IS ALICE BETTER NOW? 

that's just asking for more unbalanced heroee

@@aprettydumbperson Her ult had a long cd before and had limited duration. It was pretty much easy to bait her ult if you picked the right hero. She was still balanced before.

and that even consume just too much mana cost , for a lil damage and lifesteal and small area of damage

@@aprettydumbperson but make alice fall right at the bottom of all nerfed lifestealer heroes ,, and with that mana cost 😂😂 .. old alice is on par with nerfed valentina , and nerfed valentina still fcking tanky and annoying

alucard and alice used to be my main hero ,, after change their lifesteal become very useless ,, good old days solooing 1v5 using alucard

Now it heals like 50-100

They made her useless for no reason, from once a gold lane carry to a redundant Aldous.. 😢

Also when her second skill was stun not immobilize.

Plus with good damage

Op. Also you can use the item that increases heal, it's green color. I forgot the name.

she able heal multiple at the same time. Yeah she only heal around 100 but her ulti can last for 30 second. 100×30 =3000 If you hit 2 or 3 : 3000×2 =6000 3000×3 =9000

Old Alice was far better, she only required 2 items to have Powerspike

@@nasidodge3489 You forget that one- Range and tick damage are things you need to consider as well as Anti-Heal. As well as Overall HP. Your numbers are too simple and inaccurate.

Yeah if you noticed Elgin's video none of the enemies had anti heal so yeah I have a feeling Alice ain't that powerful

It's not insignificant, her passive allows her 2k hp maxed. She is a frontliner and thrives with equipment that increase her hp. Her heals are very significant when you set the enemy team and use frozen. She is very deadly imo, she was just nerfed as a mage, but as a high hp offtank. She is very very buffed.

much better or much broken?

@@fmentertainment928 "broken"? You don't know what you're talking about

@@darkfyre1618 She was broken before her revamp, nowhere near balanced. Yall just love calling your fav hero balance even when they are broken and stupidly overpowered.

@@fmentertainment928 You just called old Alice "broken" even though she used to be among the most underrated and balanced heroes. You are delusional.

@@fmentertainment928 calling old alice as broken is the most dumbest thing ever. Lol back then you should know when to drop your ult, have knowledge or even know how to manually pan the camera, and aim first. Alice was never OP she used to be one of the most balanced/ team oriented mage back in the days. Off topic from those dumb comments of yours, i also don't know why they're nerfing her to the ground. She's not overpowered and not even picked frequently.

She always was team dependent.

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@@CosmicComicChronicles no she is one of the few mages that can actually carry the game cuz of her sustain and excellent mobility, plus she clear lane very fast

@@bizzlowthxx Nope, many other mages that can actually carry. I've played her over 5k times. I know what I'm talking about. Her playstyle is way too risky to be an actual carry.

try building enchanted talisman, or demon boots, but try to last hit minions.

