Hi everyone ! I wanted to try a bit of a different type of video to talk about some post-release opinions on Changli, explaining things with both numbers, examples, and some silliness ~ what do you think? Would you like to see more of this? Any feedback is welcome :3 I figured that I have so many numbers and stuff to talk about, that I can definitely cover more topics outside the usual deep dive analysis.. ! Also EDIT: Encore / Sanhua / Verina comp should be knocked down to ~59.8K DPS (fixed an oversight in the longform rotation - this is now updated on the sheet as well). A good notch lower, but still higher theoretically than Changli comps... but, very close overall!
Yeah, I think this format works out pretty well. You might as well use all the numbers you have to their fullest and all. Seeing a 1-to-1 example of how they actually perform in the tower in particular vs what we already have available is just a nice way to help gauge whether or not it's worth spending the resources on whoever comes out. Plus it's a good excuse to see more editing from you. Your videos are fun to watch.
That's a lot of closer than originally shown, huh, Encore hyper carry still higher but I think I. The future with good supports that actually increase Resonance Skill, Changli can definitely catch up
It was so funny seeing how fast sentiment changed up when people realized they needed to actually learn something. Changli even if she isn't the best DPS wise or whatever is everything I want in a unit. She's still very very strong, she's fun, flashy, and beautiful; but more importantly there's variety to her gameplay and a few ways to play to her. Wuwa character kits are already promising to me and we're only 1 patch in.
This completely! For me its her flexibility and diversity and the fact that her combat is so fluid with so many choices! People underestimate how much that matters. Being able to just fly up without losing stamina to dodge an ability and then come back down without any rotation difference is amazing and she can use basically every damage type in some way. She can even be a support or carry depending on build and team! Genuinely she's my favourite character thus far and I'm glad I used every last pull I could find and finally got her lol
This is the main issue right now, we don't have a lot of varied support yet to make comps flourish. It's gonna take time before we can crush these fights. So for now, just collect these buff characters as their value will increase down the road.
@@Akantorz and what do you think will happen to Changli's value once pure buffer units are released? Especially when currently you can replace Changli with a lvl 1 Jianxin in one of her best team comps right now and still clear the same time. Verina is already incredibly strong with her 20% buff and she's a standard banner healer. Imagine how broken a pure buffer will be. That fancy new fusion dps might be best for Changli, but the opposite needn't be true.
@@kingsimba9513 Yes. but Jianxin buffs Liberation damage, now count how many characters buff Res skill damage..... Nobody, nobody buffs skill damage. Changli will pop off once someone can boost her skill damage and she can boost someone's Liberation+ Fusion.
@@Akantorz bruh, what good is Jianxin's liberation buff for Encore/Sanhua? It's a minor increase at best. The fact that Changli can be replaced so easily is not a great sign.
I agree with most of the comments that a lot of people are getting either hung up on her Outro Skill buff looking to either get it to maximize Encore or Chixia. In most cases you have more flexible rotations if you go for ~4 second field time Chixia swaps thrown in than you do with extended Encore swaps. There's also some really interesting tech out there using Yangyang to battery Changli to keep her Liberation skill available on cooldown though I imagine that she's heavily locked behind a lot of Sequences. By all means, she's not Jinzhi tier but I imagine that her teams have a lot of room to grow especially if we end up getting someone like Yinlin but Fusion in the future and a proper third Support alternative to Verina.
Yeah I was also thinking that Yangyang would be great for her since she already gives herself every stat she needs (Fusion and ATK%) so as long as you have your ult every rotation you pop off. Then you can invest in Crit and double Attack% 3s to round it off for a ton of damage! Or Attack% set with ATK% and Fusion 3s. She's got a lot of flexibility and variety that people are just now starting to tap into after going for the more obvious synergy (similar to Yinlin being tied to Calcharo early before people realized she had more potential).
