Is AA a Cult or a Solution?

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@marie22tully10 11 месяцев назад

I tried AA and it absolutely felt like a cult. I was just talking about this with a friend this morning.

@jjp5846 Год назад

My father took the AA route, he was constantly reminded he was an alcoholic, he never met my children. RIP. Kevin teaches you to not be an alcoholic and live your life. Onward and upwards Kevin!

@robertpoldervaart9552 Год назад

Kevin took the Allan Carr route...imo the best way...

@brianawhittaker8152 Год назад

Yeah I never liked the idea of AA for one I don't tell my business to the whole wide world and two being told that you're an alcoholic 24/7 is discouraging. Bc being addicted does not make you powerful it's the opposite it takes all your power from you. So it's very discouraging to be reminded that you're powerless 24/7. I think Kevin's approach is better bc you're seeing the truth like you need to but you're not feeling sorry for yourself and playing the victim. You're taking back your power and rewriting your story when you use his approach. I dont hate AA but I just would never go to it I took my power back on my own and with some help from these videos so I don't need AA. We also have alot of support and a good community here.

@GeoffGroves Год назад

AA is not only a cult, but its a control mechanism, a shame mechanism.

@dr.coomer9750 Год назад

Exactly. Thing I hated most about AA was that even though I stopped drinking, alcohol still defined and dominated my whole life and it was atrocious for my mental health. I’m glad people in the 30s had it when there was nothing else but it’s not my cup of tea

@kevinlawlor8867 10 месяцев назад

I can certainly identify with your fundamental concepts on this significant subject matter

@christopherrenedo1855 Год назад

Got my one-year chip. I made a heartful speech and afterward got made fun of by two old-timers. I was done. Another bad experience with a religion/cult. I will still never drink again. I found your videos while starting my journey last year. Feel like I'm growing in a similar way to you in moving from discarding a habit to expanding my understanding of who I am and the joy of life.

@trevorwright2 Год назад

Lol yep lot of hazing. Most people get stuck in the net. Good for you doing whats best for you. Did you go back at get your 2 year coin and say. Did it with out you all. Lol

@HabitsV2 Год назад

Much obliged for the super, Christopher. Glad to be of help :)

@marie22tully10 11 месяцев назад

What did it for me was a guy who was two years sober berating us newcomers. I guess he thought it was "tough love" but it felt like bullying and I never went back. I did relapse twice but I'm sober on my own because in the end it's up to me.

@user-ml9rs8kr4w 10 месяцев назад

@@marie22tully10 you saved your sanity and mind

@Ah__ah__ah__ah. 20 дней назад

@@marie22tully10100% the older generations really are typically cold as hell sadly because of their parents of course gotta keep improving the humans well being with kindness and compassion not “tough love”

@user-ml9rs8kr4w 10 месяцев назад

Most sane people leave AA and don’t die or end up in jail .

@rudyrod100 Год назад

I went to a AA meeting, Once. Those people creeped me out.

@casper1240 Год назад

Spend 20 grand on Rehab and all they offer you is AA and a few Pills

@roseymatthews8932 9 месяцев назад

Oh Kevin you are putting my thoughts into words. I lived with a sober AA member for twenty and more years. They had a superiority smugness about them was unreal. I seen their addiction to Alcohol turn to an addiction to AA. They took every opportunity to demean anybody seen taking a drink. Anonymity for the most part did not exist. They could pick each other out in a crowd. I seen them meeting fellow members in the most unlikely places, holidays flights etc., and while they had their mini meet they nodded in my direction and nodded heads while they congratulated each other about the superb human they had become. Enough

@rameyzamora1018 Год назад

Once Kevin pointed out the drawbacks of labeling myself it changed my entire perspective. It's helped me grow & evolve out of relying on alcohol to relishing gratitude for this good life every day.

@HabitsV2 Год назад

Glad to hear that Ramey :)

@WinTheWarWithMe 23 дня назад

That’s it for me too. The label is what kept me going back to drinking. Kevin saved my life.

@dr.coomer9750 Год назад

The problem with AA for me was that even though I stopped drinking alcohol, it still defined and dominated my whole life (meetings all week, self-identifying as an alcoholic every day, etc). How can talking about drinking with other ex drinkers all the time remove the obsession with drinking?

@user-ml9rs8kr4w 10 месяцев назад

Exactly!! Why do you think people can’t distance themselves from their bad habit . It’s now their identity

@davemccall1134 6 месяцев назад

Could not agree with your post. There's a sense of emotional blackmail that if you aren't in a meeting on a daily basis, you are doomed to fail and relapse shortly. If you're engaged in a conversation on any topic with a hard core AAer it's literally impossible for them to not bring alcoholism and AA into the conversation.

@bondjamesbond1664 2 месяца назад

THANK YOU!!! it doesnt! idk about you but i dont want to identify myself as my past problems

@WinTheWarWithMe 23 дня назад

This ⬆️

@adamy3834 Год назад

Bill Wilson was a Rockefeller funded man. It worked because in the 90’s I had nowhere else to go. AA shames you into powerlessness, guilt and that ends in depression. It has some decent points but sitting in meetings all week just becomes another addiction

@scottking2932 Год назад

I think you've hit the nail on the head here. I tried AA once. Didn't work for me. The biggest reason was I'm listening to all of these people stand up and say that they are alcoholics, even though in some cases they were people who had stopped drinking decades earlier. I like your analogy, that it's like an obese person who is no longer obese but they keep referring to themselves as such. It makes no sense. I have arthritis. I cannot just make a decision to stop having arthritis. Conversely, I made a decision 2 years and 3 months ago to stop putting alcohol into my body, and all kinds of problems went away. If there were such a thing as alcoholism, a disease, then how was it possible for me in a nanosecond to simply make a decision to remove it from my life forever? But I did. I sure would like to do that with the arthritis too, haha, but I can't, because arthritis is an actual disease. Alcoholism is not. I love your approach. It is freeing, positive, empowering. It rings true. It is common sensical. Thank you for all of your helpful videos. They played a big role in getting me to where I am today. I had a couple of false starts, tripping up at the beginning because in your very first video you said that you knew that you would never return to alcohol, and I just found that to be superhuman. It was something that I wanted to be able to say for myself, but I knew that I could not do so honestly. I didn't trust myself, and I was right because I made it for 100 days and then had a glass of wine and then was right back where I had started. But then I kept watching your videos and you just made such perfect sense, and seeing you on your walks with clear eyes and a clear head making perfect sense and being fit and happy and living your best life really helped me to want the same, and I just finally did it. So again, thank you.

