who were in the movement from conviction and not as a result of an emotional wave. Men who had consecrated their lives to Ireland from a sense of duty and patriotism their leaders would never have agreed to the beastly things that were done afterwards. The men of 1918 to 1921 were different they included for the first time the gunman the irresponsible and immoral degenerate people whose nationalism was founded neither in knowledge or conviction and was in the parrot cry of; The Republic! They included a proportion of men who had not been out in 1916 and afterwards wished they had and thought they had to be violent and extreme to make up for their failure as they saw it and they looked down on the 1916 men as amateurs and bunglers. Then the 1922 men came along as a third layer they had not been out before that and wished they had. They were the product of years of war and moral loosening we had had. They looked down on all their predecessor’s as babes and when they themselves got going they made them look like babes. We have been living under military terrorism in which the civilian government existed as it means of registering decrees and under which every argument save the gun was eliminated.

No he's just a **** **** A less glib explanation for the Civil War can be read in the view of a founder members of the Irish Republican Brotherhood in 1923 The victory of shin fein by Patrick Sarsfield O’Hegarty The men of 1916 were idealists’ men who were in the movement from conviction and not as a result of an emotional wave. Men who had consecrated their lives to Ireland from a sense of duty and patriotism their leaders would never have agreed to the beastly things that were done afterwards. The men of 1918 to 1921 were different they included for the first time the gunman the irresponsible and immoral degenerate people whose nationalism was founded neither in knowledge or conviction and was in the parrot cry of; The Republic! They included a proportion of men who had not been out in 1916 and afterwards wished they had and thought they had to be violent and extreme to make up for their failure as they saw it and they looked down on the 1916 men as amateurs and bunglers. Then the 1922 men came along as a third layer they had not been out before that and wished they had. They were the product of years of war and moral loosening we had had. They looked down on all their predecessor’s as babes and when they themselves got going they made them look like babes. We have been living under military terrorism in which the civilian government existed as it means of registering decrees and under which every argument save the gun was eliminated.

+1 for a few Biographics episodes on De 'Valera, Collins etc.

Would love that but I hope they don’t stop here and go onto the troubles

@@ianmoore3470 as an ex defences forces member (62nd Res MP Coy) I love videos on the military history of my country.... Please continue with videos like this. 🙏🙏🙏🙏👍👍👍👍

@Val O'Connell that’s a fair point actually I didn’t consider it, it’s gotten a lot more contentious lately so I can definitely see the merits of that

There is definitely room for improvement in that area, maybe have a person of whichever nation he is covering (obviously Irish this case) go through the places and people's names. It would just lift the production to yet another level.

This is not his first instance of mispronouncing Irish words

Well, I'm not going to defend the US education system because its pretty shocking by all accounts, but in this case to be fair, why would the Irish war of independence be covered in US schools? I mean the US war of independence isn't exactly covered in our schools, why would it be?

Very good but completely disregard his pronunciation of Irish name and place names.

*3000 men not 500

I'd watch it

​@@theawesomeman9821 Already made.

Mick Colllins gave Ireland independance for sure. Not only did he mastermind the campaighn however nasty. He knew when to talk,having made his point. In short,he knew what made us tick.

Does he? A less glib explanation for the Civil War can be read in the view of a founder members of the Irish Republican Brotherhood in 1923 The victory of shin fein by Patrick Sarsfield O’Hegarty The men of 1916 were idealists’ men who were in the movement from conviction and not as a result of an emotional wave. Men who had consecrated their lives to Ireland from a sense of duty and patriotism their leaders would never have agreed to the beastly things that were done afterwards. The men of 1918 to 1921 were different they included for the first time the gunman the irresponsible and immoral degenerate people whose nationalism was founded neither in knowledge or conviction and was in the parrot cry of; The Republic! They included a proportion of men who had not been out in 1916 and afterwards wished they had and thought they had to be violent and extreme to make up for their failure as they saw it and they looked down on the 1916 men as amateurs and bunglers. Then the 1922 men came along as a third layer they had not been out before that and wished they had. They were the product of years of war and moral loosening we had had. They looked down on all their predecessor’s as babes and when they themselves got going they made them look like babes. We have been living under military terrorism in which the civilian government existed as it means of registering decrees and under which every argument save the gun was eliminated.

I LOVE the earnestness expressed here! The heartfelt meaning comes across in the view so well! It IS depraved whenever people take up War to such an extent that “the cause” is lost in the joy (?) of fighting. And hosting civil war in the middle of two so-called World Wars would demoralize, traumatize & leave any nation or segment of one caught in the crossfires irreparably cynical, hardened, bitter & logically-so. YET the Irish people are nearly always, in the context of the USA-concept, the MOST willing, most spirited, & most generously-inclined to speak up, speak out, & put a stop to all nonsense (for the longest duration) MORE than ANY grouping of White people yet landed in The Americas region. More heart, we call it, generally-speaking. THANKS so much for everything you’ve shared yourself! I found the vlog informed-yet-glib personally, too.☘️ I also found that in an obvious thrust to appeal to a male demograph, (no pun intended) typically, women’s & families’ stories weren’t given honorable mention whatsoever. What about the Irish married to Brits? What about schools & who taught there after these skirmishes? How were children growing up in occupied territories impacted psychologically? How many yearn to live abroad & feel a LOT less “connected” to either side, one way or the other? Did ANY government DO anything especially to restore these families, outside veterans’ burials?? ALL of those matters deserved some explanation in the context of War, imo, as an Area of Activity taken up entirely too often, said to “resolve” matters. Or out of sheer greed. Or the sheer depravity for “conquest,” & exerting power. Power ungrounded in anything logical, more often than not. Be Blessed. Many thinks. 💚🌱

Well he's hired to commentate. But insanely talented at that! His delivery is unmatched

and to Brexit and the hard border returning

We still have the prequels to look forward to

Fee-anna Foyle, in my Munster accent.