7:57 "easiest boss right?" Fr though, it's supposed to be easiest because it isn''t threatening or aggresive, but at the same time we hate the bird movement pattern. It always dodge or delay.
i hated how with my rotation, the timing always works out so the bird flies right when i tap changli forte LOL like it's a punching bag sure... but sometimes it's a flying punching bag...
I tried Changli + Encore (both lvl 90) + Verina team vs ToA Heron lvl 100, and it's so funny for me that I got quite close clear time with duo Changli + Verina; full team avg 3 min 46s and the fastest is 3 min 53s, duo team avg 3 min 38s and the fastest is 3 min 41s. Tbh since I got her, I always using her to solo DPS or duo with Verina, maybe that is the reason I have skill issue when using her in full team 😂 Also, for me her dodge counter is more faster to get her forte compared to swap > intro, even when I have her full forte I can still dodge boss attack then > BA to enter TS state > HA > (Ulti if ready and HA) > finally BA to use that TS state and get one forte. Her dodge counter very rewarding. She's really good main DPS; easy and fun to play, very flexible and versatile, her combos very stylish, deal great DMG, and still has good potential in future updates. I'm having a blast!
yeah i agree i am bether if i use a single dps with a support , cos less swap and i get use to the patern of my character so i do less mistake or miss timed dodge lol.
Changli encore vs sanhua encore clear time is within 5 seconds of each other with optimal quickswaps, if you play without quickswapping encore and changli comp is a lot worse.
Changli is a main dps without a doubt even when we consider her outro skill. It's just that currently she does not have a dedicated support (taoqi who) like mort or sanhua who can boost her damage in the same way Jiyan and Encore does, so the current best way to use her is in a double dps comp or try to make her into a subdps even though her damage is too high to be in that subdps role. Let me put this another way, do you think that Jiyan on release will be rated as high as he is if mortefi or his outro skill never existed, or if encore does not have sanhua? Imagine if people rate them as a subpar dps simply because they don't have a dedicated support, that's the situation changli is in right now. Once they release an actual dedicated subdps that is competent(taoqi who) for changli, then we'll probably see her damage surpass most dps in the game (hopefully). Of course there are people who are gonna call her bad just because she deals less damage than jinhsi (wow imagine that), but that's a good thing. Coming from a Changli simp himself.
her multipliers are less than other main dps and she requires constant swap cancels to do dmg that is even close. She is some form of hybrid between main dps and subdps. She shines in AOE against mobs cos then her dmg is enough for faster clear. Is she a bad unit - no. is her playstyle fun - mostly. I think it is healthy for the game to have strong units every few patches but most units should be mid or niche.
how can she be a main dps if her multipliers are lower than jiyan or jinhsi? how can she be a main dps if you need to cancel everything for decent dmg all to end up buffing the next unit, she's a co-op dps and she is fun af but there's a flame dps waiting to make her his/her sub dps.
@@NicoStillo low multipliers does not mean a unit has dogshit dps, you also need to take into account how often they are able to access that multiplier. While changli's multipliers are not that high, she is able to consistently access them through her 3 different true sight attacks. Compared to jiyan for example, where the bulk of his damage and multipliers are concentrated into his ult duration and outside of it his damage is subpar, or even jinhsi where the bulk of her multiplier is in her big blast and ult, changli's damage is not constrained into any ult duration as she basically has permanent damage uptime and it's quite easy to get true sight attacks (if you know how to dodge and use intro skills), so her low multiplier is balanced by the fact that she can access that multiplier consistently. Also, having to cancel animations does not make her bad, it simply means that you have to use your hands once in a while instead of just spamming buttons.
@@NicoStillo you don't really need swap cancel, just simply dodge cancel is more than enough. If doubt her capability in being main dps, there are CCs who use Changli S0R1 clear bosses in ToA, solo even, it's faster to see it for yourself.
Gotta love the sweaty button mashing, good to know I'm not the only 1 trying to make her work. Imo all she needs is another character with a similar gameplay and a passive (off-field) healer.