i mean focus on magic pen???? her ult damage is low due to magic defence,but with magic pen,it deals alot of damage for squishy mage like xavier at max level and full build, her burst build is only 339 magic damage per ult tic(with damage based on hp) but with magic penetration,it becomes 509 magic damage per tic, tic mans:per damage over time alice ult deals 150 + 1.5 max hp per every 0.5 seconds (base damage at max level) so magic penatration is a big must for alice to deal damage to tanky and squishy enemies, (but be warned youll be very suishy if she is full damage,) her base defence stats are laughably for a tank/mage her physical defence(base) is only 60 while magic defence(base) is only 45 45 magic defence is a base defence of a full level xavier so yeah that alos explains her lack of durability a meelee hero base magic defence is 70 - 65 while physical defence is 75-90 so thats why there tanky early game i have a build for her tho- clock of destiny winter truncheon glowing wand genius wand devine glaive lightning truncheon(based on your play style) (reason why theres no boots is because on 50 stacks she gains 40% extra movement speed(total to boots) you can change lightning truncheon to concentated energy if your based on sustain since her heal is laughable , domincance ice for anti heal or more mana, ice queen wand for more slow, if you love pain and a psychopath, change winter truncheon for holy christal for more first skill damage or second skill damage. but i chose lightning truncheon as her first skill will deal almost 3000 magic damage (3k) if hit with lightning trucheon passive, she could easily triger its max passive damage (which is 1000 or 1k) and its focused on burst damage a base hp of a full damage max level layla on damage build is 4890 so if alice first skill on this build + lightning truncheon passive and layla will be left on 1000 + hp (1k ) if trying this build, alice is squishy. but who cares if your always in there backline bursting there squishies, also thats why i added winter truncheon truncheon, to act as a defensive build plus this is only for mid alice. since side lane she could do nothing but need double the time she needs to reach 50 + stacks on mid lane to get that 40+ extra movement speed. i know her healing on ult is trash as i tried every possible heal build on her the build i tried is here for max heal (clock of destiny, oracle, concentrated energy, holy christal, ice queen wand,bloodwings the heal is 398 per nemy hit) for full magic life steal build here it is (concentrated energy, ice queen wand, neclace of durance, shadow twin blade, holy chrisytal , blood wings the heal is 368 per enemy hit as she focus on magic lifesteal so her damage is low in result of her focus on magic lifesteal) and all this with out anti heal for her balanced build it goes (clock of destiny, winter truncheon, glowing wand, oracle, holy christal, blood wings the heal is 365 per enemy hit, this build is good also if you want to go front line as a secondary tank) i tested this build on 155 stacks of blood orbs since its impossible to get 200 blood orbs in real match ^u^ so yeah her heal is laughable for a sustain mage and her base stats is pretty laughable so she needs those defencive items if you want to go side lane it took 45 minutes to test all of this in practice mode- (cause you need to wait for clock of destiny paassive to reach max, tho her orbs are easy to get by killing a bunch of layla idle bots{stop layla abuse} and had to wait for the narrator saying SAVAGE for like 3 minute straight and manage to keep my sanity in all of this- plus the full life steal build i tried second and was stupid since i should have tried it last for my clock of destiny,so i had to wait again for like 3 minutes for my clock of destiny to reach max stacks again. not to mention if killing an enemy you get extra 2 orbs which i always test the performance of this build for 5 minutes so yeah- enjoy my research and have fun also my friends outside is traumatized in the quarantine and now is always stuck on roblox, there are barely any people outside, i sometimes go on daily walks on the morning- to afternoon. so yeah i touched grass-

@Tom Harris i played this new alice 30+ times and i tried everybuild even without clock of destiny and i am sure the new alice needs alot of magic pen especially RADIANT ARMOR exist, especially with the new glowing wand she needs magic pen to deal maximum of her ult damage to squishy. i did burst build and only the first and second skill benifited but the ult is useless i did magic pen + glowing wand, and it hurst alot, squishies cant even stay for 2.5 seconds or they die (with lighting truncheon and 127 stacks of alice passive) try it yourself and youll see

@@athenalim8083 what emblem did u use?

your joke made me like:💀(but i mean.. their not lying tho-😂) this was in my mind

Alice master of strategy but not master of lifesteal it's really stupid since she's a literal frickin vampire /blood demon 💀

