Is Aim Assist overpowered on controllers? | feat. BulletL 

Such an awesome piece of content from the FPS GOAT. Thanks for letting me weigh in on this topic and being part of the video!!

The biggest issue for MnK is not screenshaking, it's not visual clutter. Imo it's bullet punch. When you get shot at it makes your aim shake and jitter uncontrollably. This isn't an issue for controller players who stay locked onto the target, but it messes up your aim on MnK. Ditch bullet punch and reduce visual clutter and it solves a lot of problems for MnK

i remember when apex first came out, there was a way to turn down the muzzle flash by going into the game files. It was crazy how much better the game felt when you werent constantly being flash banged by your own weapon.

If a large portion of mnk pro players suddenly switch to controller, the AA is too strong. Simple as that. There is no competitive shooter where people change from years of mnk to controller, except there is AA on controllers.

"MnK players should just switch if they think AA is the crutch" has the same energy as "Just use aimbot if u cant fight my aimbot"

"but if the best players in the game switch to the worse input, then clearly something is wrong" THANK YOU, finally someone other than me said it "mouse and keyboard have so many advantages to be the better input" I kinda disagree, or more like, rephrase it: mouse and keyboard limit the players mechanical skills the least amount/they are the most representative of a player's skill level Personally, I think the advantage of controllers should be price and comfort (no need for desk, or not even a cable), for casuals it's perfect But if you want to test your limits M&K should be the way to go I don't understand how someone with a healthy competitive integrity would rather use the more hindering input but with software assistance over the input that actually represents their human abilities better. They are not esport athletes, they are business men

I have some thoughts as an mnk player that's tried roller in apex. I agree with some takes. Controller takes significantly less time to learn to be GOOD at than mnk does. In order to be at a competitive level on mnk, that usually takes thousands of hours worth of time. That's the discrepancy and what people do not like about roller; the significant lack of effort in order to reach a high level. Just leaves a bitter taste in peoples mouths. Rotational AA is majority the issue with controller, the zero ms reaction time that will practically aim for the player. I don't agree that someone's dad that came home from their 9-5 should be able to 1clip with ease with .4 or .6 just because they have it. It's not skill. It's not balanced. I do agree about the visual clutter in this game. It's horrific and another reason why roller has an advantage. Bullet is right about rotational AA, it needs to be tweaked or removed. No one needs as much AA as they currently have

The slowdown from getting hit by bullets is another factor in favor of controller players. It isn't enough that I get beamed with way higher accuracy than would be possible on MnK, but I will also not be able to reach cover a meter a way, because I will be completely glued to the ground with so many hits on me.

Aim assist used to slow your sensitivity down when you were aiming over people, nowadays it's just an aim bot. It's hard to remove aim bot once you have had it for so long, you'd have to slowly reduce it over time so the general players don't notice and get used to having to aim themselves slowly. Visual clutter has gotten really bad recently in games, everyone needs flashy shit for some reason now.

The only problem with aim assist is the rotational assist, when a piece of software removes the need for reaction time you lose all integrity in close range engagements

I believe removing screen clutter and screen shake is a big win if possible. What i would say is gyro controllers are becoming more and more accurate. I have seen some very impressive aimers on gyro controllers and still abusing AA. Controllers havent innovated in a long time in regards to aiming. I believe if the likes of sony and microsoft make gyro controllers this would allow for a significant AA nerf and start helping to level the playing field. Some games like Halo and MW2 the AA is even stronger than apex! Also in MW2 the screen shake and screen clutter is insane. Something has to be done to help level things out. I aim train and practice really hard on MnK to be good at aiming. Meanwhile controller players have reaction times built into their AA.

Shroud said it perfectly couple years ago, if it's money on the line like in a tournament every player should play on the same input like controller vs controller or m&k vs m&k. If you don't do that you create an un-even setting to play in which will hurt the tournament.