Great Video, I love the amount of effort you put into making them work and trying unorthodox builds while also comparing the numbers! The style and pacing were great too and comfy :D Wanted to chime in with some of my own findings as well. I've been meaning to make videos but they'll get made eventually hopefully.. ANYWAYS In my view, this is actually by design atleast in my view. Basically the most efficient team and the cookie cutter "best" team is always 5pc Element Main Carry - ER Set with Heron - Healing set with Turtle. Dual carry setups like Encore Changli are only better at high investment (as you said) as they both have to deliver certain amounts of damage to make up for the support buff and you essentially have to roll and farm for both. The most efficient strategy is to prioritize one and pair them with whatever support with ER makes the most sense. If you have no ER YangYang makes sense for both but otherwise a Deepen support. Changli's buff is amazing for Encore but the reason Changli feels as tho she's not helping enough is because as a support she'd want Heron ER to finish her buff. The Sanhua team performed better because it had: Basic Deepen, All% Deepen (Verina), Heron Buff, Heal Buff, Turtle Buff, AND ER buff. These add up to a LOT and essentially a Changli whose dual DPSing NEEDS to be built higher than the effects of those buffs if not going ER Set. This also all happens at essentially 0 investment so with investment the value is huge! (And saves you Tuners!) Having Inferno Rider on both also can be rough as its a clunky Echo in rotation. Attack set tends to be better for Encore with her Outro skill being so much of her damage and thats when the rotation gets juicy as your time consuming on is on Changli and then as soon as you're on Encore its instant and just go go go. She also gets buffed Fusion AND Attack% AND Liberation in this way. Another thing is imo if your Changli isn't really built yet you're better off playing Dual Carry with ER set and giving it to someone else later. ATK% or Fusion + an ER to always have ult. This allows her to not need to bear the wait of essentially half the team damage without a team buff but rather do a good amount and then make your Encore a god. You hit on this in your video as well so just restating here for anyone else reading comments. It was a good exploration tho and a very nice conversation style of teaching it tho so I do appreciate how you structured your video! In my opinion its likely always ER set unless she's your hyper carry. Changli Main DPS in this way has been pretty great! She also has so much ATK% and Fusion in her set that ER Set really isn't that big of a DPS loss. EDIT: I'd love to see (even in a reply what numbers you got with Changli on an ER Set + Heron combo if you have one to swap on (like Moretti's).
Her dmg is good enough for me; I'm having so much fun with her playstyle. Controlling my pulls whenever I tried Jinhsi in the illusive realm paid off. I wanted her so bad, but I love Changli more. She's currently maxed out, and helped me clear all levels of the holograms. now I'm just growing other characters for toa. Still one-pulling for at least a sequence; (lost all my 50/50s to encore too, now she's S2, so yeah)
Right now Changli is lacking proper options in both gearing and team building. She right now feels more like a long-term investment. Right now her only option for a 4 cost echo is Inferno rider. Its animations are extremely unsynergetic with her playstyle and it buffs basic attack damage. Also we have no teammate that makes good use of her fusion damage and liberation damage bonus both. I'm expecting Changli to be much stronger once either of these change.
I'm more in opinion changli are main DPS with SOME abilities to let her being sub DPS/support. the problem are some ppl forcing her being sub DPS only when there no BIS for her yet other than chixia where most ppl didnt build her
Yep people are hard forcing Encore as her pair when there's Chixia with their up time matching perfectly. W/ Changli, Chixia's total liberation damage goes up 100k+ that has a 100% uptime together with Changli's liberation, with just enough ER and proper quickswap rotation.
Pulled her knowing she wont be as strong as jinhsi. She is still by far the best character for me for overworld exploration even with jiyan.and jinhsi. Mine is S0r0 (EOG), JiyanS0R1, Jinhsi S0R0 i just use Changli, S6 Chixia, Verina. Surprisingly my jiyan cleared F4 with S6 Mort and Baizhi. Up main dps to 90, up skills to lvl 10, the huge dmg boost makes the floors pretty easy. Hope no powercreep hp for nxt reset though.
