Is a declining birthrate a blessing or a curse? 

Rich people don’t care they just need our children to become slave workers for them.

Bingo you get it.

That's a good point

Because line must go up on wall street!

It has been this bad and worse in the past. Inflation doesn’t last forever.

So why are they breeding well in dirt poor countries?

Sheep castrating themselves in the name of the wolves.

@@jimbobhaha Good thing I never had a desire to breed any sheep of my own.

Perfectly said. Top marks.

We need to put in place childfree tax. To make having babies more affordable than not to have. Many developed countries is facing pension system collapse soon

@@Always1happy The USSR and Roman empire did it. It had very little effect.

Unless you're a "refugee" 👍😎👌

Absolutely right about that .

Rich people have a lot of children because they can afford it. Also the poor, because they can't afford it. The tragedy is that the class of real working people who create goods and services is dying out. They are educated and smart, but they only earn enough to survive.

@@pawetulski7115 Pass a can't feed 'em don't breed 'em law and hand out Darwin Awards.

bro in subsaharan Africa they have like 6 kids per family on average and are dead broke. The problem with educated people not having is is simply a cultural one. It's too much work for them.

@@pickler_pickler They are broke, but kids are profitable due to subsistence farming.

@@pickler_picklerin Africa they are free labour. In developed nations they are a massive cost. That’s why we are not having children. It would mean a drastic reduction in our ability to survive. I don’t have an extra 100 euros every month never mind 1000 euros. I will never be able to buy my own home, I can not even get a loan to buy a car, never mind a house. The problem with the educated middle class is that they understand the repercussion’s of having children. And the same as any expense, they calculate the cost vs benefits. The poor are stupid and don’t know better and the ultra rich don’t care as it makes no difference to their life. If governments want us to have children, especially millennials, they need to support us. I don’t want free money. I have never taken a dime from the government. I want an environment that makes it easier to have children. Starting with affordable housing. Removing legislation that prevents housing from being build. Remove the powers NIMBYs have. And reduce lead times for permits to be issued. In my country of Germany it’s impossible to build affordable housing,

They don’t care. We are here to birth their slaves in their minds

Exactly. Economists, demographers, etc think women are stupid beasts who will continue, after getting access to birth control, to give birth frequently for some bizarre reason no one understands and are shocked when women don't do that. LOL. They are truly truly stupid!!

@@revoroad1789 then the dad has to pay for it all for if he is lucky the next 18 years.

@@TheRaiderman1 Good, this would teach him a lesson to not reproduce.

With all due respect. Are you people all insane?

But also less money to maintain them.

Workers MUST own and control the means of production.

because of greed

It's collapsing too quickly though. *29%* of Japan is *65+!* A lot of industrialized countries are aging out quickly. If the fertility rate is 1.6 kids per woman, then every generation will be 25% smaller than the previous one, and a lot of countries have a smaller fertility rate.

The population is growing in countries that care about the planet and all ecological issues. Countries that discourage having children due to ecology and high costs are dying out.

Not true it is this thinking that got you here

It could be a manageable if our economic system wasn't a literal ponzi scheme dependant upon perpetual growth to service mounting debts from decades of irresponsible fiscal policy. As it stands now, however, it can and will crash the entire world's economy, which in turn, will likely kill millions more people as wars and famine spread across lesser development countries. Hell, the global system of trade set up after WW2 that basically every country relies on will likely fall apart, making things worse, as it's entirely dependent upon the US Navy's ability to project itself.

@@spnked9516 You people keep talking about money instead of talking about having babies, this is where money is the root of all evil. You are going extinct because of the greed for money.🇺🇸

wow. Clear misunderstanding regarding inverted population pyramids. Lets just say, if youre 30 and under, you'll be changing a lot of diapers in your future employment - adult diapers.

Supposed to go? lol like there's a plan out there that intense to have 50 elderly people in one nursing home for every nurse Great plan

Be the change you want to see and either have loads of kids or delete yourself before you become an old aged burden on the system.

@@notbob8252 So what's wrong with that???

​​​@@notbob8252 As opposed to 50 pregnant woman & 50 newborn babies per nurse? Earth will look for balance . No trend goes on the same way forever . Human beings will adapt accordingly.

Agreed. Less people will be good for the planet. We simply need to adjust our thunking and economy.

We really just need to make sure it happens gradually as it does need to decline. Too steep a decline tho… and it’s going to get VERY ugly before it gets better.

@@Willsmiff1985 I don’t know how you do that. One of the biggest culprits is lack of marriage or even hooking up. Women want men that make more than them and a lot of them make 6 figures. Our whole Mating selection system is out of touch with or roots

@@braxxianyou’re not gonna rethink your way out of having no one left to grow food or provide you with medical care. You’re just gonna die.

