Is Calvinism Biblical? The Answer may Surprise you! (With Greg Laurie) 

Pastor Greg Laurie I reject hyper Calvinism . As well God choses his children as vessels of mercy . He actively works in the elects lives to bring them to repentance. He passively moves his hand away from the non elect to let them do what they love and that is sin u see the difference if u did a thorough investigation and didn’t go by what chuck smith and Dave hunt say u would know that u are misrepresenting reformed theology .... btw the reformers who fought against Rome all believed reformed theology to be the true biblical teaching take off the traditional lens and seek the truth. At the end of the day if we had something to do with our salvation we get the glory not God . But God is the author of salvation not man. Ur freewill theology is very man centered just as a lot of quote on quote evangelical Christianity today and most side w Rome rather then the church fathers . If I chose God that is a work sir but Ephesians 2:8-9 says we are saved by grace through faith THAT IS NOT OF yourselves lest anyman can boast it is a gift from God even our faith is a gift. Come to me all u are weary and heavy laden in its context is speaking to those who are weighed down by their sins , which would line up with other scriptures that refer to blessed are the poor in spirit for they shall see God . The point is someone can not come to genuine faith in Christ until they recognize they have sinned against a Holy God and that we deserve hell

@@jasonharkness2992 where does it say believing God is a work? If somebody knocks on my door, and I answer it, and he offers me a free gift, it is not a work to accept it. Works have to do with the law.

@@jasonharkness2992 how do we deserve Hell if Adam and Eve never had a free will to choose anything?

I love you Greg. I am a former Calvary Chapel Elder. I used to believe as you. But now embrace the Doctrines of Grace. But brother, your clip here did a dis service to everyone. The applause of the audience just highlighted how emotion so often trumps exegesis. I pray you take this down. God bless you with wisdom and grace.

@@jasonharkness2992 THEN Jason how do you unpack -that GOD commands ALL MEN Everywhere to REPENT and Turn, why does Jesus Plead with people to turn? why did Paul say GOD appoints the times n places ALL should live so that We might Seek n find HIM. your premise is Wrong, your reading into calvanistic things that are NOT in scripture!!

Well guess what Jesus said “no one can come to me unless the father who sent me draws Him, and I will raise him up on the last day” (John 6:44)

@@johnhorazy12notes Jesus gave us teachers, of which Calvin and Luther are two.

@@Cici_Dial Buddy you should read 1 Corinthians 1:10-17.

​@@Proverbs9v10those who are called and believe are the elect/chosen from eternity past.

@@noahhawkins6170 once you know of jesus, you are thereby being drawn. if you want ALL scripture to be harmonious together, thats the only way to awknowledge the verse.

Amen

But if you did know you wouldn’t preach to them? And do you want everybody to be saved? If so, then why do you want something God doesn’t want? If not, then do you let friends know you don’t want everybody to go to heaven?

​@@OkieAllDay God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, Ezekiel said. So that is biblical and the appropriate attitude we should have. I know I am a wretched sinner saved by grace. Therefore, I want other undeserving sinners to know God's grace as well.

Amen, brother. I think Greg Laurie should have a discussion with a calvinist. But there might be "hyper calvinist" people who don't do evangelism, but I never met one.

​@@OkieAllDaythis is hypothetical argumentation and it's a waste of time

Yes, reformed theology is what the Spirit reveals Unless you think Roman catholicism was correct and the reformation was wrong

@@tomtemple69 Reformed theology comes from the traditions of men. Catholic theology can trace back to the first-century Christians (and further back to of course) who understood true worship via songs, incense, and the Eucharist as well as the other sacraments necessary for salvation.

"Reformed theology comes from the traditions of men. Catholic theology can trace back to the first-century Christians " lol "as well as the other sacraments necessary for salvation." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@tomtemple69 those obnoxious laughs after laughing at something biblical is actually hilarious and ironic.

@@TruLuan you think works are necessary for salvation... you're preaching a false gospel according to Galatians 1....

Calvinism is the Gospel.

And, I, when when I am lifted up, will draw all people to myself. -Jesus

Kevin Morris oh ok so no one is going to hell then if the way u are interpreting this scripture then no one will be damned ... and if Jesus Died for the sins for all mankind why do people still end up in hell? Oh ya that’s right he died a death so possiably people would be saved . Jesus said I pray for my sheep I do not pray for the world but for all that the Father has given me????? Jesus died perfectly to save all that it was intended for there will be not 1 drop of the saviors blood in vain

@@jasonharkness2992 , drawing all does not mean forcing all. Read Acts 7:51 and Acts 18:6

John 12:32 balances John 6:44.

This is such an inconsistency. If god decreed for people to deny him then they obviously aren’t making free choices. At least not “free” as most of us would define the word.

@@Jgbeg His decree is bought about by secondary means. So, men make there own choices, sinners are born not wanting God, we know this from scripture Brother, no one seeks after him. God desires to display the fulness of who he is to us, his Love, his justice, his mercy, his grace, his wrath and hatred toward sin. so if he saved all men, where can he display his justice and wrath against sin, if he send us all to hell, where can he display his Love and mercy. God does not forcing men to not believe in him, that is what they are doing. there is not one man who is truly crying out to God from their heart, and God will ignore them. He in fact he has already given him a new heart. God has predestined a people to salvation, His Love has been on them before time, and through the preaching of the gospel, they are called. We all deserve hell for all eternity brother, by nature we were children of wrath, but God.

Eddie Brown i agree with most of what you said, but if God has predestined individuals before the beginning of time to be saved then do those who are non elect really have a choice in the matter? You say god does not force men not to believe in him which I agree to that. But under your systematic that’s exactly what he does. If they are non elect then they cannot choose god therefore there is no choice to make. They are damned from the beginning. Am I wrong?

@@Jgbeg It's still not a force brother. In the beginning he made Adam and Eve perfect with free will. Giving them one law to obey, not to eat from the fruit. We see he is not the creator of evil, though he do allow is for his Glory. Adam and Eve chose to sin against God, the sin committed by them. I had questions about election, but scripture is pretty clear, I can not deny it. Paul answers the objection that you and even I raised to election, the question that is raised is, Why does God still blames us? For who is able to resist his will? And Paul answers by saying, who are you a human being to talk back to God. That's a hard rebuke, knowing, that would be the rejection to election, he addressed it and settled it.

Eddie Brown Romans 9 is not a debate between a Calvinist and Arminian. God is saying he has the right to do with the hardened Jew what he pleases. What’s you’re saying is he is not the author of evil but he has decreed to bring evil to pass? And he’s not the one deciding for the reprobate but he’s the one who decided pre determined him to hell?

Man is not God's counsellor...sadly most these days do not place God highly enough...nor man lowly enough...in their arrogance they create a god that's a figment of their imagination, not the God of the Bible...they want their "god" as a genie in a bottle to serve them...Calvinism 100% biblical...

@@busybody1474 wow all that from his post? He's a hypocrite? You don't know that and you don't know his heart and honestly from what I've seen on both sides there are very loving people like Greg and like others who teach the opposite view which is calvinism. Maybe let me see you unpack Romans 9 for me right now please.....