At least she hot and has satisfying gameplay, in the future, there will have more dps choice and the old dps can be go down, then if all the old dps go down. What things will make we play again there old character!? With me, it will be the satisfying gameplay/ animation skills/ design, make me feel interesting while playing them
You just made me really, really sad. I benched an S5 Sanhua to spend 200+ wishes on S0R1 Changli to team with Encore.....no wonder she felt very underwhelming
Next time check more calculations Sanhua is perfect for Encore n calculations showed before that changli+Encore is just tiny bit better But changli will shine, but not with Encore Encore is at the end of her potential, she sits on perfect Echo, very good weapon n almost perfect team
I actuaally like her playstyle. Whenever i fight bosses. I max out her Gauge and Special Skill. I pop the buffs first that comes from Verina. Switch to her, pop the gauge, then the special skill which will automatically fill up the gauge, then pop the gauge again. What's good about it is not only it takes a good chunk of HP, from 70%-40% left, it also takes out a good chunk of the Stun Bar and can even strip it out completely leaving them vulnerable. You either switch character or just let her fill up her gauge meter and her special skill to release it all again when bosses gains composure. I actually main her even when i have Jinhsi. Takes me a good hour to get her kit but sh's fun to use.
I feel like Chixia is a better pair with Changli than Encore. Nothing wrong with Encore, but since Encore-Sanhua performs better than Encore-Changli, I figured a better case-study would be Chixia-Changli, though I can understand that building up yet another character is not the most f2p-friendly investment. Nevertheless - Maygi content is always desireable content
No doubt about that one, I just haven't built my Chixia yet (still too poor to flesh out my Changli herself haha), so I can't exactly test the rotations yet (and I've just been.. busy, to optimize a character who I haven't played yet), but I still do want to run numbers on her when I can!
@@kingsimba9513 huh? No. By that logic sanhua value will also go down whose buff expired by swap. The point of selling universal flexible buffer, is to replace verina in any team that want her in 3rd filling spot so we can use Verina in other team.
@@arahaitham123 maygi's own changli build isn't optimal but the calc shown onscreen takes into consideration that the changli is in her optimal build. I thought this was pretty obvious enough.
Hey Maygi, have you tried Changli as a main DPS? I love how you explain everything in such details in your video, but I don't think Changli is made to be used as a sub dps, even tho her outro skill is a team buff I think using her with Encore or Chixia will always feel like a sidegrade, because they are both DPS that need on field time, and Changli needs a pretty long on field time too... I'm using my Changli as a main DPS with Verina and Sanhua, and to be honest she's clearing ToA faster than my Jihnsi (which is considered the most broken DPS so far), and my Changli doesn't even have her BiS weapon while Jihnsi does. I'd suggest you try it after building her up (she really depends on lvl 8+ talents to deal dmg) and maybe it will give you another perspective. Also I don't think she's powercreeping Encore by any means, I just think she's a very strong DPS on her own and not supposed to be used as a sub
Would it be possible for Changli to get a partner DPS that would get her to surpass Sanhua and Encore? Like if the DPS could take full advantage of her outro, be more of a intro-burst-outro swap playstyle (like Jinhsi) instead of quick swap, and buff Changli? While Changli has a lot of swap cancels, I worry the time saved from cancels could be less valuable than two good outro buffs. And Changli could do a rotation around her skill cooldown, like DPS outro to intro True Sight > 2 skills and 2 TS > Verina swap and max Concerto for Changli intro TS > Forte Ult Forte > DPS intro.
Funnily enough, she'd work really well with another character just like herself. Imagine how fun it would be to just have a quickswap dance between two characters, pumping out huge bursts in between... her Outro is really a bit awkward, though, because it completely goes against her playstyle, but I imagine if there existed a copy of Changli, the optimal DPS would involve largely ignoring the full duration of the Outro and just using it for burst and then continuing quickswapping :3
I thought she was amazing when she first released and I still think she's amazing. Never felt mid, even prior to lv 90. Soloed Scar in TOA and speedran Illusive Realm V as soon as I reached ul60. Her looks are top tier too.