Mande, an ex Apex pro with over 8k hours played, says that a control player will 200 hours has a 50% chance to beat him in a 1v1 at close range. I can't think of any game without aim assist where that's possible. I'm an MnK player and I've spent maybe 20-30 hours player controller and feeling the aim assist for myself, especially at 4:3 sens. I can say from personal experience that even with so few hours on the input, it's incredibly easy to just spray someone for 70-100 damage, and the damage somehow feels faster. And that's without a mag. Times that by 3 and suddenly you got a high skill player getting shit on by a squad of new players. Saying the inputs are balanced only applies to the highest level. Aim assist gives low skill players way too much help, it makes thousands of hours of practiving on MnK borderline worthless.

there is no debate. you should never get any "help" from the game in any form

I actually never though of the visual clutter. Maybe it is the reason i got so tired of apex recently. I credited it to brs becoming stale, but you have a very good point about the stress it puts on mnk players. The instant reaction time is another point that blew me away, it's a gigantic advantage in cqc fights. I am a salty mnk player, but i believe that an input method that requires software assist to be viable is not a good input method. If controller has aim assist, why are scripts and macros banned on mnk then? That said i don't suggest giving mnk macros, which would just make the difference even higher. I believe the only way to have everyone be on the same playing field is to remove aim assist entirely and let controllers use gyro aiming.

I never thought I would hear a day where pro players had to switch to a controller in an fps game to be competitive. I do understand the input of having fun and an even playing field of non-competitive game modes and I am all for it if it makes the community more connected/makes it easier for friends to play together. However, this should never be a deciding factor for competitive gaming and I am quite shocked that this is a thing. Great content as always.

Its too late for Apex, but I hope developers take this as a situation that inputs need to be separated from the beginning.

One comment I have to this is: you're not most of the players. You clearly have a very refined aim and I think this is the reason why controllers don't bother you as much. For the average joe who's decent but just plays for fun - the auto aim feels like impossible to beat in certain situations.

We shouldnt also ignore the more casual players who dont aim for or cant reach high levels. I find it way more fun using mouse and it feels unfair to me playing against someone who has aim assist. I personally dont care which one is better, mouse or controller. Just set them aside, as the guy in the video said. Also the thing he said that "you either adapt or get left behind"- true but that is for the pro scene. I dont wanna master another input system that I dont enjoy just cuz it will give me the advantage. It is not fair thus it is not fun.

my biggest grip against AA as a mnk player is its ability to work through visual clutter and in back/foreground separation situations, for an extreme example i would have to almost strain my eyes to track someone where AA nudges your aim to give enough info for your brain to catch movement and track MUCH easier and really the only "omg controller player" moments i experience is when its so strong that you can't really out 1v1 someone with movement because AA reacts instantaneously to strafes, jumps, and slides my experience isnt just a single game and is situational as you can combat different playstyles directly across all shooters

Your controller has gyro, try giving it a whirl. Though valves software has been trash for years but it should give you the rough experince.

the solution is simple. Gyro aiming on controllers. anyone that has USE gyro aiming (like steam controller, ps5, pro controller on PC with steam input) knows its like 90% of aiming with a mouse.

My ideal solution to m&kb vs controller, is to remove aim assist and add support for gyro controls on future titles. Gyro controls bring skill back to fine aim in controller, while they remove the disadvantages mentioned like joystick zeroing or fixed sensitivity speeds. I'm mainly a M&KB player, but I've tried gyro controls where available and honestly I'm preferring them.

Aim assist is just the result of trying to fix the lack of innovation in controllers. Since Dualshock 1 the only thing that's changed is the addition of triggers otherwise it's pretty much the same controller layout for all platforms even though they added gyro to some controllers, Microsoft still sells the most basic barebones controller with 2x AA's in the box. If you are supposed to create a control scheme for your game that will work on every console then aim assist seems like the easiest thing to implement, this is why games like Apex and Fortnite suffer from aim assist being too strong. So in the end it's because some controllers didn't catch up with the competition that we are stuck with games helping players aim better because their controllers just aren't as good devices as they could be.