@@busybody1474 we don't know who God predestined so we need to proclaim the gospel to everyone

This is the problem with non-calvinist. They promote Man above God. Man's choice above God's choice. We are not neutrally moral creatures, our will is enslaved to sin. It is our master. A slave cannot choose their master. A man can not choose to be born again anymore than a baby chooses when to be birthed by the mother. Spirit gives birth to Spirit not flesh gives birth to spirit.

calvinism is a man-centered gospel.

I thought i was the only one who felt like that. I mean they are so learned with writings of the puritans until sometimes they just show some little ego

Nope i just left a calvinist church.

They believe they're "special".

Yeah, that’s good to know. Hopefully I won’t be arrogant as a Calvinist. Hehe

@@gabrielkinzel3389 not everyone of us are arrogant. You decide how you want to be.

Despite not agreeing with you regarding "perception of choice" I do 100% agree with your last sentence

Read the verses that use the word predestined. They are never about a nonbeliever being predestined to be a believer. They are about the believer being predestined to conform to the image of the Son, or the believer being predestined for the redemption of our bodies.

@@jcthomas3408 "They are about a nonbeliever being predestined to be a believer. They are about the believer being predestined to conform to the image of the Son, or the believer being predestined for the redemption of his body." Is there a case where a believer was not predestined to conform to the image of the Son? Is there a case where a believer is not predestined for the redemption of his body? Once a person has accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior, he should be predestined to conform to the image of the Son. I have seen one or two cases where this statement is not true. Of course, the tares and the goats are inside the church. Judas Iscariot was such a person. I can understand that some people interpret the verse to be conformed to the image of the Son. Every believer should be predestined for the redemption of his body. It is redundant for God to predestine every believer for the redemption of his body. Charles Templeton was a Christian. Then, he became anti-Christian. Bart D. Ehrman was a Christian. Now, Bart D. Ehrman is an anti-Christian. Michael Shermer was a Christian. Now, Michael Shermer is an anti-Christian. Dan Barker was a Christian. Now, Dan Barker is an anti-Christian. 1 John 2:19. "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." I find character flaws in these people. Would I be able to find character flaws in these people when they were Christians? I don’t know. Would I be able to find character flaws in Christians? Yes, I can. I am a Christian critic. If a person has character flaws, does it mean that he is not a Christian? I don’t know. Only God knows. If the Bible is the word of God, a Christian should love it. A Calvinist holds a high view of the Scriptures. Some Christian preachers said, “The bible is one of the books of antiquity.” “The Bible is a collection of ancient writings. It is not applicable for today living.” I saw a Christian preacher spoke words without content. The atheists attack the Bible with confidence. I am a Calvinist. I take all the bad Calvinist's beliefs out and keep all the good ones. The Calvinist's behavior and anti-Calvinist's behavior should be the same. I support all anti-Calvinists’ efforts to win all non-elect people to Christ. I reject all Calvinists with bad behavior. Bad Calvinists exist. If I know who they are, I would tell all people to avoid them at all costs. I have not met a bad Calvinist. I am probably blind to the Calvinist who behaves badly.

@@tomceman4451 I am just going by what the Bible says. I.e. Romans 8:29 says those that God already knows (believers) He predestines to be conformed into the image of his Son. If someone changes their path (rejects God after accepting Him) they would no longer be conforming to the image of His Son. Definitely not a Calvinistic view, but it is Biblical.

@@jcthomas3408 Romans 8:29 says those that God already knows (believers) He predestines to be conformed into the image of his Son. No one will disagree with this statement. You have to put the time table on it to tie people's underwear in knots. When did God know the believers? Ephesians 1:4. "For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence."

Lord please deliver and set free this young man Lord. Please let me see that YOU are the ONLY way for him. I pray this same prayer for my children, family, friends and strangers that are lost Father God, in the Name of Jesus Christ, our Savior and God.

Do you think a person needs to turn from sins in order to be saved?

Mark and I Don't Know..I'm so grateful for your prayers. Be blessed in Jesus' name.🎁💝

@@thomasj5332 Can you not set aside your question and just lift epiphany of veritas and his son Daniel in your prayers? Smh...

If he is predetermined to be saved he will be. If not, God already knew what he would choose and all the prayers in the works won't change his outcome.

Calvinism teaches that we are predestined to Heaven/Hell - do you disagree? If so, please show me how, as if calvinism doesn't say that, then I might be all for it! :D

@@beelzzebub Read Paul's letter to the Romans carefully. If you don't believe Paul's writings, then you don't believe John's writings, which means you don't believe Jesus' DIRECT teachings to both of them and now you have a SERIOUS problem. Calvin is wrong here and there, NO DOUBT, unless you want to claim that he was taught directly by Jesus, as were John AND Paul. But to deny Paul's writings is to deny what Jesus taught him DIRECTLY, and if you believe that Jesus is the WORD then you will have a serious reconciliation problem if you decide to disregard Paul's writings. Calvin was indeed preaching his understanding of the crux of Jesus' teaching to Paul regarding predestination, and the Potter's (God the Father's) sovereignty over the clay to MAKE some vessels for honor, and some for dishonor. These are Jesus' teachings TO Paul. If you deny these teachings to Paul BY Jesus, you are denying that Jesus is THE WORD OF GOD. Tread carefully. This argument isn't about "Calvinism". It is about PAUL'S TESTIMONY of what JESUS TAUGHT HIM.

ClickToPreview you are going very deep into this, but my question was simple. Are we predestined to heaven/hell by God’s choice for our lives? I would say no, and that an answer of ‘yes’ makes us puppets of an unloving God - (but I believe God is loving and gives ALL people a chance but forces it on NOBODY)

If you understand Calvinism then your mind has been turned to mush.

Lymer he, like most Calvinists, is unable to answer a simple question.

so you deny original sin and maintain that humanity has inherent righteousness? and who is the heretic?

@@youngsterjoey9038 Do you have to believe in Calvin to be saved?

@@cliffbailey6474 you cannot be Pelagian and believe in Christ as your Savior.

@@youngsterjoey9038 what was my question?

@@cliffbailey6474 do you have amnesia?

Even Calvinist can’t get it wrong 100% of time when they’re speaking from the Bible. Spurgeon did say some good things from the Bible just got his 🌷 wrong

Love how people who quote and idolize men dont stick to hermeneutics

It’s even worse than not knowing Spurgeon’s theology, his is making a false attribution to Spurgeon in order to sway would be Calvinists or those curious about the doctrine away because they admire spurgeon. And if even he wasn’t sure, neither should they. He’s deceiving. Intentionally. Also his job is to preach the whole counsel, not just “repent and be saved”. The hard truths are left out of the pulpit and the sheep are left to wonder and weary stressing about things he ought to be teaching them. History provides much in the way of historic sound and orthodox Protestant theology. Consider the Westminster Confession of Faith after all.

@@CultureDweeb there is no such thing as 'would be calvinsits' lol you not too bright either huh...

Uncas Unga oh I’m not? You didn’t even understand my comment. The point is that Spurgeon’s Calvinism is being kept untold in order to use his teachings only where it’s fitting. Christians under this teaching might actually embrace the biblical doctrine of Calvinism if they were lead by the leaders they trust. But this “leaders” earn no right to be trusted by their suppression of truth and divisiveness from historical Protestant doctrine.

