Is 1440p60 Performance Upscaling More Realistic Than 4K60 For Consoles? 

It blows me away why consoles dont use 1440p 60 fps as standard. On Pc I prefer 1440p 120 fps than 4K 60 fps. No point to go so high in resolution.

Yes 1440p fsr quality-balanced

1440p 60fps is what we need. Any attempts in 4K should be reserved only for those few people with 4090s, but even then DLSS is sometimes required. But 1440p is a GOAT !

I would love if 40fps became the standard for quality mode

Silky smooth 25-30 fps (with judder) in crystal clear 720p full of upscaling artefacts. That'll be 120 dollars + cosmetics + tip

1440p at 60fps still looks better than 4k at 30fps.

I made a point a few years ago that the push to 4k resolutions from High definition was too big of a jump for games consoles, In terms of hardware that’s cost effective. Instead we have options for a “sudo” 4K experience that offers quantity over quality using upscaling features. I always wondered why 2K or 1440p wasn’t an option in consoles until this last generation.

4K is utterly ridiculous vs 1440p with regards to GPU power requirements vs performance/quality - precisely 'ZERO' graphically demending games should be targeting 4K on consoles. The graphical quality improvements 1440p allows vs trying to run 4K (for the marketing buzz term) is STAGGERING, as is the quality/performance loss trying to run 4K vs 1440p.

Resolution growth obsession is so weird to me. 1080p still looks great. Does it look AS good as 1440p or 2160p? No, but their existence doesn't suddenly make 1080p this unacceptable low-res setting lol. I see this on folks getting upset their AMD cards aren't performing RayTracing well enough at 2K compared to Nvidia Like... dude just drop it to 1080p it's still gonna look great haha.

if a game gets a steady 1440p 60fps i am happy.

I'm confused by this answer. If the game isn't running natively at 1440p, and I have a 4K screen, why would I want to scale sub-1440p->1440p (FSR)->4K (bilinear), instead of sub-1440p to 4K using FSR directly?

Ask Alex if he likes the way Stellar Blade looks in 1440P 60fps

Did Colin Robinson ask this question when he was a baby?

It's TV resolution that's the issue so the consoles output 4k res no matter what making the 1440p FSR image looks pretty bad when the console upscales it to 4k. If they allowed it to be output natively at 1440p for monitor users, that would be great.

Man... I would take 1080p 60fps anytime over 30fps unless we're talking about a movie game like Hellblade.

I dont understand the problem with 1080p or 1440p they both look stunning to me with 60 fps for that buttery silky smooth experience thats the sweet spot for me

Is the sky blue? Can a donkey eat strawberries? Does Dolly Parton sleep on her back? Is a frog’s anus watertight? The real question is, will developers start making smart decisions?

Yes, especially since it's a resolution meant specifically for gaming.

Sometimes on PC I'll do questionable things like set it to fullscreen, 1800p, and then use FSR2 (or 3) or XeSS and then use driver level RSR to get that output resolution to 4k. Honestly it usually turns out pretty OK given I'm playing on a PC on my TV. I can get an image that's pretty close to FSR2 balanced (1270p) or performance (I think FSR2 balanced at 1800p is something like 1050p) that runs a bit faster and looks quite similar. Of course, in some games running borderless fullscreen in itself seems to run faster than traditional fullscreen for whatever reason, so it can be a wash. I still don't know what the "biased" mode in Avatar's PC release does in terms of upscaling. I have a 4K TV, run in borderless windowed and do FSR3 balanced to get a 40fps experience on my card, but turning on biased just also seems to lower performance without noticeably increasing visual quality lol.

I recently used DRS in Witcher 3 on a 6950XT running at 3440x1440p and for some reason i feel that framerate limit does not work. The game was running at high fps but resolution was horrible like sub 800p for sure. I wonder why. Turned off DRS and used XeSS (instead of FSR 2) and game looks great.