This issue ain't nearly as bad in Apex as it is in Call of Duty these days, however Call of Duty can't really be considered a "competitive" game in the same sense as Apex is. In Call of Duty the aim assist can work like a literal aimbot and the visual clutter/visual recoil for MnK is just insane. Mouse and keyboard just can't compete due to the same issues that plague Apex.

Thank you for saying jitter aiming is an exploit, Ive seen many people arguing that its “intentional” game design, when in any other game, shaking your mouse rapidly would only get you killed.

Hot take: They should remove aim assist completely and implement gyro aim. Everyone would have raw aim and controller would still be very competitive.

What a great video Zy. I've been around much like you, from the early days. I played Quake 3/CS for countless hours, but the big turn around for FPS was when Halo was released for XBox. Then practically EVERYONE I knew was playing FPS. It took me a while to get used to controller, but when XB-Connect and Halo for PC finally allowed us to play via link with my friends on XBox, it was a shut out. It was my and one other person on PC, and the rest on their individual XBoxes. And it was a slaughter. So much so that they wouldn't play with us. Of course when we were all on XBox, it was much closer to a fair fight. This led most people to believe that mouse and keyboard was "better". But I think that's the wrong way to put it. I think (at those times) mouse and keyboard was EASIER to get good with. If that makes any sense. These days, with aim assist being as strong as it is, it certainly feels like it's easier to pick up controller.

One significant advantage of AA on controllers is the fact that you have way less aim fatigue compared to having to firmly grip your mouse and having to constantly micro-adjust your aim. This is a big win for controllers, especially during stressing tournaments and long gaming sessions.

I think you're 100% right, they've made it a horrible experience for mouse and key while making casual controller players gods... It's such a stupid thing... I'd like for someone over at Activision to remove aim assist for controllers for a weekend, so controller players will figure out just how shite they truly are. They'll never do that though. Turning aim assist down even a quarter from how high they have it turned up now would be a good start for M&K. Great video RJN 👍

First of all, thank you for the video! I wasn't aware of the problems regarding the camera shake you brought up and they are a really important factor! I think it would have been beneficial to invite more people to a discussion, just to hear different points of view, as I personally completely disagree with the "adapt or get left behind" stance, if there is a need to adapt to play roller it shows that there is something wrong with the balance. To be clear, I am not against AA for controller, it needs AA, I think it needs to change so that it manipulates the micro moves you make instead of aiming for you.

I started playing apex on PS4 and I was beeming and lasering people. Then I bough my first PC and started playing with mnk. It took me around 1 year of practice, 300+hours in aim trainer to get to the aim level I got with controller kinda.. And its not even consistent at all. But then I needed to learn the movement as well. Get used to the keyboard on the left also.. It got me so annoyed that I quit playing apex, because I though it doesnt matter how much I practice.. I'll never be on the level of a controller player, because they don't have to practice that much as be better then you in aim. I switches to CS and valo, because of that. where I can only play against mnk player and I saw myself dominating. I hate apex for all the controller player, it really took the fun of me. Sometimes after a hard day I just want to chill and play my favourite games, but you can't do that in apex. A controller player will kill you so chilled he could sleep and beem you. On mnk you can practice as much as you want.. without focus you will kill no one. It's just not fun at all if you need to actuall tryhard to get kills while the controller players can just play and will kill you.

Controllers SHOULD be inferior in a competitive shooter game because of their design. Mouse aim is 100% affected by skill, so it would be unfair to lose to aim assist in any case. Like saying bad bicycles should get a small motorized assist for bike racing. And m&k can be cheaper than a controller, unlike in the bicycle example.

Gyro Aim. Nough said. The fact AA is so overpowered that the competitive scene has transitioned from MnK to sticks says it all. Gyro Aim mimicks a mouse for controllers and if implemented well, its highly intuitive and reactive while having the ability to cut out jitters. Ive heard that the Alpakka controller is amazing since it uses 2 Gyroscopes in its controllers (one in each handle) and is super intuitive. More devs (and players) should embrace gyro aim as an input type. Ive used it for some time now as a couch controller player.