Amen

Absolute nonsense he gives men a choice look at Jerusalem he how often would I’ve gathered u but would not God word open men heart but they can choose calvism is destroyed the true gospel message should not be in through a church door All can come All won’t All could calvism destroy the gospel end of 1700 and John and Charles weseley started to preach the whosoever and became the greatest gospel movement that century now it’s back and true gospel preaching is fading out the only thing we need is Christ and him alone and calvism out in theology bin

@@colinlennox1043 Hi Colin, I did not say that I, myself, am a Calvanist. I am simply saying that Greg did not describe Calvanism correctly. Nor does he, in every message present the law that condemns and the Gospel that saves I love listening to Wesley's sermons read on you tube. Though, Wesley and Greg are nothing alike. I do not think either would say they are alike. As far as Jesus saying 'you would not' this statement is simply saying just that I.e. they would not. It doesn't explain the reasoning of why they 'would not'. A Calvanist would say that they would not because they we're not predestined. I've listened to Greg over 40 years and I have never heard him say, as Paul said, that we are enemies of God until, through Christ, we make peace with God. He never presents the entire Gospel and he teams with heretics on occasion. Though, Greg has been. a super faithful man, I think his theology is a bit pop Christianity so, I think he is unaware of the heresy of some he gives the right hand of fellowship. All around, I wish I were as faithful and hard working as he. He is a good example in that manner. As well, he is an encouraging guy and such a good representative of Jesus. I agree with much of your comment. I'm not sure I completely recall this message, just doing the best I can. Please excuse my wordiness! God's Best To You

@J C do you read the old testament much? Do you think vessels of wrath or the potter and the clay are new terms introduced by Paul? You should seriously consider reading Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekial, especially Ezekial if you want to know who vessels of wrath are. When God said Jacob I loved and Esau I hated, what is meant by hate used here? Is this same Greek word for hate used anywhere else, like maybe Luke 14:26? Ezekial chapters 3 and 33 tie directly into Acts 18 starting in v5. Who's blood is on who's head? What's the main focus of Paul as he builds his message up to, and through, Romans 9? Israel and their unbelief. Romans 9:30-32 is key here.

J C But still, we need to give them the gospel. don't think you think? The doctrine comes later after they being served

Why would Jesus need to die on the cross if he chose certain people whats the point then, that means there is no hope for anyone but the chosen.

@@sarahanne8415 Jesus died on the cross to save the elect because they are sinners in need of salvation which God freely gives to them apart from works. If u believe in Jesus for the forgiveness of sins then u are one of the elect. If u believe the Gospel then you are truly blessed. :)

@@inthespirit1278 Jesus died to save everyone but not everyone will accept the gospel

@@Anthony-945 He will save everyone who the Father has chosen for salvation(John 6:39; 2 Thess 2:13). So biblically, Jesus did not die for everyone, He died for the elect only and He will not loose a single one(John 18:9).

@@sarahanne8415 their sin debt still had to be paid . We didn’t put Christ on the cross God did for the elects sake . God chose before the foundation of the world Ephesians 1:4-11

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What is trinity? Is that satanism or witchcraft, or both??

@@Dexters.LaBOREatory trinity just means 3 in 1btw its neither and biblically it's called Godhead, you see it all throughout the old and new testament scriptures

@@lightray9573 i honestly got scared there, I thought you called the Trinity un Biblical.

You want free will? 1 Kings chapter 9. Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekial. And the consequences of it. They were told, they chose to rebel. We are also told, no difference.

Very well said.. Another thing I find is that people tend to think free will means we can do WHATEVER we want. Which in fact, our free will has its limitations. For example (exaggeration added to prove a point); we may wish to fly like the birds do but irregardless of our willingness to do so it is just not possible. Our Free Will is limited by our nature.. we also tend to forget that although God allowed us to have free will, it does not render the will of God moot.. There is the Will of Man And the Will of God. Regardless of how much we kick and scream for our right to exercise our free will, God’s will shall always be SOVEREIGN.. . I always have remind myself that God does not owe me any answers, nor does He owe me any favors YET he sent his son to die for me due to the fact that I used my free will to rebel against the One who gave it..

If we define free will as a neutral will where we can choose otherwise, it does not square with the Bible. If we define free will as we are free to do and decide according to nature, that's square with the Bible.

God deceidd evrythiong about man the moment He deceided there would be man. He just didnt tell us so now you have every cult wackjob human glorifying satan beiever claiming they have this made up free will when our will is CLEARLY enslaved. you dont need the bible to know that you just need honest common sense when facing yourself. The bible just explains obvious reality that weve bbeen blinded to.

God could never be taught anything. Not about you not from you

There is nothing to fear about the doctrine of free will. The fear only happens because Calvinists over-complicate the bible. Humans have free will because we are made in the image of God. Perhaps it will help you to think that we have an image of free will. When we talk about free will we are talking about having the ability to choose otherwise to be able to make moral choices and to be moral by following Jesus Christ. God is not limited because God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy and compassion on whom he will have compassion. God is freely choosing to wait for his people to choose to follow him. God will act when he wants to act. God before the foundations of the world did not predetermine some people to be dammed and others to be saved.

True, But CALvinism is wonderful.

@@rawbingham There is nothing wonderful about Calvinism. Read The Institutes of the Christian Religion Book Three. There must be free will.

@@walnoemispoyt5604 I reply. But my experience is it would get nasty when you read returned the reply.

@@rawbingham So you are rejecting Calvinism?

@@walnoemispoyt5604 sorry. I wrote that in a hurry while waiting for an appointment. No, Christianity IS inherently Calvinism and intellectualizing over dogma is… evil. Thinking that we need to make free will “work” is idolatry. We don’t have original thoughts. Nor do we have original “will.” It (will) is either from God or, by golly, the opposite.

the goats on as if they can force themselves on God cause "he cant force himself on me" that means He aint with you morons. LOl

loooooooooooooooool. This wins

It won't change itself, but God will give me the desire, by the new heart He has given me to change it for his Glory.

It only takes the specified amount as per the eternal decree of God. Next

@@randyomatta4302 no.

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So True

@@michaeltorah4002 God foreknows some people to be dammed. With the term predestination there is an aspect of causation hence why we use the term "cause and effect". If you are using the English bible of course you are going to be misled but the Koine Greek understanding is not what you are thinking but what I am saying. Humanity has free will.

Ditto and Amen to that 👍!!!

Spurgeon also proclaimed that Calvinism is simply historical orthodox Christianity. It is what the original Christians believed. Read what they wrote. Arminianism, named after its "founder", Jacobus Arminius, did not come along until the 1500's. That's fifteen centuries after the Resurrection. You can connect the dots theologically from Jesus, to Paul and other apostles, to the early Church fathers like Irenaeus, Ambrose (and a large number of others), to St. Augustine, St. Thomas Acquinas, Martin Luther, John Calvin, into the 1600's with John Owen, 1700's with Jonathan Edwards, then Charles Haddon Spurgeon, Meacham, Piper, Sproul, to the present. There is no comparative All Star chain of theologians for Arminians. And in my list I have left out many many other superstars of the Christian faith who would today be called Calvinists. Including all of the great OT guys.