@@kingsimba9513 wow you're still justifying to yourself the fact that you can't pull for her huh mr. "I invested all my valuable resources to a character that I know that would be powercrept by a 4 star months from now according to my own logic" hahaha you thought people would forget about you? hahaha
@@mostpolitebot1464 But he is not wrong. The evidence shows that Changli in terms of damage (multipliers etc.) is on the same level as Encore, a standard banner unit. This is why it doesn't matter if you use one of them alone or both in combination. It's the same dps. Maybe we will eventually get a unit that works well with her but let's be honest: All that quick swapping is just too much work for damage that other units provide with one button.
@@fullvoid6663 doesn't change the fact that the dude is still dedicating his life on shitting on anyone who likes the character on EVERY Changli video... with the exception of the channels where he got clowned on . Ohhh wait are you the same as him? man that's rough
@@mostpolitebot1464 Whats like or dislike got to do with anything? This is about the numbers. If you like a character just pull, who cares. But the moment you talk about numbers, keep emotions (simping) out of it. Also, I pulled Changli and was disappointed. Maygi's video perfectly explains why.
Thank you for this Maygi, Interesting story, I was actually almost going to pull changli for my encore the other day, but I saw ur post in the encore mains discord, I knew this video was coming. I'm glad to know that I can still use my Sanhua for encore and its still bis and i can save my pulls. Ur goated actually, u have no idea how many people are saying changli is BIS for encore and I almost folded.
@@joaquinchua3348 yeah, she's not gonna be BiS for any future fusion dps either once Kuro releases a pure buffer units. Imagine a non healer limited Verina. They'd be cracked out.
I think she's still BIS for Encore BUT Encore as a unit has many options. Having options for Tower is also really useful. The key here is what they both have built and what the goal is. If you do Encore 5pc ATK% Set and Changli ER Set with Heron with either healer your Encore is to the moon as her Outro will chunk and 25% Fusion is pretty nuts as long as you have the stats to back it up. I don't think any unit is really must pull in this game after you get one of each damage type Deepen however I do think she's VERY good and worthy of being a 5* Deepen! Her buff is good enough that it makes it worth to run a less optimal in most cases dual carry comp which is very rare in Wuthering.
@@kingsimba9513 I've mentioned this in a more indepth comment but I'll mention here again. Maygi's calcs were useful yeah but there are a few factors missing here. Sanhua I assume has the ER set while Changli has Fusion. When you spec into an element set its entirely fueled by your stats and the character is essentially selfish. Deepens also multiply POST calcs. The fact that they were so close is amazing. If you in this comp have Changli on Heron ER the story likely changes. Now Encore isn't LOSING buffs which Changli has to compensate for. She's only gaining a likely stronger buff while Changli also gets to just do her thing. Also, having an Attack% set on Encore would aid the damage and the Outro skill is a huge part of her kit. Maygi did great in explaining and showing the differences but she also mentioned the key here: Dual Carry comps require dual FULL investment. If your Dual carries aren't both invested into enough a support set holder will do more. So at high investments the team as it is *would* go further. Likely the Deepen from Sanhua is only part of the DPS loss and its more likely Heron + ER Set Attack buff. Fusion Buff for Encore is arguably better as she uses all damage types.
If another QS DPS that can use her Outro buff for 10s and has a ton of QS and a persisting team Outro buff then she'll be even better. Also a better teamwide buffer.
Going by that definition doesn’t make every dps basically a sub dps since ideally you always want to minimise field time? Jinhsi wants to stay on just to do E and ult, but it’d be wild to categorise her as a sub dps, ultimately I think it’s the label that is annoyingly reductive, personally I find her performance awesome as my main dps which will likely not change tho if they have us a nice ult bot with fusion/skill outro dmg I’d probably add it to her team
Ironically Changli banner made me build my Encore. I had prefarmed a perfect Fusion set, but then I decided I didn't want Changli anymore but I was like well I don't want to waste this great set. So then I built my Encore, I already had Sanhua built and raised and they have been slapping in TOA :) Edit* I don't know if you have seen the YangYang/Changli team that's been circulating around CN, using her as a main dps. Is there any viability to this?