I remember when they said the Series S was suposed to be a 1440p machine 😂😂😂

I would love Dragons Dogma 2 at 1440p 60fps on the PS5 Pro is IT possible?

I just dont really understand why developers are okay with releasing their games with such awful performance issues. It just feels like it makes more sense to me to focus first on getting 60fps, and making sacrifices to graphic fidelity. Like I would rather have a lower detailed gameworld, no ray-tracing, etc. if it meant a smooth 60fps experience.

Yes, next question

Yes. Saved you all almost 7 minutes of waffling.

Of course it is. 4K just sounds better for marketing.

If you have a small monitor or tv 1440p is crisp. 4k is essential for massive sets

Now a better question: 1440p on a native screen or 4k with DLSS BALANCED on 4k screen?

1080 and above looks just fine.

Upscaling is getting awesome. Hell yes

It’d be great if Sony OLEDs could do 1440p in Game Mode…

Yes, saturn launch please.

This obsession with how shiny the graphics look rather than how well optimised they are AND a complete lack of using the tech we have with current consoles and PCs to actually delve into creating more interactive game worlds, better AI, better physics etc. I'd much rather a more dense and smart game world than a slightly more shiny game world.

crazy that an energy vampire is a DF fan

comin in with a take that i know is gonna be hella unpopular lol, but honestly i dont even think console games ought to be targeting 1440p60 most of the time. so much of the power of this generation of systems is just being put towards what's essentially cleaning up the slightly messy visual aspects of last gen. we're getting games at 4k that, sure enough, just look like ps4 games at a higher res. we're getting games at 60fps that could've done so much to push the envelope if they ran at 30 instead. there's def games that need 60fps no doubt, but i really think if games this gen more often targeted 1080p - 1440p at 30fps, games would be feeling far more fresh, and the ps5 would feel less like a ps4 double pro. real quick edit actually, i saw comments about the possibility of making 40fps more common, and i really do wish we were seeing more of that this gen. that would make for a nice compromise, allowing for improved smoothness while still leaving plenty of room for enhancements elsewhere. i think my whole thing is, if i want 4k60 on a game i can play it on my pc. id prefer consoles be pushed to really do something that hadnt been done before, not just retread old ground at higher settings.

I was thinking about that years ago.... finally someone talks about it for real.... From 1080, which was not in all games true1080p. A jump in one generation to 4k, sorry to much promise.

PoS5, struggles to hit 1440P/60 Much more doable on the Xbox, and with VRR it’s pretty good.

yes

Ive always thought that 1440p native or upscaled should be the standard for these consoles. It’s a good sweet spot for the hardware these consoles have. You’d actually be able to Ray trace at a high quality along with having good graphical quality in other areas. Games would ACUALLY look next gen. These consoles are NOT really built for anything over 1440p. Leave that to the pro versions of the consoles.

I'm glad , i ddint buy a 4k monitor .

could just be me but games need to do 120fps, wasn't 120 the big selling point for getting a the ps5/xbox series x ?

Always was

Before people move the goalpost as soon as the switch 2 drops and 1440p suddenly isn't good enough anymore because Nintendo is doing it, I'll say this. 4k60 on ps5 and series X is realistic and should absolutely be the standard for Quality Mode. QHD (1440p) at 60/120fps should be the target for Performance Mode in most games. And the reason the two consoles are not hitting those targets is not because they lack the power, but because devs/publishers don't care enough about optimization anymore or lack the time to. If your game is internally rendering at 1440p, why are you wasting time loading 4k assets instead of 2k or lower? If your game is rendering at 1080p and upscaling to 1440p, why are you wasting time loading 2k assets instead of FHD or lower. And so on.

Games on consoles are often running at sub 1080p so 1440p is too big of an ask for most titles.

I’m fine with 1080p

Ill take 1440p at 60 or 120fps anyday over 4K

1440p60fps for ps5 should be native. For ps6 1440p120fps native or 4k 60

1440p 60fps is very nice experience on monitors. Not sure how that experience translates to a 4k TV.