@HabitsV2 Год назад

I had the right motivation, I think. And, it hit me at the right time. it's not an easy journey, but as you know - this is life. Wish you well, Scott

@scottking2932 Год назад

@@HabitsV2 Thanks, Kevin. Your book was also helpful which I bought after seeing that first video. Onwards and upwards!

@billcrawford5672 Год назад

I agree with a lot of what Kevin is saying here, but in regards to your comment, alcoholism is definitely a disease. It fits every criteria of the word. It physically and chemically changes your body in a negative way, and for some people kills them because of it. But I also am one who is not big into AA. That’s why I like Habits V2 and these videos. Thanks Kevin for your insights, and thank you Scott for your comment. I am happy for anyone who is sober, no matter how they got there or what they believe.

@artemisappollo1491 Год назад

@@GradKat I agree with you because my mom passed 3 weeks ago and I have been hitting it pretty hard 😢. I am trying to slow it down again 😔 but the feeling guilty any a couple of things make it really difficult 💯

@nickturnbull4105 Год назад

Fantastic , insightful reply that , excellent articulation .

@George75605 Год назад

I understand the principles of AA. However, there are MANY who attend meetings, learn the "language" and hide behind an Ego that defies the very principles AA is founded on. Yes, there Are definitely Bullies "in the rooms," as "old-timers" use their length of abstinence to elevate their egos while they lie and spew word salads with condescension dripping from their mouths. Staying locked in the problem by reaffirming Powerlessness and Defects of Character like a parrot may be for some people, but it demands submission. Not an affirmative way to recover.

@rachelhudson8362 Год назад

Well said. I've just got out

@catherinecooper8370 2 месяца назад

Most old timers are like that. I don't think AA helps people longer than a year.

@jujumulligan43 Год назад

I love this. Right on. I experienced years of AA. I went through a great deal of confusion and low self-esteem. I would never attend nor would I recommend the program to anyone! I WOULD recommend Kevin!

@LifeLongLearner222 Год назад

Yup. I attended for 3 years a long time ago. Left and stayed sober. Thought it was just another organized religion. Later on I dated a drinker. Started drinking again. Sober now again. Doing it for me! I can’t afford to sign on to one of Kevin’s subscriptions. These videos have been pure gold. Thanks, Kevin

@HabitsV2 Год назад

No worries Kiwi

@dwaynelasater2350 Год назад

@@HabitsV2 Maybe you could offer a payment plan for those who can't afford the whole amount up front if you do not do that already. I used your subscription back when it was less expensive, and it worked for me.

@HabitsV2 Год назад

@@dwaynelasater2350 We have an option that's less than a dollar a day at the moment. It's only the parts that need me to be there personally, one on one kinda thing, that I charge more for.

@LifeLongLearner222 Год назад

@@HabitsV2 Kevin, I think you have priced your programs fairly. I would never accept charity even when offered. My income will increase soon I hope. Sobriety does that😃Then I can reconsider your program. Meanwhile, I’ll watch your free videos. Just that alone has helped.

@jujumulligan43 Год назад

Same here. My husband and I are living off of disability because of accident and cancer. I can't afford this either. I depend on Kevin's videos!!!

@brendanthebdog 10 месяцев назад

I went to an SAA meeting to deal with viewing internet porn and didn't really get much out of it other than learning there are others struggling too. I couldn't ever go along with the central tenet of believing that I'm incapable of helping myself. Whether it be booze or porn, it's as easy as just stopping. Keep the booze out of your mouth and the porn out of your eyes. The hard part comes when you feel bored and lonely and remember how bad it felt being bored and lonely as a kid. Luckily, as an adult you've got options, sometimes it is just learning how to sit there with the feeling of being bored and lonely.

@GypsyCrymson Год назад

I feel the same way....whatever works for you, that's great! But for me, I too don't find retelling my stories and remembering those times helps me with my journey of sobriety and self forgiveness.

@n2cable Год назад

whatever.🤔 How have you been!!! Long time no see

@user-ml9rs8kr4w 10 месяцев назад

AA is a shame based program and induces fear to leave

@BlackRain_ Год назад

Cults look for people who are lost (and wealthy)

@Zen-kr3te Год назад

As a somatic therapist, AA labels the alcoholic and continues the guilt and shame aspect of our inner child (survival brain). Addiction is an unconscious loop. We need to focus on the body somatically in order to create conscious awareness and force change.

@Veromoi4 Год назад

In my experience, labeling myself as an alcoholic has actually empowered me. I can see how some people would not feel good labeling them self is an alcoholic and I support them. To help my nervous system I do meditation every day, and breath holds go on walks in nature, attend AA meetings, connect with people at all different stages of recovery, and keep working on myself, so that I can be the best version of myself for me and those around me.

@user-ml9rs8kr4w 10 месяцев назад

@@Veromoi4you have been brainwashed to believe this by AA .

@ForTheSakeOfTheSongs 11 месяцев назад

Kevin let's face it you are dealing with alcoholism on a daily basis because of your channel, just like the AA guys do. That's a blessing you helped so many people to survive and get sober but still you probably share the same fundamental frustration as others : why can't we just once and forever leave all this shit behind us and forget about it ?

@DigitalLazarus Год назад

It was a big part of rehab. I continued for a while afterward but was always conflicted due to patriarchal Christian leanings which so often made me cringe. Some folks swear by AA. That's cool. It's just not my personal cup of tea. Thanks as always, Kevin.

@julieharris90 Год назад

Thankyou. Love your walks and talks. 59 days sober today

@HabitsV2 Год назад

Great job!

@timothyoreilly6675 Год назад

I have the third edition of the AA Big Book and the theory that alcoholism is a 'disease' is only mentioned once (in one of the members recovery stories). Over and over the term 'character defects' is used i.e. it's the alcoholics fault and if they'd just deal with their 'character defects' then they'd recovery from alcoholism. AA really helped me when I first tried to get sober as it gave me a system and structure, however, it wasn't for me in the long run. I still read the Big Book from time to time, but I don't go to meetings.