Most ppl(me too lel) are just mot good enough to pull out her potential U can see some small yter with impressive results n they also compare that to sanhua, changli with chixia is faster So is chixia better than Encore? No bit she fits better to changli n encore ar have the perfect buffer with sanhua Encore + changli is just a tiny bit faster than encore+sanhua but like i said... Chixia n changli is the fastet team n thats shows, that changli will be very good if a limited 5* with the dmg Windows of chixia release
Changli is not ready for primetime and is simply outshined by Jihnsi by a mile. If you're a whale, and prefer mommies, sure get her. But if you're F2P, Jihnsi is a hundred times better.
Others: character swap cancel and rotations me: dodge cancel and go ham with all the true sights I would advocate people to play the style that suit them best, if you want comfortable play style then just go with that and don’t be ashamed about it, characters like Changli don’t work for you because her style is meant to be aggressive to be effective. And I spot the doomposting guys, to those guys, go doompost at the CCs who play Changli as main dps. Don’t dare? Can only go after the weak gullible ones after already went to the Changli enjoyers and get told “skill issue”? That’s pathetic.
i think thats the worst scenario, skipping jihnsi for changli, thats rough, not because changli is bad in general, but comparing to jihnsi is not even close, jihnsi is the best dps right now, but the good thing to make u feel better is that wuwa is not HSR, u dont need an OP char that much, good chars are more than enough.
Good video. I think it is going to take a while for all of the Changli fanatics to calm down and see the reality of things. Me, I pulled her, tried playing her as main-Dps, tried her with Encore, settled for H-Rover. Overall I am disappointed. She is an entire rank below Jinhsi. Will a dedicated second DPS help? I doubt it. There is only so much you can do with mediocre multipliers and a bunch of sweaty quick-swap windows.
1000% agree, other than her artwork Changli was such a disappointment to me -- this is coming from someone who saved every astrite and wish since day 1, used some to s0r1 Jinhsi and then went on to this utterly underwhelming unit. She's been fun enough in overworld content, but I benched an S5 Sanhua to pull her for my Encore team and feel like an idiot
@@stargazer-cb No idea what expectations you had. If you were saving since day 1, then you didn't even know her kit, so it's your own fault for being disappointed. She's perfectly fine as is. Does she do as much dmg as Jinshi? Hell no, but it's enough to clear ToA with more than enough time to spare. She's fun to play, she's hot, and she's decent enough. Seems like rather than pulling her for her character, you pulled cause you thought she was gonna be busted, otherwise you wouldn't be calling her "utterly underwhelming unit" or that you felt stupid for pulling her to bench Sanhua. In which case you should wait for people to try her out first, otherwise you're gonna end up disappointed again.
with Encore i could not win Scar in tower, too much dmg. with Changli i finished Scar with 2 points. she`s flying and takes less dmg, that is not accounted in calcs
the problem is that there is a lot of talking about quick-swap, teams building, good synergy a so on while after hitting level 90 you do not need all of these sweaty things at all, you just give good echoes to 1 dps and it clears whole side of tower with the help of any other characters who can trigger support sets or even without any help
Considering most people who play gacha games pull for character design more than power, Changli is not just good, but the best character Kuro has yet released. Animation budget alone puts her objectively head and shoulders above everyone else in the game.
Have you ever tried playing the dual or triple dps rotation? Her value is in the middle of being main dps and sub dps, most people who complain about her only ever play the good ol quick swap rotation of holy trinity
@@kingsimba9513 She is a good unit? What do people even fucking expect lol. I was able to clear ToA with her, and on second floor of tower of Hazar, she cleared with time to spare. If that's not enough to be a good unit, then you all just want to oneshot enemies.
