@@BitcoinWillFixEverything Hello holster, I'm dad. I guess when it's at least a shrouded hammer, he'll have no problem and could also shoot directly from the pocket.
I got into an actual fist fight and intense grappling situation after I was unexpectedly attacked by a much bigger stranger on a public sidewalk last year. This happened while I was appendix carrying a loaded 9 mm with a Kydex holster. Gun never went off, and thankfully I was able to win the fight and be able to live to write this comment today. 🙏🏽
Glad you survived my dude. Yeah I carry a Gen 3 Glock 19 with a Kydex holster appendix also, nothing like that positive "click" to let you know you're locked in. I could do a backflip (if I were able to lol) and I am quite confident my holster or gun would stay firmly in place. I use RCS pull the dot soft loops, and they've never failed me.
I carry a Glock 36 because 45acp... in an Urban Carry IWB holster, and I have to say that I don't understand why the individual that unexpectedly attacked you survived? Savages will attack random people intending to kill them every day, and I'm not a fighter; if someone unexpectedly attacked me, they would immediately receive free acupuncture.
@@lawrencestanley8989 with all due respect, glock is a cheerleader tool. But I appreciate your efforts to escape the stereotype by going with .45, girls like you are hard to find
It's funny, a bunch of these clowns will say, "you shouldn't have to look at your holster to holster your weapon, you're not being tactical"..... Well children, if I'm holstering my pistol then that means the fight is over and I've won and the scene is secure!! You're welcome!!!
Or you have to holster it quickly before a police officer shows up and doesn't know what's going on. I'd rather not be told to go on the ground at gunpoint with a possible nd in my belly
@@turns-jt7te my hope is to be holstered and concealed before anyone is able to process what happened. Then I'll just be a bystander again.... Actually my hope is to not be in the situation to begin with.
@@andrewbetances1203 shooting someone... Then hoping to skedaddle before anyone notices. Mate idk the angle you see things from but this is a really good way to wind up in hot water with the law.
@@turns-jt7te never said anything about leaving. Quite the contrary. I need to make sure any weapons don't get legs and walk away. I'm talking about as few people knowing I have a CCW as possible including police until it's safe to disclose what happened. That's in an ideal situation anyways. With my luck, I'll pull on someone about to kill me or my family then a cop will think I'm attempting to murder an innocent ex con with a gun.
@@Ontarianmm Definitely NOT true. Getting shot in the balls would bleed, and bleed a lot. It is generally assumed you could live for maybe an hour or even more if that did happen (there aren't exactly a lot of examples to draw great conclusions from). If you sever your femoral artery you will be lucky if you make it to 3 minutes.
@@Ontarianmm Anyone who is actually worried about shooting themself has no business carrying a pistol. You won’t be worth a damn when the split second time comes to draw and shoot to protect yourself or others. You will be to scared to react when the time comes.
Remember that there is never an instance in self defence where you need to reholster your weapon quickly, and the only possible risk in appendix carry comes from reholstering. Take the holster off, reholster the firearm pointed in a safe direction, and then put the holstered firearm back on your belt. It's just that simple.
22 years undercover experience speaking. I started with small in the back carry, but found that it caused serious back and hip problems from sitting in a car. Went to appendix carry and carried that way the rest of the time. Tons of Raids, chases, fights and three shootings...never had a problem of it dropping out or getting to it when needed. During that time, holsters evolved (and actually got better). Currently, I like the Q Series for my Glocks, fit the weapon great, good trigger guard but very minimalist. Love what you do WPS, keep up the good work fellow patriot.
There was a guy who got in a car accident with one of those horizontal in-the-back holsters. I think he had a 1911. Anyway, it left a 1911-shaped crater in his back, displacing several vertebrae in the lower lumbar-sacral junction and causing serious spinal injury. Not sure what happened with him long-term.
Don't hear about too many people using the Q-Series holster. I've used mine at 3:30 for a couple years now (too skinny to appendix carry) and its great. Probably switching it up soon as I think I'm adding an olight PL-mini 2 to my Glock 26. I'll still use the Q holster when I want it to carry smaller
@@concernedpatriot.2221 I mainly carry a Glock 26 with a Glock 19 mag (this gives a bit of extension for my finger). I also carried a Glock 22 the same way...depended on the mood/situation I was dealing with that day.
@@flyingdutchman7585 Cool. I’m a retired cop. I carried a 5 shot model 60 appendix while in uniform, when we carried wheel guns. I did 31 years in the Miami Dade police dept in Miami, Florida retired 5 years ago.
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This was one of the best explanations of appendix carry and the reality of how much you actually flag yourself with multiple carry positions. Keep leading the way, John.