@@musikhal23 Never heard of a Christian believer who suffered fatigue and tiredness over sound Biblical teaching, especially that coming from one Charles Haddon Spurgeon. Spurgeon would have been the first to tell you that he was not infallible and certainly he and his contemporary Pope Pius IX did not see eye to eye on that much. With that said, if you seriously want exegeted Bible quotes properly contexted, one of the really great sources is--wait for it--the sermons of--wait again--Charles Haddon Spurgeon. Some 3000 Spurgeon sermons survive. They are a wealth of sound Bible teaching. And remember that Spurgeon was a pulpit preacher, not a "full time" theologian like an Augustine or Calvin. Growing up in the Arminian Oort Cloud, as a kid I was unaware of the Arminian/Augustinian (more accurate term than Calvinist) debate. My Arminian Baptist preacher quoted Spurgeon all the time in sermons but I still did not learn who he was until I became Reformed in my theology. Anyway, regardless of Spurgeon's orientation, he is very Bible all the time. You can actually listen to his sermons on RU-vid read by more than one minister from Great Britain. You are welcome. God bless you.

@@martyroth2994 And neither did you or I. But we are commanded by the Great Commission to share the Word and Spurgeon does an enviable job of that as he faithfully adheres to the rightly divided Word of God. I speak of Spurgeon in the present tense as his Christian witness continuously shines forth after more than a century. This is where you and I should long to be a century from now.

@@martyroth2994 Nobody, including Spurgeon, you, or I would equate Arminianism or Calvinism with the Word of God. Systematic theologies, however, do expound on the truths found in Holy Scripture. Same with Bible teaching and preaching. One of the discoveries I made coming out of the Arminian cloud and into the daylight of Augustinianism (some call it Calvinism) is that Arminianism is nowhere to be found in the Bible while Reformed theology is seen on practically every page of Scripture. Today's Protestant churches especially are wrestling wih the Arminian/Augustinian debate. The more I hear both sides debate the more I realize that much of the problem is not the spiritual blindness of Arminians so much as their lack of education, especially when it comes to exegeting scripture. I speak from experience having been in the Arminian camp. Arminians bring a dose of humanism to interpreting the Bible. Again, I speak from experience. And one of the real fatal issues with Arminianism is that it did not exist until the time of Jacobus Arminius who lived some fifteen centuries after the Resurrection of our Lord. Early church fathers, and such giants of theology as Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas do not speak of it. Another issue with Arminianism is that there are folks who claim the name of Christ and are saved I believe, but who just cannot stomach the fact that the God of Creation would be that much in charge of His universe. They want God to "behave" according to their humanist inclinations. Hopefully, that is not your proclivity. Btw, all of the verses you list are verses that support basic Reformed theology. Just learn exegesis, not eisegesis. Big difference.

@@johnalbent Read the book of Ezekial. It's not inability it is rebellion.

theyre really arrogant and think they are the "christian supremacists"

Amen. They think free will means will our savingbour selves and makes God a servant to us and weak. When the opposite is true.

@@johnalbent the Holy spirit draws all men to him and free will a gift from God allows us to accept God's offer of salvation through faith another gift not of ourselves so we do not boast, or we stay in sin through unbelief and reject it and will be rewarded or cursed justly based on our decision. So God is not predetermining any one goes to help or heaven. But he knows the beginning from the end even do.

@@johnalbent correct!

Yeah they’re both there

@@0vercast7 Yep. The middle path.

No free will in Salvation

You're saying there'll be a few empty seats in heaven??

So think about. 1) if it were truly up to us to choose God we would choose the world over God each time 2) saying we have the capability as His creation to resist and choose whether we want to believe put us at His level, which is ridiculous we can’t resist His will period. God can do whatever whenever to whomever He wants. He can even pick and choose who He wants to be in Heaven and he’ll, he is a sovereign God and we are nothing more than His creation.

It sounds like you are saying that some men freely choose to crawl out of the pit of their sin on their own & then seek after God to choose Him. Yet that is totally refuted by the bible which tells us that we are DEAD in our trespasses, slaves to sin, that none of us are good or seek after God. It tells us that we must rely on the Father to draw us to Christ. I think the predestination issue is being used by satan to divide the church. I see more hatred & animosity between true believers in Christ on this topic then any other. If you and I both rely on Jesus Christ for salvation by grace through faith then we should embrace each other & agree to disagree on how we both got there! Welcome brother in Christ!

I used to believe that too, many years ago when I was an ignorant Christian, and did not understand God's Word in the Bible. The problem with that is it is not scriptural in the least. God 'Declares the end from the beginning, and the things not yet done, saying my counsel shall stand and I will do all my pleasure - Isaiah 46:10. In other words, it is God who has chosen the things that will happen upon His creation the Earth and the people in it, not man himself. Once I started studying the Bible in earnest and the Spirit began showing me what the scriptures mean, the Bible unfolded before me and I began to have understanding, to rightly divide the word of truth [2 Timothy 2:15]. Some of the most powerful verses about predestination according to God's will in salvation are found in Ephesians 1. He knew our names before the foundation of the world and predestined us to salvation by His own will. Not our will, but His. Remember what God told Moses which Paul quotes in Romans 9: Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth - Romans 9:18 Romans 9:15-23 shows us clearly by who's will we are saved, and it is also clearly written it is not by our own will, for Romans 3:11 states there are none that seek after God. The word 'none' means 'no one.' Therefore none of us can be the exception to that. This is extremely powerful scripture and once a person begins to understand it is not by our own will but by God's mercy upon us that we are saved, we then realize it is not about us at all, but about the will of the Almighty God and Father of us all.

God IS wisdom and knowledge. He doesn't "know" a thing. HE is the progenitor of it. HE is the CREATOR of it. He is the PANTOKRATOR, the ALL-FATHER-CREATOR. To lower Him down to the level of someone who can "see the future" is to truly not understand God's PREEMINENCE.

@@Red_Sector_7 Absolutely. Isn't it truly amazing what God does to His chosen ones when he calls them into salvific faith? I have heard the "word of God" preached throughout my entire life in various "churches" with ZERO understanding of ANY OF IT. It wasn't until HE, HIM ALONE, opened my eyes and GAVE ME SUPERNATURAL UNDERSTANDING of the writings that seem SO OBVIOUS now as to the TRUTH of His WEDDING ARRANGEMENTS for His Son.

@@ClickToPreview The moment God decided to make man He decieded every single puny humans fate every movement of molecules and every moment and instance that has and will ever happen in mans or angels history. Everything comes from Him. He cannot possibly leanr anything from us, and He cannot possibly learn anything ABOUT us.

Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed WHO LONG AGO WERE DESIGNATED FOR THIS CONDEMNATION, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. [Jude 3-4]. Need more Scriptural proof that God has "long ago designated" the wicked for condemnation? Your main problem, of course, is that you don't know how to biblically define "human libertarian free will"; in fact, no synergist does (even many Reformed/Calvinists unfortunately do not either). Questions? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*

God doesnt owe you or any puny human anything. Especially when you cannot accept Him becuase you are obsessed with yourself. Good luck forcing yourself on Him.

Lymer ignore the hateful Calvinistic comments. People do have free will and the choice to reject God and His Word.