As someone who never touched a controller and has master level aim on MnK I did the challenge and played at least 1 hour of controller every day for 1 month. Yes, there is downsides with reaction times and movement. If the AA locks on a target, they are pretty much gone already. They can keep it in game, that’s fine but separate the inputs. The playerbase is big enough to have MnK and Controller separated. Just like it was at the start of the game.

I think the big console devs need to start making controllers with a touch pad for the right stick, or even implement gyro controls Might sound like I'm trolling but I genuinely think those options are the future for controllers and have the potential to eliminate or heavily nerf aim assist

the solution is gyro aim. 14:23 more than possible with gyro aim

not watching the video yes its op to say otherwise is silly thanks

"it doesn't aim for you" next few words out the roller shitters mouth "its giving you small adjustments".... that is aiming for you no matter how marginal rotational assist at 0 ms response time is IT IS aiming for you. Its doing the hardest thing in the game (micro and macro adjusting for every movement made) constantly at inhuman reaction times.

Visual aspects of the game lol. When the aim assist does everything for you. Nice justification. Aim assist is there to dumb everything down so anyone without skill can play.

Something always bothered me that prevented me from trying Apex, and I think you figured out what my subconscious was telling me: it's too much flashing, jittering, and moving elements in the way of my focus. In a singleplayer game I can take a break, but in a game like this it's just full time disconcerting input deliberately getting in the way.

It's not about competitive integrity in these crossplay fps games. It's about money... If these company's allowed their player base to see their actual raw skill the player retention would drop. It would effect their bottom line so I know it won't change.. They got to keep the illusion of skill alive to farm people for cash. Billions to be made in these crossplay games. 0 ms tracking on strafing targets, while its making all the micros adjustments even if they are lagging is insane.... At this point I see no need to respect controller as in input at all.

I flat refuse to buy/play games that force you to play with aim assisters. I want a 1:1 matchup, if the enemy player owns me, at least I know they are ACTUALLY BETTER than me. I think you said it best, controller players are gamer dads who just want to have fun after work and aren't very competitive.

My main issue with aim assist is that if feels like it completely removes recoil. Another one is it appears there are no ifs/conditional codes included on aim assist (smoke, stuns, etc.). Its like the devs are lazy and put in there if within this bubble aim will always be in the middle. Also it shouldn't magnetize. For me for aim assist to be fair (there is still decent skill involved) it should just slow down the aim to stay in place.

The main issue with aim assist especcially in Apex is ability to tracking enemy while your apponent strafes. Even the best apex players cant predict every strafe enemy gonna make, when controller players track it 100%. Sad part if we devs rid of the aa player base gonna strugle a lot, i think it might be better if aa would be like 20-15% on pc

I think that the nature of recoil/spray patterns is also a huge part of why aim assist is so strong. When Apex makes every bullet slightly move your camera in a different direction, aim assist automatically making slight corrections for EVERY BULLET helps immensely. This is why, for example, if you watch top MNK players playing casual, even if they perfectly read the lower-level players movements, they will miss 2-3 bullets of the spray from recoil/reaction time to the enemy's strafes, whereas top controller players can consistently hit sprays where they don't miss A SINGLE BULLET. This was especially noticeable when guns like the R301 was meta; due to it's low recoil, the aim assist corrected the recoil so that top controller players like ChaoticMuch and others could hit crazy sprays very often, and no one could replicate it on MNK. Combine this with aim-punch and visual clutter, and this makes close-range SMG fights feel so frustrating for MNK players. The problem is, I have no clue how they would go about making controller sprays more like MNK sprays. The nature of a joystick is just so different than a mouse's.