@Hello_Ladies Год назад

If AA works for you, go for it. All I needed was motivation and willpower. I think a lot of people are forced into AA because of legal troubles, which I personally was lucky to have avoided many times. For me it wasn't difficult to stop "cold turkey", and I also stopped smoking cigarettes at the same time. Weed was the last to go, but it wasn't a problem either. I smoked weed a couple months after. Fortunately, I was able to do this without having to lose anything, or cause pain to anyone else. I don't like being forced into things, and probably never would have done it if I had been. Anyway, I'm into year 5, and it's been great. Onwards and Upwards!

@jerryg2073 Год назад

I feel many get go to AA and do well - by stopping the drinking but end up treating AA as a religion.

@amytichelaar7638 Год назад

It can even be a very fun journey if you don’t focus on the suffering and the “fear of missing out”. Every day new gains and new insights. They can be painful but if you never go through it you will never know how much you can learn and unlearn mostly on this journey and feel like a kid again. It’s bittersweet but amazing simultaneously. Thank you again for your great video.

@HabitsV2 Год назад

Exactly Amy. I've never had so much fun, not since I was a kid. It's almost always painful to make big changes happen, but that's life. All perspective.

@snu3877 Год назад

I am a huge believer in JOMO, not FOMO. JOMO is the joy of missing out on hangovers, wasted $, damaged brain/body/organs, ruined relationships, possibly loss of employment, lack of self respect, weight gain, ruined appearance (again, weight gain, but also ruddy, bloated face). The list goes on and on.

@pablobrown3516 10 месяцев назад

What an insight. Total eye opener. Thank You 🙏

@HabitsV2 10 месяцев назад

My pleasure!

@ambercrombie789 9 месяцев назад

All of this so very true. I pray God's very best for you Kevin. My time at AA was horrendous.I voluntarily committed to the VA a few months ago at my pastor's behest. VA released me after three weeks. When I asked to be released I was angrily told, 'You will leave when we say so?' It was a nightmare. Lights on in my bedroom 24/7 "for my safety". Doped with meds that still afflict me. High carb, low sodium, no vitamins. //My offense, made a big-shot at my church angry.

@user-ml9rs8kr4w 10 месяцев назад

Absolutely a cult ! !

@manuelahrasky8472 Год назад

Another great video, Kevin. I am a psychiatrist and I agree with you that most people who want to stop drinking do not need medical or psychological treatment. I think the idea that alcohol misuse is a medical problem does a disservice to people. It is disempowering, and it runs the risk of being enabling in a negative sense: ‘it’s a disease, I’m a victim of my disease, it’s not my fault’. Teaching people that they have to white-knuckle it every day and that they are always one drink away from disaster, even after decades of sobriety, is not helpful for most people. For most people l, excessive drinking is a habit that has hijacked their brain. As a habit, it can be unlearned and replaced with new habits, a fact of which you are a stellar example! Some people will need medical care but, as you say, we can easily see who they are. Most of us are capable of ‘spontaneous sobriety’ if that’s what we truly want. And wanting change, embracing change, is the key.

@HabitsV2 Год назад

Completely agree.

@Veromoi4 Год назад

Are you saying AA teaches people to white knuckle? Oh my gosh it seems like there’s a lot of misconceptions about AA. Hi, nice to meet you. I’ve been attending meetings for over two years and a lot of what people are saying in the comments just is not true. I’m not sure if you’ve ever struggled with alcohol, but I have first-hand experience with over a decade, long struggle with alcohol, and it most certainly is a disease. AA helps a lot of people so as a psychiatrist, I’d be careful about telling people not to go, I think people should be able to explore AA and see if it’s a good fit for them. I was going to therapy for my alcoholism, and my therapist told me she didn’t like the idea of AA and I put off going to AA for quite a number of years based on her recommendation to stay away from it. But many years later, when I finally did start going, I quit drinking and I haven’t picked up a drink in over two years. For me it was the solution and so you can’t say that it’s not a good place for people to go. For some people it’s the exact right place to go, but they have to find that out for themselves. I have a new therapist that has taught me ACT skills alongside AA, which he highly recommends that I continue attending meetings, in addition to seeing him once a month. Here’s the thing just because people quit drinking, that doesn’t mean the problems go away. Alcohol is but a symptom. I don’t have the privilege to have your point of view. I can appreciate the work you do, and helping others through psychiatry but with all due respect, I think staying in your lane is a good idea when it comes to this because sometimes AA is the exact thing somebody needs to get sober….and even if they leave that’s OK! I don’t find fault if somebody gets sober through AA but decides to go away from the organization. There’s nothing wrong with that. I’m just happy that they are sober now. It helped them get sober, and if they can maintain that without aa, that’s is awesome news for them. I keep attending because it gives me emotional sobriety and that’s really important to me. I’m really passionate about this topic because I don’t even know if I’d still be alive today based on how sick I was getting from alcohol. So thank you to AA! And no, aa is not the only way to get sober obviously. There are so many different ways to recover nowadays thank goodness! We need options for all the different types of people there are. I just wanna point out some thing else you say, the alcohol hijacked their brains, and that you can replace the habit with different habits… OK but then why are there people that can drink at funerals and weddings and birthdays or when they get broken up with, or when they’re having a bad day…and never ever develop any sort of addiction? That’s how my drinking started out at birthdays at a funeral at a wedding, after a breakup. Also, how do you explain that my dad is a recovering alcoholic? how do you explain that his dad died from drinking alcohol, he literally poisoned himself to death. My father never even was around his father. He never even witnessed his father drink because he wasn’t in the picture .. My dad still developed a drinking problem. I but it’s not really a drinking problem. It’s a disease, it’s an allergy to alcohol. My dad doesn’t go to AA but he fully support me going to AA. I’m just grateful there’s no one in my life making comments like you are making that this isn’t a disease and trivializing it. Again and I’ll state this one last time. Some of us don’t have the privilege to have spontaneous sobriety. For many it’s life or death unfortunately. I have no doubt that if I were to have a drink tomorrow or in 10 years from now that it would not be good for me. Once alcohol metabolizes in my bloodstream, I have no idea what will happen. I know this first hand and “we admitted that we were powerless over alcohol and that our lives had become unmanageable.” Is so accurate for me. If it resonates with a person to their core you can’t argue with that. Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope you at least consider that there’s more than one point of view here and you don’t know everything, and neither do I.

@leeleeturn Год назад

@@Veromoi4 Thank you, Olivia. You said much of what I wanted to say.