Ryan Gallmeier they were not chosen to go to hell, but in context, God knows beforehand who believes and who doesn’t believe. Those who choose to reject Jesus Christ have brought condemnation on themeselves

Ryan Gallmeier context is important. How many times does God say He wants no one to perish but have everlasting life? Jesus says in John 3 that people are already condemned because of their unbelief in Him.

Slowly read your comment again...

@@jonathanhauhnar8434 I read it very sloooooooooooooooooooooooow. 😉

Don't you mean Advocate ? As in Jesus taking up for you before the Father? I can understand the misspelling. It happens with autocorrect.

@@bruceanthony3357 No...I meant Satan. Why do you need a Satan if you are chosen? I mean, why would he waste his time on a chosen person? Exactly, he wouldn't. 1 John 5:4-5: “For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world - our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?“.

@@rjcontra Satan, to the extent that any of this makes sense, would not know who is elect and who is not. God and Satan are not two equal opposing forces. But I start to worry we are both indulging in folly to put so fine a point on things.

Just because he picks the Bible over your theology does not mean the issue wasn't addressed. It means he rejected a teaching of man by what the Bible directly has to say about it.

@@kierstencreates958 yoiu dont know the bible. commenter is right cuz this pseudo pastor knows he is wrong and uses the worlds methods of not offending anybody to add to his mega church numbers

@@uncasunga1800 you can say I don't know the Bible, but I read it every single day. I'm almost through the entire thing. That is the fact, which makes your opinion wrong. And ask yourself, do you read it daily? Have you finished it or are you almost through with it yourself? Have you studied and analyzed it in context? Or do you just allow people to "teach" you? Don't tell me I don't know something I'm familiar with on a daily basis. & even when you do, you're wrong, which is what you're accusing of Greg Laurie. So maybe you should look inward instead of throwing accusations at other people friend.

@@uncasunga1800 the Bible directly says that God desires that all men would come to repentance. Sadly not everyone has or will. But that is clearly God's heart for people in scripture, no matter what any contradictory doctrine has to say about it. "Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?" -Ezekiel 33:11 "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." -2nd Peter 3:9

then allow me to propose a real challenge to Calvinism: the philosophical implications of predestination vs love. Being a Christian doesn't just mean you believe in God (we all know demons believe), but that you Love God. Love Him enough to follow Him. If you believe that God chooses who follows Him, and that we have no choice, you're saying that I have no choice in loving God. Love without choice is a logical contradiction, it can't be real. Try and think of an example in which forced love is genuine towards the one forcing you. If you are to genuinely love someone you must have the choice to not love them for it to be real. So how do you reconcile the idea that we never had a choice in becoming followers of God but also genuinely love God? Either we have freewill and choose to love God, or we don't have freewill and our love is false.

Totally agree! We must really dig deep to see the fallacy of it

But how do you know if you’re elect? If you aren’t saved yet, I have good new: you might be elect!! If done correctly, Calvinism doesn’t ruin the gospel because it doesn’t actually contradict choice. According to my understanding of Calvinism, anyone can turn to God at any time if they so choose. From human perspectives, this is completely unaffected, even though God planned it. Just because God predestined it, doesn’t mean our choice has been hindered, because we don’t know what God predestined yet.

Would you be willing to do a zoom discussion to discuss your stance on Arminianism and the alternative?

Read further down in Mark. He taught them as much as they CD understand.

Deborah Ruth Trotter, Calvinism is evil because it is a mixture of Biblical Truth and man-made Lies... But 'Election and predestination' is indeed Biblical, and God predestined some to be saved....and some to be cast to hell.... Jesus was indeed sent by the father Only for the Elect.....

@@reynaldodavid4755 you clearly have no idea what calvinsim is becuase you went on to describe its outcome hahahahahha

@@reynaldodavid4755 you are not old enough to drink in america are you hahaha

@@uncasunga1800, Sorry, I never been in America, and I never desire to go there...

@@uncasunga1800, Really ??? So explain to me what do you know about Calvinism....

well speaking in tongues is real because the Bible says so but churches who speak in tongues all the time with no interpretations are doing it wrong. U don’t have to know how to speak in tongues to be saved it’s one of the spiritual gifts. I would recommend a Calvary church because they are usually non-denominational and I agree with u that Calvinism is a false teaching because Gods will is that none should perish but that all should come to repentance

@Micah Burns yes I'm already following him and listening to him. Thanks dear

@@ciara78624 I wouldn't call Calvinism false. I think an extreme version of any belief is too much. I would say it's OK to be a soft Calvinist, meaning it could be true that we are predestined but we don't know who is in or out, so we must practice discipline and spread the gospel. The Shepherd is always testing his sheep 🐑

@@stevec9095 Um, if you label yourself anything other than a Christian, you’re already on the wrong path. When God looks at a Christian/unbeliever, he’ll look at them as one of those two, not Calvinist or Arminianist. Christians today get too caught up in the, “early church fathers” where they begin to mention John Calvin and Augustine even more than the men who wrote you your inspired word. A soft Calvinist is none the less a Calvinist, and God doesn’t even look at you as such on a spiritual level; why even waste your time

@@ciara78624 what you said is incorrect. Speaking in tongues does not always require an interpreter. The Speaking in tongues you are referencing that requires an interpreter is the operation of the GIFT of tongues and the GIFT of interpretation. Not everyone has this GIFT. The other tongues that require no interpretation are tongues that are available to every believer to use in prayer. Praying in tongues is for every believer. This tongue is given to every believer who has been baptized with the Holy Spirit, which is a SEPARATE event from the born-again salvation experience. The Born again salvation experience is when God regenerates your spirit to come into relationship with Him through His Spirit. This is reconciliation as a result of redemption. Being baptized with the Holy Spirit is empowerment for ministry. Baptism with the Holy Spirit activates specific gifts that have distributed to you by the Holy Spirit. Word of wisdom, word of knowledge, prophecy, etc. The initial evidence of baptism with the Holy Spirit is speaking in an unknown tongue. Baptism with the Holy Spirit and the distribution and operation of tongues is for every believer. This is NOT the GIFT of tongues, this is a personal prayer language operated by the Holy Spirit through your spirit. There are many who confuse the two events and argue that they are the same. If they were the same event you would be able to operate in gifts of the Spirit and speak in tongues when you became born again, but we do not see this as a reality. Those that argue that they are the same event do not function in any of the gifts of the Spirit nor do they speak in tongues, and they confuse the GIFT of tongues with one's personal prayer language. The bible is clear that we can and should pray in tongues and pray for a personal interpretation. The Gift of tongues is a completely separate manifestation of a Gift. The Gift of tongues functions during a christian assembly and instead of one speaking TO God in an unknown tongue, God is speaking TO His people and then Interpreting what has been spoken through a different believer who has the GIFT of interpretation of tongues. The prayer language is going up to God, the Gift is coming down from God.

How isn't God loving?

That's why Calvinism is blasphemy.

Well said! Calvinism is fatally wrong!

I've never heard proof of what you're saying. It makes sense on an emotional level, but if I try to prove that when God calls me, and I'm awakened to fall in love with his irresistible Grace, that that's not true love. Is there a logical argument we can put behind what you're saying?