I think the smarter women are adjusting. I dated for 27 years after 18 and several were high aceheivers including doctors, executives and scientists. I was college educated making 100k on average and they made much more. A smart hardworking dude can get these women but they will require a prenup if marrige comes up. The young low earner women are the gold diggers. The well off ones don’t care that much within reason. I married a psychologist 1st wife and manager engineer 2nd wife. They both made more than me and enjoyed my wit, intelligence and the unselfishness I displayed. So don’t write them off.

The issue is how to stop shrinkage becoming a cliff.

I just found out the human population back in the 90s was just 5 billion.🫨 Now it's 8 billion!? 🤯

@@Shikuesi maybe once you actually see it declining. It could stop completely for 20 years and we would still have about 3 billion fertile humans to start breeding again. Come on, use your common sense.

There's more of us, but the proportion of *elderly* people is higher than ever before.

We are here to populate the world. You are so illiterate to think the opposite.

Good

Sensational😊

Wonderful!

Outstanding!

What they said ⬆️ 🫶✌️

Worry about the boomer generation that caused all this mess to begin with.

Yep. Old people have had time to get their affairs in order for themselves and have time to vote. Kids aren’t allowed to vote, and young adults are too busy trying to survive to vote, especially if they’ve had even one kid! And so all the policies favor the elderly… 🤦‍♀️

We probably will focus way too much on the elderly in the near future and I can't help be see that as accelerating down a dead end road that ends at a cliff. In the US the elderly already take up more than half of the US federal budget via social security and healthcare. There are noble reasons for this, compassionate reasons, reasons that are easy to understand. But I think that once you understand the scale of fertility collapse and what it entails, it's hard to see this massive investment in the elderly as a prudent use of resources.

@@austinduke8876it’s the same all over the developed world. Countries run by the old. We need to change the voting system. Parents should have 1 extra vote for each child under 18. To represent their interests. It would mean a much fairer society where everyone has a voice.

@@MoDa87 it’d help some things, but all we’d have are richer, non-fertile young people. Until you address the disincentive to breed in the developed world, it doesn’t matter. Babies are a hot potato and SOMEONE will have to hold it. This is really what this is all about: who is gonna do the unpaid work of child rearing?

this is good new

Good. About time supply and demand favored the commoner.

We don't need more woke universities

Europe and East Asia are already seeing it hit hard as so many schools and kindergartens in those 2 regions are closing due to lack of students caused by a steep decline in the number of children in those regions

Great news about universities! Tertiary education has already been dumbed down (at least in places like Australia and Canada) where anyone can get a degree and you cannot fail. Vice chancellors are now on over 1 million per year in salary in Australia. Many universities just take foreign student money and the students can’t even speak English yet somehow graduate with a Masters In Finance or Engineering or nursing. University should only be for the brightest people and courses like Accounting shouldn’t even be taught at university level.

I'm happier now I have kids

Who will love and care for you when you become elderly?

@@CalebKennizzitekids are not your retirement plan and it is usually FEMALE relatives that step up as usual. Maybe the world needs to start appreciating women a bit more.

​@@CalebKennizzitehow many people are in nursing homes dying alone all while having kids!? The majority of them have kids and yet, they're alone. So STFU about this.

@@CalebKennizzite That's no reason to have a child

Japan is developed economy #3, and never took un UE and EU bait.

Even underdeveloped countries are starting to have low fertility rates.

​@@oscarparedes4033We need as 20 year ban only then allow people to have them. Children will grow up and make labor competition so bad even more than now, and they will just be exploited

And has it fixed anything? Has it improved the quality of life for everyone in host countries?

@@edytatehrani3934. The supposed purpose was to lower labor costs while the middle class is phased out from AI and robotics. Then there will be a less questioning lower class that has replaced the aspiring middle class. I hate Marxism but this was class warfare by the elites. They want an international lower class that has no national affiliation for a global economy. They can be moved around as desired.

They obviously don't want to admit that.

Yeah but maybe that’s not the reason. Maybe you may disagree, and feel free to as I’d love to know your perspective, but y’all don’t venture to meet many people outside your social group that you’ve known for years and years. Every Dane I’ve ever met while being intelligent, polite, and overall pretty cool, seemed to not venture to really get to know people as they seemed to already have a set social circle.

@@angelinimartini what does that have to do with the birthrate? And how does that explain the rest of the world’s dropping birth rate? Americans are some of the most outgoing people and their birth rate is dropping too.