@lorrainesaunders162 Год назад

Absolutely agree. Thank you so much for your videos. They help so much and make such a difference. 👍

@andreablume2589 Год назад

I hated having to get a sponsor!! Like the nazis of AA

@davidresch390 Год назад

Don’t get me started!😂😂😂

@greatest7391 Год назад

@@VAMR-vc7xg Spot on..when you get members in there who have been sober for years declaring they are sick & crazy it sends a bad message to newcomers. It is a hamster wheel system.

@patriciamharris5664 Год назад

Yeah... sober since December, Boxing Day to be precise. Very difficult started with AA, grateful for the zoom support..BUT, I don t want a Sponsor, i don t want anyone monitoring me and asking questions. I ll keep in prayer.❤

@timburton9514 4 месяца назад

I had a sponsor. He was many years sober. He was the most cynical, condescending prick I’ve ever met!! Questioned my sobriety constantly. Loved to shame me! Everything is my fault. I had an abusive mother. Nope!! It was MY fault!! Screw him and AA. I’m 97 days sober!

@craigc9942 Год назад

You're gonna get so many comments on this video Kevin. Thanks for making the video and making your points! I love watching you hike and talk especially when you're up in the mountains. You helped me and I'm sober now. I went to AA for years, worked all the steps with a sponsor, sponsored guys myself, even started new meetings. I was sober for years... And never felt like i was a true believer. Obviously i drank again. I feel good about myself and motivated to not drink when i watch you. I feel anxious about not 'working the program' hard enough when i go to AA--no matter how much i do. But that's just me. If you love AA and it's working for you, then throw yourself into it. AA itself is very clear that AA is not the only way to get sober.

@ChickenandKetzup Год назад

Thank you for sharing and revealing my thoughts are not alone.... I have had many similar thoughts you have expressed recently while I attended AA.

@aliciacarstensen7904 Год назад

I was completely turned off by AA a year ago. Everybody, everybody griped and complained the entire time and had to say they were an alcoholic before they spoke, everytime they chimed in. It's like everybody was programmed. My brother said it perfect....find the positive things that work for you. I believe in God but I don't like others shoving him down my throat

@n2cable Год назад

I never did AA but i would stand with an AA member anyday of the week. Thats the path they chose to not drink.It doesnt matter what i think cause in the end they stopped drinking. They took a different route but we ended up in the same place and good for them and their family and everyone else that benefits from others being sober. Gotta respect anyone whostops drinking IMO. Id stand shoulder to shoulder with them

@HabitsV2 Год назад

Completely agree. I don't have to agree with the philosophy to be able to stand by another person's choices. I have plenty of people in my life who still drink. That's fine by me. It's their body, their life, and they're entitled to spend as they see fit.

@timweedon2785 Год назад

You'd be surprised how little families benefit from somebody going to cult meetings 7 days a week.

@n2cable Год назад

@@timweedon2785 sure thing Tim. If I had to come home from a meeting and deal with your internet trolliness i would prob start drinking!🤣

@aliciacarstensen7904 Год назад

@@timweedon2785 people seriously do that? Holy s h I t. I couldn't stand AA but I was going like once a week. Once a week too much haha

@tomekkruk6147 Год назад

In all fairness what AA does is just replacing one addiction with another. I met an AA "patient" if you can call him that, and what i noticed is that he stopped drinking, but then got totally obsessed with Jesus or whatever they believe in, to the point that you begin to think whether actually drinking wasn't better for the dude.

@danielpeterson2702 Год назад

Well if you do have an obsessive nature at least make you obsession something that isn't damaging like booze.

@dwaynelasater2350 Год назад

Another awesome walking, talking video Kevin.

@davemccall1134 6 месяцев назад

I'm 74 years old and stopped drinking eight years ago. This was after drinking for fifty years with thirty-five of those last years drinking excessively every day. I felt that in order to sustain my sobriety I should use every resource that was available. Which lead me to AA. I made a vow to myself I would participate in AA for a year to give myself the best chance to stay sober. This was regardless of my feelings good or bad for AA. After that year I concluded AA was beneficial but couldn't quantify to what degree. There were certain tenants of AA held that I didn't agree with. That alcoholism is a discease and not a addiction that will eventually lead to mental health and physical issues. This appeared more of a no fault excuse for my poor choices. There was no other way to continue with sobriety if you didn't embrace all of AA ideology. Not attending meetings you will soon find yourself relapsing. Having a sponsor is almost mandatory. I know there are sponsors that are competent enough to help you with sobriety. But the majority couldn't run a self service gas station and should probably be sued for malpractice. I still periodically attend a meeting but to be truthful, it's to catch up with a few members that I respect and are truly good people.

@michelleg1076 Год назад

I agree with you Kevin.

@tomgleason5546 11 месяцев назад

This is really good! I think it is a cult though.

@karenczajka1201 Год назад

Day one here! OMG!🙃

@Awarenessdaily360 2 месяца назад

"The secret to manifestation lies in understanding and applying the principle of positive input, throughputs that generate positive outputs, and feedback loops, creating a circle of well-being. Whether in Alcoholics Anonymous or any other context, learning and mastering this process is key to manifesting your desires."

@garypedigogaeu5787 8 месяцев назад

I am in complete agreement with everything you said. Thank you for voicing what my opinions in a rational way. My defense mechanism leads me to be over emotional and to over state my position. My hot button is the ranking and authority that goes along with the accumulation of time sober. Secondly it would be the hypocrisy of behavior while around fellow members versus behavior in their real life. Similar to church people. I’m interested in reality.

@pmbluemoon Год назад

All of these reasons are why I appreciate your channel so much. I had one really bad run-in with alcohol, and now I'm labeled for life. 4 years later they ask me if I've had a drink, and all it does is make me mad to think that will follow me forever. I like your analogy of losing weight but still calling oneself fat forever, makes sense to me. I'm on a fixed income and would love to support your channel, so far I've shared your videos with others who have the same line of thinking and hope it has helped you gain a few subs. Thank you for all of your work and helping all of us out here, you are very appreciated!

@HabitsV2 Год назад

Thanks Chris. I appreciate people wanting to support that channel in any way they can. I love making these videos and being able to interact with people like yourself who make my journey so much richer. I'm always very grateful I get to do what I love doing :)

@danielpeterson2702 Год назад

Well you might be fat forever, but you might have the temptation to binge eat forever.