@@Shack2223 I don't expect her to be Jinhsi tier, but there's a pretty big fking gap between that and having 36% lower skill multipliers than Encore, WHO SCALES OFF OF BASIC ATTACKS. Not to mention that by being a standard character, Encore is LITERALLY made to be powercrept. Gg changli was the standard character all along!
Idk, I feel like Changli is a main DPS that just happens to have an Outro that Buffs the next character... Sub DPS's either have the ability to generate concerto really fast, like Mortefi and Sanhua, or deal damage off-field, like Mortefi and Yinlin... at least I hope to be able to keep her that way since her gameplay is lit 🔥❤🔥🔥
Where does it say Changli is a sub dps? If that's the case then I guess Jinhsi is a sub dps too but what's even crazier is that Changli is on field far longer than Jinhsi...
That's just how she optimally plays! When quickswapping, you can get her whole combo off in around 6 seconds of field time; however, giving her any additional field time on top of that will yield in much lower DPS (without having more Intro or skill casts available, she has to build up stacks manually). In this example, if you double the field time you give to Changli, you'll only add a very small amount of damage onto the burst she puts out in the first 6. If you were to, say, restrict Encore to 6 seconds of field time, then between her Intro and Echo, she'd hardly get any time to use her Liberation; giving her double the field time would easily double her output (if not more) due to how she needs field time to do her damage - hence, main DPS. But, that's not to say that you can't play Changli as a main DPS; people have also soloed floors with Yinlin and Jinhsi, despite the fact that their "downtime" DPS is much lower than their peak DPS - they're just strong units overall.
It’s probably not written anywhere but “objective main dps” in the game share 1 characteristic, “outro does dmg”, and then there is “subjective main dps” which is what we’re using to debate Edit: oh and even “sub dps” is subjective as well, though I don’t use either Chixia or Encore but Chixia S1 is a better pair with Changli than Encore I believe the best play style for Changli is not the quick swap rotation to buff 1 main dps but to treat your whole team as main dps and have them take turn on field
Yes n everyone should knew that, she is a lot mechanic n thanks to kuro that they release such units Ppl who like calcharo have a blast with changli, also they are very strong together cz of same playstyle
@@Nesteayy :0 i really like both of them but this is a thing that made me move out from calcharo to focus on other simpler units cause when you wave a large ping it can be quite hard to pull off, doesn't playing her with chixia make it simpler?
this reminds me of a comment i saw comparing changli and calcharo in how they both have a high skill requirement for rotations and casual players might get better results from just slotting in an easier to play character who does the same DPS or utility like with the jianxin example xD
Yea, I have big problem with teams for this one. In other games there are clear support characters - like Lin, Nemesis, Fischl, Bennet, but here everyone is on field DPS.
FFS!! why didnt u realease this video yesterday?!? i just got her last night lol.... doing singles everyday since my pulls went out!! the silverline is i dndt spent money and got E4 mortefi pulling on her banner, at least is something... i guess
WuWa isn't my main Gacha, so I'm definitely very selective with my pulls because, while I am willing to spend on it, I definitely do not want to spend as much on the game as I do in HSR. For me, I'm only willing to pull on WuWa characters that are definitely OP as hell (especially supports), regardless of the skill factor needed to play the character. Like Acheron-Level/Jinhsi-Level characters. If my understanding is correct, Jinhsi is simply the better character over Changli, regardless of how well you play Changli. That's why I pulled her and not Changli. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong of course. I definitely would pull Changli and her weapon before her banner ends if I am wrong.
Brother it has nearly not been long enough to judge who's better(in the sense of future strength) BC we have no idea on the direction of the game. No matter u pick Jinhsi or Changli ur throwing a stone blind and praying to hit.