A guy at a private range was practicing his quick-draw from appendix. He wound up neg-discharging into the ground in front of his big toe, got scared, clammed up and promptly left the range. The best thing I learned aside from K.I.S.S. is: slow is steady, steady is fast. Focus on what you're doing while train your muscles, they'll be fast when you need to be - just make sure they're doing the correct movements. :) ..... Personally I'm a 4:00 guy, it's not as efficient but it's what I've been practicing for almost a decade and it's more comfy for me. More comfy means I wear it more, means I'll more likely have it on me when I see that turkey, snake, crazy guy pointing his pistol at people at the cosco, zombies - whatever's clever
@@dennisoconnor8958I think thereS an argument for learning to draw and fire ASAP. if you are drawing your firearm, it is to secure your life or the lives of others. You are a defender. That means you are responding to an ambush, or an attack, so said attacker WILL have a weapon ready by the time you do. If their attention is on you, and you draw, you have to be fast or you will be dead.
@@johnbrown2163 not really. 😁. If it was, I wouldn't be driving in a vehicle. There are "safer" things I could be doing. I wouldn't be playing tackle football without pads. Etc. 😁
@@renhosti Accidents and friendly fire are also dangerous. Playing John Lovell instead of getting out of the Danger zone makes no sense to me. Pew pew now you in court defending your life. Pew Pew now you bleeding out or family dying... You cannot fight and save you buddy at the same time. I love guns I just think you not safe cause you armed.
Ya, I can't say I've ever had that fear. The thing I did was, I unloaded my firearm and just practiced holstering and unholstering on and on and on until I was good. Also when I put my gun and holster on, I NEVER put them on separately. I only put it on with the gun in the holster. The less amount of time you reholster a firearm while the holster is already attached the better. God bless
@Die Kista oh I agree I'm just saying a holstered gun doesn't go off. It's drawing and holstering that's the issue which also means that the lines he shows you would get shot in probably aren't valid. Personally I don't find appendix comfortable but I also don't care what other people do as long as they try to do it safely. All gun handling involves some level of risk
Although I'm a little late to the party, I found this video to be one of the best practical explanations of holstered carry positions and the considerations of carrying risks. It literally took a lot of balls to cover this topic effectively...and we (myself and the boys) thank you!
@@Sunshine-30 apparently it only effects certain guns on the PPS M2 (the earlier serial numbers) I have one that was made in late 2016 (release year) and was made after the effected guns. If you do have one with a recall it's fixable by Walther at no cost of course. Funny it took a couple years for them to figure out there was a problem tho since I thought drop testing is always done. Guess not. Wonder how they finally figured it out, yikes.
@@allaboutroofing2 I think the 320 fiasco taught us that not all brew designs are drop tested properly like we would have once assumed. Pretty ridiculous how many manufacturers used us as beta testers.
Party On! Love it. Appendix for me too. I add one additional peace of mind thang by carrying a DA/SA. Thumb pressing the hammer and it AINT gonna go bang.
I went with a manual safety P365 for appendix carry. Since my shooting thumb is so use to on and off switching my AR, the incorporation of the manual safety into my appendix draw is of minimal impact to my draw to fire times. Do what makes you comfortable! And train that way on repeat.
I like the way John thinks about the different things that could happen and talks out the different carry options. Really nice discussion about the main ways to carry IWB
John, I'm a pastor and I absolutely love the delicate way you work through terminology that I'm sure would come out of you differently with your ranger buddies. It gives me a good laugh. The struggle is real.
I know this is an old video but as an EMT I actually ran on a call where an off duty LEO was carrying in the 3 o’ clock and had exactly what you talked about in the video happen to him. He was at a restaurant with his family and while he was getting in or out of the booth his gun went off somehow. Still not sure how that happened or what gun/holster he was using. But he had 3 wounds, 1 entry and 2 exit and lost a lot of blood and was super pale and needed to be air lifted out
John, OK, you convinced me...to keep carrying at 8 O’Clock (I’m left handed). It would be a lot easier to heal from a butt cheek wound, and when I’m sitting or driving my muzzle isn’t even covering me. I practice drawing and reholstering every day from this position, so though I see your point, I have to do what I feel confident about, and covering the boys isn’t it. I totally respect your opinion, though.
A great video and I agree with your logic here. Another way to be a little bit safer is to carry a hammer-fired weapon and cover that hammer with the thumb all the way in while holstering. Also, an external safety disconnects the trigger and totally takes it out of the equation. A thumb covering the hammer takes the hammer out of the equation too. Your mileage may vary and we all have our own degree of what is acceptable and unacceptable to our personal safety when a firearm is pushed inside our pants. A round can not be fired without the primer being struck by the firing pin or striker. However that eventually is dealt with so that that possibility is made as close to zero as personally comfortable is up to the individual with the firearm stuck inside their pants. You do you -but do it intelligently knowing as much about all the factors as possible before making your own decisions.
