Is a Carli Suspension Torsion Sway Bar Worth It?? Carli VS Stock Sway Bar 

Uncle Sam yes please do the J2804 tests! Please!

I'm currently in the middle of a 3000 mile trip with a Lance 2612 toy hauler. 2020 Ram 3500, carli pintop, all the options. 37 inch toyo RT on 17 inch AEV wheels. Drives great. Even crossing Wyoming in that nasty wind. I did remove the FWC grandby for this trip. Weighed in at 19,000 lbs.

Dick, is that something you had to add with the Thuren system? I was thinking about purchasing the Thuren Sway bar is why I ask

I’m on 3” system running 35” Toyo RT’s

We appreciate the feedback towing with this sway bar!

What kind of issue can you run into running a sway bar and towing?

And they ride awesome. 😀

Sway concerns with Camper Mounted?

@@georgebateman4918 nope... non at all. FWC Grandby is a pop up. Keeps my center of gravity very low.

Appreciate the support! It’s definitely a big difference from just one bolt on part!

Appreciate the support! It’s definitely a big difference from just one bolt on part!

Basically what's happening is a stiff sway bar doesn't allow the one side of the axle to travel up independently of the other. As a result, hitting a one sided bump pushes the suspension up, encounters the stiff sway bar, and then transfers that energy directly to the cab throwing you side to side. With a softer rate sway bar, that one sided hit pushes up, deflects the sway bar spring rate, and allows the suspension to move without the energy being transferred to the cab. The stiffer the bar, the more it transfers a one sided impact to the truck. Picking that perfect spring rate for the bar is a very delicate balance though since it can't be so soft that it allows the truck to wallow and lean on corners, which is where the truck body weight itself influences the suspension.

yeah that was exactly my question.

The door is 8 feet tall and the truck comes in around 7 feet.

Is not a power wagon

It’s coming finally!

@@CJCOffRoad No way?! I thought they were only doing the 4.5” Torsion Sway Bar for the 11-16’s? They are now doing the leveling?

Dude you won’t be disappointed you Cant get any better and Carli has life time warranty I know what your talking about as I am a pipeliner.

We have a ton of customers that use these systems to build some pretty crazy welding rigs. It can definitely be done, and there’s nothing more capable for driving lease roads and getting to the job. Shoot us an email and we can show you some welding rigs with Carli suspension on them.

I have about 70k on the back country on my 2016 dually, just put 10k on this month hauling equipment. It takes a beating daily and have never had a problem. Definitely the best of the best. I also take it into the mountains with no issue.

Better get rid of that sa250 if youre gunna be talkin crap💀😂

Sadly neither brand would like that since they are direct competitors. Think of it like an IOS vs Android debate, both make a great product that’s basically in a playing field of its own compared to the rest of the competition. Just go with whatever brand you like best!

CJC Off Road fair answer without saying much that helps a lot, thank you and very understandable.

There already are! You can get them at both Carli lift heights.

This sway bar is a slightly lighter rate than factory so it's goal is to improve articulation, compliance, and comfort in the cab. This isn't a stiff sway bar that ruins ride in favor of completely stopping rocking, which is what you'll find from HD sway bars like hellwig etc. Ultimately they serve different purposes. If you want to carry an in bed camper, this isn't the sway bar for you, but if you want to improve ride, drive your truck like a sports car, and smooth out off road driving, this is the way to go. Hopefully that helps!

This one wasn't available with it from the factory with the color, so we had no choice, but it's absolutely cheaper to order it from the factory with it.

Both brands actually use an identical spring rate for the center torsion bar, so ride in the cab is completely identical. Carli's sway bar does use higher quality steel, frame brackets, bushings and end links, but that also comes along with a higher price tag. If bang for your buck is the goal, go with the Thuren sway bar as it offers the same ride for less money. If you want the best possible materials and build, then go Carli as they do take the win in that category.

Thank you

No, power wagons have a sway bar disconnect

We’ll probably film it this upcoming week. We had to finalize trimming after some driving time first.

Likely these. www.bajadesigns.com/products/Dodge-Ram-2500-3500-Big-Horn-19-On-FPK-Kits.asp

@@Daniel-gf1zj yes, exactly, but what about this plastic frame?

We’ll have that as a new kit on the website in about a week or so! We’ll drop another video explaining the whole set up too.

@@CJCOffRoad Ok, thanks

The Carli sway bar is essentially the best of both worlds. It flexes like no sway bar, but controls high speed body roll really well. For testing purposes we’ve run all of our shop trucks with no sway bar, but the Carli TSB just adds that little extra bit on confidence in high speed situations without taking away from the ride anywhere else.

These new 19+ trucks don’t have the issues that the older ones do. They get great fuel economy, and the emissions system is something you never have to think about until the DEF needs to be filled up. All of our trucks back to 2015 run factory emissions and they work great.

CJC Off Road thank you for this response. If the def runs out while you’re on highway though would the truck shut down or do that 5mph crap?

I deleted mine at 5k miles. Youll have less problems with the truck getting rid of the DEF system

Randomchannel how do you reprogram the truck to know it no longer has the DEF component? I ended up getting a hemi btw I couldn’t find a 3rd gen 5.9L that was in great shape and a new diesel was just too expensive.