WoW! He was only recently President. How were you allowed to do that in 1960?

@@johnnotrealname8168 He was the President from 1959 - 73. Is this recent?

@karolw.5208 "He was only recently President." Check my tense.

You all talk as if Richard Mulcahy never existed. Collins wasn't the only one.

Just letting you know,dont know if you know this,but its fact.Michael Collins was shot dead by an ex British army sniper ,ex RIC man who defected to the IRA,strange world.

What a war lover ! HoHo,some people won't like you. They don't like the Brits.

Its a load of myth Collins had it right.The IRA had next to no munitions. The Brits had so many they were throwing them in the sea and did so for the next twenty years. 'British Empire on its Knees' - Yeah Right, Even The Germans did not manage that and they werre a worthy enemy.

You'd need a Brit for that,maybe not a second or third generation Irishman who has become one.

@@philiprufus4427 erm what?

I absolutely detest Dev, but you need to realise that the attitude you are describing wasn't just one that Dev had, there were many in Ireland who wanted that and who saw any concessions given to the British (one of the most important ones being the oath of allegiance to the King) as being a slight on all those who had been killed, there was an absolute hatred for the British, one which survives to this day among many anti-treaty side and supporters who are still alive today. When I was in school here in Ireland (over 20 years ago) I had to volunteer for a week in an old folks home as part of my secondary school curriculum, there was a woman in there whose brother (or brothers I can't remember) were murdered by the British, when she heard the English accent of the girl who was volunteering also she point blank refused to speak to her or even interact with her in any way, because she was English.

Murdered by the British ? as opposed to being executed (murdered) by The IRA terrible. @@eoincaomhanach1983

Excellent film portrayal of the times

Utter nonsense.

@@David-cb1ct First of all, he didn't defeat the British empire. British public opinion forced the British government to call a ceasefire. If Collins was the glorious victor you describe then how was Lloyd-George able to bully him into signing the Anglo-Irish treaty under threat of all out war? Collins himself said it was tantamount to signing his own death warrant which meant he was more afraid of the British taking the gloves off than he was of being killed by his own people. Also, why would a victorious leader be taking orders from Winston Churchill? After all, he did send Collins a telegram telling him to get the anti treaty IRA out of the Four Courts or he would come over and do it for him. Collins duly complied because he knew Churchill had 100000 troops on stand by to reoccupy the whole of Ireland if necessary. All Collins achieved is what had been offered to Ireland prior to WWI, home rule. Nothing else.

Sorry David but he didn't defeat anyone...his picture hung in my Nans front room. As in most successful partisan campaigns, his actions made continued war unpalatable for the British govt of the day, at huge cost. Short of marching into someone's burning capital and wiping the floor with their armies, real defeat is rare. Asymmetrical resolution, favouring the side with the stronger hand is the norm, in terms of historical precedent.

Think you find that the Boers revolutionised guerrilla warfare.

@@David-cb1ct on noticing your previous posts to ppl stating glaring errors in your assessment and to answer your first rude assumption - unlike yourself I am v educated and wasn’t being pedantic at all, stating fact. I am well versed in all military history, so pls come back to me when you have formed your own opinion and not ripped it from Wikipedia.

His father was a Portuguese Jew.

I thought most of the country was pro-treaty anyway.

It was here's what one of the founding members of the IRB thought in 1923 The victory of shin fein by Patrick Sarsfield O’Hegarty The men of 1916 were idealists’ men who were in the movement from conviction and not as a result of an emotional wave. Men who had consecrated their lives to Ireland from a sense of duty and patriotism their leaders would never have agreed to the beastly things that were done afterwards. The men of 1918 to 1921 were different they included for the first time the gunman the irresponsible and immoral degenerate people whose nationalism was founded neither in knowledge or conviction and was in the parrot cry of; The Republic! They included a proportion of men who had not been out in 1916 and afterwards wished they had and thought they had to be violent and extreme to make up for their failure as they saw it and they looked down on the 1916 men as amateurs and bunglers. Then the 1922 men came along as a third layer they had not been out before that and wished they had. They were the product of years of war and moral loosening we had had. They looked down on all their predecessor’s as babes and when they themselves got going they made them look like babes. We have been living under military terrorism in which the civilian government existed as it means of registering decrees and under which every argument save the gun was eliminated. @@johnnotrealname8168

@@freebeerfordworkers The Irish Republican Brotherhood indeed rarely represented the majority of Irishmen.

I agree I'm quite surprised that you're able to read the post everything else I've put challenging his presentation has been deleted within minutes. I'm beginning to hate the guy for example, and when the London saw Collins Constitution they **** their pants. How about when they saw he had torn up everything they spent 6 months thrashing out to put in the treaty they said stop messing about keep to the agreement.@@johnnotrealname8168

Looking at it again I would say in 1914 they certainly did not represent the majority of Irishmen but it could be said with this case they did or he did. As you posted the majority of Irishmen were in favour of the treaty because they wanted to get on with their lives as much as anything@@johnnotrealname8168

The 'Year of The French,' their officers got entertained in Dublin and Sent Home. The Rebels Got Executed.

Wind that shakes the barley is better and more accurate. Michael Collins is full of inaccuracies.

Now that really is bollox, a lot of proffesional mercenarys being shot down in a pub by a bunch of civvies. Not one watching the door in a hostile environement. I would be dead today sonny.

Those who committed the atrocities were either on the government side then and/or dead now. Similar to Spain.