I'm a relatively new legal carrier. I really appreciate your videos and advice. I have tried carrying in all three positions, but feel safest with this position. I feel it's easier to get to, and easier to protect. Thank you for your videos.
This was an interesting video. As one who is Deaf since birth, the first rule of gun ownership is to position your gun in a way that it cannot be taken from you; meaning that your first obligation is to protect your gun at all costs from others . I've tried several different positions and the only position that enabled me to protect my gun and be comfortable (I have a full sized gun) is crossdraw. I'm right handed, so my gun sits on my belt in a paddle holster near my left hip. This position allows me to buckle up easily in a car, sit in a chair comfortably, and gives me a relaxed position to draw my gun out. Italian police use crossdraw, the Indiana Sheriff's carry crossdraw after much testing and research. For me, the crossdraw position beats every other type of carry method. I can defend someone's attempt to take my gun from me easily, with the martial arts training I have. And if you have a large handgun, crossdraw makes life much easier to deal with your gun.
Right-on....I just started carrying appendix this year after realizing the speed of draw difference from the 4 o'clock and control of the weapon in a hands-on situation.
Thanks for the entertaining and informative video. I've always carried OWB 4:30. My aversion to AIWB comes from years of IDPA shooting. Anyone who has shot much IDPA will have heard "Muzzle, muzzle, muzzle". But I'm willing to give it a try. Think I'll carry AIWB for a couple of weeks on an empty chamber and see how it goes. I agree, being able to see the holster before and during the holstering process is a big advantage.
Appendix carry feels unsafe to people because the muzzle is literally pointing directly into the center of your leg when you're in a seated position. I think it's mostly a fear of people new to firearms in general though. Because they're still not super comfortable handling guns, let alone carrying one. And it's understandable that appendix carry in the seated position would be somewhat unnerving.
If you are a Medic or were trained in First Aid, CPR or have medical training and a background you would never carry a pistol appendix carry. Your femoral artery is being swept and one mistake will most likely be a fatal one. You will bleed out before you can get help.
As always, thank you droppin’ the knowledge. Your experience and expertise go a long way to ensure that the carry & conceal community is properly educated and feel confidently reassured that AIWB is safe. Period.
ballet has some of the best hip strengthening and mobility exercises around. Girls make them look easy, they are excruciating for guys usually, but they help you move well and kick like a mule.
I learn something tonight very important and safe was always look inside your iwb holster before you inserted your gun back in appendix, and I thought I had all the angles covered
This is why the garter holster is where it’s at. Side benefit is lifting up a little bit of your skirt serves as a good distraction and they never guess you’re going for a weapon. The WTF looks you get practicing at the range are pretty hilarious.
@@WarriorPoetSociety carry on if it makes you happy it can't be that bad. MK- just be happy. Ultra Lovell its like lost in space Elon wanted to marry me. Today Our baby NASA launches crew Dragon to ISS in the ooda loop. I will always love you. No matter what. The King of UAE holds his daughter hostage until I comeCIA keeps trading me off because you do you all damn day Erdogan wants to play- No way because you just walk away. Well they are going to get it next after McCabe said it was a calling for such a weak excuse. Whatever. You manifest what you desire. If that is not relevant to me 💋 then just be free.💔
I subscribed the first time I saw his videos on RU-vid. Thx John, you have no idea how much you help and educate the guys that want to learn more like myself. Your worth your weight in GOLD.
Best advice, it's guns it's all dangerous. Good video. I've been carrying well over 45 years and practice popping 50 to 100 rounds pulling, firing and replacing 3 to 4 times a month WITH THE HANDGUN I CARRY! 45 years of experiance has taught mr that due to the unpredictable nature of life I carry a DA/SA with a safety that blocks the hammer, firing pin, slide and trigger. I as said before regularly train so flicking a safety is automatic. The tactical advantage of concealed carry is CONCEALMENT! Appendix carry really is great for those who have a body shape where it works and who TRAIN.
As long as you know what you’re doing, and not carrying a SIG P320. But I was taught never to aim my pistol at anything I didn’t want to destroy, so aiming one at my nuts all day is off the table.