A really interesting take that I have not really heard before and one I think has a lot of merit, however, until rotational aim assist has a latency added to it to make it less instantaneous I think it will still reign supreme. One other thing I think needs to be mentioned is the casual/new player. To have good tracking on a controller takes very little investment. A months worth of evenings. To develope the same competency on mnk takes hundreds of hours. That ought also to be a consideration. Aim assist makes it all but impossible for a new mnk player to compete and will drive many away long before they reach the competency to compete with an average controller player let alone a highly skilled one.

I disagree with all this. Aim Assist is really overpowered in games now, and it shows with top players. Battlefield is a great example of this, they broke aim assist and now you see console players top fragging insanely now, compared to before, and there KD stats have sky rocketed while m&k has lost KD stats. That's why many streamers and pros have stopped gaming competitively and played single player games

Controllers need to change with the times. I think that AA is a bandaid that just doesn't cut it anymore, it needs to be replaced with gyro.

why not separate the pools?

Any software that sits between the user's raw input and the game is a form of cheating. A software detecting and reacting ON ITS OWN to hitboxes is called Aimbot. Using game mechanics or equipment to disable or lower the strength of such software already tells you how unbalanced it is and should be nerfed/removed. Controller players can't aim, otherwise they would disable the assistance that makes them good.

Why does everyone act like Aim Assist is a necessity? Professional gamepad players should be prepared to use Gyro instead, especially with Gyro+ Look Flick. This is much better than relying on a controller scheme that requires Aimbot Assist.

non 100% human input does not belong to competitive world. Although I as above average mnk player am suffering in cross play (Cod), I can still bear it exists in casual play. But if any tournament allow AA compete with MnK, it's litterally shameful. Controller is not designed for FPS game. Just like a 10 years old kid cannot fight against an adult in octagon. But people give him a gun to make the game "fairer".

It's blatant AIMBOT, Ill never play games like that, not even casually

I absolutely cannot stand the "change or leave" mental, I'm gm vT player so will also stick to grind kb&m over lame controller. The problem is that why do gamers settle for terrible things, triple a games are 99% of the time bug infested year long betas riddled with microtransactions and the same mentality happens, "bro adapt or leave". Uhhhh no??? Ever aimer on the planet knows controller is cringe, the avg controller player can hit better tracking scores than like the top 1% of mouse aimers how can that possibly be fair and why should anyone just settle for that. What blows my mind is that you aim and play apex so much but have no solutions too??? BRO okay ill do it for you. Duh split communities (but thats bad so whats better), he said visual clarity but said nothing for it other than removes fires and stuff (but would this only be for pc? cuz then whats the advantage) instead why not give pc players the option to make everyone skins a bright color (like aim training targets that stand out) OR have some sort of extremely blatant outline that sits visually over everything (besides smokes obvious or similar masking abilities). Oh heres an obvious solution LOWER AIM ASSIST, better yet lower is specifically against pc targets and you can keep it the same against console targets. The fact he doesn't bring bullet punch or any solutions for that matter just makes me question his ability to actually aim, on controller the assist INSTANT reacts to all bullet punches, recoils, strafes, etc, most guns shoot fast enough such that it doesn't matter if you were literally the rank 1 aimer with a robot arm you CANNOT react to bullet punches like a controller can so why not remove this from pc. Overall pls never question someone who gives no solutions, is too fence sitty and scared to make a stance on if he thinks they should stay or change, and thinks that one tracking clip is super hard (its not get better at aiming or ig like u said might wanna adapt to controller pepeLaugh) gave me a chuckle.

12:17 - Yep. Visual clutter, visual recoil etc. has crept into FPS games and it's super annoying. Most games require a centre point / crosshair to keep track... One game (Battlefield V) was tied to weapon sights rather than centre screen, so when moving it wasn't centre. Spread-to-recoil conversion as well meaning the gunplay was random. Lol!