@marcochlich4406 Год назад

Thats excactly what I was thinking, calling myself an addict, after 4 months of sobriety, and pretending to be dependent on a higher power, just doesn't go well with me. Because for me, what I realized was, that it was me putting the poison into my body. So it is obviously also me, who can put an end to it. And sitting there, and listening to people relapsing constantly, is not much fun either. It even made me feel bad cause I am not relapsing...for me it was enough to educate myself on how addiction works, finding fun things to do with my spare time, like going to the gym, or swimming with my kids. Putting more effort into my work and marriage. It is so nice to sit back every now and then, and watch how everything unfolds beautifully. And all I had to do is stop poisoning myself. That was three weeks of cravings, and that's all. Not much if you consider, what you could habe lost, in the long run. Your videos helped me through my craving period, plus sports and other educational vids. Thank you for that.❤

@user-ml9rs8kr4w 10 месяцев назад

Thank you for your awesome post ! Helped a lot . You rock !! And have all the power

@dave91863 Месяц назад

I was a street drinker for 22 years, i ended up on life support maschine with multiple organ failure, i got out of hospital and havent drank for 2 years now, and got a job working in a hospital...i did this all on my own...yet i go to an AA meeting last night and i felt intimidated, and was told that i could not stay sober on my own , even though i had told them i could had been sober 2 years on my own, the meeting itself felt intimidating, some members looked right at me when saying certain things, and you do feel like your being bullied, you can tell they are completly brainwashed and its a cult following

@slappylippy Год назад

My worldview includes a higher power and I agree with you. It's one of the things I didn't like about AA right off the bat because it was so vague. When I heard you can make the higher purpose the doorknob, my BS radar went off. Now I see AA simply as a place of community I can hit up if I'm isolating and not allowing any sense of community in my life. Different strokes for different folks as long as alcohol is not the main character and oracle in your life.

@brendangallagher5336 Месяц назад

When people say they don't want to go to AA because it feels like a cult, I usually say that's exactly why it works! And it does work if you let it work. I completely agree with a lot of these points though, thanks for the video! It also doesn't sit right with me in meetings when I hear these old-timers who are like 40 years sober still identifying as an alcoholic; however, I get why they do. Obesity you can lose, alcoholism you cant. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. I'll probably end up sticking with AA for a year or so until I get some solid sobriety under my belt and then like you said, move on with my life. I just don't see myself sitting in a musty church basement talking about the same things over and over again for the rest of my life. BUT it does work, it's just not an ideal way to live.

@danielpeterson2702 Год назад

One thing about aa is being able to talk to people in person. There used to be s lot of smart meetings in my area. That was an interesting group.

@tomfaunce Год назад

Thank you for your objective view, Kevin. There are a lot of misconceptions about AA out there. I tried therapy, working with my doctor, etc. But The person who helped me finally get sober for good was a drummer in AA, and it didn't cost me a dime. I am not a "Big Book Thumper," and I don't even attend meetings anymore. But i will say that what the 12 steps did for me, was not only help me stop drinking, but completely removed the DESIRE to drink. My experience with AA was "take what you need, and leave the rest." I certainly agree with you about moving on with your life once you get sober. I prefer to focus on the future, and not the past. I look at my drinking days as a closed chapter in my life. But, reminding myself that I am an alcoholic is what helps me if the thought ever enters my mind that maybe now I can drink responsibly. Again, it rarely does because I don't even want to drink. But remembering what is was like keeps me on the right path. Thanks for the video

@aaronspell1494 9 месяцев назад

A lot of us in AA refer to ourselves as recovered alcoholics. And the reason people continue to go for years after theyve stopped drinking is to help other alcoholics on theyre path to sobriety. Its a selfless act after so many years of being selfish and self centered. As far as the spirituality is concerned, no one can deny the fact that it is a very powerful weapon in the fight against addiction. Hell, mankind has been spiritual since they were painting on the walls of caves. A lot of people lose everything to their addiction and AA offers community support for those who cant chose a "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" approach. IDK...i just think AA needs a voice in this feed. if anyone reading this in the comments has any questions about AA ill be happy to answer them. im not an AA expert but ive been around the program for many years.

@johnye2210 Год назад

I went with a friend to an AA meeting to support her... its not for everyone, but if it does help then by all means go for it 🤷‍♂️

@elcid2342 Год назад

AA would consider you Kevin a “dry drunk”. A miserable person who has not dealt with all the emotional issues triggering you to drink. You would be considered someone who is likely to lose control at any moment due to dependence on willpower alone. I think we both know this is a very flawed point of view. I cannot stand rigid inflexible dogma like this. Every person is different. It feels as if they almost want you to fail if you choose to stop drinking under any other method.

@snu3877 Год назад

I don't think Kevin in any way resembles a dry drunk. He is happy and engaged, living a full life. A dry drunk is someone who is not drinking, but has still not addressed the things that made them drink. I believe Kevin has done that. I am not very familiar with AA. Do they really think they are the only path to lasting sobriety?

@elcid2342 Год назад

I did not imply he was. Many in AA will say that people who quit drinking but do not subscribe to their tenants are dry drunks. There are many in AA who are extremely hardcore. They believe the 12 steps and forever participation is the only path to sobriety. While I believe the 12 steps is a good path, I do not believe I must be a slave to AA for the rest of my life.

@snu3877 Год назад

@@elcid2342 It's an interesting balancing act. On the one hand, as Annie Grace (author and creator of the free 30 day Alcohol Experiment) says, the goal is to make alcohol 'small and insignificant' in my life. I don't want to live in morbid fear of alcohol. But on the other hand, with some sober time under your belt, it can be a huge pitfall to then conclude it's not a big deal to have "just one" drink. I don't believe a drink is just a drink ---- even if you literally have ONE drink. All too often, a person who picks up a drink after abstaining for even a long time, often finds themselves back to their old drinking ways in no time. This is precisely what happened to the founder of a Facebook alcohol group I am in called SoberPunks Gang. Jonathan Turner had 7 years under his belt and decided to have a glass of red wine "for old time's sake" on New Year's Eve 2 years ago and went back to drinking for an entire year, hiding it from almost everyone. He came clean at the beginning of this year. (Here's his blog if anyone is interested. soberpunks.co.uk/2023/01/13/oops-i-did-it-again/ )

@user-ml9rs8kr4w 10 месяцев назад

Exactly!!! It’s a program of complete condemnation, abuse, control and fear mongering

@thesoberheathen 6 месяцев назад

I feel like I’m elbows deep in the big book as far as knowledge. I used it for years. I do NOT use AA at all for myself. I have a decent following in X and would love to chat on the podcast sometime about this!