Or when they offer you free shipping on your 1st purchase if you join the buyers club and give you a 1 month free trial and then you place your order, get a confirmation AND then immediately send you another email telling you that your CC will automatically be billed $50 for your Club membership at the end of 30 days. Your choice. Cancel your order and club membership or pay the shipping. In my case it was $25 shipping on a 1k case of 9mm 115fmj and with shipping would have made ea round about .50 instead of .27. Also a one time SG purchase. If you plan on buying a lot from SG in a year yea you can save $$$. I do believe it's a yearly thing too.
@@2wheeleddemon999 Well it would be nice if they informed you beforehand what the terms are because if they did then many including myself wouldn't sign up. After makes it a problem. It took a bit of doing to get it resolved, step one was canceling the order and step two was canceling the membership. I remember it was on a holiday so I had to get it done before it was shipped and two I'm halfway around the world so there's a 14 hour time difference and three it was at the height of the COVID lockdown and I spent an hour on hold because of short staffing. Fortunately I was using Skype and their toll free number works. I was up until around midnight before my turn came up, OK and does that answer your question?
@@2wheeleddemon999 It all depends. I’m a yearly member. Been one for six years I believe. Bought thousands of dollars worth of ammo over that time period. They used to have everything under the sun at good prices with free shipping ammo wise. Now I find myself mostly buying military surplus items since ammo’s out of stock everywhere. I’ll keep my membership a bit longer & see if ammo comes back at affordable prices. Otherwise I’ll ditch my membership too.
I always ensure that every firearm that i use for concealed carry has a manual safety on it. I train religiously to engage that safety upon finishing firing and to disengage once i am on target. That safety is just another hurdle for any mishaps during reholstering to get over. Even if something happens when im holstering like a pencil or a shirt get in the trigger guard. It will hopefully prevent that trigger from going off and sending my nard(s) into low earth orbit.
This video made appendix carry much more attractive to me. I may try it in the future. It also made more attractive double-action and decocker DA/SA triggers, with their long and generally heavier trigger pulls. Such triggers are less likely to be pulled negligently, accidentally, or otherwise absent-mindedly or unintentionally. Decocking my DA/SA will help me avoid decocking myself.
@@Gieszkanne That's a great point. I've never appreciated grip safeties, thinking they're a liability if I had to shoot without a good grip on the gun or from an awkward firing position. But they can definitely make reholstering safer, and being passive with practice they're far less of a liability than a manual safety. I think I won't look at grill safeties dismissively anymore. I'd like to try one. Kel-Tec's next pistol, a 9mm carry gun, has a grip safety that can be toggled on and off with a little switch when the gun is disassembled. The switch locks the grip safety in. I didn't fully appreciate the feature until now. I think it would be good if many more handguns had an optional grip safety. With most guns, a negligent discharge when reholstering is a far greater danger than a grip safety preventing an essential gunshot in a firefight. Most guns aren't even on defensive duty. And any that are being carried in a way that causes concern about the risk of an unintended firing may benefit from a grip safety.
Yes, it’s absolutely safe. I’ve been carrying a Glock 17 with a TLR8 in a Tier1concealed axis slim holster in the appendix position for years. As long as your booger hook is off the bang switch and you carry in a quality hard sided kydex holster with the trigger completely covered , you’ll be just fine carrying appendix. Rule #1: Don’t carry a crappy gun that you don’t already trust to be safe to carry in any other holster/position. Rule # 2: If you don’t pay attention to when you holster or reholster your firearm, you run the same risk of a negligent discharge injuring/potentially inducing a fatal injury regardless of the position of the holster, so especially pay attention when holstering and reholstering. Rule #3: Carry in a quality kydex holster that is actually designed to carry in that position. Don’t blame the position for being uncomfortable or unsafe when you’re not using the right tool for the job. Appendix carry is totally safe if you already handle handguns safely, and if you’re trained to carry and shoot from that position. Don’t be an idiot with any gun, and you’ll be fine. Appendix just lets you hide bigger guns better and more comfortably, which is why I carry my Glock 17 appendix. YMMV
Appendix is definitely best for concealment. I'm not a large guy and I hide a Glock 34/TLR1/Holosun508T in a Tier 1 Concealed holster, with spare mag. No print. No ND either. And it's comfortable.
Hi thanks for your input, I'm assuming all of those concern is for those who chamber a round and carry appendix, am I correct. If I don't chamber a round, I good right?
My back is too arched for appendix, even in the days I had six pack abs. Three o'clock with a forward cant works best for me. However when dressed up I sometimes do the ol' Red Reddington and carry small of the back. This option is only practical with an open jacket and owb holster.