I've been saying it for a while, if players in mixed input game like Apex are continuing using controller, despite saying crap, but again continue to use that input, must be for a reason. Like no shit, it's like it's good or very good for some reason hmm, it's like there's some assistance to it that is more than good enough or something. I laughed so hard when I saw before how many actually use it in pro league, I knew there was decent amount, but literally most, it's an absolute joke. Seen so many meme encounters, which would've ended up completely different if you would know which input enemy has, like icon above or something. But at certain situations, it's just like oh yeah, you can feel you get shot by a controller. It's so obvious. You can also feel the tick rate of servers, just to add. But yeah, mixed input has no place in competitive game, game is just not competitive or good then. Fear of separating inputs or not having them both to so called have more players wouldn't really be a good argument, really as we see it backfires and game by such design is worse. While I blame mentality of some people still not understanding this, I also blade devs that have no balls or understanding to separate inputs or just make a game for M&KB only. There's no balancing act between inputs. The fact that over so many years we're even discussing and seeing debates about this in some popular titles is mindblowing to me. Especially after so many vids/streams etc. that prove stuff constantly. Trying to "balance" things out or so called nerf whatever is pointless. If a game must continue to have both inputs separate them completely, be it for online and LAN play. Also yes the screen shake nonsense and more flashy stuff needs to go. Anyway, Hyperscape was way better Apex in every single way, both performance, netcode, balance, revive, heal, map, third partying issue, etc. Released kinda late and at bad times between some games, also people are always reluctant to switch sadly and people cried that game was too fast, so game died.

The problem with this is that different games handle aim assist in different ways. Some games I've played literally feel like you have aimbot while others it doesn't make a massive difference. For example I played with the same controller on fortnite mobile and on PC and by comparison mobile literally felt like it was aiming for me. So I think aim assist is necessary to have controller be at least somewhat viable against keyboard and mouse but it shouldn't be so broken that keyboard and mouse become completely obsolete.

Remove aim assist above platinum rank and equivalent mmr for unranked = fixed Using a program that automatically responds and aims for you with zero milliseconds (0ms) delay and is immune to visual clutter would generally be considered unfair and against the principles of fair play in most competitive FPS games. The use of such programs, commonly known as aimbots or cheats, undermines the integrity of the game and creates an unfair advantage over other players. These programs essentially remove the skill and effort required for precise aiming and gameplay, giving an unfair advantage to the user. Game developers and communities actively combat cheating by implementing anti-cheat measures to detect and penalize those who use such programs. Cheating not only goes against the rules of the game but also diminishes the experience for other players who are seeking a fair and competitive environment. It is important to respect the rules and guidelines set by game developers, as they strive to create an enjoyable and balanced experience for all players. Engaging in fair play and developing one's skills through practice and experience is an integral part of the gaming community.

Actually, even for fighting games, keyboards are turning out to be better than people thought traditionally and newer fighting game controllers are inspired by keyboard inputs (no joy stick or dpad).

Controller with aim assist is like people in a cooking competition preferring using a 100 year old oven to cook their food instead of a modern oven and expecting and demanding the judges to give them a 10x multiplier in points because they are using worse equipment. If people prefer to use controller then sure but it isn't reasonable to expect other people to have a disadvantage because you chose a worse equipment. Now i don't even care that much if games have aim assist for controller or not but it is delusional for people to EXPECT and DEMAND that and think it is fair. Aim assist isn't fair and thats okay. Some people don't have to make the switch as they are used to playing on controllers and gaming companies are trying to satisfy those people and that perfectly reasonable. But lets not delude ourselves into thinking that it is fair or reasonable. I don't which what takes more skill is a factor as it shouldn't matter how easy or hard controllers are but should base it on logic. If i am playing a first person shooter on a steering wheel no matter how hard or easy it is with aim assist, doesn't change the fact it is unreasonable to demand everyone to give me auto dodge + aim lock because it is not appropriate to use a steering wheel to play a first person shooter.

and on top of that 99% of top rank players using chronus zen with norecoil scripts which is allowed... Apex is doomed

Aim assist is ruining today's FPS experience. The goal being to know how to aim, there is no need for help, assistance on the pretext that a device is not made for that. The controller is not made to play an FPS, it comes from consoles, business history.. we had to find a way to play an FPS with a controller. And if we put a semi aimbot? At a certain percentage... what a good idea... (damn). We must separate these two devices, or at least leave the choice to choose! Personally, I don't want aim assist in my games. Most playing FPS today with a controller have never known any other way to play it, always with assistance, they do not know the time spent on the keyboard mouse to have a correct level.