@@stadler72 That is the thing and you just said the answer because Love is an emotional thing that necessarily requires Free Will. You believe that love is a choice made by the free will of people rather than something that is predetermined regardless of the neuroscience. You believe Love is a choice because homosexuals are freely choosing to enter foolish relationships. What makes the argument for free will logical is the fact relationships are fundamentally built on the free will of cognitive agents. You cannot have a relationship with an inanimate object that has no will of its own. You cannot have a relationship with a computer or a tv or a cup. You cannot have God choosing some people (elect) to give the irresistible grace because that would contradiction God's Omnibenevolence because Jesus explains that he even loves his enemies. There is no way that God is going to commit partiality to give some people the gift of salvation and others damnation. It is the calvinistic understanding of systematic theology that is completely wrong.

@@walnoemispoyt5604 thanks for the explanation. On my reading of scripture, Free Will contradict scripture directly. I don't trust my emotions over scripture. And I don't think the only two analogies are either a rock or free will. It seems reasonable and logical and biblical for God to awaken us to a genuine love for him that has to be triggered by him himself. But like you said, emotion is not always subject to reason. But that's exactly why I look for truth first. Because I don't believe that truth and love understood correctly have any contradictions. And I've had a lot of people talk about love at the expense of Truth only to find out they were just trying to sell me something.

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Amen

Would love to hear your exegesis on Acts 7:51

@@Mark-oo3om resisting the Holy Ghost was done by rejecting the message Stephen was preaching as the Holy Ghost was working through him. They weren't resisting some previenient grace by which they may be saved. By the way I don't agree with all the teachings in Calvinism. But I do affirm 3 of them as being foundational to the Gospel of Christ (Total Depravity, Unconditional Election and Perseverance of the Saints).

@@jasonharkness2992, Calvinism is a mixture of Biblical Truth and man-made Lies....It is more dangerous than Lies alone.... For instance the the Statement below which is the base of Calvinism is evil, because it contradicts the Character of God and Cannot be Supported by the Scriptures..... ''God arranges all things by His sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death, and are to glorify Him by their destruction.''

Creating people he knows will do wicked is not the same as creating people to do wicked.

Read Romans 9 and tell me what you think. God says He hates the wicked in the Psalms. Whomever gets saved is saved by God's grace alone.

@@thomashart3487 Pharaoh’s heart was purposefully hardened by the Will & purpose of God. What is your stance on this? This clearly speaks of double predestination. (Romans 9:15-23) “For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then *it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.* 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then *he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.* 19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-“

Darryl D. I would also like to expand upon John 12:32, which in the Greek, "men" or "people" in most translations is an addition. The Greek doesn't contain it. It simply reads, "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all to myself.” κἀγὼ ἐὰν ὑψωθῶ ἐκ τῆς γῆς, πάντας ἑλκύσω πρὸς ἐμαυτόν. πάντας doesn't have the article, and is not defined contextually. I believe I can make a strong case that those whom Jesus is referring to in John 12:32, is those whom the Father draws to the Son, because they both are referring to the resurrection which is "on the last day." In John 6:44, οὐδεὶς δύναται ἐλθεῖν πρός με ἐὰν μὴ ὁ πατὴρ ὁ πέμψας με ἑλκύσῃ αὐτόν, κἀγὼ ἀναστήσω αὐτὸν ἐν τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ. ἑλκύσῃ is a different form from John 12, but has the same root word, meaning "draw/drag" from John 6, and thus His purpose was to raise "all" whom the Father gave to Him, and thus those whom He "draws to himself" on the last day are "all" of those whom the Father has given to Him.

Dead on

"Free" as in choice...complete difference in the context of the use of the word here. Choice IS Biblical. Deuteronomy 30:19- "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live"

I feel that was a serious reach and really twisting Greg's use of the word "free" to try to support your own conclusion. He clearly wasn't saying what you said.

Mark Rogers Yes, man can not save himself only Christ Jesus can save them, yet God does not make us to be robots either. There are so many examples in God’s Word to those who have chosen Him or rejected Him. God sends the person to hell if that person chose to reject God and His grace. God did not make that person choose, they chose it on their own. Therefore, our Creator has given us a free will to choose or reject God. It’s completely Biblical and not part of works

@@kierstencreates958 amen, and so many Calvinists deny our free will to choose.. You have found the perfect verse 😇

I agree. He should not however try to destroy biblical doctrine’s

How can you teach a Gospel that you do not understand ..? Scripture warns about "presenting another Gospel" If you know NOT what is correct ..then why risk the possibility that YOU could be teaching "another" Gospel ..? Why risk being "accursed" on your ignorance

Both Calvinists and non Calvinists claim Spurgeon.

He misquoted Spurgeon. The quote from Spurgeon is on sovereignty and responsibility. Similar but different.

DLR 1 if you think Spurgeon was an inconsistent Calvinist you have obviously never read any of his work.

Classical reformed theology doesn't assert that God doesn't love all. Thats a common misunderstanding of Calvinism, many times by those who claim to be calvinists. Now, it's not the same love that is extended to the children of God but yes, he loves them. (Psalm 145:8-9, 15-16; Matt.5:44-45; Mark 10:21)

Dennis Parsons you have no credibility whatsoever, I don’t believe you have read what you claim, if you did you obviously paid no attention at all to what was said. You are blinded by willful ignorance. It is no novelty, then, that I am preaching; no new doctrine. I love to proclaim these strong old doctrines that are called by nickname Calvinism, but which are truly and verily the revealed truth of God as it is in Christ Jesus. By this truth I make my pilgrimage into the past, and as I go, I see father after father, confessor after confessor, martyr after martyr, standing up to shake hands with me . . . Taking these things to be the standard of my faith, I see the land of the ancients peopled with my brethren; I behold multitudes who confess the same as I do, and acknowledge that this is the religion of God's own church. (Spurgeon's Sovereign Grace Sermons, Still Waters Revival Books, p. 170). These are only 2 of many quotes by Spurgeon himself. Next time you decide to respond to something, please do your homework!!! I have my own opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel if we do not preach justification by faith without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing unchangeable eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross. (Charles Spurgeon, The New Park Street Pulpit, Vol. 1, 1856).

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He rejected "Double Predestination", not Calvinism.

Yes it is not what Calvinist teach nor even the people who actually teach total depravity.

Calvanists are haters..if they don't see you as a calvanist they cut off relationshup with you. They judge your spirituality and count themselves above everyone else and look down on you. It's a cult

@@tristen7085 wow, I’m so sorry you’ve met Calvinist who’ve made you feel this way, certainly it was the opposite for me. Nonetheless I’d ask you to read thickly into the doctrines of grace outside these sentiments and ask yourself if it’s biblical, which should be your priority, holding to biblical views regardless of your interaction with flawed humans just like me and you. Again, sorry you feel that way :( God bless you

It's been my experience by my son inlaw and my daughter. He is afraid of spiritual gifts, holy spirit all freedom in the spirit. His whole family have cut us off.

That's the root, yes, πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων, but it is "pas ho pisteuon" transliterated from the manuscripts. Soli Deo Gloria.

Can you provide the source for that. As Strongs does not reflect that interpretation

God doesn't need any of us to help him in salvation,He let's us be part of it by bringing His Gospel to the world.Some plant and some water,but IT'S GOD WHO GIVES THE INCREASE.If Arminianism were true the verse would read,SOME plant and some water,but it's God who GETS the increase.