I think you are correct overall, especially considering whatever few things we have heard about Zhezhi, Jinhshi is the better pull for atleast a few versions to come
As a changli puller, I'm huffing mad copium. She currently has no team that outperforms any Encore team, while also needing lots of skill to use. I really dont know how they are gonna make new characters that Changli can synergise with, that would outperform Encore. But I'm still hopeful of a future where she actually works well in a team because her niche is new. If a new fusion ult dmg burst character releases that can also buff changli, she would become really useful. But she would still need that fusion ult dmg character to do a LOT of ult dmg to be useful.
@@arkabarma3286 It’s pretty much agreed upon that Jinhsi is an easy to play literal nuke DPS compared to the other DPS’s before Changli came out. Couple that with Zhezhi’s release, it is safe to say that Jinhsi is a safe pull. I can’t say the same for Changli. Before she even came out, people were saying things like “Oh, she needs a skilled player to do well” which is fine, but I never once heard something like “Changli does more damage than/same damage as Jinhsi as long as you play her right”. That really is all that matters. Besides, it’s important for these characters to demonstrate value their now than later. Especially for DPS characters. If they’re not at their best now, then it’s reasonable for people to skip and wait for the next “Jinhsi” DPS rather than to bet a character will get better over time. It’s not my first rodeo playing a gacha.
11k ? my changli do over 40k with her liberation and she is s0, lv 80, talent lv 7 and bad substats. maybe i miss understood your coment or you misstype your dmg liberation ...🤔
@@kithicide Maygi literally proved that you could swap her for a lvl 1 Jianxin and still get the same results. Changli isn't mid, she's just straight up bad lol.
@@kingsimba9513u are so cringe Hating changli everywhere Is it because u dont like big boobis or girls in general? Idk what is wrong with u but smth is very wrong with u
Changli just has insanely low multiplers for a 5 star limited dps. Even Encore's skill has 36% higher scaling and a 2s shorter cooldown, all while being a basic-attack focused unit. Yes, Changli has 2 charges, but that only affects the 1st rotation. People keep saying that she needs her ideal teammate, but the second an op pure buffer is released, Changli's value plummets. That new fusion dps might be best for Changli, but the opposite needn't be true. Multipliers are permanent, and will only go up with time. New buffers need to be incredibly niche or plain bad to warrant putting Changli in over them. Never cook again Kuro.
this is copium, but she COULD work. If a fusion ult dmg burst dps comes out with a buff outro, Changli should be BiS. There just arent enough characters in wuwa for this type of team to exist yet.
@@kuratse205 How can you say cope when you can replace Changli with a lvl 0 Jianxin in one of her best team comps right now and still clear the same time. Before watching the vid, I did think she was a bit weak, but not garbage tier as Maygi has shown lol. Verina is already incredibly strong with her 20% buff and she's a standard banner healer. Imagine how broken a pure buffer will be. Once they release, Changli will never be BiS again on any team.
@@kingsimba9513 I'm saying that MY cope is that she could work. In the Encore Sanhua Changli scenario, Sanhua does very little, only providing rejuv and only giving Changli the basic amp outro. There is very little benefit to this since Changli's basic output is absolutely terrible. By replacing Changli with Jianxin rejuv, you are able to reshift the uptime all back to Encore (60% encore uptime -> 83% encore uptime) and allow Sanhua to go moonlit and buff Encore's 48.8% basic output. En, Ch, Sa: Rejuv + 38% basic amp on Changli, 20% fusion amp on Encore (60% Encore uptime, 30% Changli uptime). En, Sa, Ji: Rejuv + 38% basic amp on Encore (83% Encore uptime). The main problem with Encore Changli is that Changli takes too much uptime for an outro buff that is roughly equal to Sanhua's outro. It basically costed 23% Encore uptime and Sanhua's outro + moonlit set for Changli's on field dmg and outro. Encore Changli Sanhua is just an overcooked comp. It makes Sanhua redundant (wasted outro and 6.3% uptime).
@@kuratse205 dude you're talking to someone who shits on Changli ever since release on every Changli video out there haha it's useless to try and reason with someone who's really dedicated like this person haha btw this dude also conveniently ducks on Rexlent and Wallenstein videos ever since he got clowned on the comment section hahaha