1440p is where it's at

They never should have pushed 4k for consoles.

4080super here, 2k oled 27inch or 4k oled 32inch 😩is my 4080S worthy of 4k 60fps?

1440p 40fps up is still better in many cases then 4k30 imo

People here do not understand graphics. There's a difference between visuals and resolution. Higher frames at lower resolution has better visuals than lower frames at higher resolution. Frames has to do with visuals. A 1440p at 60frames looks better than 4k at 30 frames. People are telling me im wrong. I don't think they understand what graphics, visuals and resolutions mean.

How the fuck can we still not run shit at 4k properly in 2024💀💀

What systems are Game Developers producing their games for? The consoles feature KNOWN hardware, so why aren't companies developing their games to run 'well' on the current generation consoles?

Bruh most current gen AAA games seem to be targeting 720p 30 fps on $500 consoles.

The ps4 pro ran wolfenstein at 2K 60. Are you saying we had to wait 7 years to only get faster loading times?

I honestly think around 1440p is a perfectly fine spot to sit at even on PC with an upscale at the end for most people currently. Ray tracing, object count and texture resolution in general is still going to have a more notable visual benefit to folk than a minor but extreme bump in pixel counts. We aren't in a pre hd era anymore, even at 1080p I can see someone hiding in a bush across the map in most games and even more so at 1440p, wasting processing time on pointless pixels seems pointless.

90% of console gamers don’t care about resolution numbers.

Since most gaming tvs are 120hz, ehy companies are not targeting a 40fps mode wich will be a lot smoother then 30 and the frame pacing is compatible with 120hz

None of these consoles can do native 4k let alone 60fps 😂

It is dumb that consoles output at 4k and downscale instead of native 1440p. My OLED TV has a great processor and makes 1440p look so good that at regular viewing distance it is hard to distinguish 1440 from 4k.

Consoles target 720p and use upscaling to 1440p or 4k. The only games hitting 1440p were last gen games like horizon, gow, and forza horizen. The 30fps cap is already starting and will only get worse.

I have noticed todays devs are so lazy, they dont really embrace 1440p with 60 fps. 1440p should be the absolute sweet spot for consoles.

Never understood why consoles jumped the 2k resolution

8k at 24fps

Man fuck 4k 3200x1800 is where it's at and this resolution needs more love.

Let's first get games on console to run at an absolute minimum of a locked native 1080p 60fps at maximum PC settings across all games before we worry about higher resolutions

1080p 60fps or 1440p 40fps seems more realistic

I think these videos should be titled a bit differently. Most of the titles are questions that can be answered with either a "yes" or "no", and as someone who is up to date on both you guys and the industry, I can pretty well guess what the answer is and I don't feel the need to even click on the video. Perhaps something more thought provoking? Or even pointed? "1440p60fps is more realistic for current-gen consoles than 4k60". That would tell me what the topic is, and I would click the video to see you guys' often nuanced and helpful comments on the matter.

Native resolution is all that matters. These trash consoles cant barely hit 1080 native 60fps in most games.

Games look worse now then they did in 2015-2018. Games have more issues that cant be solved by nuking resolution and graphics

1080p standard and more detailed graphics, we are focusing too much in resolution!

If even a 3080 struggles with 4K 60 fps on your average AAA game and that card is like 5 times more powerful than a PS5 and SX in raw rasterization metrics these consoles can barely even do 1080p 60 fps if we're being honest. Only a 4080 and above can deliver a native 4K 60 fps on the big AAA games. The PS5 Pro is greatly surpassed by even a 3060

when i play on ps5, i always pin the trophy list on the side so that when i play on perf mode, the display resolution is closer to the output resolution. 4k30 sucks ass

No games should target 4K 60 FPS at minimum. And 4K 30 if 4K60 isnt possible. If you want to play 1440P go get a PC, i play console for a reason.