@@pollutingpenguin2146 I think that could be a contributing factor. And just like many other places in the world, we have a loneliness epidemic. People don’t know how to make friends in real life. Therefore they don’t form romantic relationships or don’t know how to keep them going.

Denmark is super expensive. The cost of living is crazy. Especially with all the old people living in massive houses alone that they refuse to vacate. Germany has the same problem. The cost of Housing is the number one problem in the west. Nobody wants to admit that. Because house prices dropping would screw up the financial system. We need a land value tax.

I know... It's expensive

Good point

Have you ever heard of a concept such as sacrifice in the present for the future? You can't afford not to have kids, but you will probably realize this way too late when you are old, without pension, and without anyone to care for you.😢

@@edytatehrani3934 Really, so they should be raised in poverty so they can take care of me later? Without kids I have fewer expenses, and hence more money to put into an IRA.

@@edytatehrani3934 What part of theres no MONEY don't you get?

Not really you can't find out the gender of your child in these countries.

@@shahankhan7685 in India it’s illegal but still happens. Many move to Canada before trying to have children so they have the option to abort their girls. The Sikh schools here are filled with mostly boys and hardly any girls. The very religious Indian and Pakistani Muslims also do the same. All of this is happening because Canada is so expensive and these people can only afford to have ONE or TWO children MAX.

@@shahankhan7685 Just because something is illegal doesn't mean people find a way around it.

​@@jameslascelle9453then they need to accept homosexuality

ALL countries have gender imbalances

People aren’t the problem, per se. The real problem is unnecessary and ostentatious consumption. As they say, “Our wants are many; our needs are few”.

You know what the real kick in the nuts is?? The guy who clearly doesn’t think 😂 some how managed to build a net worth of 200 Billion dollars and a critical thinker like yourself didn’t!

@@jmseipp sadly the elites will still do that not because the should but can since there is no one to stop them.

They won't. As a childfree woman I can't ever picture mothers getting the respect they deserve. Society is still in the mindset that motherhood is a resource they can take for granted.

Exactly. The panel is too dumb to recognize that he's right.

Amen. 🙏

That's assuming the ratio of retirees to tax payers does not economically crush us first.

@@nepsyasudra3262 Time to change the economic system then to account for technological advances and different demographics.

@@nepsyasudra3262 Why just the ratio of retirees to taxpayers? Workers don't just support retirees. They support children and the adults whose care of children, prevents them from being economically productive They support the unemployed and the sick and disabled. In the 1970s, women stopped having so many babies and became taxpayers themselves, which created an unnaturally high ratio of worker/taxpayers to dependents.

@@nepsyasudra3262there will be no pension system in the long run. I don’t expect to get a pension from the state.

The Russian oligarchs are said to pay the Eastern Orthodox church to make childbearing more valuable. It has had very little effect.

@@skylinefever The Russians are already thinking about preventing women from going to university and also tying your pension to the number of children you had, if you didn't have any children, you don't get a pension in old age. They also want to introduce a childless tax

😂👍indeed, people believe global warming is the biggest problem. This "problem" is just beginning.

Cause AI and robots don’t consume or pay taxes. Plus they might wake up and destroy all humanity.

Bingo

So tax the robots and AI! We will learn to live with AI and robots and governments will find a way to generate tax from them. That’s what governments do.

@@whitneyanders5945 as if is government now taking robot also so what if they are taxed most rich who assets will run from that country so the country where there is less tax and who knows would government really use those tax of poor or in there name they will take share of the tax for themselves also the future seem to bleek with rising unequal wealth which cause shortage of tax revenues for government as rich don't pay tax as they consume less according to there wealth also even if they consume it most money goes to another rich person

I agree, but corporations worry that there will be fewer consumers, and governments worry that there won’t be enough soldiers for their military.

You have to get more money and jobs in men's hands if you want population stabilization. Stop giving money to women, who don't use that money to find a man, whereas men do the opposite.

Only Malcolm is being honest.

But who is going to wipe my butt when I am in a retirement home?

Somebody with sense!!! WOW 😊

Religious fanatics that control women’s lives are some of the only groups that have high birthrates and are still growing quickly worldwide. Giving women control of their lives paradoxically causes lower birthrates and leads to that group being outnumbered by the fanatics.

Yup, society will have to find a way to make motherhood and personal fulfillment/security compatible rather than cheating by assuming women can only find fulfillment through motherhood. Especially when motherhood comes with exclusively financial/physical/costs, no benefits. Motherhood should at least come with the honor, pay, benefits, cultural relevance of military service. If not, people can stop talking about it as a resource or duty.