@HabitsV2 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for the offer. We don't have that style of video as yet.

@dunotrustistrue5565 11 месяцев назад

Great talk, Kevin, but a relationship God is unbeatable. AA is based on Christian principles but throws God under the bus.

@ralphhallam8546 Год назад

true dat

@marilinwisbey7403 7 месяцев назад

Habit totally agree , what about a man from USA, 46 years sober and clean, went out and drunk. relapsed.

@ShannonFreng 10 месяцев назад

All you have to do is see how agog, too many who love AA, get about it, to see there's probably something cultish about it. Kevin's matter of fact style is not annoying, as are too many others, on this subject.

@tarahall3551 Год назад

Amen..thank you for your candid comments about AA. I will add that it's also not an organization designed to support women... Being that the big book was written by 2 guys in the 30s

@davidresch390 Год назад

Bill W was a con man....do your research! Lol! Take care

@richardjohnson2692 10 месяцев назад

When AA is saying to believe in a door knob as your higher power, something is wrong.

@Bretski126 5 месяцев назад

I understand AA is pseudo religious. I went to meetings in the eighties. I’m 70 and drink two bottles of wine a day. I like the buzz. Like Kevin, I’ve used exercise to escape (running and the gym). But, my sobriety is really fragile. I’ve tried to express, at those meetings, that I have no belief in God or religion. I was met with patronizing comments that I would eventually ‘see the light’. Which kind of pissed me off. Met some great people there, however, whom I reflect upon today with fondness and love. I’ve moved away and some of them have passed. The fellowship was the coolest thing to me. All the Step stuff was just bullshit. Like you said, it’s Oxford religious shit. I don’t buy an ounce of it. Ain’t got long to go,anymore. If I ever had a Spiritual journey, it was the faith in good people doing heroic deeds in the face of murderous oppression. Such as selfless acts of courage in helping other people during times of suffering in human history. Action, because of a belief in human dignity and decency. I hope the Crystal Ship is filled with these people, if I get there. I’d love to have a chat.

@JohnGalt1960 Год назад

It's a cult! And I'm a member 26+ years? Praise Bill W!

@marilinwisbey7403 7 месяцев назад

😮??? What happens if a member has no communication? Ie, power goes down?, trouble woth plugs and lead, internetwork, it happened to me, " my way out was " serentity prayers, and not picking up over a traumatic challenge in my 6 month of sobriety.

@marilinwisbey7403 7 месяцев назад

Its all down to oneself, it has helped me will stay for one year, plus there is no way im gonna accept sorries for being raped, or nearly shot at!

@stefneespringnursery7948 Год назад

What scares me about this video is I’m afraid that you don’t believe in a God that’s what this video seems to tell me

@HabitsV2 Год назад

I really don't have any idea if or not a god exists. My intelligence doesn't stretch that far, unfortunately. I do try to act as if one does though :)

@gregggrinnell6919 10 месяцев назад

The thing I like about AA is it states quite clearly that if you can quit with out AA then “we tip our hat to you”. I always joke that is it a cult? Well if it is it does a bad job of being one. Now I have been to some toxic AA meetings that I didn’t care for, so I went to a different one. I like it because it is anarchist as hell. The meetings I’ve gone to have always stated that the steps are “only suggestions”. For me the desire to drink left me rather quickly but I stayed because the final step 12 suggests that you help others…so I help others. Does it work for everybody…god no, people don’t like the patriarchal feel of some meetings, some don’t like the whole “higher power” thing (I’m an agnostic and I have no problem with the idea of a reliance on other rather than thinking I always know best) But the thing that it gave me was some simple steps to being a better person: working on your “character defects” (very 1930’s wording), making amends for wrong doing, helping others in general and specifically if they want to quit drinking. I applaud anyone who tries to quit drinking (assuming it’s a problem). Whatever works, works. These are my opinions only…no one speaks for AA as a whole really. Love to you all and good luck.

@Rick40years 8 месяцев назад

I'm guessing that AA started out as a great solution given that there were no other solutions at the time. It then morphed into shaming the people who were looking for help. The big book was/is a brilliant insight into the mind of the problem drinker. However the powerless piece and self blame kept me trapped. It didn't work for me.

@JohnGlen502 5 месяцев назад

Good point. It was a necessary first attempt but that doesn't mean it's beyond needing revision.

@aujax1 Год назад

if i couldve gotten sober alone, without a program, i wouldve. aa is incredibly helpful not just to stop drinking or drugging, but to grow and thrive as a healthy human being.

@dougdeepdown 5 месяцев назад

They kept getting upset when i continually said "Hi, I Am"...

@adamy3834 4 месяца назад

I went for many years. I believe it helped somewhat in the beginning but the cultish constant revisiting the same talk tracks over and over and over and over and over again no longer served me.

@patrikstewart6059 4 месяца назад

I agree with your thoughts of AA being a cult...cultish..organized patriarchal methods....my abuse male parent was in aa....all it did was transfer one addiction to another...he found something else to make him mean and abusive...

@joshgreer3527 Год назад

I went to aa meetings for 3 years some were good some were bad the thing I hated was the one that would seem like they were bragging about everything they drank or the ones who would cry for 20 minutes made everyone uncomfortable or there were300 people in one room had to stop going when covid started can't really find any good meetings now and I get kinda edgy since I've had covid 3 times

@hatchet8209 11 месяцев назад

Basically it is just controlling yourself. I look at alcohol as training I have control.

@zzygyy Год назад

AA is good for those who need it.

@HuFilms Год назад

It depends on how you look at it. Some people obsess over it and treat it like a religion. Others take it more casually. At the end of the day, going into a room full of other people that can relate to your problems and opening up and speaking to them, is quite a positive thing to do. One think about AA is, it kinda keeps the fear in you and this works. If you don't do the AA route and hang out with normies who drink, chances are it'll affect you and you might return to drinking.

