Antitrust Lawyer Breaks Down DOJ’s Apple Lawsuit | WSJ 

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"Raise prices above a competitive level, and to exclude competition" -- Hmm almost like the health care and prescription drug system...

They also monopolized how they repair their products

I own an independent repair shop. If a customer want's an aftermarket display or battery then a message will pop up saying, "Cannot verify if an original part is used, please contact apple". This message scares off customers and then they want on OEM apple part. I can buy an apple part from apple for 2 or 3X the cost of an aftermarket. I then have to contact apple and give them a serial number and order number for apple to serialize the parts to the logic board. Apple has agreed to right to repair however they have still cornered the billion dollar repair industry with this software serialization of parts. Apple also does this with the new macbooks. There have been times when an update has been released and I see many ipads/iphones/macbooks come into my shop. I once had over 13 ipads come in in one week after an update (all ipads where of the number series & 2-3 yrs old). All ipads had bad batteries. Coincidence? I think not. Apple Sux and their corporate values have gone astray.

"Just buy your mom an iPhone"

I'm surprised that neither the EU nor the DOJ did something about apple's xcode(which is mac exclusive) requirement to publish apps to iOS, MacOS watchOS etc.

Apple, "We don't allow our devices to work on other OS." "We don't allow others companies' smartwatches, and other accessories to work properly." "We don't allow apps to use 3rd party payment methods." "We don't allow apps to even mention that user can subscribe on app website." "We don't allow 3rd party app stores in our OS" "We don't allow sideloading" "We make almost impossible to leave our walled garden." Also Apple "We are not a monopoly."

When a company is broken up, the owner(s) of the broken up company just become the owner(s) of the newly "freed" company/companies. When Standard Oil was broken up, the "freed" companies merged into smaller Standard Oils so the only thing that changed was that we went from one company to a handful of companies owned by the same people.

Sounds like Apple didn't give the right comgressmen their heads up stock information... Bc why else would they be doing this?

The purchase of competitor companies in the beginnings of their existence and then having their products/services completely disappear, is the most common method of eliminating the competition; this should be illegal, the cost of this practice is charged to the consumers.

But they don’t go after the real estate monopolies

For those who don’t understand what a monopoly is, A monopoly is when you have 3 properties and then you can buy houses for them…you’re welcome

US government: oh but IMessage. The rest of the world: what’s iMessage? Is that like WhatsApp or telegram?

Amazon. Microsoft. Walmart. Meta. Google. AT&T (again). Keep going DOJ… let’s get back to realistic business sizes.

I'm not an Apple Fanboy and haven't owned an Apple device in years (I used to love my iPod a couple of years ago though). But I don't believe what they are doing is bad. At their peak they innovated and now have all the right to do what they're doing, They were smart. enough.

"illegal monopoly" implies the existence of a "legal monopoly"

It doesn’t matter, if they are found guilty it’s a slap on the wrist and they will eventually have a workaround. It’s all theater to make it look like they’re doing something… probably a small fine and they will not admit any guilt

I hope they fix ram and disk upgrade prices. Back when you could add ram to the imac I could tolerate those prices, but now there is no way to upgrade machine later. Everything is soldered…

building seamless integration is fine. but when you proactively control integration with other protocols (RSC), it is sure monopoly!

If they're able to breakup this monopoly, I'd love for them to force back touch id and the headphone jack similar to how the EU finally got them to switch over to USB-C and also make their APIs more available to third parties can develop more sophisticated gadgets similar to the Apple Watch

there is no dennying that apple has a manopoly on :- repairing apple devices. - only autheriesed repairers can obtain parts and to be autheriesed you have to agree to replace expensive sections of devices rather small repairs like a single faulty cable/chip making repairs uneconomical. people able to carry out these repairs like this have no access to parts unless they agree not to carry out these repairs. iphone app distribution - dictates what apps can/cant be released to users - cannot even change the deffault apps like maps, browser, etc from apples dictated choice

Now do this with food companies🤷🏼‍♂️

What about Amazon,Google,Facebook??

Why do people use Apple products anyways? They're overpriced and opensource free versions of their software are almost always better. Not to mention, Windows is better overall.