The East still think only men can hold property thus why China one child policy was such an issue and now they are facing the consequences of that and good. The west it’s cost of living and no incentive to have kids when capitalism wants more workers then thriving citizens

I often say why get stuck in cram school so you can afford to ripe someone out of perfect nonexistence and imprison them in cram school?

Feel bad for both parents and kids.

Malcom talked about that as well. New economic strategies and models.

I think of the work of Mark Fisher and his philosophical question of imagining a world BEYOND capitalism. That is possibly where the solution to all this lies.

I know Malcolm has 4 and will go on to get at least 7. He puts his money where his mouth is.

I see you've drunk from the Satanists play book. Jesus will prevail over Lucifer. ✝️✝️✝️

As we should you’ve all taken the great sacrifice ever mother makes who are the POOREST and most abused demographic in the world for granted. Religion and government can no longer bully women into having the goldmine for the few to benefit from -no thanks.

The problem is Cletus' and especially Trayvon's are fathering WAY too many children that will almost never be productive members of society. In all likelihood the children will end up repeating the cycle and being a drag on the system.

Lol

Maybe they should find a job.

@@DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman There might be plenty of jobs that need doing but we might find ourselves in a position where no one actually has the skills or know how to do them properly or at all. Loss of knowledge and skills always happens during population collapse historically and now we have considerably larger and more complex systems that require specialized education or training and we already have a crisis of competence in many fields and things have been breaking down for a while now.

It may have some short term downsides but there are many real and urgent issues now from even current population levels and it is still increasing.

@@DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman I believe it would create problems for people who are not on welfare as well, and widespread social unrest and panic as a result

​@@LordMagiru the only answer to this and the only hope that I have remaining for humanity to be able to solve the immense complexities and crises that loom in front of us, is AI. Not sure if you or other people will agree, but I have come to that conclusion after learning deeply about what to expect in the future, and what to expect from AI in the future. I just hope that the crucial parts related to tech, energy, production, and skills in all the possible industries, won't collapse and fade before we get to actually useful, intelligent, complex AIs to help us to stabilize. Among many other things, AI may become a blessing for very deep and effective individual teaching, the best one available for a young (or any) person, with infinite patience and high adaptability, and in the near future, high reliability and intelligence. Hallucinations are being worked on and are mostly fixable, the goal is to get them to at least somewhat better than a good human expert's level. But while we humans spend large parts of our lives learning to get very professional in something, AI with enough access to high quality (as correct as possible) data, energy and best hardware, can potentially become proficient in everything in months or years. For now, the main hurdle on the way to getting better AIs is not enough hardware performance, but from what I learned about the already existing tech, large companies' plans and the industry's needs and investments that accelerate the movement in that direction, in a ~decade to two, hardware will get fast enough for basically magical things with AI, and much faster in general context too. AI can also soon become a blessing in medicine, at first only for diagnosing sicknesses; many years later, - for more. And blessing in hard and skilled labor automation, but from what I see, it will come later, in a decade or two, if we manage to keep our industries for the cutting-edge technologies and production going. It's interesting how right about the time we are getting close to cliff, a technology is emerging that has the potential to help overcome it. Although, human societies and economies will have to be re-structured a LOT, and we are very bad at it for many reasons.

As was the understanding just two generations ago, 6-7 children were average with infant mortality going on in the past.

Or, one can be prudent in their spending and plan for their retirement, which is a much more effective way of of going about it than having children and expecting them to take care of you

@@devilsadvocacy Hello, money can't take care of you in your old age, someone else's children have to take care of you even if you didn't have children. you can have all the money in the world but if there aren't any young workers to take care of you then the money becomes useless. imagine if we all stopped having children and saved all our money, then who will we pay that money to to take care of us when we are 80 years old if everyone is childless

@@wamnicho I don’t know about you, but if I get to a point where I can no longer care for myself is when I start planning my exit. I’m not nearly so selfish, despite what people say, that I would ever become a burden on anybody

@@wamnicho euthanasia is a thing and it's probs better than becoming a prisoner in an old and frail body

The poorest also have children as the parents labor force and pensions plans. Malcolm Collins said that once the country averages 5000 USD per year or more, birth rates drop.

They're not really families trust me, there's a lot of single motherhood, probably like 50 or 60%. and that's one of the main reasons why African societies are so backward and violent, i would rather a woman be childless than a single mother, and am not talking about single mothers whose husbands died, but women who have children out of wedlock and the men abandon them

governments will collapse and new societies will arise based on race and nationalism

I like seeing the Zen Busshist and SHinto not buy in.

Fertility rate has already slumped in Turkey and Iran

👍 I never did.

Rich people just wants control.