@@chent5463 she even turn Balmond into a Blood orc

i mean focus on magic pen???? her ult damage is low due to magic defence,but with magic pen,it deals alot of damage for squishy mage like xavier at max level and full build, her burst build is only 339 magic damage per ult tic(with damage based on hp) but with magic penetration,it becomes 509 magic damage per tic, tic mans:per damage over time alice ult deals 150 + 1.5 max hp per every 0.5 seconds (base damage at max level) so magic penatration is a big must for alice to deal damage to tanky and squishy enemies, (but be warned youll be very suishy if she is full damage,) her base defence stats are laughably for a tank/mage her physical defence(base) is only 60 while magic defence(base) is only 45 45 magic defence is a base defence of a full level xavier so yeah that alos explains her lack of durability a meelee hero base magic defence is 70 - 65 while physical defence is 75-90 so thats why there tanky early game i have a build for her tho- clock of destiny winter truncheon glowing wand genius wand devine glaive lightning truncheon(based on your play style) (reason why theres no boots is because on 50 stacks she gains 40% extra movement speed(total to boots) you can change lightning truncheon to *concentated energy* if your based on sustain since her heal is laughable , *domincance ice* for anti heal or more mana, *ice queen wand* for more slow, if you love pain and a psychopath, change winter truncheon for holy christal for more first skill damage or second skill damage. but i chose lightning truncheon as her first skill will deal almost 3000 magic damage (3k) if hit with lightning trucheon passive, she could easily triger its max passive damage (which is 1000 or 1k) and its focused on burst damage a base hp of a full damage max level layla on damage build is 4890 so if alice first skill on this build + lightning truncheon passive and layla will be left on 1000 + hp (1k ) if trying this build, alice is squishy. but who cares if your always in there backline bursting there squishies, also thats why i added winter truncheon truncheon, to act as a defensive build plus this is only for mid alice. since side lane she could do nothing but need double the time she needs to reach 50 + stacks on mid lane to get that 40+ extra movement speed. i know her healing on ult is trash as i tried every possible heal build on her the build i tried is here for max heal (clock of destiny, oracle, concentrated energy, holy christal, ice queen wand,bloodwings the heal is 398 per nemy hit) for full magic life steal build here it is (concentrated energy, ice queen wand, neclace of durance, shadow twin blade, holy chrisytal , blood wings the heal is 368 per enemy hit as she focus on magic lifesteal so her damage is low in result of her focus on magic lifesteal) and all this with out anti heal for her balanced build it goes (clock of destiny, winter truncheon, glowing wand, oracle, holy christal, blood wings the heal is 365 per enemy hit, this build is good also if you want to go front line as a secondary tank) i tested this build on 155 stacks of blood orbs since its impossible to get 200 blood orbs in real match ^u^ so yeah her heal is laughable for a sustain mage and her base stats is pretty laughable so she needs those defencive items if you want to go side lane it took 45 minutes to test all of this in practice mode- (cause you need to wait for clock of destiny paassive to reach max, tho her orbs are easy to get by killing a bunch of layla idle bots{stop layla abuse} and had to wait for the narrator saying *SAVAGE* for like 3 minute straight and manage to keep my sanity in all of this- plus the full life steal build i tried second and was stupid since i should have tried it last for my clock of destiny,so i had to wait again for like 3 minutes for my clock of destiny to reach max stacks again. not to mention if killing an enemy you get extra 2 orbs which i always test the performance of this build for 5 minutes so yeah- enjoy my research and have fun also my friends outside is traumatized in the quarantine and now is always stuck on roblox, there are barely any people outside, i sometimes go on daily walks on the morning- to afternoon. so yeah i touched grass-

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pretty simple skills, such as all heroes. building her is another story, have to really pick the correct items since she is now more flexible in terms of items

@@ahmadhamidi5560 more flexible lol, the whole point of this is to build her more tanky amd force mana on her, she was more flexible before and is az now, no dmg, not a tank, cant burst backline either, only good for tank vs tank fights.

@@R0M97 I agree. She's not a tank. High HP pool but low defense doesn't make a tank.

@@R0M97 They should've made her ult deals damage from her hp, not based on enemy's hp. Since she can get more hp now, this would make her deal good damage on squishes and not only on tougher heroes.

@@sukanasiikanmasinjer6670 I like that. Gives the players a reason to try and stack as much as possible and as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, the stack is capped.

thats true but honestly compared to other midlaners, her early game damage and poking skills cant compare to like nana and other mages. Her first skill is too slow and small to hit the enemy consistently and her second skill is short ranged as well. That can be good against fighters in exp lane tho but then again she has other problems as well. I really think alice is not a good hero anymore which sucks cuz she honestly carried me to epic IV. The only thing that can fix her imo is just changed her skills again or make her skills now better with a new item or a revamped queens wings or blood wings, which to be frank no one uses both anyways so why not make it useful to alice like war axe is to aulus

yea in terms of stacking but honestly alice is supposed to be a tanky sustain hero, which mainly go to exp, and mid is supposed to be burst/high early magic dmg. alice going mid would help stack but honestly her early game would be shit and so would her late game dmg.. shes like a tank cecilion except shittier

Ur missing something she can't do anything against dash heroes and have u seen her mana consumption now?

there are better tanky mages to pick

@@VenomVenomVenom95 so true. I’m pretty sure even silvanna or guinevere can out tank her with their lifesteal💀 and still deal massive damage as well. I really love alice especially pre revamp, but lets face it she’s terrible now.