God doesmt revolve around us! You have to be willfully ignorant to believe anything like that!

@@CBALLEN He made humans and the world for His own glory from befor e time. He is not affected by us at all He is immutable His heart is for us from the start or not. Those people have their reward.

@@uncasunga1800 I agree.

Is irrisistable grace hyper Calvinism? Because that's BS.

Man’s finite logic can’t fully reconcile the mind of God. He’s not at all like us limited, unholy sinners. It must therefore be both realities at work. How does work ? Don’t know. I can see His Will, His mercy and grace and my sin as I fall on my knees at the cross.

Predestination and mans responsibility are both taught in scripture. You can't throw out one teaching and keep the other.

@@45Nasman logic comes from the mind of God. He has made us in a way that we can understand His logic and worship (love) Him with our minds. He is not the author of confusion. If our thoughts on His character or actions violate sound logical truth we can be sure we have something wrong with our thinking.

@@sandramerimee6957 you are correct that they are both taught in scripture. But to understand those terms in a way that makes them completely contradictory is just lazy. We must first assume that God doesn't contradict Himself. We must not think that God predetermined some people to sin, without any ability to refrain from doing so, but also acknowledge that the Bible teaches that God doesn't even tempt man to sin. Both cannot be true.

God is sovereign over all things, or he is not God at all. Or at best he is a puny God. Man is responsible for all his choices and decisions in life. God has given man the ability to make choices, in that since we are free, even in our fallen state. We are not robots. So we have a will that makes choices. BUT God is infinitely more free, and if God chooses to interfere, or interrupt, or meddle with the will of man, he is free to do so. Lots of examples in scripture. The conversion of Saul the Pharisee is perhaps the best. Saul, known as Paul, he was on a a mission to destroy Christianity and Christians. That is the devil’s will, and that was Paul’s will. But Gods will smashed Paul’s free will and in an instant Paul is a Jesus follower, no longer a Jesus persecutor. God’s sovereign will trumps man’s will. once again, God is sovereign and man is responsible

Glory to GOD !!

It's contradictory if you have libertarian free will in mind. Man is free to choose but that freedom is limited by God's sovereignty.

That's a contradictory statement in itself. If man's will is limited, it isn't really free.

@@davemitchell116 there are different degrees of freedom just like there are different degrees of authority. No contradiction. Man's creaturely freedom cannot be equal to God's freedom. God does as he pleases and is not limited by anything or anyone.

Freedom is completely free or it's not really freedom. It's only something else disguised as freedom.

With all of the writing done on reformed theology it amazes me how few understand what Calvinism teaches. The traditions and presuppositions are always the same from the Arminian view point

@@TinkerPrepper we know VERY well what calcal teaches

@@JasonWeaver-qx5nx Why do you ArmArm's explain it it incorrectly EVERY time?

Can you tell someone that Christ died for them was buried, and rose from the dead, as a Calvinist knowing you believe most are predestined for hell??

@@tsapp2831 My statement to anyone is, if you trust in the saving work of Christ on the cross for your sinful acts to be washed away because of His sacrifice, then you will be saved. If you trust in your own works to get to heaven, you will be lost and cast into hell

That is NOT what 2 Peter 3:9 says. If we are to give the WHOLE counsel of God, let us quote that whole verse and not cherry-pick parts of it. It says: The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Who is the USWARD Peter speaks of? Go back to the first verse of 1:1 and he tells you -- Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to THEM that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: It is an epistle addressed to BELIEVERS, not the world at large. If it was the world at large, Peter would have said so. But he did not, he said to THEM who have obtained like precious faith in Jesus Christ. People do not seem to want to believe God for what He says, but rather substitute their OWN doctrine so that they might boast of themselves. I can boast of nothing but the cross of Christ.

@@Red_Sector_7 dude the Bible clearly says God wants everyone to be saved

@@Anthony-945 👍 he wants to complicate it.

@@Anthony-945 Correction. If we are to give the whole council of God, we need to quote an entire verse and not part of it. If you are referring to 2 Peter 3:9, that verse pertains to people who are already saved; it is for the Church. Note Peter says "usward" in that verse, which is the church. He does not say "all men", he says "usward". In verse 1:1 he tells us who the 'usward' are, and that is 'them who have achieved like precious faith...in Jesus Christ'. Also, if you happen to be referring to 1 Timothy 2:4, that Paul says Jesus would have 'all men to be saved', this is true because Jesus paid the penalty for the sins of the whole world. But keep in mind, Jesus also said in John 6:38 that He 'did not come to do mine own will; but the will of Him who sent me.' Therefore, we know that these verses perfectly jibe with what Jesus said in John 6:37, 6:39, 6:44 and 6:65. And that is -- 'NO man can come to me, unless the Father draw him'. Note how each one of those verses starts off. Also, Romans 9:15-23 show clearly that it is God who chooses; because Romans 3:11 says there are NONE that seek after God. Read the verses I quoted, without the rose-coloured glasses. Read them as God has willed them to be in the Bible.

@@sneijder023 I want to rightly divide the word of truth. I don't want your personal opinion anymore than you want mine, so READ the Bible instead of substituting your OWN doctrine. Show me ONE verses that says anywhere in the epistles of Paul that it is US that chooses salvation. You won't find it because it doesn't exist, yet Paul says MANY verses as does the Lord Himself, that you cannot be saved unless it is the will of the Father. The facts are -- we had free will to choose back in the garden. Adam was made by God's own hand, and he couldnt get it right. What make you think you could, being born dead in trespasses and sin, as Eph. 2:1 says?

@Timothy Pilipos Limited atonement is blasphemy. Jesus died for everyone.

@Timothy Pilipos I'm glad you agree! Join me in stopping this ill-advised venture at subtracting God's love.

you need to quit reading books, and read the bible

@@Mark-oo3om That's like saying don't listen to sermons and read the bible. Don't listen to Laurie and read the bible. Its good to read Chosen but Free and the response to that book The Potter's Freedom to get both perspectives.

@@Mark-oo3om What an empty meaningless comment and jab at someone to take. Just because someone disagrees with you, you assume they do not hold to scripture as their final authority? I'm sure he agrees that books are great supplements to better help explain certain concepts, but never replace the Bible. The Potter's Freedom is an excellent book from someone who holds to Sola scriptura, responding to An arminian's view (Norman Geisler) on human autonomous freewill. Whenever people laugh at other people for reading books and studying, it's usually because they are lacking in that department. Yes God gave us the Bible, but we are not an island of knowledge as he also gave us the church and spiritually wise men and women of God who can teach. I say read The Potter's freedom, then test it with scripture to see if what he is saying is true.

Corey Keast So you’re Reformed? Is there a specific passage that you found to be most convincing? God bless

Evan U John 6:44.

Corey Keast So what do you think Jesus meant in the next verse?.... Jhn 6: 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. In what way were they taught by God and who’s responsibility was it for them to learn? Would you agree that Jesus was speaking to people during a time when there was a judicial hardening placed upon them?..... Jhn 12: 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. Rom 11: 7 ¶ What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. Would you agree that Gentiles weren’t allowed into the new covenant until several years later? God bless

Yes that's true. I used to go there too.