Can someone break this down for me? How is there a monopoly? I am free to buy whatever phone I want, and if I want to switch from Apple to Samsung, I am free to do so? If I have bought several Apple products and "locked" my self in the Apple environment, that's my solely my fault and not Apples' fault? The same would go for Samsung, if I wanted to switch to Apple? Or am I missing something?

Can someone enlighten me on the superior app integration that Apple has on it's competitors? Also, does this mean we can finally see improved messaging between android and apple?

And the fact that you just cannot use old devices anymore while they should be fine to use with the old software

Apple was warned from the same agency that if they encrypted iCloud, it would not be good. Apple encrypted iCloud. I wonder if there's a correlation.

"This lawsuit could cost Apple millions of dollars" I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope that there almost $400 billion in revenue can with stand this massive cost :(

There are so many things in this country I care more about than Apple and TikTok and it annoys me that these are the priorities. How about health care, medication pricing, affordable education and child care… idk… important stuff that affects our day to day.

3:30 1. You can use apps not from the app store but maybe they are Not Safe. But you can do it 2. You can use other cloud streaming apps, you just need to download them and put your files in 3. Just use WhatsApp or Telegramm or Instagram or any app, maybe SMS 4. There are other smart watches which can be used with the iphone. But they are often not so good. You cant use the apple watch with android but you also cant use a google watch with the iphone 5. There are numerious other payment options like paypal or apps from your bank. But this is the one point where the alternatives are really not as good. So a valid point

do we get alternate app stores for xbox, playstation and Nintendo Switch too? Like Microsoft has a Monopoly of 100% on Xbox

Tim Cook: We need to decrease our market share. The easiest way to achieve this is to increase prices for all products.

So why isnt the clayton antitrust act applied here too?

If Apple wins the monopoly case, then other companies will follow Apple and that's not good for the consumers 💯

I’m 50/50 on this case. The oxygen sensor case does make Apple look anticompetitive but it only has a strong market share in the states when it comes to smart phones.

Going after Apple, which clearly is not a global monopoly, when they should have gone after Meta, which definitely is.

As we walk into a new tech world, where your phone is really like an access point to the rest of the world, possibly replacing transportation, communications, data storage, behavior statistics/advertisement capabilities, and personal identification. Thus I'd suggest the following changes... (I've used iPhone since 2009 starting iphone 3GS, and do have a hard time switching over to other products) DOJ should focus on breaking Apple into hardware company, software company, online market place company, and credit service company. Much like how windows can be installed onto Mac and MacOs onto PC, the hardware should be made available and transparent within US territory to US users to the very least. Should other nations wish it, it should also be available for users to choose their hardware. In addition, 'jailbreak' should not be a 'break' from its software and waives warranty, but an option to opt in or out of, so users have their rights to access their own data, and gets decide to protect it using other tools or to use it eslewhere without requiring to purchse additional storage on clouds or bigger phone storage. Also, those software updates should not been a required download for newer phone, and should be more transparent on what is changed (including battery efficiency or battery consumption, to avoid secretly forcing the device to burn out and shorten the lifespan of an iphone behind user's back). Also, the messaging tool 'iMessage' should open to include government oversight so that scam and fraudsters can be held responsible. Apple Pay and In-App purchases should follow standard like VISA and only charge a minor fee, not a whopping 30% for similar services. App-control/approval mechanism should be more transparent, and should not be made-available by Apple company, instead it should be available to either the community or for government oversight.

When Apple is in love with China Factory and server capacity, DOJ punish it!🤣🤣

Refusal to support RCS, 3rd party app stores (and side loading), and lock out independent repair... clear monopoly. You also have to manually switch off imessage if you switch to android or dumb phone.

0:01 That sounds like "monopolies like apples" as in the fruit and not the company. I mean who doesn't know the monopoly of the fruit?

If the DOJ is able to prove that 70% market share is an effective monopoly, that’s going to have a major effect on multiple industries. It’ll make it easier for them to prosecute future anti-trust cases against major corporations.

You really had to tuck that "if the DOJ is right, then it's a real win for consumers" at the very end huh.

03:05, what? You ALLEGE? For god sake, you are the one (DOJ) suing apple. You should not use those kind of words here.