@@lxncexzs for now i prefer edith .. high damage + fast attack + 3 cc + tanky as hell .. the only problem is this new season many people use phy penetration ..

I strongly agree with your 3 and 4. The best build for her are CoD, Lightning and Dominance. Lightning Trunch hurts a lot on her right now because of mana scaling. But I strongly disagree with your #1. Mid lane mages needs to rotate and help sidelanes and engage in clash at the early game WHICH IS SO BAD for Alice because she can't fight at the early game. She deals less damage at early game and badly needs late game. -Alice main with 600+ matches, 60wr (MG rnk)

Aulrad is more powerful than aldous

@Tom Harris i didn't say that they are like same level powerful but the way they get more power is same cu they are stack dependent

Bruh u can't compare Esme with Alice , Esme is an actually tank , she received shields everytime she use her skills and her skill allow her to absorb and convert enemy health into shields.. meanwhile Alice isn't.. she used to be a mage where you can build a full mage items and now you can't , after revamped , her mana usage is insane , basically gone and barely kill one enemy.. her heal is so horrible now and if enemy use any anti heal items , her heal is basically gone.. how does that makes her a tank????? She's not tanky at all.. any heroes that have penetrations can easily melt her.. i just don't understand , which part of her is tank

@@sussycatto30 I know, she's garbage now in my opinion. At least before, she was great Vs not full tank enemy. I just said, that's what they were trying - and failing - to do.

ever since the last patch her heal is actually nonexistent, combined with the nerfed hp and mana growth, she is now as squishy as eudora. I always suggest people to go full damage + winter truncheon and aim for squishies and backlaners, cuz no way she can be used for 5-man-set unless the enemy is stupid enough to not buy any antiheal items.

she's not meant to be a burst type after all, Moonton seems to want to push her more into the tanky hero with chip dmg (like belerick) aspect than a full on mage

Try doing lightning truncheon and clock of destiny together, she's tanky and bursty

She's meant to not die but right now, she dies too quickly

She strives more now as a tank. Buy the Lightning Truncheon since she's a cecillion now. Elegant gem first item for people to do mana management till 12 stacks. Boots with whatever the enemy dmg output is, then dominance ice,green magic defense for better heal,truncheon cuz alice strives being frozrn and elegant gem cpuld be sold at lvl 13 or 12. Glowing wand can do wonders

I thought that so but then I realised that devs calculated as 15% lifesteal + 30% oracle is calculated as 15+(15x0.3) = 15+4.5 = 19.5% lifesteal. Sad huh.. But yea, Dominance Ice is bought as my 3rd item if enemy has strong early game physcial fighter. I couldn't even 2v1 against badang even late game with 3 of us at max item.

@@xellosblackforest1685 when you have enemies like badang that rely on physical skill and not basic Antique Cuirass is your Go to Item. Basically your only mage item is Lighting truncheon and the item that froze you in spot isnall you need, others are defensive items and late game might as well ditch the boots for more defensive item in regards to what your enemy damage output goes.

@@cruxsaveall9706 so ditch demon shoes for what? Sorry I'll be more specific. Enemy lineup Badang(exp), Saber (j), Miya (gold), Franco mid + Akai (j2). What would you buy?