The sway bar has no impact on towing or payload limits.

This truck has a 100% stock engine and drivetrain 👍

Optimal welding in Canada. Got me tuned and deleted. Love it.

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It would lean to be sloppy steering on the street , the upgraded sway bar five guy a nice in between with the added benefit of gaining clearance for larger tires

It does, so this one will not work. On 19+ Power Wagons, the sway bar is tied into the truck's stability control and electronics, so you will have a check engine/ABS light if you remove it.

We’ll film one this week! Had to finalize trimming with the TSB on

@@CJCOffRoad awesome. Thank you. Did you ever attempt to get in touch with ram directly through Dodge cares to see if the could have added night edition to your mega? I want the olive but would prefer to not have to purchase the individual parts. I'll have to add up the mods you did to make it night...do you recall cost for that? Thanks again. Excited for you and this new truck. You seem so pleased with it. Looking forward to following...I have subscribed. This will be my first truck haha... Always had fast sedans...

Sadly as of the 2020 model year, the Olive Green paint and night edition are not something you can order together. We tried and tried! The up front cost of the night edition parts is around 3k, but keep in mind once you sell your stock parts, you’re only out whatever the difference is. In our case it only ended up costing a few hundred dollars in the end.

@@CJCOffRoad hey weird question... How tall is the tallest point from the ground on this truck? Stock is something like 80 inches, is a 3 inch lift and 38's gonna make it like 85in?

We’re doing exactly that on our shop Mega but starting with the Commuter system! Maybe on a future truck we can do that with a level kit too!

@@CJCOffRoad you can use my truck to showcase!

Here’s a link: www.cjcoffroad.com/GJ-Motorsports-s/2485.htm

We don’t know for sure, but if we had to choose between the two that box brace would be gone!

a Carli 3.25" system. We have a video showing the necessary trimming for 38s.

On a 2019 ram 2500?

No for power wagons it’s either the factory with disconnect, or the Carli full time.

CJC Off Road follow up question, how does the Carli sway bar compare to a Power Wagon sway bar? Would the Carli be an improvement worth the cost? How does it flex in comparison to the Power Wagon sway bar disconnected? Love the videos!

@@chadhill4437 the lockers run through the power wagon sway bar

These are 38/13.5/20 Nitto Ridge Grapplers. 👍

Yep! Carli makes them for 03 to current Ram trucks!

If that kit uses the factory sway bar, then yep! Just put this in place of the factory bar.

CJC Off Road would it still work if the kit uses a drop bracket ?

Tows just fine!

Chris Johnston You might be able to. But you’ll loose the electronic disconnecting ability.

Does your lift kit use sway bar drops longer end links currently?

I did not install a lift kit. I just installed 4” springs/shocks and new aftermarket control arms, track bar and Apex steering links. The Carli sway bar kit I purchased was for 0-3” lift. I assumed I could adjust the heim ends to make up the 1” difference.

Ride quality wise they’re going to be nearly identical!

On a 3500 with a light pop up you’re fine. We’re more referencing larger cab over style camper set ups since they’re top heavy.

@@CJCOffRoad I'm looking at Carli Pintop Levelng kit and was considering the sway bar, but our camper is 3400lbs and on most of the time and 11feet tall :) That sounds like a no go with this Carli sway bar. Is it better to stick with the stock because of the weight and top heaviness? Trying to smooth out the ride, it's painful right now. Thx!

Never mind, found my answer below!

Sadly not at this time!

There’s really no reason to delete these new trucks. Ours is totally stock and we plan to keep it that way!

@@CJCOffRoad thanks! I appreciate the respond. I just honestly want the deep exhaust sound. It’s a 2020 and it’s soooo quiet hahah

Very similar in terms of ride quality, but a slightly different overall design.

The only trucks that get 2 piece props are long bed crew cabs and mega cabs.

This truck is still on the factory 3.73 gears and we're probably going to leave it that way. It actually drives great!

Awesome. Everything from this video applies to the Ford trucks too.

20" trail ready wheels wrapped in 38/13.5.20 Nitto Ridge Grapplers: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/trail-ready-wheels/products/cjc-edition-ram-trail-ready-20-x-9-5-simulated-beadlock-wheel

They do not. Carli is all about the ride quality and a stiffer rate rear sway bar isn’t going to help with that unfortunately.

It will not sadly. Those trucks are leveling kit only for now.

It can, but you give up the sway bar disconnect from the cab.

Yep!

All depends on the camper! If it’s one of the smaller, pop up designs then you’re probably fine, but if it’s a large cab over design then you’ll want the factory sway bar.

@@CJCOffRoad I'm looking at buying a 2500-3000 pound camper in the future. But will only be taking it out once or twice a year (for one week trips). Would you still say I should avoid the sway bar? 2019 F350 (currently stock fx4 but will be Carli with bags sometime this year). Because I really want this sway bar haha

This truck is on a 3.25" Carli system.

It’s the same thing! Smoother in every situation.

Not with this sway bar on a 2.5” or 3” system!

No reason to and they reduce tire clearance. No flaps looks a whole lot cleaner!

CJC Off Road I live in northern Canada and drive on lots of gravel roads mud flaps are a must for me that’s why I asked

37s!

Yes Ram uses just as stiff of a factory sway bar on those trucks!