We can get rid of aim assist if people embrace Gyro aiming.

Unless there is financial incentive things will never change, we will all stay putting 1000’s of hours into aim practice and getting dogged on by people with 100 hours total lifetime gaming experience because they are the bigger group and they have more money and they want to feel like they’re winning when they play. It’s so frustrating but ultimately as games become more accessible and casualified sweats and the core community will just get pushed to the side in favour of money money money.

Great video, but I'd disagree with BulletL that we would accept a movement nerf in exchange for an AA nerf - movement is balanced enough right now, and lowering its potential and skill ceiling would never be healthy. Superglides and many other movement techniques are possible for skilled controller players, especially if you use steam configs, and attacking emergent mechanics the community has discovered (even ones that are somewhat MnK exclusive) wouldn't be popular. Cleaning the screen up and removing visual clutter would give MnK the same smooth gameplay as roller, and allow us to focus on raw aim. Approaching the problem with a buff is an infinitely better solution to attacking everyone with nerfs

"just let me aim" I love this line. LOL

Great video! I have 3k hours and play both mnk and controller. What i learned is that aim assist is OP if you understand how it works and use it where it is strongest. (Stand in corner and widepeek with a beam weapon like r99 when you hear footsteps) I started out on controller but didnt utilize aim assist when i switched back after playing 1500 hours mnk i started using aim assist to its fullest and i have never gotten so many oneclips in my life. I played classic first and then changed to 4-3 Linear(op af). As a player on both inputs i think high lvl controller players should be nerfed somehow, but new players should gain full assists. sidenote i think high ping controller players are the scariest ingame (Genburten)

Its an FPS game. If you cant aim in a damn FPS game you SHOULD be at a disadvantage. Remove aim assist or HEAVILLY nerf it.

Yes, it is

sadly, the players nowadays couldn't handle on simple quake3 was. They gotta have it all, real life weapons with recoil. If they jump in a game they just get smashed and quit. But somehow they contiune to play life like guns. rank off. aim assist not going away, use k&m players just gotta play games (like battlebit) that don't have controller support (i.e. aim assist). I really miss the way quake3 had the crosshair, sadly things changed. Arena shooters are dead, and the new gamers won't be playing them (quakes and unreals i mean). I hate aim assist.. but it's what companies are making massive amount of money on, it's not going away. Just gotta find a new hobby.

Based on my comparison, the best way to explain AA’s advantage is that on controller it’s more forgiving for imprecise aim. Like with MNK you have to be more precise with aiming and compensating for things like bullet travel. But on controller there’s times where shots hit when maybe it shouldn’t. And with ALC you can basically “tune” out overshooting your aim.

I feel like MNK takes a lot of effort to get to a certain level of aim, and to get to that level on controller with aim assist takes less effort.

Destiny 2 has the same problem where AA is far too strong and sticky, with a large hitbox and reaction to button press way off target, so much people massively started using chronus zen, and xim to use mnk with the aim assist.

Console players in complete denial and constantly say skill issue.... Take off the aim assist and see if you got any skills or not.

Great video but you missed the third input which is gyro aiming. Imo it's what controller players should start learning. There will be no need for aim assist when people start getting good with it

Now how does gyro play into this? Especially the part about rocket jumps and whatnot. I personally think it should be adopted more as it closes the gap and doesn't require aim assist.

AA kicks in when u do move the aiming stick, so the anti mirror is a better choice rather then the mirror strafe you did

I'm so sick and tired of being beamed down by a guy with a controller through 2 thermite grenade, when I can't even see him myself to shoot back properly :\

aim assist = cheating.