@HabitsV2 Год назад

It's the 12 steps that I can't get behind. I think in the short term, meetings are beneficial. But I can't see the benefit of them in the long term. I don't think you should be hanging around with people who drink either way. I still know plenty of people who drink but wouldn't dream of going to a bar ot to someone's house while they were drinking, unless it's family - and even then I get out of there early. It would be like an ex smoker going outside with all the other smokers on the ciggie break haha

@timweedon2785 Год назад

You know what they do in meetings. Tell you you have to go to meetings everyday for the rest of your life and then talk about how amazing the meetings are. That's it. There is nothing beneficial about meetings at all unless you enjoy infiltrating a cult of mentally ill people. I personally do like that I joined a cult lol. Its useless to stop drinking though but hllafious and crazy af and interesting and it's safer than scientology and social justice warriors. It's a toxic cult full of narcissists and sociopaths and lonely old people and weirdos though

@HuFilms Год назад

@@HabitsV2 yeah, I agree. Out of sight out of mind so to speak. I'm spending a fair bit of time alone lately with work as I work from home so the odd morning where I go to a meeting does me no harm as the interaction is good and we have a good chat about other stuff too. I haven't done the 12 steps or had a sponsor and maybe do 2-3 meetings a month. So I'm not a major AA head. But I often wonder if I'd got the 6 years sobriety that I have if I didn't go down that route. Hope all is good man, fellow Irish RU-vidr here who has a camera channel. Feel free to drop me a note anytime if you want to know anything about camera kit.

@mdoomsday23 Год назад

I wish I could join Habits. Lost my job and have a wife with cancer stage 4. Can’t afford to join with no money coming in

@dalesmith6666 Год назад

He's got so many videos on RU-vid to view. They will help you for free. Sorry to hear about your wife's cancer. 😔

@reinierweerts6923 Год назад

@@dalesmith6666 It's not the same though, having a fixed schedule of 2 video's a day helps a lot. Been there, done it. My last message got deleted unfortunately, probably due to spam concerns. I just want to help him get started. @JackBlade Gaming, feel free to reach out.

@leeleeturn Год назад

AA has been a lifesaver for me. The honest and cathartic sharing in meetings meant everything when I first came in, desperate and alone. Then AA became a source of close friends and a fun social life to this previously anxious, isolated person. Maybe y'all have been going to bad meetings? If there's one drawback about AA is that it's strictly lay people, so you can come across non- nurturing meetings, groups, and individuals. I learned to shop around and actually enjoyed it a lot doing so. There are as many different "flavors" of groups as there are people. If I didn't feel completely welcomed, or "feel the love", I crossed that one off my list. I found clubs and groups that were amazing. My home group is like family. It makes me happy just being around them. Congratulations to any and everyone who has been able to give up problem drinking, however you accomplished it.

@timburton9514 4 месяца назад

Day 97!

@murphmurph2124 11 месяцев назад

It's myth and superstition

@mattjagger4360 9 месяцев назад

I'm not an addict. Years clean now. I wasn't an addict before. AA/NA said it was an incurable disease. And I am an addict for life. No. For me. What I was...and I can still be, is a complete and utter wet. A snowflake. A b*tch. Poor little ole me. Gifted this life. And because of my lack of personal responsibility. I couldn't even cope with human feelings. Substances for me are what a dummy is for an infant. That coupled with dealing only in trauma. Trauma top trump games. Victim status. Woe is me. Moaning b*tching. Lazy. Weak meak bag of meat worthless, no use nor ornament. My own recovery was...I just grew up. I won't tolerate weakness in myself anymore around feelings. Anything that happened to me in the past, is in the past and no excuse to behave like a child now...in the present. Hiding from feelings by using escapism is the epitome of why I used substances. I deploy stoicism. A phsycologist. And I get on without repeatedly banging on about addiction. I don't tolerate being around negative tropes. Moaning. Whining. B*tching. I just get on. Like a man should. In blissful combat against the misery of existence forming moments of pure joy within it. For me. That's happiness. Misery and substance use...came from being spoilt and childish.

@shannonhughes610 Год назад

I've noticed many AA meeting where people are addicted to self destruction in the form of chain smoking cigarettes,coffee and AA meetings. AA is a great pattern interrupt and can help shift thr focus of a serious alcoholic temporarily and give them a new direction. I've known more successful AA types than not. However for some it is just another loop.

@craiganthonyhill 9 месяцев назад

Amongst the lions den, were you get better drinking tips Not a solution

@Veromoi4 Год назад

I will say aa works well for me. I don’t think it makes sense for everyone though. I don’t mind referring to myself as an alcoholic, it’s only part of who I am. I go to ACT therapy and I also do work on myself that has nothing to do with the 12 steps…(I work those too) I like the connection and support I get in AA. If someone leaves because it’s not a good fit for them, I absolutely support them because they know what’s best tor them not me. I know what’s best for me and aa works. I also don’t put all my eggs in one basket like I stated above. I do a lot Of reading and work on myself. I had a very crippling addiction to alcohol that fluctuated a lot over the years but alcoholism is a progressive disease so I will always identify with being an alcoholic. I am a little confused tho because you said people in aa continue to talk about alcohol and attend meetings for a long time but that is one hour a day if that… there’s 23 other hours in their day where they’re not discussing alsochol. you also post many many videos talking about alcohol recovery. How is that different? Just curious. A lot of the meetings I attend encourage talking about experience, strength and hope and how you stay sober. Idk I am just confused at your criticism. I also wanna point out that it’s important to have people with time in the rooms to show new people that it works. It also helps them be of service and help the very new suffering alcoholic.. it’s creating a culture of recovery from alcoholism and a community where people can serve one another. In my experience over two years in AA I don’t even talk about alcohol that often. We explain a lot about how to live life. I have experience attending meetings for over 2 years now and it definitely is wonderful and only adds good things to my life. Agree to disagree with you. And the very last thing I didn’t come onto your channel to argue. I actually searched your channel again because I had found you many years ago when I was struggling really bad with my alcoholism and you definitely helped me inch closer and closer to getting sober so thank you for playing a part in my recovery. thank you for everything that you do on this channel because it definitely is helping a lot of people.

@w8tingonu Месяц назад

It is a cult , not a solution but an alternative.

@Purist187 5 месяцев назад

Yeah Truth is the only one that can make you drug or drink is you Not the meetings Or the members Of the meetings Or not going to Said meetings 😂❤🎉 Bingo You’re Free

@bluefishjoe Год назад

I grew up in a cult. AA is a cult.

@Adrian-yi8fl Год назад

It's most definitely a cult.

@HM-hf7lw 11 месяцев назад

I think it’s great what you say and I really like your channel. But your videos are about alcohol years after you quit. So how do you not think about it still? Honest question. I really respect your work. I think you have a balanced approach.