If you were a leader in a reformed church would you let someone who is not reformed into leadership?

jim kraft yes and amen to everything you wrote. However, a Calvinist will answer that one can not believe without sovereign act of spiritual regeneration by the Holy Spirit in the heart of spiritually dead sinner.

For years I believed the Creed's I recited. However, only when God made me alive in Christ Jesus was I saved.

@@olegsoltis3305 Which in any straight forward reading of the bible it's clear regeneration does not precede faith .

I love these verses but what about the predestination verses? How do you make sense of them?

@@danig9071 Predestination = pre choose a destination before hand . So all those in Him ( Jesus ) are to be glorified at the end . Simple . We are not in him before we exist . Jesus is the only chosen / elected pre existing/ person before the foundation of the world. All those that become in him later are guaranteed ( predestined) future Glorification . Both Calvernism and Armianism get this wrong .

Yes, 'certain' sinners. Namely: repentant sinners. Sinners whom never would have had the notion to repent had they not been made conscious of their sin by conviction, after recognizing they had been elected to follow Christ.

@@JerynToney My point was to imply Christ died for all sinners. He is not willing that any should perish but that all come to repentance. In light of the scriptures literally, I'm in full agreement with Greg Laurie on this.

What I meant to imply was that Christ died for all sinners. As it is written God is not willing that any should perish but that all would come to repentance. He tasted death for every man. In light of the scriptures literally, I agree with Greg Laurie completely on this.

@@hbarwickjr He cherry picked 316, but neglected to draw attention to 317 which tells us Christ did not come to judge. If he did not come to judge, salvation was not the purpose of the crucifixion. Atonement was. That atonement was limited to 'whomesoever believed', and only those elected would believe, because man is totally depraved, as easily pointed out by various scriptures. John 318 explains that judgement has already been passed, which means predestination. John 316 doesn't mean anything on its own until it is illuminated by it's context, no matter how many bumpers it gets stuck to.

??? Good for him to deny God's nature? Really?

@@karacole2304 he's joking

I hope your elect.... if not...

@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s Who is that directed at?

LoL Flowers' ministry isn't even worth a hill of beans. He's not competent enough when it comes to reformed theology

Nah skip anything from Leighton. He's bitter and his positions are born from this disposition. Not very fair and off balance.

​@@jchan810Very true

@@jchan810 If you are really Christian who knows the formal definition of love then you shouldn't say this because you would be contradicting the 2nd Greatest Commandment. I don't support provisionism. Leighton Flowers emerged because of the heretical views of Calvinism. Humanity has free will. Calvinist and atheists share the commonality of rejecting free will. Hence a consistent Calvinist is consequently someone who accepts Fatalism. I am against Calvinism but I recognise that I must hear the other side to dismantle their arguments.

You were predestined to comment on multiple Calvinist videos. And be wrong. Woop woop

_All lives matter_ 21st century liberal Christianity is something else

@@choicemeatrandy6572 how bout it they wan t to spend eternity with hitler and stlain and goebbels and gacy et cetera likely will get that chance. amazing how God sends so many idiots with the dumbest self involved self glorifying charlatans to send these goats on tehir own path of "freedom" ignoring the actual bible like when it says o i dont k now "the truth will set you free" Not your enslaved will obviously hahahahahhahahaha

@@Keesha_Hardy What about the people who will never hear about Jesus in their entire lives? What happens to them?

John 17 9. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

I can relate.

If no view is the correct one then we have no hope of knowing truth and Christianity might as well be a scam. True, we can’t understand everything, but that isn’t an excuse to say that we “can’t know true views.” And yes there will be debate even if it is true. 2 Timothy 4:4 - “they will reject the truth.” Truth does not mean agreement among all men

@@rickmethven4374 im particularly talking about denominations or people or leaders, in a way are extremists to their doctrine, who claimed their take on certain view or perspective of the Bible to be truer than another. It no longer is the Gospel of God, it becomes the Gospel of Men when ones own idea or understanding comes into play.

@@rickmethven4374 i used to think all Christians have the same doctrine or teachings based on the Bible, until i know about Calvinism recently. Which opened me to a whole different Christianity divided by doctrines and teachings and the never ending debates. The Bible is perfect, the doctrines are not. In the end it really doesn't matter because Jesus promised to take us with him and not left any behind. Merry Christmas to you

This guy??? That’s enough to realize you are not one of the chosen ones. Check out Leighton Flowers on James White. That’s enough

That verse doesn’t support Calvinism

@MMM no it doesn’t 🤦‍♂️ surrender your doctrine to God, don’t rely on John Calvin for your doctrine.

@@Anthony-945 No one said it did. All he did was quote a verse, and it appears you don't like what it says.

Amen! very well said.

@Gabriel S I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, the unbeliever is blind. I love the Word of God, the unbeliever does not accept/CANNOT understand the things of God because they spiritually discerned, and they are foolishness to them (1 Cor 2:14). Since we are all fallen in Adam and no one seeks after God, If you believe and Christ is your Lord, you are chosen. Examine yourself --- do not trust in a "sinner's prayer," a "decision for Christ" or some other emotionally-driven tradition. Do you bear the fruit of a believer? Is God working in your life to better love the things God loves and hate the things He hates?......

@Gabriel S I think the better question to ask is did God choose you or did you have enough goodness in yourself to choose Him? When you repented and believed, after hearing the same Gospel message as your friends and others, what caused you to believe? Was it your own intuition? Were you smarter than those who didn't believe? 7. "because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for IT IS NOT EVEN ABLE TO DO SO, 8. and those who are in the flesh cannot please God." Romans 8:7‭-‬8 Would turning to Christ in repentance and faith be pleasing to God? If so, how can the unbeliever do that in light of Romans 8:8?

@Gabriel S Thanks for the verse brother! I have many arminian friends (I used to hold to all of the same views). I will never be divisive when speaking about "things too wonderful for me," but your view of how God saves his people really does affect almost every area of the Christian Life and is worth studying deeply to better appreciate the issues and power of God to save. When I explain why I pulled to the reformed view of salvation, I usually tell my friends it has to do with the glory of God. If you are sitting there believing that you deserved to have a chance, then you are boasting, as there are many people who have never heard or will never hear the name of Christ. What makes you more deserving? That's why we are to go out and preach the gospel, the means by which God chooses to use to draw His elect unto Himself, because we know what we really deserve as sinners. What is so amazing about a God who saves "pretty good" people? If you are truly in Christ, the bottom line is that you need to appreciate the fact that God called you out of the grave when you were dead in your trespasses and sins, did not have ears to hear or eyes to see, removed your heart of Stone and gave you a heart of flesh, raising you to spiritual life. He did it all from start to finish (He 12:2) and gets ALL of the glory. Sorry for the long winded response! But if you are truly in Christ, then I hope it is edifying brother!

Without debating the whole doctrine, I find a few issues with your logic. For starters, why does it take goodness to choose Him? Actually, He came for sinners and the most lost sinner would never say their goodness chose Christ? Secondly, I don't think that same sinner would believe they were more intuitive or smarter than their friends. The Word pierced their heart and they responded. Grace does that, right? Some don't respond, but they could. If God desires us "all" to be saved, yet we aren't all saved, then there must be something in man that must cooperate with The Word that produces faith and receives grace. This is pleasing to God. It doesn't make man special to receive a free gift. Love without a will to choose is not really love, is it?