As an Android user who wholeheartedly dislikes Apple and the things they do to block off their ecosystem, I don't think they have a case. I feel that way about Apple and I have the choice to not be involved with their business. Not a monopoly in my eyes if you have the option to not use their products\services.

If apple used RCS for their phone, that would likely break down some of their monopoly.

In short, yes. I wrote my thesis on ecosystems and quite obviously Apple was one of the leading examples. Apple has evolved into an infrastructure provider (everybody needs phones just as roads, electricity lines etc.) and consumers benefit from network effects in infrastructure settings (e.g., compatibility). For these reasons competition is not beneficial and its a winner takes it all situation (maybe there is space for a second solution but thats it). In the past, infrastructure was built by governments and provided to everyone, without profits in mind. However, Apple can charge whatever they want for their infrastructure accessibility. Similar monopolies are with Google, Facebook, Microsoft...

Now apply this logic to smart cars and the medical field… and you might start to realize that being big doesn’t mean you’re a monopoly

I 100% agree that Apple is a monopoly and I’m pro free market. They make it completely impossible to compete and to even integrate with them without a hefty hefty fee

I'd love another one of these videos but on the UFC.

Oh, and Samsung is not a US company. So why would they want to suggest more people should be going that direction

this people got nothing better to do?

"We have no monopoly there is no monopoly here" will become a meme

They’re saying that because 70% of people use iPhones in US they have a monopoly🤔Just is the better product, not the only one, therefore not a monopoly

imagine being so good at something that congress want to shut you down.

Those 30% cut for app developers is big problem.. and phone you can not repair or pc

3:50 i just realized why theyre doing this. They all have Iphones (congress etc) and they cant do alot of what Android users can do. So theyre just gonna take the whole company down instead of making a law... Which is a waste of time too. More " im rich I should get what i want"

Interesting insights, I never knew Apple was under scrutiny 🍎.

When Apple says their locked down ecosystem is for "security and privacy", what that really means is they don't trust their users to make their own decisions when choosing products. But Apple doesn't think its users are unable to make their own decisions for security and privacy, it worries that they can't be competitive if their users are given choice. You can still have iMessage, but support RCS in a good way. You can still have the App Store, but allow other app stores. You can still have Apple Wallet, but support generalized standards and the transferring of user data across services. You can still have AirDrop, but make Bluetooth sharing across operating systems usable. The argument has never been that Apple can't have a highly integrated ecosystem with security and privacy benefits, it's always been that those features shouldn't preclude Apple users from choosing other products and services that fit their individual needs better.

iOS on non-apple made products sounds like a good idea.

The DOJ are being very foolish here. There are many other Smartphones competing against Apple. Just because it has become the popular or defacto phone in the US doesn't mean its a monopoly.

"We have no monopoly" but no matter what program you buy, you have to buy it at our store.... See??? No monopoly!!!! From the devoloper side: So I have to buy a mac, and mac programming software to write apps for apple products??? Yeah!!! What monopoly?????

I feel like United Health is the worst Monopoly...

I bought my 1st iPhone this year. In four years I am buying an Android. Don't think Apple has a monopoly.

Government goes after big tech but true monopolies, eyeglasses, cable, and prescriptions, are all off the table

One of the facts I’ve choose Apple over any Google phone is how they handle the third party software on their phones. That level of security can’t be achieved otherwise, I’m afraid. And of course, they are actually well made. Now in terms of pricing, yeah Apple take a bit too much the goblin side.

Microsoft did the same thing in the 90's and in the 2000 they finally lost in court and everyone benifeted from that defeat. And now Apple is doing the same trash they complaint about year ago. What really sucks is that it's being 24 years to finally say "enough!".

Have the gov’t ever thought that Apple’s large market share is due to consumers’ preference? I like Apple products and I agree that its closed system does provide better security. From what I heard, most often than not, security breach happened with 3rd parties.

The US is making a huge mistake restricting Huawei be sold in the US in the name of national security. Look at Apple how it’s priced in China, you know they have no monopoly capacity there. But here in the US., you kind of want to ask the question like who allowed it to be like this in the first place?

I don’t need some government to decide what tech I choose to use! The free market should decide value, not a collective of overly empowered administrators (go build some roads you schmucks!)