@HabitsV2 11 месяцев назад

On a personal level? I've made about 1600 videos about stopping the flow of alcohol. For each of those videos, I'd say I've done at least five hours of reading or other research. After the first 6 months of doing that I knew there wasn't a hope in hell's chance I was ever putting that shite into my body again. Imagine where I am after 10 years of doing that. You are what you focus on. I don't focus on alcohol, I focus on helping people to see how they can live the best version of themselves. Stopping putting this poison into your body just happens to be the starting point 😀🙏

@robv.7864 11 месяцев назад

I have been sober for 17 years in AA and although there are some pockets of cultish thinking in general AA is not a cult. It definitely saved my life.

@user-ml9rs8kr4w 10 месяцев назад

Why do you still need AA after so long abstinent? Do you believe you will drink and die if you leave ? Cuz that’s cult 101

@shaneparker994 Год назад

I feel really awful for the people hating on the program. I just feel bad that your experiences werent as pleasant as mine :( all i hope is that you can find love in your life for all. The program has never made me feel bad about myself. I feel like I finally have access to my true self and now i have the privilege to help others get through the pain and self destruction that comes with dealing with alcoholism. Alcoholism is my best friend. Not my enemy. Its brought me to a purpose greater than anything i could have ever imagined. Hate less love more.

@HabitsV2 Год назад

There's no hate for AA here. I personally don't like to be told I am powerless when I know I'm not. Regardless of how you define yourself, what you identify as, you are still the only person who can take the decision not to put alcohol into your mouth AND the only person who can act to make that happen. So, you are fully in control of the alcohol and always were. If identifying as an alcoholic works for you, good for you. For a lot of people, it's an anathema

@gregggrinnell6919 10 месяцев назад

He he he. Right there with you. I used to hate the people saying “I’m a great fully recovering alcoholic “ now I understand the gifts it has given me. When I speak in a meeting I usually say the whole program can be reduced to one phrase “don’t be a dick”. Cheers brother.

@Atitlan1222 Год назад

It's not for everyone. I was a black out drinker when i started drinking at 16. Drinking and getting drunk was funny and cute until it wasn't anymore. ...and got led to AA. I went to shrinks to help me but I could never get honest with them. My brother brought me to a meeting and I sobered up in 9/12/88 and haven't drank since. Doing the steps was the first time I really got honest and looked into a mirror and stopped blaming others. I do lots of outreach in orderr to give back....no one at work knows I'm in AA...all my friends do....they drink....I don't care. Best of all my two children and my students have never seen me drunk....and for that I'm grateful. As for religion, I never go to church and have an understanding of God the fits for me. THere is no AA God by the way. If I were to guess most people are to some degree christian but thre are Jews in my local groups , I know a few muslims and the rest are agnostic. No one has ever pushed any organized religious bs on me....I saw it a few times but the older members shut them up. IT's not a perfect organization...lots of flaws but definitely has saved lives and families. If it doesn't resonante with you by all means go find a place, ideology, religion, medicationetc.....that will work. It's not the only show in town. Again....AA is not religion it a spiritual approach....a al Carl Jung.

@user-ml9rs8kr4w 10 месяцев назад

It’s definitely religion and spirituality is not a remedy for mental or emotional substance abuse! That’s quackery and AA is absolutely a cult that teaches powerlessness, fear and shame

@garymichaels7141 Год назад

Unfortunately, AA is a religious cult.

@lpsglitterpaws8536 Год назад

Cult!

@James-re6co Месяц назад

Christianity was a cult for about 300 years. All spiritual paths start out as cults. People think AA is about quitting alcohol but its not. It's about finding God. Alcohol is just standing in the way.

@Max-uo7xw Год назад

No such thing as an alcoholic. Anyone can moderate their drinking. Im an ex 12 stepper, and can drink moderately with no problem. AA is a very dangerous ideology. The freedom model is what i used, and is awesome.

@user-ml9rs8kr4w 10 месяцев назад

Amen

@RawandCookedVegan Год назад

Yeah but AA doesn't charge you. Kevin has turned this into his business.

@HabitsV2 Год назад

There's over 1500 videos here for you, all free :)

@RawandCookedVegan Год назад

@@HabitsV2 It's clear you've helped a lot of people. That's great.

@debbiethompson14 Год назад

However, you are doing the exact same thing. You are alcohol free, yet you are still speaking about alcohol and even make videos about it. Why? To help others find their way. Aa does the same thing. AA says, "Take what you need and leave the rest" and I do. 😊 🙏🏽

@HabitsV2 Год назад

It really saddens me that you think I'm doing the exact same thing. It really does. 😒

@jtbene14 Год назад

@@HabitsV2 I had a similar thought throughout this journey, but I’ve come to a realization over your approach vs AA. I’m 6 months off alcohol, and your videos really bolstered me in the first two months. I was scared and worried of the damage I was doing, and it was refreshing to hear your take on how life can be without the drink. I appreciated your take on not constantly reminding oneself that they are an alcoholic. I attended a few AA meetings recently to have a look, and decided it was not for me. I had to take a pause in your videos for a moment, as well, because I didn’t want to think about alcohol haha. You have a quandary. You cannot help people quit drinking without talking about alcohol. Your approach is much more holistic and empowering than the AA approach, which for me in my personal case, makes me feel weak and a little down on it. Keep up the good work, and thank you for all of your help! 6 months and counting man.

@HabitsV2 Год назад

@@jtbene14 Well done, Joshua

@kc-qs8qg Год назад

Kevin is helping others - aa comes from the Oxford Group of the 1930's, a religious (oc)cult group - 'take what you want & leave the test' - is simply another cult slogan, it can't be aa can it if you have to leave parts of it out - 'progressive indoctrination' is the goal of aa - batshit crazy, step 11 'conscious contact with god' hearing voices?, bloody hell - 3% success rate too - pure quack nonsense...

@debbiethompson14 Год назад

@k c I don't think it's necessary to bash others to boost your philosophy. If you chose a different path fine! Like the blacks say, "Do you Boo!!" But bash others for finding their way. "Keep the alcohol outta your mouth" is also a SLOGAN. SO WHAT!!! AA is also trying to help others ok 👍🏽 👌 I have found a great sisterhood in AA and it is is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN that alcoholism is a disease. YOU may not have it, but if someone is a true alcoholic their craves & obseeses over it so don't hinder them from getting help. People have DIED Tring to "control it" without help.