@@xellosblackforest1685 that's more sn easy line up for her though all physical. Early go elegant gem ( component of clock of destiny) and learn to manage mana till 12 stacks Then boots (normal ones not upgraded) If harrassed either go steel legplates (component for dominance ice and blade armor )or dreadnaught armor (component for assault cuirass) they're cheap that boost armor and unique passive that reduces physical related skills If not harrased go rush lightning truncheon Then dominance ice,oracle winter truncheon assault cuirass . After 50 stacks you dont even need boots go ditch that for blade armor. So. Elegant gem(sell after lvl 12 it outlives it purpose) Boots(sell after 50 stacks or when you're full item and want to buy more.) Lightning T. Dominance Ice Oracle Winter T. Assault Cuirass Blade Armor

Floryns ult

Floryn ult make allied heroes immune to anti heal for 3s. But her ult cd aren't short even with fleeting time

her mana issues aren't issues if you handle her mana consumption well but ig it rly has become skill issue 😂

@@belajarbahasa988 that's relying on another player. So... That doesn't count.

@@overstimulatedboy01 try skill against anti-heal and then burst. Good luck buddy. There's no skill involved in an inherent weakness to her kit which is her entire identity.

yeah one of the thiccest heroes 😍

@@kirkleynanjimenez8388 u also like Alice?

@@hoyuzhedannialqss5395 yeah like crazy dude I'm head over heels on her wizardy teacher 😍😍 and she is also my main

@@kirkleynanjimenez8388 hehe I love Freya and Alice, my favorite heroes and also love them

* *_Sniffs_** I smell something *_E_* *_p_* *_i_* *_c_*

@@FROST_HUGGER i smell starlight for me lol

Tried the new glowing wand in her yet?

@Tom Harris interesting

Alice Need Rework or Bring bck Old Alice....

Try reaching mythic someday and then test her...

Yeah, I know in higher level, she's still having hard time to compete and making your neighbor lane suffers from your uselessness in early game. Nonetheless, she's better (if not much) now with slightly different play style. I think.

Bro she has no mana at all

@@Ghost-cr4wc then you ain’t been collecting stacks efficiently mage XD

can also replace demon shoes for glowing wand since with 50+ stacks alice gains 40+ aditional movespeed (total movespeed of boots)

Only in the early game. If you're smart about mana usage, she can already start joining fights in the mid game.

@@nabilonso what? 6 second teamfight ?

@@arismercer6320 bro she can't even sustain that well. dyroth, thamuz is prob better to sustain than her rn even tho she got all this buff she's still really weak in the early and the stacks are too hard to maintain especially in the early game

Also her lifesteal is just so useless just dominance ice could easily stop her from sustaining in teamfights because of how bad the lifesteal is

Try building demon shoes and enchanted, when you have 40+ orbs mana consumption aint a prob no more

3 tanky thicc items and other magic

Okay let me try now

Magank

Personally tank and one magic item either uce queen wand or glowing wand

Lmao 😂😂, karrie is the only attack speed base mm that I agree can burst her down with no sweat but others like miya,moskov,melissa and so on, I'm really laughing with Blade armor + vengeance 😂😂 you guys are just not knowledgeable about her cause you all only sticking with full damage build which is supposed to be her old version, her revamped is now more powerful on tank build that I even mained her in the revamped and wreck havock

which is weak ulti damage , resulting in very weak vamp

@@VenomVenomVenom95 true but her ult is already weak even before latest revamp.

@@dgmojojojo it is because she already got nerfed from the original alice

When u play high rank ders no late game.Maybe lower rankg players will like

@@rii8502 if its a high rank match both should be so op and the game will not end easily

New thamuz is his best form, are we playing the same game? Lmao

Or maybe depends on the enemy team's average HP.

i would say its harder to burst down cecilion than alice with 100 stacks. cuz revamped alice is not build to sustain at all. she is a good lane pusher tho.

yep

@@sukanasiikanmasinjer6670 All yep?

@@pastir91 yes to combo 3-1-2, don't know about range increased

Nope, 1,3,2 is better. Try it out

@@mlbb735 Where is the logic in it? In the 3-1-2 your ult is on, you hit them with the first skill and teleport to them, hit them with the second skill, while you are still ulting. In 1-2-3 you are not ulting while using your second skill, so less damage for the same amount of time.

Alice need Rework Or Bring bck Old Alice....