Agree 100% that's why I never used apple in my life

Answer this question, i bought an iPhone, i dont want to see ad through out my phone. Example, when opening an app, browsing etc. I can do this in Mac, windows laptop, Android phone by installing a VPN that i TRUST and it's my choice. Its my iPhone and nor yours anymore once i bought it. Why are you controlling my phone and telling me how to use? What do you call this?

It's true apply make it hard to switch

Coke, Pepsi and Comcast’s are the OG’s of the monopoly market and no one arguing about that.

Instead we should say Apple is more popular because of its best product and service. And that comes at an investment which for some may seem more than others but if you consciously decide to find out whether it is more or not then you will find that you are getting best of everything and it’s an optimal combination of every good aspect of technology, service and price.

It's pretty weird to hear that apple is so dominant since in my country android completely dominates the market.

That’s like saying stores at Disneyland is an illegal monopoly

The real Monopoly are Ticketmaster and Live Nation!! Fix those over priced crooks!

No

There is no monopoly as long as there's at least ONE competitor. Ppl are free to choose what products they purchase and what brands they surround themselves with. Why should a company be punished for ensuring that their products under the umbrella of the same brand work smoothly and seamlessly with other products from the same brand? Thats just smart business

Imagine being so successful in designing products and accessories that you literally exclude more than half of all mobile devices in the process (android phones) as possible customers and yet are accused of having a monopoly. Apple is suffering from their own success.

WSJ 🔥

"There is no war in Ba Sing Se."

"apple isn't doing anything wrong" except going out of their ways to make everything else incompatible with their products, so you're essentially forced to give them more money to make everything work as it was previously

Second question out of all of the reporters here, how many are using iPhone?

I hope that the laws of the United States can make them learn what fair competition is.

Everyone loves the growth of a company till its a Monopoly. Irony.

What Apple did is no different than many other systems, Like Point of Sale (POS), car or even how government works. You can't expect to change a POS system without new terminal from the same company. You can't install Tesla's OS on your BMW. You can't change your water supplier even you are not happy with the water quality. I don't see US/EU have problems with these issue.

Apple's business model revolves around their product working best if EVERYONE has their product... they don't want you to have a choice!

I own an iphone and my Android phone is my backup phone

We neeed to sue black rock and a bunch of other companies.

They should go after the cable companies then.if you dont have competition you pay up your asz for service

It's obviously not a monopoly, the have a very dominant position, but you can use Android or any of the others.

The government can win this case just on dissecting the tech on how i message behaves when messaging with a device outside of the imessage eco system. Purposefully down sampling photographs to instill inferiority on other devices alone should put someone in jail tbh.

If they have monopoly power does that mean their company is worth monopoly dollars?

I think these legislators needs to stop messing around with the law. Because without a specify tech standard recognition section within the act Apple is on the right side. Procedure matters in legal proceedings. How monopoly is determined in broad base term at least according to apples definition of no monopoly lets them gets away from the accusation simply because they’re all operating under same chip to fundamental software standards. If google wanted to use swift c and Apple standard they’re free to do so, and vice versa. No one really stops anyone from starting their own App Store, it’s just matters of capital to sizeable scale for which that it prevented new business to thrive doing the same thing, but not from the legal part purely from normal day to day part, because legal is not even there yet, how many billions or people with billions are around? If they wanted to start an App Store who’s stopping them? If we purely do the size as standard of definition there will be a lot of big size app stores around, will it make it better for consumers tho? Hard to say, I’m guessing no. In terms of technology recognition section under the act it should be in a way that:”it’s not capital amount that prevented others from doing so, rather on its spirits of how monopoly is being seen, blocking with some unfair practice not necessarily advantage” because advantage…there won’t be a business to begin with without an advantage, these people in the politics not so bright, you can bribe them with 95k bushings, they have no shame.

it is a monopoly, when it wasnt a monopoly. At the time smartphones where a small market now its a large share of the market, time.

Why are my utility providers allowed monopolies?? Electricity, Internet Service, Gas

There more are monopoly companies then my 10 fingers and 10 toes combine...Boy the justice so behind in its times....

Idk why people dont just get other products if they hate apple products. No one is forcing you to buy apple or use apple.