Before watching answer: I sure as hell hope so! Got a 9mm pointed at my bits right now 😂 Proper holster that covers the trigger on a striker fire pistol = ✅
It's in a holster, and it is angled in such a way that the path of a bullet is in line with my bits. It is intentionally placed there by me, therefore it is pointed at my bits... by me.... To each their own 🤪
Best thing about appendix carry is all your “gear” is already in your work space.... no extra reaching or jerkin required.... P.S. that’s a badass hoody !
@@IncrediPaulAZ I'm denied all Firearms cause the Brady Law. I did nothing wrong. I carry a Chef Knife in front jean pocket. I can go places your sticker bans you and I set up my bow for night shooting.
real man wears a suit and a shoulder holster, if i'm going to accidentally shoot someone, it's going to be the d-bag that shouldn't be standing behind me🤣
I use a 5.11 two banger bag for my edc off body setup. Works really well if I’m wearing clothing that doesn’t allow proper concealment or if I’m at work and can’t pack on body.
Yep, first thing to make sure is the pistol is placed into the holster safety and clear of obstruction. But if anything were that malfunction by accident, the least damage to the body out of the three that’s covered in this video would be the 4 0’clock position.
Super informative and funny. Being new to ccw I'm even more sure now that this is the way that I will carry. Easier and faster to access, and easier to control in a hands on fight.
Yeah I've carried in many positions, and by far appendix is my preferred method. Especially when driving. All I have to do is pull my shirt up, and I can even draw seated in my truck with a seat belt on, no problem.
John, I was on the line when a guy ND'd during the draw from 3 O'clock. The round went through his butt cheek, down his leg and stopped in his calf. IF he hadn't put his booger hook on the bang switch before he was on target ready to fire, he wouldn't have need an ambulance.
i have been carrying at the 1 o'clock position since my last several concealed carry classes. The instructors pointed out a shit load of advantages not the least of which is speed. BUT, I fully acknowledge when carrying the muzzle is pointed directly at my friends.
Thanks for the video! I have started switching over to appendix carry. I used to like 4 o clock (I have no ass to shoot off) but I didn't like the fact I wouldn't be able to tell if my shirt got pulled over or if I am imprinting (I am very thin so its harder to conceal in that position). I like appendix carry because it is easier for me to conceal, I can see everything better when holstering or unholstering and if you end up in a physical altercation it would be easier to defend and prevent an unwanted unholstering when it is in front of you rather than behind you. I feel this is the ideal skinny dude carry position
Being new to the CCW community, I've experimented with a number of different carry methods. I really find the appendix position best. Best for concealment and best for ease of access. Not just drawing, but more importantly taking the weapon on and off the body, whether holstered or not. For old guys, we lose a little flexibility in reaching around our body. What I find it hard to get comfortable with is that, while sitting especially in the car, that muzzle points right into the fold of my thigh and pelvis. I've got a good kydex holster with a full trigger guard, but I can't help feel compromised in this position. I carry in condition 1 and constantly look for reassurance that, while holstered, that gun is in a "safe condition".
Sitting, especially in the car can be uncomfortable... Another thing to consider is to make sure to tuck your seatbelt behind the gun. That way, if you get in a wreck, the belt is catching you, instead of driving a gun into your gut, and likely causing a lot of avoidable internal damage. Mine always migrates to the center console when I drive, holster and all. It's not in the way, it's not uncomfortable on me. Sitting, it helps to adjust your belt up a little, and sit a little more upright, you'll feel the end of the gun find the crease where you sit, and as long as you aren't wearing anything too tight, it's still not very noticeable, especially at a table or something. Another great John Lovell quote to keep in mind "the gun is to save your life, if you're looking for comfort, get a cardigan sweater" There are ways to make it more comfortable, that you'll figure out as you carry... But you'll always run into situations where it is uncomfortable or awkward to bend around.
This is why I stick to pistols that have a lever safety switch of some kind. I never feel at ease with a glock knowing that just the right amount of pressure in the wrong spot could cause a negligent discharge. I train with the safety switch so it is like 1 fluid motion to pull the gun & hit the safety. Then I really dont have to worry about accidental discharge in the holster.
The comedy in this video alone is worth enough lol But as someone with a big belly, working on getting rid of it, the 3-4 olcock is just more comfy atm.
Fantastic video, everything is well thought out and explained. I think I'm sticking with my OTB 4:30 carry, but I have a rare condition... NoAssAtAll, so 4:30 OTB works for me. 😁 This was the best explanation for appendix I've ever seen. Great work!
I wish I was as much as a man as John, those side burns are bad-- . I can’t grow sideburns 😩😩😩seriously I like the 3 o’clock position because my sig is lite and isn’t really noticeable. At the 6 o’clock position it would be very uncomfortable Especially getting into my truck..