Apex is such a step down in terms of skill ceiling to titanfall 2, the movement is so much more slower.

Playing shooter games where the aiming is done FOR you is like ordering a steak dinner and saying you cooked it

I've always believed that the rotational AA was a little too strong on controller, but I never really considered the jerky camera and recoil difference. I thought it was because mouse input was more direct and it was my aim being shaky.

controller is easily more op when you include configs, controller configs easily outclass mnk configs, and mnk as a whole.

Long time viewer, Really good video. I quit Apex because of multiple things, one of them being that the meta became controller first, and as such feeds into the Devs caring about controller gameplay more than K/M. I feel like there should be a separation in K/M and Controller atleast in Ranked or Comp(or maybe even remove/lower Aim Assist in those modes) because as of right now its really straight up stupid to even play the game, every gunfight feels unfair(either in my favor or the enemy's) which for me is just not fun. I got back into Arena shooters because of this but realized that the Genre has died but I still enjoyed Doom 2016 MP(IK its not a "Pure" arena shooter but i like the balance of modern features and progression and the classic gameplay style). As bloodhound says "There's Purity in simple Combat" That applies perfectly to Arena shooters ironically XD.

Controllers need to be reworked and rebuilt. Instead of rightstick they must get nice and precise touchpad(not crappy as laptops have) and gyro. Aim assist must be removed. I am gyro controller player via app called Rewasd and when i playing with ingame controller setting with aim assist it's freaking ridiculous how massive is help of aim asssist.

Should have been input based from the beginning. No side will ever be happy.

Unfortunately Cronus Zen takes the whole controller situation to another level and its why I dont got respect for anyone who uses that shit.

They’re two different inputs with their own advantages and disadvantages. There’s no way they could ever be made equal. I personally think they should just separate them into two different lobbies. That’s just me though

I think they just shouldn't have people with different inputs in the same game

the most broken part of aim assist vs mnk is how little effort you put in order to one clip someone in apex versus mnk. It doesnt tire you out at all vs mnk.

playing modern games like this with all the clutter, noise and annoying camera movements really frustrates you when you have a lot of experience in older games that didn't have all this stuff. even a more modern game like dirty bomb managed to look modern for it's time without being as frustrating to play as something like Apex

How to solve this issue. LITERALLY have different servers for only Controller players and M&K players. Controllers are fundamentally played differently compared to M&K. Only make it crossplay if PC player has a controller playing the game.

Any game with aim assist shouldn't be considered a competitive game.

I learnt aiming fundamentals in CSGO over a period of 4 years. After a year of playing Apex, I can comfortably say my aim is in the exact same place as before. I've gotten better at handling weapons, but my aim is the exact same. I haven't given it much thought but this video is a start.

No fair, my aim bot in my controller is not outperforming your raw talent!

Either no cross plat, or fine tune the way aim assist works. Do not move crosshair without player input. Slow the sens to stick with enemies ONLY if they are pushing the joystick in the same exact direction. Imagine playing badminton and your opponent did perfect corner smashes every high ball you played. With good players, all they need to do is mixup drop shots and you'll struggle so much against them. Thats what aim assist does to competition

"adapt or get left behind" is such a lame statement, it should never come down to that.

Aim Assist should only initially assist to the target after maintaining crosshair near the target for 200ms "or the average human reaction time". After said time of 200ms the aim assist should incrementally fall off of assisting 25% every 50ms giving the player aim assist for another 200ms.

i think you definitely summed up perfectly why i love watching god-tier aimers and movement players and think i want to play apex, but then jump into the game and hate it. It's not just that they're good, but that in the clips they choose to use in videos, they have risen above all the forced camera movement and visual clutter and it looks so smooth. But in reality most of the time those things will get in the way for everyone, they've just curated these clips where it either isn't an issue or they're lucky and manage to aim through it. When you try to do what they do it's infuriating because the thing that is hindering you is not your own skill but something outside of your control.